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Accurate reporting is also important.
Case in point: On every news article that Hal Turner posts, he includes the lines about the perpetrators being 'deranged Jews' and shouting 'We killed Christ, we'll kill you too.' This is completely counterproductive. While using 'information management' tactics can work in some cases, if 'wolf' is cried to long and too often, you will lose all credibility. Sure...the MSM is stacked against us, but 'true sources' are hard to refute even by the hardest core of the MSM. Being a credible and citeable source is extremely important. There's enough REAL news out there that can be published without 'making' our own and sensationalizing every single headline to make it appear to be part of some worldwide Jewish cabal. There's plenty of REAL coverups and conspiracy out there...and there's plenty of cases of only HALF the story being published because the other half isn't deemed 'kosher' to print or broadcast. It's OUR job to be a clearing house and repository for the cold and honest TRUTH instead of being a 'bullshit generator' and completely undermining any credibility that we may have. Sources like Worldnet Daily didn't just appear in the MSM overnight. After hundreds and hundreds of posted news, they slowly became a trusted source after establishing a recognized base of truth and showing true standards of journalism. Let the news make itzelf. Itz coming.
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The more hard core approach has been tried and failed also. It is going to come down to a matter of circumstance. Not much of anything is going to change as a result of what we do or don't do, it is going to result from what is being done to us. All we can honestly do at this point is to be accessable to people as they continue to get more and more fed up. We definitely cannot afford to scare them away, however.
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I think EAU is going to get people who otherwise would have had nothing to do with White organizing. Being part of an org that is not hard core, they will follow the same news that VNN follows, and probably get radicalized all the same. The Amrenners are radicalized -- look at the comment threads under the articles. They are radicalized but not organized. THat's the next step. Remember -- Trotsky said that racialist movements originate from the petit bourgeouis. That's the pool we want to draw from. |
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1) From what I have seen, there are several ex-NA and ex-NV folks as members...of course, any organization can say that nowadays because of how prolific the NA and NV once were. From my understanding and what I've seen, it is NOT the next step in the evolution of those two orgs. It's something else entirely. 2) If you're implying that it's a 'SF org,' it is not. Hell, even I still have a SF account. The core membership and BoD have nothing to do with SF, and when the organization was formed, the original members that formed it had about two dusty SF accounts between everyone involved. Since its inception, I'm sure that many SF members have joined (as well as VNNers, etc etc etc) Again, this is based off of my personal knowledge, but due to some personal issues since the Kalamazoo rally, I haven't had a lot of one/one contact lately with the organization. (This will change in the near future.) I can tell you this, though - though there are some folks at SF I like and have no issue with, I can't knowingly support an org with members of the 'SF Ruling Class' in majority positions of authority.
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Petit-bourgeoisie (or petty bourgeois through folk etymology) is a French term that originally referred to the members of the lower middle social-classes in the 18th and early 19th centuries. Starting from the mid-19th century, the term was used by Karl Marx and Marxist theorists to refer to a social class that included shop-keepers and professionals. Though distinct from the ordinary working class and the lumpenproletariat, who rely entirely on the sale of their labor-power for survival, the petty is different from the haute bourgeoisie, or capitalist class, who own the means of production and buy the labor-power of others to work it. Though the petty bourgeois do buy the labor power of others, in contrast to the bourgeoisie they typically work alongside their own employees; and although they generally own their own businesses, they do not own a controlling share of the means of production. In modern usage petite bourgeoisie, a class that lies between the workingmen and the capitalists, is often used to refer to the to consumption habits and tastes of the middle class. (end definiton) It has been my experience that racial awareness and sucess in business are inversely opposite. Those lawyers and such I have spoken to are more concerned with their stock portfolios which produce better bottom lines when they employ Mexicans. Since they also have more to lose, they are far less likely to endanger their well-being. They have a summer home, an SUV and Acura in the driveway and their kids go to private school, and they lack any courage whatsoever. If you had said the proliteriat or had said that you were referring to: "Petit-bourgeoisie (or petty bourgeois through folk etymology) is a French term that originally referred to the members of the lower middle social-classes in the 18th and early 19th centuries." I would have agreed with you. In order to avoid confusion in the future, may I borrow a quote from my fellow Philadelphian, Joey Vento, owner of Geno's Steaks, "This is America, when ordering, speak English."
