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Old July 31st, 2014 #81
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Razing Gaza: Before and after satellite images show the true devastation of Israel's bombardment as 700 homes and mosques are turned to rubble and 400 craters blight the war zone
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I think the issues involved in this are a lot more complex than surface slogan type statements. They are fighting over land. And Palestine has been given back land and they want more and more.
It seems like you've been watching too much jewtube. Because you're parroting the same tripe I'd hear from a talking head like Sean Hannity, Mike Huckabee, or Glenn Beck.

First of all, Israel has STOLEN 100% of the territory they currently occupy. 2nd of all, Palestinians aren't getting more land, they're getting more of what little land they do have stolen from them over time.

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Palestine will never be satisfied with what they have, hence, more and more bloodshed.
Bullshit!! Its the kikes who will never be satisfied with what they have which is why they're always seeking to steal more and more land.

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Im not defending Jewish imperialism outside Israel. But Israel is not targeting to kill women and children. Theyre in a war and the Palestinians are hiding munitions in peoples houses, schools. We are well aware of playing victim status in the US.
If the above comment isn't defending Israel, then I'm the Pope's son!!

The idea that they're hiding weapons and munitions inside schools and hospitals is complete and utter bullshit!! Do you understand? Not a single time has anyone in the MSM ever asked them to prove that. And they've offered not one single ounce of evidence to back up those claims. When dead children are laying in the streets they damn well better control the media, or have an overwhelming amount of evidence proving it. And we all know its the former and not the later.

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Isnt the same type issue going on here. We are suddenly attacking "children" by not welcoming zillions of border jumpers. Its our fault. Bullshit.
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Old July 31st, 2014 #83
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I think the issues involved in this are a lot more complex than surface slogan type statements. They are fighting over land.
Dr Nafeez Ahmed might disagree with you.

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Never mind the 'war on terror' rhetoric, writes Nafeez Ahmed. The purpose of Israel's escalating assault on Gaza is to control the Territory's 1.4 trillion cubic feet of gas - and so keep Palestine poor and weak, gain massive export revenues, and avert its own domestic energy crisis.

If Palestinians develop their own gas resources, the resulting economic transformation could in turn fundamentally increase Palestinian clout.

Israel's defence minister is on record confirming that military plans to uproot Hamas' are about securing control of Gaza's gas reserves

The conquest of Gaza is accelerating. Israel has now launched its ground invasion, bringing the Palestinian death toll to 260, 80% of whom are civilians.

A further 1,500 have been wounded and 1,300 Palestinian homes destroyed. Israel's goal, purportedly, is to "restore quiet" by ending Hamas rocket attacks on Israel.

Last Tuesday, Israeli defence minister and former Israeli Defence Force (IDF) chief of staff Moshe Ya'alon announced that Operation Protective Edge marks the beginning of a protracted assault on Hamas.

The operation "won't end in just a few days", he said, adding that "we are preparing to expand the operation by all means standing at our disposal so as to continue striking Hamas."

The price will be very heavy ... yes, $4 billion!

The following morning, he went on: "We continue with strikes that draw a very heavy price from Hamas. We are destroying weapons, terror infrastructures, command and control systems, Hamas institutions, regime buildings, the houses of terrorists, and killing terrorists of various ranks of command ...

"The campaign against Hamas will expand in the coming days, and the price the organization will pay will be very heavy."

But in 2007, a year before Operation Cast Lead, Ya'alon's concerns focused on the 1.4 trillion cubic feet of natural gas discovered in 2000 off the Gaza coast, valued at $4 billion.

Ya'alon dismissed the notion that "Gaza gas can be a key driver of an economically more viable Palestinian state" as "misguided".

The problem, he said is that "Proceeds of a Palestinian gas sale to Israel would likely not trickle down to help an impoverished Palestinian public. Rather, based on Israel's past experience, the proceeds will likely serve to fund further terror attacks against Israel ...

"A gas transaction with the Palestinian Authority will, by definition, involve Hamas. Hamas will either benefit from the royalties or it will sabotage the project and launch attacks against Fatah, the gas installations, Israel - or all three ...

"It is clear that without an overall military operation to uproot Hamas control of Gaza, no drilling work can take place without the consent of the radical Islamic movement."

Resource competition is at the heart of the conflict

Operation Cast Lead did not succeed in uprooting Hamas, but the conflict did take the lives of 1,387 Palestinians (773 of whom were civilians) and 9 Israelis (3 of whom were civilians).

Since the discovery of oil and gas in the Occupied Territories, resource competition has increasingly been at the heart of the conflict, motivated largely by Israel's increasing domestic energy woes.

Mark Turner, founder of the Research Journalism Initiative, reported that the siege of Gaza and ensuing military pressure was designed to "eliminate" Hamas as "a viable political entity in Gaza" to generate a "political climate" conducive to a gas deal.

This involved rehabilitating the defeated Fatah as the dominant political player in the West Bank, and "leveraging political tensions between the two parties, arming forces loyal to Abbas and the selective resumption of financial aid."

Ya'alon's comments in 2007 illustrate that the Israeli cabinet is not just concerned about Hamas - but concerned that if Palestinians develop their own gas resources, the resulting economic transformation could in turn fundamentally increase Palestinian clout.

It's not called Leviathan for nothing

Meanwhile, Israel has made successive discoveries in recent years - such as the Leviathan field estimated to hold 18 trillion cubic feet of natural gas - which could transform the country from energy importer into aspiring energy exporter with ambitions to supply Europe, Jordan and Egypt.

The chief obstacle is that much of the 122 trillion cubic feet of gas and 1.6 billion barrels of oil in the Levant Basin Province lies in territorial waters where borders are hotly disputed between Israel, Syria, Lebanon, Gaza and Cyprus.

Amidst this regional jockeying for gas, Israel has its own little-understood energy challenges. First, it could take until 2020 for much of these domestic resources to be mobilised.

