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Old March 17th, 2009 #21
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So does this include home made porn made in private between man and wife? Or porn made between two consenting adults for their own sexual pleasure? Where is the line drawn? I am a female and well will watch my own home made porno in the bedroom with my man but have no need for other porno.
 
Old March 17th, 2009 #22
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So does this include home made porn made in private between man and wife?
If it feeds into the culture of mass porn [in other words if you think you've a "right" to sell your porn to all and sundry], then yes.

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Or porn made between two consenting adults...
You mean like the majority of commercial porn out there?

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Where is the line drawn?
I don't see where the blurriness is in the first place. I have expressed pretty simply in my first post that I'm opposed to mass porn.

I didn't add any provisos about "consenting adults" and "privacy" which is what most PC-Leftists use to argue in favour of porn.

Even the most loathsome of Jews are free to think what they want inside their own head (this is a simple matter of practicality). Once they try to disseminate their ideas to the wider community, that's where the buck stops. That's the way I see amateur porn material also.

(Incidentally the abortion debate is framed in terms of "privacy" but really it is about community values.)
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Old March 17th, 2009 #23
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Ah fuck here we go with some limperterian bullshit.

Come on. Porn mainlined via the internet is what promotes submissiveness and weakness. Its also a cash cow for the Jewish porn producer and peddler, who is usually the most loathsome jewish type from what I can tell. Cutting this trade down would be cutting major money out of the pockets of Jews.

http://www.forbes.com/2001/05/25/0524porn.html

How big? Some say 10 - 14 BILLION IN ANNUAL SALES. Forbes says ONLY 3.9 billion Not a small number.

As for any white guys doing all the macho crap lets get realistic. Years of macho talk have got WN nowhere.

I dont want the same people who started the problem to "save" us. If you can ban porn as "immoral" you can ban "hate" too. Free Speech in the USA is something most White countries sadly dont have. Its hanging by a thread here. We dont need to push it over the edge
What Jews make in porn is nothing compared to what they make in "legitimate business", why the interest on the national debt the Jew International bankers make each year alone dwarfs it, and do I have to even mention the tidal wave of sheckles flowing into their pockets with each "bailout"?
Of course, if those pig porno princes ended up with a third eye carved in their deformed foreheads I would not lose too much sleep, but I dont look to the state as doing anything but trying to use this to extinguish "hate"
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Old March 17th, 2009 #24
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So does this include home made porn made in private between man and wife? Or porn made between two consenting adults for their own sexual pleasure? Where is the line drawn? I am a female and well will watch my own home made porno in the bedroom with my man but have no need for other porno.


Thats my point. The irony is that the increasing availibility of this might actually indercut the porn industry anyhow
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Old March 17th, 2009 #25
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If you can ban porn as "immoral" you can ban "hate" too.
Yet another believer in the flawed "rights" paradigm. I'm sorry but the right to free dissemination of porn will be around long after "race-hate" has been deemed an illegal "abuse of free speech".

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Free Speech in the USA is something most White countries sadly dont have.
Most of Europe has "anti-race-hate" and/or "Holocaust-denial" laws but porn is still fully legal. Your theory does not hold water.
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Old March 17th, 2009 #26
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Thats my point. The irony is that the increasing availibility of this might actually indercut the porn industry anyhow
my point is the image of your swarthy face would undercut the porn industry.
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my point is the image of your swarthy face would undercut the porn industry.
Yeah Tinkerbelle, somehow the young hotties don't notice. But than what would you know about young hotties unless they have a sausage attached to them?
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Yeah Tinkerbelle, somehow the young hotties don't notice. But than what would you know about young hotties unless they have a sausage attached to them?
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Yet another believer in the flawed "rights" paradigm. I'm sorry but the right to free dissemination of porn will be around long after "race-hate" has been deemed an illegal "abuse of free speech".



Most of Europe has "anti-race-hate" and/or "Holocaust-denial" laws but porn is still fully legal. Your theory does not hold water.
Yes it does, Europe does not have real free speech. Hence there is no need to use the precedent created by porn laws to abolish free speech guarantees, because they dont have them in the sense that we do. Europes Statist- Socialist constitutions allow speech to be "regulated" even if it is peaceful free expression based on its "social desirability"
This is why the interracialist virus has been so much more virulent there despite the much smaller numbers of muds, people have a tradition of submotting to authority rather than the American revolutionary tradition, though that has been badly eroded of course
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Old March 18th, 2009 #31
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Europes Statist- Socialist constitutions allow speech to be "regulated" even if it is peaceful free expression based on its "social desirability"
The end result of all this rhetoric is that you agree with porn as free speech. Also, you hold the Freemason Constitution as some sort of pure ideal, superior to all other Constitutions, which it is not.

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This is why the interracialist virus has been so much more virulent there despite the much smaller numbers of muds
Has it? Not really.

The average US State is at least as race-mixed as the average European one, if not more so.