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We have to build something real, and those who have a summer home are too rich to bother, and those who live beer bottle to mouth don't have the initiative to build something real. But the people in between, the lower middle class, who get up every day and try to advance themselves and their families, those are the people we need to recruit. I guess you could call us "lower middle class." It's going to be more difficult to build a physical infrastructure with people who use the rhetoric of violence. Why? Because using the rhetoric of violence gives the police an official justification to infiltrate/disrupt etc. It also helps the SPLC raise money. See the latest "intelligence report" "behind the noose" where they quote from this board posts about the Jena 6 rally. EAU advocates cutting off the funding oxygen of SPLC and such groups by not giving them such quotes. An organization that explicitly avoids and forbids using the rhetoric of violence, and has a contract that binds members to not reveal the identity of other members, has at least some modicum of protection against Cointelpro/SPLC/ADL type operations. These prophylactic measures against being labeled criminals and/or terrorists make it more likely that we will be able to build a physical infrastructure, a functioning social network that pushes the barriers towards making White ethnic consciousness socially acceptable among ordinary White people, and ultimately an ethnic lobby with some clout. But my original point was that Trotsky wrote in one of his pamphlets that the, ahem, lower middle class was the best recruiting pool for White nationalism. Last edited by Kievsky; December 12th, 2007 at 09:28 AM. |
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Ah, spoken like a true "bourgeouis."
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No matter at what level they are in society, a man or woman who sees the Path clearly needs no one to guide them. And so, they are un-leadable. But a man or woman who is confused and lost, is more easily led to wherever destination or doing whatever deed to which a "leader" wants to lead them. Even if this "leader" is evil, such as a Jewish leader or a Communist leader, confused people tend to follow wherever they are led simply because, being lost, they don't see any other choice. Communism uses such words as "prolentariate" and "bourshwazzee" as a part of their arsenal of words that don't actually mean anything other than what the Communists claim that they mean. THOSE WHO DEFINE THE MEANING OF WORDS HAVE CONTROL OVER THE THINKING PROCESSES OF THOSE WHO USE THESE VERY WORDS. It is all very Orwellian, this double-speak used by the Jew-Commies. And it is being used everyday to deceive and control the People. Such words as "anti-Semitic", "immigrant" and "holocaust", are prime examples of words that are defined by the Enemy so that we use these words in the proscribed way in order to fall into discussions pre-define in their results. As English-speaking people we should use English words to explain what we want to say. And we should avoid using the words that the kikenvermin and their Communist monster claim are the "proper" words to bring into a discussion. After all, what ordinary person (the very people we are trying to influence) understands these words? Thus, instead of asking us what these words actually mean, they go to such corrupt places as Wikipedia to find out what the Jews and Commies want them to understand. To hell with Trotsky. |
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I won't be joining under the big tent of European Americans United. Kievsky wrote: The people I know in EAU are of very high caliber. However, because of the Constitution of EAU, I am under a civil contract not to reveal the identity of any EAU member (besides myself of course) to anyone who is not a member of EAU. This was in response to the problem of the last Hillsboro dead-ender (I won't mention the name, you can figure out) giving the NA membership list to the SPLC. I don't know if this was well known, but I have this on good information. Anyway, the EAU membership contract holds anyone liable even if they join under false pretenses. So if an anti joins EAU and leaks/sells info to the press, that anti can be sued based on the contract he signed. I know we can't count on the legal system, but at least we'd have a clear cut contract as a basis with which to commence a lawsuit. The EAU has a board of directors with set terms and are voted on. Any defective or unethical members can be very quickly removed from membership. Qualifications to be a member is to be an American citizen with no visible non-white ancestry and no irrevocable loyalties to another country (such as Israel). We can vote on removing members for pretty much any reason we see fit, so long as we go by the bylaws. I remember the NA Boston Unit being a clusterfuck because we couldn't get rid of a disruptive and mentally disturbed member. Question: How do members vote on EAU (Europeans Anonymous United?)directors if they have vowed not to disclose any other members' names? This clause is unenforceable in JOG's court due to the discovery process that would reveal the "secret" membership -- the membership which has ostensibly