Worse, a 2012 letter by two Israeli government chief scientists - which the Israeli government chose not to disclose - warned the government that Israel still had insufficient gas resources to sustain exports despite all the stupendous discoveries. The letter, according to Ha'aretz, stated:

"We believe Israel should increase its use of natural gas by 2020 and should not export gas. The Natural Gas Authority's estimates are lacking. There's a gap of 100 to 150 billion cubic meters between the demand projections that were presented to the committee and the most recent projections. The gas reserves are likely to last even less than 40 years!"

Israel's looming power crisis

As Dr Gary Luft - an advisor to US Energy Security Council - wrote in the Journal of Energy Security, "with the depletion of Israel's domestic gas supplies accelerating, and without an imminent rise in Egyptian gas imports, Israel could face a power crisis in the next few years ...

"If Israel is to continue to pursue its natural gas plans it must diversify its supply sources."

Israel's new discoveries do not, as yet, offer an immediate solution as electricity prices reach record levels, heightening the imperative to diversify supply. This appears to be behind Prime Minister Netanyahu's announcement in February 2011 that it was now time to seal the Gaza gas deal.

But even after a new round of negotiations was kick-started between the Fatah-led Palestinian Authority and Israel in September 2012, Hamas was excluded from these talks, and thus rejected the legitimacy of any deal.

Earlier this year, Hamas condemned a PA deal to purchase $1.2 billion worth of gas from Israel Leviathan field over a 20 year period once the field starts producing.

Simultaneously, the PA has held several meetings with the British Gas Group to develop the Gaza gas field, albeit with a view to exclude Hamas - and thus Gazans - from access to the proceeds. That plan had been the brainchild of Quartet Middle East envoy Tony Blair.

But the PA was also courting Russia's Gazprom to develop the Gaza marine gas field, and talks have been going on between Russia, Israel and Cyprus, though so far it is unclear what the outcome of these have been. Also missing was any clarification on how the PA would exert control over Gaza, which is governed by Hamas.

The curse of Gaza's fossil fuel wealth

According to Anais Antreasyan in the University of California's Journal of Palestine Studies, the most respected English language journal devoted to the Arab-Israeli conflict, Israel's stranglehold over Gaza has been designed to make "Palestinian access to the Marine-1 and Marine-2 gas wells impossible."

Israel's long-term goal "besides preventing the Palestinians from exploiting their own resources, is to integrate the gas fields off Gaza into the adjacent Israeli offshore installations."

This is part of a wider strategy of "separating the Palestinians from their land and natural resources in order to exploit them, and, as a consequence, blocking Palestinian economic development.

"Despite all formal agreements to the contrary, Israel continues to manage all the natural resources nominally under the jurisdiction of the PA, from land and water to maritime and hydrocarbon resources."

Hamas - an obstacle to peace? Or an obstacle to a gas deal?

For the Israeli government, Hamas continues to be the main obstacle to the finalisation of the gas deal. In the incumbent defence minister's words:

"Israel's experience during the Oslo years indicates Palestinian gas profits would likely end up funding terrorism against Israel. The threat is not limited to Hamas ... It is impossible to prevent at least some of the gas proceeds from reaching Palestinian terror groups."

The only option, therefore, is yet another "military operation to uproot Hamas".

Unfortunately, for the IDF uprooting Hamas means destroying the group's perceived civilian support base - which is why Palestinian civilian casualties massively outweigh those of Israelis. Both are obviously reprehensible, but Israel's capacity to inflict destruction is simply far greater.

The IDF's aggressive new combat doctrine

In the wake of Operation Cast Lead, the Jerusalem-based Public Committee Against Torture in Israel (Pcati) found that the IDF had adopted a more aggressive combat doctrine based on two principles:

"zero casualties" for IDF soldiers at the cost of deploying increasingly indiscriminate firepower in densely populated areas;
and the "dahiya doctrine" promoting targeting of civilian infrastructure to create widespread suffering amongst the population with a view to foment opposition to Israel's opponents.


This was confirmed in practice by the UN fact-finding mission in Gaza which concluded that the IDF had pursued a "deliberate policy of disproportionate force" aimed at the "supporting infrastructure" of the enemy. "This appears to have meant the civilian population", said the UN report.

The Israel-Palestine conflict is clearly not only about resources. But in an age of expensive energy, competition to dominate regional fossil fuels are increasingly influencing the critical decisions that can inflame war.

Dr. Nafeez Ahmed is an international security journalist and academic. He is the author of A User's Guide to the Crisis of Civilization: And How to Save It, and the forthcoming science fiction thriller, ZERO POINT. ZERO POINT is set in a near future following a Fourth Iraq War.

Follow Ahmed on Facebook and Twitter.

This article is an updated version of one originally published by The Guardian.
I'll provide an unbroken link since there are several clickable links within this text.

http://www.theecologist.org/News/new..._gas_grab.html

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Old July 31st, 2014 #84
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I think the issues involved in this are a lot more complex than surface slogan type statements. They are fighting over land. And Palestine has been given back land and they want more and more.

Palestine will never be satisfied with what they have, hence, more and more bloodshed.

Im not defending Jewish imperialism outside Israel. But Israel is not targeting to kill women and children. Theyre in a war and the Palestinians are hiding munitions in peoples houses, schools. We are well aware of playing victim status in the US.

Isnt the same type issue going on here. We are suddenly attacking "children" by not welcoming zillions of border jumpers. Its our fault. Bullshit.

WTF?

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Old July 31st, 2014 #85
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Which Holocaust Did You Mean?
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July 31, 2014

I wagered a Takimag writer that the New York Times and its international excuse for a newspaper would report on anti-Semitism in Europe the minute the civilian dead in Gaza reached 1000. I won the bet exactly two days after I made it, and two days after the glorious Israeli army managed to kill 1000 Palestinians, mostly women and children in Gaza.

Celestine Bohlen, the Paris-based reporter for the Times, was obviously brownnosing the boss back home when she went looking for Rabbi Salomon Malka in the Paris suburb of Sarcelles, often called “little Jerusalem” because it’s home to 15,000 Jews. Pro-Palestinian demonstrators, as Bohlen described them, have been causing trouble in little Jerusalem, setting fires to a kosher grocery shop and a Jewish-owned pharmacy. Something that slipped the reporter’s mind, at least at the start of her diatribe, was the fact that the demonstrators were all Muslim youths outraged at the fact that American-made F-16s, 155mm heavy artillery, and thousands of Israeli commandos were laying further waste to the wasteland that is Gaza, murdering along the way unarmed men, women, and children.

