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Old June 18th, 2017 #1
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Good day everyone! I've read quite a number of threads in these forums regarding the personality of Joseph Stalin and the policy of Soviet Union during his reign. I have to say Stalin was one of most сontradictory personages in Russian history and perhaps, in the world history, but in the nationalistic environment he has been traditionally perceived in a very negative way, mostly because of his contradictions with A.Hitler in WWII. I believe that by choosing this path we isolate ourselves from the whole baggage of knowledge, splitting the White anti-Zionist movement into stalinists and fanatical people, despising everything related with Stalin. It's certainly a wrong way, now it's the time to unite, not to split.

We must perceive Stalin's personality not in communist-trotskist way, not through vision of typical liberal antifascist rats. We must see Stalin as nationalists, and honestly speaking he had a lot of good sides we should respect. We must see the true Stalin who is second most hated person of the 20 century right by Zionists, he was and is still their Jewish nightmare. Of course, there were Jews around him but he kept them in line. Stalin saved Russia from so-called "Western democracy" and liberalism and Jews never forgave hi such a sin, finally they poisoned Stalin in 1950s. That's why Stalin is still a hero for Russians, you can meet his image in Orthodox icons:



Let's start with wonderful girl Evalion exposing another Zio-faked holohoax in Ukraine:

 
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^ your an idiotic jewish shill
 
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^ your an idiotic jewish shill
What that is created by Evalion who managed to make more anti-semitic videos and contribution than you.

It is well known fact that he eliminated many Jews and was poisoned by one of them ( Berya ). It is well known fact that Holodomor was famine that was not engineered by Stalin but rather anti-Russian propaganda created by America to demonize Russia later on.

Say what you want but he is considered saint in Russia and is one of main center points in ideology of Novorossya.
 
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Holodomor was engineered by NKVD kikes like Jagoda and Yezhov.

Stalin had both of them as well as many others executed.
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Holodomor was engineered by NKVD kikes like Jagoda and Yezhov.

Stalin had both of them as well as many others executed.
Yes true fighter against ZOG and FED agents used against him, smart move I must say.
 
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The video would have been better if Evalion alone narrated it and not with her robotic-sounding boyfriend.
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now it's the time to unite, not to split.
We must see Stalin as nationalists
A kibbutz zionist 'dream'
Stalin ran a KABBUTZ COMMUNE.
Nothing 'nationalistic' about that !
However, jewish propaganda shills will spin doctor their
kabbala commune enslavement for their own agenda.
nice try , if you do not like freedom,
move to a kibbutz commune (israel has plenty of them).
 
Old June 19th, 2017 #8
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The video would have been better if Evalion alone narrated it and not with her robotic-sounding boyfriend.
I like the article Evalion attached to her video. It explains a lot about common anti-Stalin stereotypes:

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Holodomor Hoax: Joseph Stalin's Crime That Never Took Place

Playing into the hands of Ukrainian nationalists, a monument to the so-called Ukrainian "Holodomor," one the 20th century's most famous myths and vitriolic pieces of anti-Soviet Propaganda, has been erected in the US capital.

Remarkably, the roots of the "Holodomor" ("deliberate starvation") myth lie in the longstanding Cold War standoff between Soviet Russia and the West. After the defeat of Nazi Germany in 1945, infamous Nazi collaborators — members of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN) and their paramilitary UPA (Ukrainian Insurgent Army) units — fled into Western Europe and the United States, escaping punishment for their hideous crimes, including ruthless terror against peaceful Jewish, Ukrainian and Russian civilians.

In 1949 the CIA and the US State Department sponsored the OUN-UPA leaders' immigration to the United States, planning to use them as subversion groups and intelligence agents in the Cold War against Soviet Russia.

One of them, Mykola Lebed was characterized as "a well-known sadist and collaborator of the Germans" by the CIA, according to Swedish-American historian Dr. Per Anders Rudling in his book "The OUN, the UPA and the Holocaust: A Study in the Manufacturing of Historical Myths." However, this fact had not prevented the CIA from recruiting the former Nazi collaborator.

The CIA believed that Ukrainian nationalism could be used as an efficient cold war weapon.

While the Ukrainian nationalists provided Washington with valuable information about its Cold War rivals, the CIA in return was placing the nationalist veterans into positions of influence and authority, helping them to create semi-academic institutions or academic positions in existing universities.