already been exposed by defendant? -- a secret membership that is controlled, apparently, by email. Question: If the antis and defectives (or queers or Jews or Whites with non-White dependents who appear to be eligible for EAU membership since not explicitly prohibited?) are allowed to join, it's up to cadre in the field to detect these types, deal with them and report them to the Chairman or the Membership Coordinator. The National Alliance Membership Handbook allowed for this and left it to Local Unit Coordinators to evaluate members and isolate troublemakers. That the Boston Local Unit couldn't get rid of a disruptive and mentally disturbed member, causing a "clusterfuck," tells me the wrong man was Boston Local Unit Coordinator and should have been removed for cause. Remember this from page 95-96 of the NA Membership Handbook?: ----------- 4,e.ii. Personal Interactions in a Local Unit Putting members together in a Local Unit so they can cooperate on National Alliance work generally has disadvantages as well as advantages. Most people find it difficult to get along with some people, and some people find it difficult to get along with most people, no matter how good the motivation. Members [decent people with a little moral fiber] who were faithful dues payers and perhaps useful in other capacities as well when working alone will suddenly drop out of the National Alliance after attending a few meetings of a Local Unit, because they find another member of the Local Unit intolerable. Personal incompatibilities are a problem in every group endeavor, of course, but the problem is exacerbated in the National Alliance by the broad cross section of the public we represent and the intense feelings and motivations associated with our work. Whereas other groups usually draw their members from a particular social stratum [say, from respectable Yalees, from petite bourgoise, or from blue collar workers], we may have members with a wide range of incomes, educational backgrounds, and life-styles in the same Local Unit [sort of like with a Ron Paul Meetup group -- good trainig!]. It will often require all of a Coordinator's leadership skills to deal with personal conflicts and animosities. He must have the tact to soothe ruffled egos, the wisdom to understand the causes of conflicts, and the toughness to deal ruthlessly with troublemakers...[snip advantages]. ---------- Picking Local Unit Coordinators was a careful process by Dr. Pierce. He would only appoint them after careful evaluation by the Alliance Membership Coordinator, and himself in a face-to-face meeting. There would generally be a probationary period for the Coordinator, or 'Proto-Unit' status, until Dr. Pierce would announce a new Local Unit in the Members BULLETIN, along with the real name and picture of that new Local Unit's Coordinator. Lots of headaches trying to organize White people to save their race, but what else are we going to do but roll up our sleeves and try? We learn from our failures, but we do NOT keep forming broad outreach, big tent organizations -- Xian-friendly < >, to be sure -- that run counter to Dr. Pierce's vanguard principle. Good luck organizing the fans of Jared Taylor and Peter Brimelow into something viable and lasting, Kievsky. |
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I think understanding social class in America is very important to organizing. And there's no shame in being middle class or "bourgeouis." It has a bad name because of people who are shallow and into conspicuous consumption. But social class is biologically wired into us just as race is. Some people take responsibility for the greater community, and some do not. The "middle class" is today what local tribal chiefs or tribal elders were for time immemorial. They were the people who did the thinking, the planning, and the general giving a care about what happened to the community. Building a social infrastructure for White ethnic advocacy should focus on people who have shown initiative and responsibility and persistence, and that would be small scale entrepreneurs/businss owners. We need to both reach them, and transition more of us out of wage labor and into small business ownership. For example, we should own local convenient stores the way the Hindis and the Pakis do. That's not an unreasonable goal. I have seen "market dominant minorities" operate -- jews, Asians, etc. If I could sum up my goal for all of us is that racially aware Whites become ourselves a "market dominant minority." I would of course like Whites in general to hang on to our majority, but the racially aware subset to be the more prosperous and successful and savvy, and therefore be able to present a real challenge to jewish power, and to set an example for other Whites. I think that if our people are not willing to work for our liberation, it's crazy to focus on fighting. That's putting the cart before the horse. We need to be a market dominant minority and established ethnic advocacy lobby in order to defend the rights of those who would take to the streets for our cause, and at the same time, to require a certain standard of behavior and appearance for those who take to the streets. I see it happening in this order, if we can motivate people to work for White liberation: 1. Become market dominant minority. 2. Become an established (if not respected or liked) ethnic lobby by exercising at least some financial and demographic clout. 3. White people will feel safer to express racial feelings, and more motivated to loudly criticize instances of anti-white racial hypocrisy by the Judeo-Establishment. Virulent White culture emerges that demands restoration of the First Amendment rights of freedom of association and abolishing all anti-discrimination laws and forced integration laws. That's about as far ahead as I can look. If this is accomplished in my lifetime, I can die happy. |