“Yes, it is unpleasant and certainly uncivilized, and it has no place in a European country, but nor is there any place for the fact that Israel kills Palestinians in cold blood for 66 years and excuses itself by calling anyone who opposes its illegal occupation of Palestinian lands a terrorist.”

But that’s not the way the story was reported. According to the New York Times and Celestine Bohlen, the demonstrations were proof that anti-Semitism is rampant in Europe, implying that steps need to be taken to prevent another Holocaust. According to Rabbi Malka, the attacks on Gaza have given an anti-Zionist cover to attacks against Jews. Period. “Anti-Semitism today is hiding behind anti-Zionism,” says the rabbi and reports the Times. Rabbi Malka was from Morocco, a country that had a large Jewish population and a reputation for tolerance. Less so after Israel began its war against the Palestinians 66 years ago. Many Moroccan Jews left for Israel, but many also chose France, a tolerant country that enjoys a reputation for its freedom of speech.

Mind you, the Jewish Defense League did not exactly take all this lying down. After helping get the government to ban two Palestinian demonstrations against the Gaza massacres by Israel—an unheard-of ukase by a French government that prides itself on the freedoms it allows minorities—the JDL attacked the Palestinian rally that took place despite the ban. Now the rabbi is saying “It’s unimaginable” that anyone would cry out anti-Jewish slogans in front of a French synagogue.

Yes, it is unpleasant and certainly uncivilized, and it has no place in a European country, but nor is there any place for the fact that Israel kills Palestinians in cold blood for 66 years and excuses itself by calling anyone who opposes its illegal occupation of Palestinian lands a terrorist. In the meantime I have won my bet and am off to the races to put my winnings on a horse. Celestine Bohlen obviously is waiting by the telephone for a call from New York telling her bravo, she managed to bring people’s minds back to what really matters, anti-Semitism rather than those boring dead women and children in Gaza.

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Now that we have the Americans openly admitting that they are resupplying the Jews in their genocide of the Palestinians...

Work needs to be started on the U.N. level to disqualify the American vote of the Security Council.

Conflict of Interest and Prejudice should be placed upon America involving any vote from the Security Council on any issue involving the investigation of this humanitarian disaster.
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Cool Question of the Day...

Where are all of the dead Jews?

If the tunnels are really being used for military purposes, and not facilitating the black market in goods between these two societies...

Then where are all of the dead Jews that have been attack by all of these Palestinians sneaking through these tunnels.

Keeping in mind that the Jews are using these tunnels as an excuse to not only kill more people, but to deny any type of cease fire.
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killer kike king netanyahu,

If the palestinians were flying planes in and out gaza instead of building tunnels, what would you filthy kikes be doing to those planes?

Just sayin'.
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Here's a rare Palestinian perspective from a very moderate politician Mustafa Barghouti. Transcript of an interview on Australian t.v. I've put a link below to the interview.


Reporter: Emma Alberici

Mustafa Barghouti the leader of the Palestinian National Initiative discusses the hostilities between Israel and Hamas militants in Gaza.
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EMMA ALBERICI, PRESENTER: In one of the heaviest nights of bombardment in the 22-day conflict between Hamas and Israel, the death toll reached 1100 in Gaza and 56 in Israel.

The latest round of attacks saw a hospital and a refugee camp hit in Gaza. Israel claims the strikes came from misfired Hamas rockets.

The Israeli Defence Force says it hit more than 70 terrorist sites throughout the Gaza Strip including a Hamas command and control centre and four weapons storage sites concealed within mosques.

Israel also struck Gaza's main broadcasting facility.

We had hoped to bring you an interview of a member of Hamas within Gaza but we could not secure safe passage for a camera crew.

Instead we're crossing now to Ramallah in the West Bank to speak to Mustafa Barghouti a former Palestinian presidential candidate. He's now the leader of Palestinian National Initiative, a party in the Palestinian Parliament which claims independence from both Fatah and Hamas.

Welcome to Lateline.

MUSTAFA BARGHOUTI, LEADER, PALESTINIAN NATIONAL INITIATIVE: Thank you.

EMMA ALBERICI: When will Hamas stop firing rockets and inviting the wrath of Israel on the Palestinian people?

MUSTAFA BARGHOUTI: I think this is the wrong question because the question should be when will Israel stop its aggression on Gaza because the rockets started to be shot at Israel in response to Israeli air strikes on Gaza.

Israel is the one that initiated this war. Israel is not attacking Hamas only, it's attacking all the Palestinian civilian population in Gaza. That's why we have 1,160 people killed, 90 per cent of them are children and women and civilians. About 6,300 people are also injured and whole neighbourhoods have been eliminated by Israel.

EMMA ALBERICI: Israel, of course, is adamant that the reason we're seeing so many civilian casualties in Gaza is that Hamas has deliberately hidden rockets under schools and mosques and their headquarters placed in hospital buildings?

MUSTAFA BARGHOUTI: This is not true at all. This is an Israeli propaganda and unfortunately it is dominating international media. If Israel has very powerful lobby that does not make its false propaganda facts.

The reality is that Israel, up until now, attacked seven hospitals, attacked home for people with disability killing two disabled women, attacked 90 schools, attacked media, attacked TV stations, killed journalists and just now they've attacked the only electricity station in Gaza, cutting Gaza from electricity completely.

More than 400,000 people do not have access to water now because of Israeli air strikes. What's happening in Gaza is nothing but acts of massacre and almost an act of genocide that Israel is conducting against 1.8 million people living in a very small area that is only 140 square miles.