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there is no need to use the precedent created by porn laws to abolish free speech guarantees, because they dont have them in the sense that we do.
But what you don't realise is that in the 1950s and other periods of time, porn was not considered free speech. The "right" to free dissemination of porn has not always been there.

The "precedent" you speak of is only a recent invention - arising in the last 50 years or so.

The right to mass porn has not protected anything worthwhile, spoken or otherwise. Forms of dissenting expression have prospered long before porn was deemed "Constitutionally protected".
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Old March 18th, 2009 #32
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The Free Speech Coalition opposes the .XXX TLD

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In 2004, after several membership and Board meetings, the Board of Directors of The Free Speech Coalition voted to formally oppose the creation of an adult TLD, a position it maintains to this day. The Free Speech Coalition opposes .XXX because:

* .XXX Will Not Create a Framework to Protect Children – Even its most enthusiastic supporters acknowledge that a voluntary .XXX will not provide an effective mechanism for keeping adult content away from minors.

* There Is No Compelling Need For .XXX – Other than financial benefit to ICM Registry and its investors, there is no compelling need or business model that necessitates the creation of .XXX.

* .XXX Will Lead To The “Ghettoization” of Protected Speech – By its very existence, .XXX will segregate content-based speech and create a framework that could lead easily to government or private sector censorship, establishing an international precedent by which other content-based speech could be similarly segregated and regulated.

* .XXX Will be Regulated, Not Self-Regulated – A supporting organization, IFFOR, will set all policies that .XXX domain holders will be required to obey. A majority of IFFOR Board of Directors will come from outside the industry, thus creating a regulatory, rather than self-regulatory, framework.

* .XXX Does Not Have The Support of the Adult Industry – Contrary to statements made by ICM Registry and others, the overwhelming majority of adult entertainment companies do not support the creation of .XXX.

* .KIDS Would Provide a Far More Effective Solution – Instead of herding protected speech into a “virtual ghetto,” a content-positive .KIDS TLD should be created where children can find child-friendly websites, making it far easier for parents to filter .KIDS in than it will be for them to filter adult content out!

* Foreign Governments Oppose .XXX – An increasing number of foreign governments have voiced their opposition to .XXX. In fact, rather than endorsing .XXX, the European Union recently proposed the creation of a .kids top-level domain.

* Repressive Governments Will Engage in State-Sponsored Filtering: Many governments currently restrict the types of websites available to their citizens by utilizing filtering technologies. .XXX will provide these governments with yet another, more effective tool to control what their citizens can access, in effect, censoring speech for an entire country.
CNET report on ICANN approval of .XXX domain, before the "Porn as Free Speech" lobby came down like a tonne of bricks
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I would argue what is the difference between the brothel prostitute and the Internet porn prostitute.
In social terms, if you consider paid sex a vice, then in the one case you have paid sex between two persons. In the other case, you have paid sex between two persons, leveraged by the mass media into paid sex between two persons, peddled to thousands or milions of users. So, the mass media leveraging of porn, the big effects across millions of people and generations-- thats what I am more concerned about, not two people getting it on for a few dollars. Perhaps, if one were tolerated, the other might be less tolerated.

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Also, if you have legalised prostitution it's going to be hard to justify a ban on porn.
Do you think so? I am not so sure about that. I am thinking of Nevada for many long decades when prostitution was in fact legal at the same time that obscenity was not.

I have heard that there were brothels in Franco's Spain but porn was suppressed. Certainly in Europe through the centuries there were other examples and I have no idea about the Muslim world but considering their religious iconoclasm I would expect them to be even more prohibitive of images and less so of the sex itself.

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I don't think this is a "reaction" to Puritanism as a movement in and of itself. It's like feminists blaming "male chauvinists" to justify their existence. Eh, not really. It's an instinct in itself

When I use that word I use it carefully and I mean it in the specific sense as a religious deriavative of Calvin's experiment with blue laws "Instituted" in Geneva and copied by the Puritans in England. The English kicked these laws out with the Puritans and the Jacobin levellers when they restored the monarchy. The Puritans brought their Judaizing zeal, their tikkun-olaming desire to "fix the world" with them to America. They or their heirs instituted the abomination called "abolition" which is the great grandparent of "civil rights." Also they were ultimately responsible for "enfranchisement" of women as well as negroes-- hence of one of the strains of feminism before Steneim and her pack of Jewesses-- and also alcohol prohibition too. If you look into Evanston Illinois for example, it was in the time of Prohibition the home of the WCTU and not yet a Jew haven, but an old stock WASP one. So I use the word "puritannical" intentionally and affirm what I said in light of this explanation.