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I don't even disagree with your advice re presentation - it is my own, as proved in Knoxville. But learn the lesson: I dressed normally, the antis dressed as brides and acted like monkeys. Who got the better press coverage? We were still treated as haters; they were celebrated as justice seekers. I don't know how you could get more starkly opposed sides than normal Whites advocating for the raped and murdered vs freaks celebrating insanity. Yet still it made no difference in press coverage. So let's not kid ourselves. There are good reasons for dressing this way or that; there are good reasons for being smart and thoughtful. Getting good or fair press treatment is not one. We will never get it as long as we advocate the unthinkable: Whites separating from jews and coloreds. To acknowledge the truth of media is not to be angry or radical, it's simply to acknowlege the circumstances as they are and have been for decades and will continue to be until we control the mass media ourselves. |
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Economic collapse is what will push our message into the ears of average people, rather than the thoughtful minority that pays attention today. When the tv is off, and the belly is empty - that's when people hit the street bent on quick change. And that's when our work will pay off. At least that's one way it has gone in the past. Quote:
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"All reactionaries are papers tigers." They want to go to conferences and hear how brave they are, and then go home, stuffed and satisfied. That's not the type we want at VNN. Last edited by Alex Linder; December 13th, 2007 at 09:16 PM. |
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I understand your feelings about jew commies. They are the enemy incarnate in today's ARA. They are the jewish field agents who's job it is to manipulate the useful idiots for big jew. They are utilizing time tested techniques to control the host countries, post revolution. We're looking at strategies to effectively ignite a new revolution, this is why we search back in time for those who've succeeded, regardless of their orientation. When faced with a mortal adversary, no door should be closed when looking for strategic advantage. I suggested Castro as a primer for those interested in revolutionary ideas and ways to implement them. If we want to win, we study the winners. Here's a little info on Castro's history without too much jew taint. http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...t/1984/BLJ.htm .
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I think I am failing in articulating the purpose of EAU. For every WN who takes to the streets, there should be 100 quiet supporters who have been given a safe channel for active involvement. Why criticize an effort that is trying to create an infrastructure for you? If you get arrested at a rally and anonymous donors bail you out and pay for a defense lawyer for you, would you bash them as cowards for being anonymous? There are potentially hundreds of thousands of supporters, but they would be frightened by the VNN approach. EAU isn't looking to siphon off the pool of radical revolutionaries. It is looking to create a new pool from the frightened and sinking White middle class. Personally, I've been waiting for something like this for years. I have long been casting about in the general pool of the White population for "special projects" such as peak oil preparation, relocalization of agriculture, educational projects for my kid in a White context. I want to create family-friendly White activism, so the next generation of White kids will be more likely to grow up and have normal White families. EAU is the organization for this sort of thing. I understand that things are bad enough to justify revolution, but I'm not a soldier of revolution because my family is my priority. As a wise WN once said to me, "your best recruit is in the crib down the hall." I want to mitigate the damage and send off the next generation of White kids a bit better off and wiser than the Generation X-ers. At the same time, I support my old friends in their efforts at winning the hearts and minds of Whites and in building a community here at VNN. There's no competition. We are fishing in different ponds. Let a thousand flowers bloom. |
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EAU Special Project -- home schooling /self teaching thru undergrad
I posted extensively about this on another thread, but I wanted to throw this in here. One of the best EAU "Special Projects" is the full replacement of undergraduate edjewcation with self taught/tutored education.