These massacres must be stopped and just now all the Palestinian groups, including Hamas and jihad and the PLO, declared a call for ceasefire for 24 hours. The UN proposed 72 hours ceasefire and the Palestinians agreed. It is Israel that is refusing to have a ceasefire. It is the Israeli Prime Minister who insists on continuing this aggression which is becoming very serious massacre and he is creating one of the worst humanitarian crisis in the region.

EMMA ALBERICI: There's a bit in that but let me just ask you this question and that is isn't it true that if Hamas had agreed to the ceasefire that was proposed by Egypt more than a week ago, many hundreds of lives could have been saved?

MUSTAFA BARGHOUTI: This is not true because Palestinians were ready for ceasefire several times. Israel is using this act as a cover. In reality the Palestinian side never rejected, Hamas never rejected Egyptian proposal.

All Hamas said, and we all agree with that, is that the ceasefire should also be accompanied with lifting the siege on Gaza. This siege is the cause of the problem.

Gaza has been under Israeli siege for eight years which means people cannot have access through land, through air or through sea. Fishermen cannot go to fish. The reason for this humanitarian siege on Gaza is that the level of poverty is very high. 90 per cent of people who are young and educated are unemployed and more than that, 90 per cent of the water resources in Gaza are undrinkable because they're either salinated or polluted.

The whole infrastructure is devastated. People are saying not only stop the ceasefire, stop this aggression, stop this war but also lift the siege on Gaza.

That's all they said and Israel is claiming - if Israel wants ceasefire let them agree now. Why don't they stop the aggression on Gaza now straight away. We are saying we will agree on ceasefire and Netanyahu says no.

EMMA ALBERICI: Pardon me for the interruption but of course Israel says the only way you can achieve peace is to demilitarise Gaza. Do you accept that without that step peace will continue to be elusive?

MUSTAFA BARGHOUTI: Why not demilitarise Israel as well. Why Israel the occupying power can continue its occupation which has become the longest occupation in modern history, 47 years of occupation, 47 years of oppression and 47 years of a system that has become a system of segregation and apartheid and discrimination against Palestinians. With a level of racism that's reached a point where an Israeli member of the stands up in Israeli parliament and says we should kill all Palestinian women so that they would not be able to give birth to children.

This is totally unacceptable. Israeli is the last colonial system in modern history. Israeli is the last apartheid system in modern history. The road to peace... I want demilitarisation completely but that should also include Israel and Israel cannot have 400 nuclear heads and the fourth largest military in the world, attack Palestinians, kill them and deny Palestinians the right to resist occupation and the right to defend themselves. That's unacceptable.

EMMA ALBERICI: Can I ask you politically, what is your relationship to Hamas?

MUSTAFA BARGHOUTI: I have no particular relationship to Hamas, I am a Palestinian independent politician leading a party that is independent from both Hamas and Fatah. But we are calling for democracy and for the right of participation of all parties and that there should be free democratic elections without Israeli dictation.

We are calling for the establishment of an independent Palestinian State for Two-State solution and Israel is refusing. Up till now Israel is the only country in the world that has not declared its borders. And because of that...

EMMA ALBERICI: Can I ask you...

MUSTAFA BARGHOUTI: ...we cannot have a Palestinian State.

EMMA ALBERICI: Can I ask you do you...

MUSTAFA BARGHOUTI: ...Israel is the only country in the world that is occupying another people and oppressing them. Yes please.

EMMA ALBERICI: Do you support the Hamas military campaign, its tactics for attacking Israel?

MUSTAFA BARGHOUTI: I... ma'am, you will not embarrass me with this question because I'm well known as the person who is advocating non-violence in Palestine and I'm against all forms of violence and we organised a march in Ramallah which was the best march ever with 25,000 people, peacefully marching, demanding the end of aggression on Gaza and demanding free access to Jerusalem to go and pray there.

The Israeli army - and this march was done in the best traditions of Martin Luther King and Ghandi, which I advocate.

They encountered us with gunshots. That happened in the West Bank, in Ramallah, not in Gaza.

There was no Hamas, no tunnels, no rockets - peaceful march and we were encountered with gunshots and the Israeli army killed 10 people and injured 211 with high velocity bullets. This is unacceptable.

Dehumanising Palestinians as if they are terrorists while Israel is practising the worst form of terrorism and massacres is unacceptable.

You just said it, your statement, your statistics are clear. On the Israeli side there are 53 soldiers killed, they were killed while they were invading Gaza, inside Gaza and three civilian Israelis killed and I don't want any of them to be killed.

But on the Palestinian side there are 1,160 Palestinians killed, 90 per cent of them are civilians, women and children. Including pregnant women who were shot and killed...

EMMA ALBERICI: Tell us about...

MUSTAFA BARGHOUTI: ...what's happening in Gaza is a massacre.

EMMA ALBERICI: Tell us about the Hamas tunnels that have so infuriated the Israeli Government, what are their purpose?

MUSTAFA BARGHOUTI: These tunnels are inside Gaza, they are not outside Gaza. And think...

EMMA ALBERICI: But they lead to Israel, if I understand correctly?

MUSTAFA BARGHOUTI: No , no, no, no, they were created inside Gaza and after Israel attacked the Gaza three times, Israel attacked Gaza in 2006, Israel attacked Gaza in 2008, and Israel attacked Gaza in 2012.

In 2008 Israel killed 1,400 Palestinians including 450 children. In 2012 Israel killed 500 Palestinians, of them 150 were children. So these tunnels were some act of self-defence. They are primitive because Israel has the most powerful army in the region versus a group that is having only primitive means and that's why, of course, they use rockets but these are these psychological instruments mainly. I don't want them to be used, we don't want any form of violence.

But to end of all that, to end this war there is one way. It's very simple - that Israel accepts the right of the Palestinian people to be free. The right of the Palestinian people to have an independent State. The right of the Palestinian people not to be slaves, to an Israeli apartheid system.

EMMA ALBERICI: I beg your pardon. You would be aware that they are prepared to do so on the precondition that Gaza is demilitarised given the disproportionate strength between the two sides, is the Palestinian side suggesting that to demilitarise will simply leave you open to more attacks because of course Israel says once Gaza is demilitarised the fighting will end?