By using these formal and informal academic networks, the Ukrainian nationalists had been disseminating anti-Russian propaganda, creating myths and re-writing history at the same time whitewashing the wartime crimes of OUN-UPA.

One of these myths was "Holodomor" that claimed that the USSR and its leader Joseph Stalin deliberately starved to death from three to seven million Ukrainians.

After the collapse of the USSR, the Ukrainian diaspora played a substantial role in shaping the ideology of the new Ukrainian state. "Unlike many other former Soviet republics, the Ukrainian government did not need to develop new national myths from scratch, but imported ready concepts developed in the Ukrainian diaspora," Dr. Rudling underscored.

However, it was under Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko (who gained his power after the Western-sponsored Maidan uprising of 2004, also known as the Orange Revolution) when the anti-Russian myth making caught its second wind in Ukraine. Under Yushchenko, several institutes of "memory management" and "myth making" were established in the country.

Both Russian and Western historians have questioned the "Holodomor" concept as well as evidently exaggerated number of victims of the famine of 1932-33 in Ukraine.

American historian Professor Mark B. Tauger, West Virginia University, carried out thorough research on the famine of 1932-33 in the USSR, and came to the conclusion that the disaster was due to environmental circumstances and was evidently not related to the Soviet policy in the region.

Tauger stressed that climatic conditions played the main role in the famine of 1932-33.

Ukraine’s Right Sector Plans to Repeat Bloodbath in Odessa
Paradoxically, supporters of the "Holodomor" myth remain silent about the fact that Russia (including the territory of modern Ukraine) had suffered from periodic devastating famines since the end of 19th century, long before Bolsheviks came to power in 1917. They also ignore the fact that there were serious famines in 1920-21, 1924, 1927 and 1928.

Interestingly enough, official Soviet Ukrainian primary sources show that the 1928-29 famine, caused by natural disaster, mainly drought, was very serious, and Ukraine received more aid from the Soviet government, than the Kremlin sent to other parts of the USSR. This obviously disproves the false theory of the Ukrainian nationalists' "malicious" conspiracy against Ukrainian peasants in the Soviet Union, noted Grover Furr in his book "Blood Lies: The Evidence that Every Accusation Against Joseph Stalin and the Soviet Union in Timothy Snyder's Bloodlands Is False."

In response to historians who suggest that the Ukrainian peasants starved and suffered especially because of Collectivization — Stalin's policy of the early 1930s aimed at consolidating individual lands into collective farms — Tauger emphasized:

"These studies minimize or ignore the actual harvest data, the environmental factors that caused low harvests, the repeated recovery from the famine and crop failures, the large harvests of the 1930s, the mechanization of Soviet farms in these years, Soviet population growth, and the long-term increases in food production and consumption over the Soviet period" ("Soviet Peasants and Collectivization, 1930-1939).

According to the scholar, although the Stalin regime implemented collectivization "coercively," the policy "brought substantial modernization to traditional agriculture in the Soviet Union, and laid the basis for relatively high food production and consumption by the 1970s and 1980s" ("Stalin, Soviet Agriculture and Collectivization, 1930-1939").

Remarkably, the famine of 1932-33 was the last famine that struck the Soviet Union with the exception for the famine of 1946-47 the country suffered from after the Second World War.

Although the "Holodomor" myth was never based upon credible evidence and there are enough authentic sources to prove that it is a hoax, it is simply taken for granted. Unsurprisingly, Washington supports the myth as a part of its recent Cold War-style anti-Russian campaign. Alas, even repeated a thousand times a lie will never become the truth.
 
Old June 19th, 2017 #9
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^ your an idiotic jewish shill
Thanks for such an impolite input. Meanwhile it's you repeating the liberal mantras, like one of those globalist kikes hating everything about Stalin. The reality differs from popular anti-Stalin stereotypes, read the article about Soviet NKVD, the Cheka:

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Extreme Russian Nationalism Widespread in Soviet Security Organs, Archives Show

The Soviet security agencies from Lenin on were infected by an often vicious Russian nationalism which led their officers to attack non-Russians far more frequently than Russians, according to a new study based on archival sources by Aleksey Teplyakov, a Novosibirsk historian.

Many researchers Russian and foreign have considered the national aspects of Soviet political repression, he says, but “up to now there have not been any which allow for an assessment of the presence of chauvinist and nationalist attitudes among the Chekist corporation of the influence of these subjective factors on the conduct of repressive policies.”