When we hit on Jews for this and that, its not just on the basis of actual Jews in recent history, but also the influence of Judaizing creeds. I am a Roman Catholic and I take Calvinism as a Judaizing heresy of Christianity, that attempted to "go back to the early Church before the pagan Romans took it over" etc etc etc. I grew up with that Reformed/ Presbyterian mindset and have rejected it. Experience has taught me that Roman Catholics and Greek or Russian Orthodox have a more forgiving attitude towards vice, on the one hand, and on the other hand, are more moderate in their political ideas and do not fly off under ideological brands like "free speech" into some idiotic social policy that will not work. Americans, God bless us, are more Protestant-like, and hence more subject to one ideology or another, which leaves us liable to the Jew word manipulators. We need to be tied more to our roots, more to our history, and more to our own political forms that predated the Enlightenment with its idolatrous enthronement of socalled "reason" and its liberalizing enfranchisement of Jewry.
 
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Tommy, part of what I am driving at, is that the Puritan heritage of America, makes us more willing to embark on crazy shifts of legal policy which represent drastic departures from past years. We can turn our policy ship on a dime, because of the American's willingness to twist his brain into knots over religious ideas.

Americans are thus essentially NOT conservative and we never have been. What is conservative? Aristocratic, monarchichal, Catholic/Orthodox Europe, thats what. A social order overturned by the Reformation and French and other such like Revolutions.

The Enlightenment fancy was that you could impose a "better" idea of how society should be-- that you just thought up overnight-like, in place of a time tested method of how society really was. So, you could just say the caste system was unjust, toss it overboard, and voila here you now will all follow the Roussevian egalitarian fancy. Or Marxist, whatever. Except humans are caste animals and every society forms castes.

Same thing alcohol and sex. I am not a prohibitionist.

At the same time I am not a prohibitionist, I have no problem with reasonable social regulation of vices. The Jewish-befuddled brains of the "liberterians" are under another rationalistic social ideology that rejects all this. More stupid Judaizing horseshit. The Jew jumps up and down and whips you with his "slippery slope" arguments that are, always total bullshit. Slipperly slope! They cry. Its annoying. In the case of "porn as free speech," this is essentially what has happened. Its as if they repealed prohibition of booze and then decided, while they were at it, that anybody could sell everclear whenever and whereever they wanted without a license, and that booze was just like any other kind of sustenance. That's what the Jews are telling us, that porn is just like any other speech. Bullshit! No it isnt. Its different and has different social effects. Anybody with a brain not whipped into submission by Jewish commissars from the ACLU can see that.

So, to summarize, lets be realistic observers of human behavior, be willing to regulate vice appropriately, but do not impose more harm with our laws than we seek to eliminate with any sort of draconian foolishness.

I would take the same approach to drugs by the way.
 
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I have heard that there were brothels in Franco's Spain but porn was suppressed. ...
As you know, I lived in Franco's Spain for a couple of years. Yes, there were brothels a-plenty. The only city where they operated completely openly that I saw was Barcelona. Of course, I only went near that area to strongly grimace and express my disapproval.

Any porn, including the mild pictures in Playboy at that time (1969 -- 1971) were strictly illegal.

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As you know, I lived in Franco's Spain for a couple of years. Yes, there were brothels a-plenty. The only city where they operated completely openly that I saw was Barcelona. Of course, I only went near that area to strongly grimace and express my disapproval.

Any porn, including the mild pictures in Playboy at that time (1969 -- 1971) were strictly illegal.

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To me this is a healthier social regime. One in which social interaction is encouraged, and social atomization discouraged.

The internet, is a medium for both social atomization and integration. When we use it to communicate about things that bring us together, its positive for integration. When we use it to practice vices like credit-spending, gambling, or porn, it breaks good valuable social bonds and facilities the practice of solitary vice, which harms us individually and socially.

When you talk about obscenity however, in both old version of the law and the new, how the obscene material was published is important. Its reasonable to recognize spheres of privacy I believe, and that was one element of the old analysis carried into the new. Obviously you have to view erotica with a far more tolerant eye when shared lets say, by a man and wife, than, erotica spewed forth on tv via the mass media. Again, social impact is and should be a consideration for the trier of fact, and the older legal approach allowed for this under the jury system and local community standards.
 
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Isn't it already? How much further can it get, seriously? Porn stars doing it in the middle of the streets? It is almost there. FFS, you can't even walk into any store here without the flipping lesbian/interracial bs being thrown in your face right when you walk in the door. Porn is not in any way hidden here. In some stupid british newspaper on the second page every week, or whenever it is published, is some porn whore who is naked. And people buy this shit. At least it is somewhat hidden in America. As for the internet, are you kidding. Go to any website and there's some ad for porn, or soft core porn or whatever you call it. Like *meet singles* bs with some broad half pulling her shirt off. Shouldn't it be *meet whores.*

This topic pisses me off too much so I am stopping here. Fuck porn, fuck jews, fuck white people who condone this crap, fuck anyone wasting their time and money on it. Twits. It is ruining our kids, our women and our men. (Sorry for the language, sometimes we need to vent.)
I agree 100% with you. I was pretty much going to type exactly what you wrote. Porn is way to prevalent in our society, along with other things.
 
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