MUSTAFA BARGHOUTI: Okay, let Israel accept an act of demilitarisation of Gaza Strip and the southern part of Gaza so both sides will not be able to attack each other. I think that would be fair.

But to have a powerful army that can kill Palestinian constantly and Palestinians have no right to defend themselves is unacceptable. I don't think Australia would accept that. How would you feel if somebody comes to you and say now you have to evacuate half of Sydney because we will bombard it if you don't leave your homes. That's exactly what's happening today in Gaza. People are told to leave. Within hours if they don't leave they bombard them with tanks and with artillery and the outcome is civilian population killed. I don't want conflict. We are asking for peaceful resolution. We've been in negotiations with Israel for 21 years.

EMMA ALBERICI: Indeed.

MUSTAFA BARGHOUTI: And who failed them? Israel.

Who stopped Mr Kerry's effort? Israel.

Who stopped the negotiations? Israel.

Why Israel is able to do so because it's allowed to be impunitive to international law. Because so many countries still buy the Israeli narrative when deep down, deep down they all know that Israel is the aggressor and Israel is the cause of this problem.

EMMA ALBERICI: Even the independent arbiter at the UN, the UN's High Commissioner for Human Rights Navi Pillay, has condemned the practice of locating military assets in densely populated areas and to launch attacks from such areas, that's of course Hamas. To do so, she says, may well constitute a war crime.

MUSTAFA BARGHOUTI: I think there are many war crimes committed today in Gaza and the biggest of them is to attack an area that is very small, densely populated, the most densely populated area in the world and attack it with air strikes, with artillery and with gunships...

EMMA ALBERICI: But do you concede her point?

MUSTAFA BARGHOUTI: ...that's exactly what Israel is doing. And by the way, by the way, we have just...

EMMA ALBERICI: Pardon my interruption, do you concede her point about where Hamas is locating its military equipment? In densely populated areas.

MUSTAFA BARGHOUTI: I don't know where Hamas is locating it's military equipment, but I know one thing...

EMMA ALBERICI: But you said earlier, pardon me but you did say earlier that it wasn't true to suggest they were in civilian areas. Now you're saying you don't know. Which one is it?

MUSTAFA BARGHOUTI: No, what you are saying madam, is that the Israeli army can kill people and then accuse the victims of being responsible for their killing. As one Israeli minister said, Palestinians are conducting self-genocide. It is unacceptable to blame the victims for the fact that they are killed instead of blaming Israel and by the way, we the Palestinians are about to sign our own statute and we will go to the International Criminal Court and we are ready to accept an independent commission to investigate and we are ready to go to the International Criminal Court and all those who committed war crimes should be brought to justice.

I am sure one day Netanyahu and his ministers and those who are taking the actions now in Gaza will be presented to the International Criminal Court for their war crimes that they are conducting against Palestinian people.

The big question that has to be asked, how can we stop all of this? There is one simple way to end occupation. The whole world agrees that Palestinians should have an independent, peaceful State. Who is objecting to that? Who is preventing that? It's the Government of Mr Netanyahu who has the most racist ministers.

EMMA ALBERICI: Well Mr Netanyahu has told the Palestinians before you can have peace with Hamas or peace with Israel but not both. If you want a Two-State solution why continue to support an organisation which doesn't even recognise Israel's right to exist?

MUSTAFA BARGHOUTI: And why does he have people who are clear racists and illegal settlers in his Government? He cannot tell us whom we should have as our leaders and we cannot tell him who he should have in his cabinet as leaders. But let me remind you, before Mr Netanyahu objected to the Palestinian reconciliation, he was specifically saying, and you can check that, he was saying I cannot make peace with Mr Abbas, I cannot make peace with the Palestinian leadership because they are not unified, because Mr Abbas cannot represent all Palestinians.

When Palestinians make a reconciliation, which was welcomed by the whole world including by the United States, by the way, he said I can't make peace with them because now they are unified. What does he want?

He doesn't want Two-State solution because he wants to continue illegal settlements. He doesn't want one-State solution where people can live together in equal rights...

EMMA ALBERICI: He doesn't want to speak to Hamas because he thinks they are a terrorist organisation.

MUSTAFA BARGHOUTI: ...and in democracy. No, Mr Netanyahu does not want to allow Palestinians to have independence and freedom. He wants - he prefers settlements to peace. He prefers illegal settlers to Palestinians right for freedom. He prefers war to peace and now he's preferring the continuation of this military attack and oppression of Palestinians to ceasefire that we are all proposing, including Hamas and all other groups.

Let him answer why is he refusing the UN proposal that is made now for a truce for 72 hours and then negotiate a complete ceasefire, why is he rejecting that? Why is Israelis refusing ceasefire? Because it wants to continue its aggression.

EMMA ALBERICI: We're out of time but I thank you so much for joining us this evening, Mustafa Barghouti.


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I thought New York Times was an anti-war liberal paper? That's what Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh say. It's so great that both left and right can be bipartisan on such an important issue such as Israel's right to defend itself from huddling and terrified crowds of women and children inside UN schools.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/19/op...Gaza.html?_r=0

Israel’s War in Gaza

By THE EDITORIAL BOARD JULY 18, 2014

After 10 days of aerial bombardment, Israel sent tanks and ground troops into Gaza to keep Hamas from pummeling Israeli cities with rockets and carrying out terrorist attacks via underground tunnels. LYING KIKES The tragedy is that innocent civilians on both sides of the border are paying the price, once again, and that military action will not guarantee long-term stability or peace. 3 Israelis vs more than 1,000 Palestinians


There was no way Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was going to tolerate the Hamas bombardments, which are indiscriminately lobbed at Israeli population centers. Nor should he.
ROCKETS CAME AFTER ISRAEL STARTED BOMBING GAZA FOR VIRTUALLY NO REASON. Hamas has a right to defend itself! As President Obama said on Friday, “No nation should accept rockets being fired into its borders, or terrorists tunneling into its territory.”