Indeed, he points, many have focused on the presence of a significant stratum of non-Russians within the Soviet secret police and other security agencies to conclude that the organs, however repressive, were not chauvinist and anti-Russian (Shovinizm i natsionalizm v organakh VChK-MGB-MVD SSSR, in Sovetskiye natsii i natsionalnaya politika v 1920-1950 gody, Moscow ROSSPEN, 2014, pp. 649-657, posted online here).

But in fact, these organs were infected by chauvinism, and those attitudes were reinforced rather than reduced by the constant campaigns of repressions against one or another non-Russian people, with some of the Chekists working in the republics acting like “typical colonial bureaucrats” and routinely expression “aggressive-chauvinist attitudes” toward the minorities.

Teplyakov says that within the Soviet secret police, chauvinism ranged from dismissive comments about “’backward Asiatics’ or ‘little Jews’” to the belief that non-Russian groups should be subject to “broad ethnic purges” even if the cases against the members of such groups had to be fabricated.

During the Russian civil war, the Chekists sought to decapitate the national movements in Kazakhstan, Kalmykia, Gorno-Altay, Yakutia (Sakha), Central Asia and Azerbaijan even as they recruited other non-Russians to carry out such campaigns. And these campaigns frequently were over-fulfilled because of the attitudes of the Chekists involved.

In March 1922, for example, Cheka commanders took note of the fact that “the internal forces suppressing the uprising in Yakutia could only with difficulty “be kept from wiping out the Yakuts” involved. Throughout the 1920s, Chekists killed with impunity members of the numerically small peoples of the North as well as others simply because they were not Russian.

Stalin’s increasingly nationalist course in the 1930s only exacerbated this tendency. Stalin himself, Teplyakov points out, told one official that the organs should force all of the non-Russians to fall on their knees and then execute them “like mad dogs.” The Chekists needed little encouragement, the archives show.

After World War II, the situation deteriorated further, with the organs sometimes provoking nationalist risings and then using them as an excuse to imprison, torture or kill members of non-Russian nationalities. That happened with the Nentsy, the Baltic nations, the Ukrainians and others as well, the archives show.

Chauvinism increased in the ranks of the organs on a continuous basis during the last years of Stalin’s reign. The state security minister in the Buryat-Mongol ASSR said that as long as he was in office, “not one Buryat would be allowed to be in a leading position” anywhere in the republic. He was subsequently punished. But others did much the same elsewhere without being called to account.

The Chekists overwhelmingly welcomed Stalin’s anti-Semitic campaign. Although there had been many Jews among the Chekists in the 1920s, their numbers had dwindled in the 1930s during the Great Terror, and members of the Soviet organs routinely talked about the need to get rid of the Jews inside their ranks and elsewhere.

While Russian and Russianized Chekists were allowed to flaunt their chauvinism, those Chekists who were of non-Russian origin were expected to behave as internationalists, which in the Soviet context meant being pro-Moscow and against their own peoples as well as other non-Russians.
 
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those globalist kikes hating everything about Stalin.
Brush up on your history rabbi.
Here for starters :
Historians explain National Heroes of Ukraine:
( yet Stalin wanted them dead)
Why Are Jews So Afraid of Stepan Bandera?
http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/1654...stepan-bandera

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/213064


http://www.historyplace.com/worldhis...ide/stalin.htm

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from ''Stalin’s Anti-Semitism''

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Conquest also wrote a biography of Stalin entitled Stalin –Breaker of Nations. Conquest details Stalin’s virulent anti-Semitism.

Stalin, from his earliest days as a seminary student in Tiflis, hated “yids.” In 1906 he stated that the hated Mensheviks were a “Jewish organization” but that the Bolsheviks were a truly Russian group. He therefore, ‘in jest’ recommended a pogrom against the Mensheviks.

But it was not until after Hitler’s defeat in World War II and the beginning of the Cold War that this latent hatred turned into a public obsession. As Conquest writes:

Stalin’s attitude [towards the Jews] seems to have been based in part on what he took to be Hitler’s successful use of anti-Semitic demagogy. It was certainly also due to his increasing Russian nationalism, to which he felt, most, or many, Jews were not truly assimilable. And the idea of a special Jewish predilection for capitalism is of course to be found in Marx. He especially opposed Jews who were Bundists, or religious activists, or ‘cosmopolitans,’ or secessionists, or Zionists, or were agents of American-Israeli organizations.