The WN movement is highly educated, but we are failing to leverage this resource to its full extent. As I said in my other post, I can teach you Russian right now. You will do most of the work, and I'll get you through sticking points and guide you to the point of being able to hold a conversation in Russian and read a newspaper. By the way, I am waiting for a book from Russia to translate, and when I do translate it, it will be published through EAU. Here's the thread with my post: http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=63277&page=4 The summary is that most undergrad education can be done on your own, and then you just need to find the cheapest way to get the actual credentials -- preferably by just taking the tests. We need some "guinea pigs" to blaze the trail and do this on their own, and work out the details on getting the credentials on the cheap. First you need to decide on a concrete profession such as Registered Nurse or Veterinarian. Suppose you want to become a veterinarian. Start learning the core math and science on your own with the "demystified" series of books: http://www.mhprofessional.com/produc...at=&promocode= Math up to Calculus I, biology, chemistry (organic and inorganic), physics. Then get used books on Anatomy and Physiology, biochemistry, microbiology, pathophysiology. Learn them as well as you can on your own, on the cheap. The only cost is your time and a little bit on books -- and you have to be dedicated. If we recruit some dedicated WN "guinea pigs" to start this project, I'll create a message board for online tutoring only -- no politics. We'll recruit some math and science tutors. I know someone who can help a little bit, and maybe we can bring in Jerry Abbott to help and send him some donations for his work. I don't know off the top of my head how to get the credentials on the cheap, but I know they are out there and we'll find them. Probably online courses. But you won't do the online courses until you actually know the material. If money is an issue we'll do fund-raising for concrete things such as tuition for an online course, as long as you show that you are dedicated and really doing the work. Then we identify, for the sake of an example, veterinary schools and ask them what credentials you need to get in their program. The most important thing is that you know the material. Like I said, we're still blazing the trail at this point, but if you put in the time and master the sciences ahead of time, and read some core books on the subject, you'll get in. By that time, with no debt up to that point, it will be worth taking some student loans to do veterinary school. Fast forward a few years and now we have some WN's who have become well paid professionals via this path. Now that you have blazed the trail and shown results, we can recruit parents of smart and ambitious White kids to do undergrad college this way. After all, who wants to end up in 100,000 dollars debt? And for what -- 4 years of partying/mud-sharking? Imagine if White parents can say to their kids, "Do your undergrad work via the EAU coursework, or go get a job." This will be very tempting. Desired outcome -- kill the kwalleges, and recruit smart White people to our way of doing things. Marxist professors on the street with sandwich boards, "Will deconstruct white privilege . . . for food." Main obstacle to this desired outcome -- lack of initiative/ambition. This is really the main obstacle to every project, however well conceived. But the old way of doing things is failing, by which I mean the old way of massively overpriced and massively underperforming undergraduate edjewkashun. Manufacturing jobs were downsized decades ago, but tenured Marxist scum are still snug as a bug in a rug. Ultimately, what's more effective -- shooting some Marxist professor and making a martyr of him while the shooter is killed or imprisoned for life, or creating the conditions where his PhD in sociology and 4 bucks will get him an extra value meal at McDonalds? I like the strategy where our success catalyzes the failure of our enemies. This takes a LOT more work, but it's perfectly legal and the only way it won't work is if we are too lazy to do it. And if we are too lazy, maybe we don't deserve to survive. Look inside and ask yourself -- "Am I lazier or stupider than a hungry Chinese kid studying math in Guangdong or an ambitious Pakistani preparing for medical school in Lahore?" Keep both of them in mind, the ambitious Asians and the Marxist scum professors. You won't just be a professional in your field. You will also be a tutor/mentor in the EAU correspondence coursework (if you have time). You will always have the opportunity to be a very effective WN activist in addition to being a successful professional. And the day may come when it is a paid position. Success will attract and breed success, we just have to get the ball rolling. If anyone wants to do things this way, PM me. If there is enough interest I'll set up a non-political online message board for tutoring. The only requirement is that you have a specific profession in mind and the ability to dedicate 2 hours a day, or an average of 14 hours a week to your education. |
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