Well over 1,000 rockets have fallen on Israel since July 8, and they have reached farther than ever, threatening Tel Aviv and beyond. Only two Israelis have died (a civilian was killed by mortar shells from Gaza as he distributed food to soldiers near the border on Tuesday, Israel using its civilians as human shields and an Israeli soldier may have been killed by friendly fire at the start of the ground offensive), but Israeli citizens are running for cover from incoming rockets. Hamas can’t defeat Israelis, so it tries to terrorize them. Is that why the casualty rate, despite massive gaps in technology, is almost equal between Hamas and the IDF? Is that why Israel is resorting to bombing hospitals and power plants to terrorize the Palestinians into turning on Hamas?


Innocent Palestinians are being killed and brutalized: four Palestinians boys playing on a beach; four children playing on a rooftop; a rehabilitation hospital, all destroyed by Israeli firepower. The United Nations says that of the more than 260 Palestinians killed, three-quarters were civilians, including more than 50 children.



Hamas leaders deserve condemnation for storing and launching rockets in heavily populated areas, cynically knowing they will draw Israeli fire to places where civilians live and play.
They must get their information from the same source Meg Kafka got hers. Hamas is apparently hiding their rockets on public beaches and UN schools. Still, in a call with Mr. Netanyahu, Mr. Obama was right to express concern about the “risks of further escalation and the loss of more innocent life.”

Military action, however, is not a long-term solution, as Israeli operations in 2012 and 2008-9 showed. Israel seized Gaza in 1967 and withdrew in 2005. It is hard to see how re-occupation would serve Israel’s interests.Always about what's in the interest of Israel. What about what's in the interest of Palestinians?

The best solution remains a peace agreement between Israel and the Palestinian Authority, headed by the Fatah faction, which operates in the West Bank. (Hamas runs Gaza, where 1.7 million Palestinians live.) American-mediated negotiations between Israel and the Palestinian Authority failed in April. After that, Mahmoud Abbas, the Palestinian president, reached a reconciliation agreement with Hamas, which has lost support in Egypt and elsewhere in the Arab world. That moment could have been a chance to erode Hamas’s political standing further and boost Palestinian moderates like Mr. Abbas.

The agreement created a government that had no Hamas members, reaffirmed the Palestinian Authority’s longstanding commitment to living in peace with Israel, and would have given the authority a foothold in Gaza. But Israel opposed the reconciliation agreement and, according to Nathan Thrall of the International Crisis Group, the United States and Europe undermined it, which led to the current crisis.

Without a political strategy, another cease-fire may be the most anyone can hope for at this moment. But Hamas leaders have rejected one proposed in the past week by Egypt and are demanding better terms. Yeah ridiculous terms like lifting the illegal Israeli military's embargo on Gaza, essentially shutting it off from the world Meanwhile, Palestinian civilians suffer the consequences. Don't you see goyim. Palestinian children dying via Jewish terror bombing is all Hamas' fault.

Meet the New York Times Rabbinate, I mean, editorial board



Andrew Rosenthal, Editor



Terry Tang, Deputy Editorial Page Editor Elite cultural Marxist handpicked by Rosenthal





Robert B. Semple, Jr Associate Editor (Jew, pedophile, or faggot? Or all 3?)




David Firestone, Projects Editor, National Politics, the White House and Congress




Francis X. Clines, National Politics, Congress, Campaign Finance possible Jew. It's noteworthy that he is famous for writing an article literally honoring a Shabbos Goy: http://www.nytimes.com/1995/10/01/us...y-goes-on.html



Carol Giacomo, Foreign Affairs Nice Italian name. Too bad Carol is in fact a kike herself and a supporter/member of J-street, but man are Jews clever to get her to use a pseudo-name or married name and put her in charge of foreign affairs.



Mira Kamdar, International Affairs Possibly not jewish, but still unsure. She is born in France.




Juliet Lapidos, Culture
Jew and in-house name in other Zionist newspapers.



Eleanor Randolph, New York State, Northeast Region, Media Shabbos Goy to write about irrelevant local issues in a city Jews already control.



Dorothy Samuels, Law, Civil Rights, National Affairs Jew coming out its pores. Its grandma died recently:
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Frieda D. Kirschner (nee Dolin), age 92, died June 27, 2014. Beloved wife of Hyman "Tiny" Kirschner (deceased); dear sister of Nathan Dolin, Dorothy Samuels, Manuel Dolin, Pearl Lorber, Ray Packer and Jean Heller (all deceased); cherished aunt, great aunt and great-great aunt; dearly loved cousin and friend. Graveside services will be held in Zion Memorial Park (Temple Beth El section), 5461 Northfield Rd., Bedford Hts. on June 30 at 12:30 p.m. The family requests no visitation.




Serge Schmemann, International Affairs Jew who likes to write lots of books about how great Jews are.




Brent Staples, Education, Criminal Justice, Economics How do we educumate niggers, schvarze? Great uncle Tom to mask the reality of the "editorial board", keep him busy nigsplaining why niggers are violent and dumb.



Masaru Tamamoto, International Affairs Minds his own business, focuses on harmless Asian affairs.



Jesse Wegman, The Supreme Court, Legal Affairs Jew and in 2010 was named George Soros Justice Fellow



Teresa Tritch, Economic Issues, Tax PolicyRandom clueless German broad.



Philip M. Boffey, Science



Vikas Bajaj, Business, International Economics





Lawrence Downes, Immigration, Veterans Issues Mystery meat, but don't think he's Jewish
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Gaza 72-hour ceasefire lasts less than 72 minutes as Israeli tanks open fire and kill four Palestinians


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  • Truce started at 8am local time (6am BST) and will give Gazans humanitarian relief and time to bury the dead
  • U.S. secretary of state John Kerry warned there were 'no guarantees' that the lull would bring an end to war
  • Palestinian death toll soars past 1,450 - surpassing number killed in Israel's last major invasion of Gaza in 2008/9
  • US and UN say they had received assurances that all parties to conflict have agreed to unconditional ceasefire
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Over 2,500 views? Nice.

Hey lurking readers! Here are your hard-earned tax dollars at work. For Israel, that is. Your taxes paid for those bombs that are being used to murder innocent civilians.

