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Old March 6th, 2019 #1
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Default What are some must read books regarding the Ancient Greeks and Romans?

I only ask because I am currently reading and recording audiobooks that are much more modern, but there will come a point where I will wish to study the classical Greeks and Romans in depth. The only problem is that any library is stacked to the brim with information on this time period, and I only have so much time on my hands.

What are some must reads on this?
 
Old March 7th, 2019 #2
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Plutarch's Lives is an excellent primary source.
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Plutarch's Lives is an excellent primary source.
I will definitely add this to my reading this. Thank you!
 
Old March 7th, 2019 #4
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What are some must reads on this?
The ancient Greeks and Romans wrote on completely different topics.

Some of them wrote poems, plays, hymns, epigrams, etc.

Other people wrote about ancient history or they wrote memoirs as witnesses of events.

Other people left their speeches intended for their citizens or for court.

Other people wrote treatises on philosophy, rhetoric, medicine, mathematics, astronomy, etc.

What do you want to read?
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Old March 14th, 2019 #5
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Following is a link to the Table of contents of the Great Books of the Western World
(2nd edition, 1990) ::

http://www.bopsecrets.org/gateway/bo...greatbooks.htm

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Homer, The Iliad, The Odyssey

The Iliad most definitely.
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The meditations of Marcus Aurelius

http://classics.mit.edu/Antoninus/meditations.html

http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/2680
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I'm reading Plutarch's Lives right now, and I just encountered these opening sentences to the book on Pericles:
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The emperor Augustus once caught sight of some wealthy foreigners in Rome, who were carrying about young monkeys and puppies in their arms and caressing them with a great show of affection. We are told that he asked them whether the women in those countries did not bear children, thus rebuking in truly imperial fashion those who squander upon animals that capacity for love and affection which in the natural order of things should be reserved for our fellow men.
Quite relevant to our own times, do you think? The only difference is that, today, it is not foreigners who squander love and affection on lower animals; it is our own people.
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rebuking in truly imperial fashion those who squander upon animals that capacity for love and affection
There was nothing "imperial" about Augie. He was simply a very conceited and flawed featherless biped who enjoyed being a tyrant and lording it over others. It was the state that gave him power, not any superhuman talents.

In the U.S.A., those who keep alive the spirit of the founding fathers are opposed to tyrants and to imperialism. Example:

"[T]he consolidation of the states into one vast republic, sure to be aggressive abroad and despotic at home, will be the certain precursor of that ruin which has overwhelmed all those that have preceded it."
--- Robert E. Lee

Aryans who love their dogs receive love from their dogs. There is something wrong with an ostensibly White person who thinks that those people are "squandering" love. I suspect that one who has that misunderstanding is a psychopath or is tainted with Turkish, Mongoloid, or other non-White genes.

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Are deposited the Remains of one
Who possessed Beauty without Vanity,
Strength without Insolence,
Courage without Ferocity,
And all the Virtues of Man, without his Vices.
This praise, which would be unmeaning Flattery
If inscribed over human ashes,
Is but a just Tribute to the Memory of
BOATSWAIN, a Dog,
Who was born at Newfoundland, May, 1803,
And died at Newstead Abbey, Nov. 18, 1808.
 
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For I would want to overtake you quickly
And seek the journey's ending by your side.

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Old September 22nd, 2020 #11
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Amidst all of the Plutarch and Homer, can I offer something enjoyable if less thoughtful.
The Aethopica, or the Ethiopian Romance, was written by Heliodorus in about 200-300 AD, and is an example of Greek literature, the kind of popular reading.
It is the story of Charicles and Theagenes. Charicles is born in Ethiopia, and her mother was so obsessed admiring a white marble statue that Charicles is born white, and is quickly gotten rid of. She grows up, has adventures with pirates, crooked priests, meets Theagenes, a noble Greek lad, and they have more adventures as a team, eventually getting back to Ethiopia, where the Ethiopians beat up an Egyptian army sent to kill Charicles.

It's a great romp, with lots of modern plot settings and twists. It also dumps on Egyptians, since Greeks always saw them as crooks and pussies...sort of like our opinions of dagoes. The racial angle is a good twist, for in the end, the Ethiopians accept a white queen and king as their rulers.

It gives you an example of what people liked to read in the classical world, as it was a very popular novel, and the translation by Moses Hadas is very fast and fun. It reads like a modern adventure romance.
 
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Homer, The Iliad, The Odyssey

The Iliad most definitely.
Oh, absolutely. The Iliad is a masterpiece.
 
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There was nothing "imperial" about Augie. He was simply a very conceited and flawed featherless biped who enjoyed being a tyrant and lording it over others. It was the state that gave him power, not any superhuman talents.
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Aryans who love their dogs receive love from their dogs. There is something wrong with an ostensibly White person who thinks that those people are "squandering" love. I suspect that one who has that misunderstanding is a psychopath or is tainted with Turkish, Mongoloid, or other non-White genes.
Well said, Freddy.
 
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As with many subjects, you can read commentary by others or you can go straight to the source itself.

By reading original material, you can come up with your own critical analysis and not just parrot what someone else thinks.

That being said: An indispensable work for the study of ancient Greek history is The History of the Peloponnesian War by Thucydides. The war (between Athens and Sparta) took place over a period of years in the 5th century BCE. The author was a minor Athenian general who witnessed and participated in the war firsthand.
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Aryans who love their dogs receive love from their dogs. There is something wrong with an ostensibly White person who thinks that those people are "squandering" love. I suspect that one who has that misunderstanding is a psychopath or is tainted with Turkish, Mongoloid, or other non-White genes.

Byron:

Near this spot
Are deposited the Remains of one
Who possessed Beauty without Vanity,
Strength without Insolence,
Courage without Ferocity,
And all the Virtues of Man, without his Vices.
This praise, which would be unmeaning Flattery
If inscribed over human ashes,
Is but a just Tribute to the Memory of
BOATSWAIN, a Dog,
Who was born at Newfoundland, May, 1803,
And died at Newstead Abbey, Nov. 18, 1808.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Freddy Ford View Post
Dogs are not our life, but they make our lives whole.
--- Roger Caras

He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog. You
are his life, his love, his leader. He will be yours, faithful
and true, to the last beat of his heart. You owe it to him to
be worthy of such devotion.
--- anonymous

You think dogs will not be in heaven? I tell you, they will be
there long before any of us.
--- Robert Louis Stevenson


Adelaide Love:

Walk Slowly

If you should go before me, dear, walk slowly
Down the ways of death, well worn and wide,
For I would want to overtake you quickly
And seek the journey's ending by your side.

...

"Aryans who love their dogs receive love from their dogs. There is something wrong with an ostensibly White person who thinks that those people are "squandering" love.
I suspect that one who has that misunderstanding is a psychopath or is tainted with Turkish, Mongoloid, or other non-White genes."

Beautiful. Yes, I too have long known this had to be true.
 
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