In the autumn of 1948 Golda Meir arrived in Moscow as Israeli ambassador. A huge crowd of Jews turned out to greet her on Rosh Hashanah. On 8 November she was warmly welcomed at a diplomatic reception by Polina Molotov (the wife of V.M. Molotov, Stalin’s longtime foreign minister), herself a member of the Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee. For Stalin this public and private demonstration of Jewish feeling seems to have been the last straw. …an open, full-scale campaign of attacks on Jewish culture and attitudes, and on Zionism, soon began in the press. The theme was that the country’s values were being undermined by ‘rootless cosmopolitans.’ There was a particularly vicious assault on [Jewish] theater critics, eventually described as ‘an anti-party group.’ When their Russianized names or pseudonyms were given, the original Jewish name was printed in brackets, and papers asked how anyone so named could understand Russian culture. Meanwhile unpublicized arrests [of Jews], especially of writers in Yiddish, continued, and there was a general growth of public anti-Jewish pressure. Among those arrested at the end of 1948 was Polina Molotov.
http://www.jewishhistory.org/stalin%...anti-semitism/
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From ''Making Sense of Stalin''

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Before the creation of Israel, Jews overwhelmingly identified with the Soviet Union; it had been created by Jews, and many Jews were in top positions. Stalin stole it from them, but he used the same covert methods that Jews used, so it was not clear whether he or they were in charge; and as long as Trotsky was alive, there was a chance of his restoration. The assassination of Trotsky on August 20, 1940 might have caused Jewish disaffection, but they deemed Hitler the greatest threat, and backed the USSR as the only power that could defeat him. Once Israel was created, and Stalin observed how Soviet Jews rallied to it, Jews were gradually removed from the top positions they had held. A Cold War broke out between Moscow and Jerusalem.
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Unlike christian conservative american dogs Stalin was no whore of the kikes
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As for the title of this thread ''Joseph Stalin appreciation thread", obviously the OP is attempting to troll 'Nazis'. I'd change the title to something like ''Stalin's relation to the jews thread''.
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As for the title of this thread ''Joseph Stalin appreciation thread", obviously the OP is attempting to troll 'Nazis'. I'd change the title to something like ''Stalin's relation to the jews thread''.
No, I didn't intend to troll anyone as I'm myself a support of National-Socialism. It took a long time for me to invent most suitable title for thread, my initial goal was to write Evalion's words "Stalin wasn't so bad", but for me the current title suits Stalin's personality and moral achievement at best and has a moderate character.
 
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No, I didn't intend to troll anyone as I'm myself a support of National-Socialism.

Go back to (((Stormfront Russia)))

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Hezbollah indeed is a terrorist organization, or at least it used to be. I am not really up to date with their latest activites except for their involvement in The Syrian war. Just because they are fighting Israel and America doesn't make them the good guys.
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Go back to (((Stormfront Russia)))
Stormfront is not a site where truly WN thinking people can express their thoughts openly, you know it too. Especially when a person wants to infiltrate the ranks of kikes, administrating the forum. It doesn't need to mention that pathetic place in every serious discussion.
 
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Brush up on your history rabbi.
Here for starters :
Historians explain National Heroes of Ukraine:
( yet Stalin wanted them dead)
Why Are Jews So Afraid of Stepan Bandera?
You have misunderstood something. Jews are not afraid of Bandera, on contrary, kikes support Holodomorhox myth and banderites as a weapon of media propaganda against Russia. Bandera killed only Poles and Russians, not jews, spending most time of WWII in a German concentration camp, where his brother was killed.
Unlike many people can think now, I'm not a 100% follower of Stalin, he had disadvantages too. I'm not blaming Stalin for murders of ukrainians, I think it was certainly a crime not to kill all ukrainian svidomites in 1930-1940s. Now many Russian people in Ukraine would be alive.
 
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On SF Russia only promotion of Bandera is allowed , promotion of any figure in Russian history fighting against the scum like Stalin for e.g is not allowed , so this would not be accepted there.So I do not know why he should go back there Serbian.
 
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Brush up on your history rabbi.
Here for starters :
Historians explain National Heroes of Ukraine:
( yet Stalin wanted them dead)
Why Are Jews So Afraid of Stepan Bandera?
If they were afraid they would not promote him on SF Russia through Ukrop support , which is what they do.
 
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