The U.S. says they want peace while they are busy re-arming the Israelis. It's laughable.

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July 31, 2014 12:12 AM

Washington (AFP) - The United States confirmed it had restocked Israel's supplies of ammunition, hours after finally sharpening its tone to condemn an attack on a United Nations school in Gaza.

But while both the White House and the State Department condemned the shelling of the UN-run school in the Jabaliya refugee camp in northern Gaza in which at least 16 Palestinians were killed, neither would assign blame to staunch US ally Israel.

"Obviously nothing justifies the killing of innocent civilians seeking shelter in a UN facility," deputy State Department spokeswoman Marie Harf acknowledged, in some of the toughest US comments since the start of the 23-day fighting in the Gaza Strip.

"Innocent Palestinians seeking refuge in these schools should not have shells dropped on them, should not come under attack."

The UN agency for Palestinian refugees UNRWA said Israeli forces had hit the school, which had been sheltering some 3,300 Gazans.

But despite heated exchanges with reporters, Harf stressed that "we don't know for certain who shelled this school, we need to get all the facts."

National Security Council spokeswoman Bernadette Meehan also
condemned "those responsible for hiding weapons in United Nations facilities in Gaza" and warned of rising fears that thousands of Palestinians who have been told by Israel to leave their homes increasingly had nowhere to go in the blockaded narrow coastal strip.

US officials also warned that patience with "crazy" Israeli criticism of would-be-peacemaker John Kerry had snapped.

- New ammunition for Israel -

The Pentagon confirmed the Israeli military had requested additional ammunition to restock its dwindling supplies on July 20, with the US Defense Department approving the sale just three days later.

"The United States is committed to the security of Israel, and it is vital to US national interests to assist Israel to develop and maintain a strong and ready self-defense capability," Pentagon spokesman Rear Admiral John Kirby said in a statement.

"This defense sale is consistent with those objectives."


Two of the requested munitions came from a little-known stockpile of ammunition stored by the US military on the ground in Israel for emergency use by the Jewish state. The War Reserve Stockpile Ammunition-Israel is estimated to be worth $1 billion.

The decision to provide ammunition to Israel could fuel controversy, coming just as Washington expresses growing concern about the deaths of more than 1,300 Palestinians, most of them civilians, since the Israeli operation began on July 8.

Kirby said Pentagon chief Chuck Hagel told his Israeli counterpart that the United States was concerned about the deadly consequences of the spiraling conflict, including a "worsening humanitarian situation" in Gaza, and called for a ceasefire and end to hostilities.

He also renewed calls for the disarmament of Gaza's Hamas rulers and "all terrorist groups."

Relations between Israel and its staunch ally the United States have plunged in recent days after Kerry returned from a mission to the Middle East to try to broker a ceasefire between the Israelis and Hamas militants.

Anonymous Israeli officials have hit out at Kerry's truce proposal, calling it "a strategic terrorist attack" and criticizing it for being a "Hamas wish-list" including moves to lift a long-standing Israeli blockade of Gaza while failing to address Israel's security concerns, such as Hamas rocket fire and a network of underground tunnels.

And on Tuesday a fabricated transcript of a call between US President Barack Obama and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu went viral on social media.

- Out to hurt ties? -

Stressing the "unprecedented" US support for the Jewish state, Harf hit out at Israeli elites' "offensive and absurd" claims that Kerry backs Hamas.

She rubbished the fake transcript as "complete crap," adding "there's clearly people... who are putting out false and defamatory and absurd information."

"I don't know what else you can assume about the intentions except that they’re designed to hurt our relationship," she added.

Washington, which has provided billions in military aid to Israel, including funding the Iron Dome shield protecting the country from Hamas rockets, was "very committed" to the security of the Jewish state, which is "why these vicious attacks on the secretary are just crazy," she added.

And US lawmakers are working on a package of additional military support from Washington to commit $225 million for the Iron Dome missile defense shield.

More than 100 people died in Israeli strikes across Gaza Wednesday, medics said, including 17 at a crowded marketplace, sending the Palestinian toll from the 23 days of fighting to 1,363.

On the Israeli side, the conflict has cost the lives of 56 Israeli soldiers, and two civilians
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Over 2,500 views? Nice.

Hey lurking readers! Here are your hard-earned tax dollars at work. For Israel, that is. Your taxes paid for those bombs that are being used to murder innocent civilians.

The U.S. says they want peace while they are busy re-arming the Israelis. It's laughable.


Be careful, the jew might think VNN is competing with them.

The jew looks at the their score 1,500 dead and may get a little jealous.

You paying attention lurkers?

Those numbers really put the nature of the jew in perspective.

To the jew, life is really that cheap.
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I'm sure that the US and the EU will giving sanctions to Israel soon.
 
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I'm sure that the US and the EU will giving sanctions to Israel soon.

The SPLC and ADL are far more likely to produce one of their Intelligence Hate Reports about the 2,500 views of this thread. It is not unlikely that the SPLC and ACL will report each view as an incident of "hate".

But that how it is when fat ass Heidi Beirich needs some new eating cloths. Her old eating cloths are getting a little too snug.
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The Times of Israel is under fire on Friday after publishing a blog post titled “When Genocide Is Permissible.” The post, written by Yochanon Gordon, was quickly removed from the Times’ website, but cached and screen-captured versions of the piece quickly proliferated on social media.

In the article, Gordon blasts the United Nations for its recent admonition against the “disproportionate” use of force by Israel in Gaza, insisting that international observers “are completely out of touch with the nature of this foe and are therefore not qualified to dictate or enforce the rules of this war.”

Because of the supposedly unique menace that Hamas presents to Israel, Gordon contends that “nothing … can be considered disproportionate when we are fighting for our very right to live.”

He continues later on in the piece:

Hamas has stated forthrightly that it idealizes death as much as Israel celebrates life. What other way then is there to deal with an enemy of this nature other than obliterate them completely?

News anchors such as those from CNN, BBC and Al-Jazeera have not missed an opportunity to point out the majority of innocent civilians who have lost their lives as a result of this war. But anyone who lives with rocket launchers installed or terror tunnels burrowed in or around the vicinity of their home cannot be considered an innocent civilian.

And then concludes by asking the following rhetorical question:

If political leaders and military experts determine that the only way to achieve its goal of sustaining quiet is through genocide is it then permissible to achieve those responsible goals?

You can read a full version of the article here.

Gordon does not cite any “political leaders and military experts” who have called for the genocide of Palestinians in Gaza. However, recent weeks have seen a spate of hard-line Israel supporters in the media aggressively justifying Israel’s campaign in Gaza, which has already claimed the lives of nearly 1,500 Palestinians, many of them civilians.


http://www.salon.com/2014/08/01/geno..._israel_op_ed/

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Watched Charlie Rose, who normally is positively fawning over anything related to Israel, actually become visibly & verbally pissed during an interview with Ron Dermer, the Israeli ambassador to the United States, when Dermer asserted that the Israelis were not targeting civilians.

Israel is committing ongoing war crimes with weapons paid for by the American taxpayer.

You bomb a hospital, that's a war crime. You shell kids playing on the beach, that's a war crime. You target a school the United Nations has given you the GPS coordinated to as a safe-haven for non-combatants seventeen fucking times, that's a war crime. You shell a crowded market during a "cease fire", that's a war crime.

The entire world is watching this.

And in case you're wondering lurking reader, Dermer did indeed bring up Adolph Hitler during his interview on Charlie Rose. Surreal.
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ALL THE JEW-BOUGHT political hacks of Congress and the White House were there cheering on the Jewish slaughter of Gaza.

It was a grand occasion at the National Jewish Leaders Assembly on July 28, 2014 where the main topic was the massacre of Gazan civilians by the American-enabled Israeli military.

Keynote speaker was Jew-owned Susan Rice (professionally inept and morally bankrupt) who chalked up future credits from her Jewish owners (slave trade agents) with words to mollify Jewish guilt of bloodshed in Gaza.

“In a land where, in the haunting phrase of Yitzhak Rabin, ‘parents bury their children,’ today is a time of worry for all who care about Israel. Our commitment to protect Israel’s qualitative military edge remains absolute,” Rice told her bloodthirsty audience.



One wonders if parents in Gaza can even find their dead children under the rubble left by Jewish bombs PAID FOR by America.

For in Jew-bombed Gaza, Palestinian parents don’t get a chance to “bury” their children.

And one might be tempted to ask Jew-owned, hateful-looking Rice if perhaps it’s a time to “worry” and “care” about the civilians in Gaza mowed down by Jewish bombs?

How could that be? They’re Arabs, not Jews.

For Jewmerica ONLY cares about “Jewish lives” while Palestinian cattle in Gaza are herded en masse for the slaughter.

Next in the lineup of Jewish arse-kissers, and scoring points for his future political ambitions with media & monied American Jewry, was House Speaker, John Boehner.

“In times like this, people try to isolate Israel, vomited out Boehner, “but we are here to stand with Israel. Israel’s enemies are our enemies.”




THIS IS WHY America is in trouble.

To render children, women, and elderly Palestinians in Gaza as America’s “enemies,” (for they surely are the ‘enemies’ of hateful Jews), then Jewmerica has lost its conscience and is beholden to bloodthirsty Jewish policies.

Just this past week, the Jewnited States of Jewmerica has allowed Israel, while waging its massacre of Gazan civilians, to tap a US arms stockpile to resupply it with grenades and mortar rounds.

“Stop Killing People!” is now an anti-Semitic message, according to Israel-Firster, Abe Foxman of the ADL.

And Rabbi Abraham Cooper of the Simon Wiesenthal Center whines that it is Hamas’ fault that people all over the world are beginning to passionately hate Israel.

AMERICA IS NOT its own. It’s been bought with a price. That price is selling its soul to Christ-hating, humanity-hating, neurotic, dysfunctional, detestable Jews.

Woe to your country when its rulers are Jews!

They murdered God on the Cross and now they’re murdering America!
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Kikebook is also on board with the slaughter as they target Gaza accounts.

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Facebook targets Gaza-run accounts: activists





GAZA CITY: A group of politicians and academics in the Gaza Strip have accused Facebook of deliberately suspending their accounts to silence Palestinian criticism of the Israeli assault on the coastal enclave.

“What the Facebook administration is doing by removing pages belonging to Palestinians without prior notice is hostile and strange,” Adnan Abu Amer, a professor in Gaza’s Ummah University, told Anadolu Agency Thursday.

Abu Amer said Facebook closed his page twice within the past week. “The only explanation for these acts is a willingness to help Israel impose its version of events by barring Palestinians’ accounts.”

“Nothing I ever wrote on my page could be considered instigative,” Abu Amer said. “I post analytical commentary on the ongoing events, which does not violate Facebook’s rules in any way.”

A day earlier, Moussa Abu Marzouq, a leading member of Hamas in Gaza, said on a newly setup Facebook page that his previous account, which has over 20,000 followers, has also been abruptly suspended by the social networking site.

“I am angered at this strange policy of barring and removing Facebook accounts which violates the right to freedom of expression,” Abu Marzouq said.

Other Hamas members and activists in the embattled Gaza Strip have recently voiced similar complaints. “Palestinian pages on Facebook have helped expose Israel’s crimes in Gaza by merely posting facts and footage which demonstrate the monstrosity of Israeli attacks on civilians,” Abu Amer said.

Social media, including Facebook, has become a battleground between Israel and Palestinians in the Gaza Strip, political analyst Nazeer Magali argued.


“ Israel wants its version of events to be the only one reaching the outside world,” Magali said. “The Israeli lobby is pressuring media outlets in the U.S. to adopt Israel’s viewpoint and disregard the Palestinian one. Facebook pages run by Palestinians from the Gaza Strip are under attack because they were able to draw solidarity with Gaza’s plight from people all over the world by exposing Israel’s brutality against women and children.”

The Facebook administration has yet to respond to a request for comment by Anadolu Agency.
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