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View Poll Results: Is a 9/11 style false-flag attack imminent?
Yes, as a pretext for war with Iran 97 70.80%
No, you are simply paranoid Gerry Fable 14 10.22%
A terrorist attack is likely, by Muslims, not C.I.A/Mossad 26 18.98%
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Old April 4th, 2011 #141
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Libya: Gadhafi's next option may be terrorism

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Old April 5th, 2011 #142
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Prince William and Kate Middleton Royal Wedding: Ring of steel to keep couple safe


By Mirror.co.uk 4/04/2011


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A multimillion-pound ring of steel will see snipers on rooftops, undercover officers among the crowds and armed police trained to deal with a Mumbai-style terror atrocity in central London.

Threats from al Qaida-inspired extremists, dissident Irish republican terrorists, anarchists and even lone stalkers will have been factored into the policing operation.


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"Security Minister Baroness Neville-Jones said recently that a Mumbai-style attack "is one for which we must be prepared".


Has someone at the Mirror read my 'spoof' news report on the Royal Wedding? No terrorist with more than three braincells would consider attacking the Royal wedding because of the massive security clampdown. They would obviously strike elsewhere in the country. A soft target. Far away from the police and security services. For example, Birmingham and Reading. Two cities that have already hosted a Mumbia-style 'training scenario' by the SAS earlier this year.
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Old April 8th, 2011 #143
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Libyan Intelligence Officer, Moussa Koussa, about to spill the beans on Lockerbie?
It has been revealed that Moussa Koussa is in fact a 'double-agent' for MI6. He is simply following the script and will probably reveal 'terrorist' plots hatched by Gadhafi in the near future.

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Old April 8th, 2011 #144
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'training scenario'

Gosh yes, "training scenario" - they said that about all the NATO war machination anchored off southern Spain in Cartegena.

A few weeks later when the sun set on Purim, they were bombing the fuck out of Libya!

http://www.thisistorrevieja.com/2011...off-cartagena/

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There is a NATO Naval exercise taking place off the coast of Cartagena from 28th February until 10 March.
The exercise will include 35,000 personnel from 11 nations and will involve up to 20 warships, Frigates, tankers counter mine vessels, 4 submarines and 4 aircraft.
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Old April 10th, 2011 #145
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Birmingham could be next target for a Mumbai style attack
Nov 29 2008

Note the date of this article. And the next: Oct 31 2010

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Police on alert over possible Birmingham terror attack

POLICE armed response vehicles are patrolling 24 hours-a-day around Birmingham after intelligence chiefs warned of a Mumbai-style terror attack on the city.

The West Midlands force has DOUBLED the number of armed officers in the city, TREBLED the armed vehicles on patrol and deployed specialist marksmen trained to carry out “head shots” on terrorist gunmen
SAS swoops on 'al-Qaeda commandos' in mock terror attack
20/2/2011


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“The police have received information from Pakistan that a similar attack in this country would most likely happen in Birmingham, London, Leeds or Manchester..."
Gathering news reports on perceived terrorist threats does not prove that a false-flag operation will occur. I know that. But there is a 'training scenario' link with both 9/11 and 7/7. And there was a counter-terrorism exercise in Birmingham this year conducted by the SAS. Furthermore, at the very least, the intelligence services clearly believe there is a credible future terrorist threat in Birmingham.



Now why would 'Muslim' terrorists target a city that contained a large Muslim population?
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Old April 10th, 2011 #146
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Deadline extension for Royal Wedding Street parties in Birmingham
April 6 2012

Only a dozen applications received to hold Royal Wedding Parties in Birmingham
April 5 2011

Links in the previous post show fears of a 'Mumbia-style' attack in Birmingham by MI5. So much so that the SAS have carried out a training exercise in the city after several alerts of a possible attack. Now, why on earth is Birmingham council intent on endangering people's lives by organising street parties on the day of the wedding? By closing down roads to allow street parties?



Should an attack occur on the day, the terrorists will find it easier to get away from the police because of blocked roads and street parties. Now this is either extreme negligence on behalf of Birmingham council and the police. Or something fishy is going on.
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Old April 11th, 2011 #147
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I don't know if anyone saw tonight's Panorama but I saw the first 20 mins or so and all the way through I kept thinking about this thread. It was full of interviews with people who have fled to Turkey because of their treatment in Iran for being political activists or the girlfriend of a political activist. There was a woman who has been living under a stoning sentence for 13 years and a gay teacher who was raped and then outed as being gay. When it's up on iplayer - watch it.
 
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From the BBC page for tonight's episode:

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Iranian journalist Maziar Bahari was held in a Tehran jail for 118 days in 2009. His arrest came as he worked for western media outlets, including BBC Panorama. In this analysis, Mr Bahari explains why the regime fears information, the internet and a free press.

"Information is a weapon, and in the wrong hands it is even more dangerous than a real gun!"

This was my torturer's message to me in the summer of 2009 after my arrest.

"You, Mr. Bahari, used the information you gathered against our master, Grand Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, the rightful successor of the prophet and the family of the prophet on this earth. You used information like a gun against our master. You are a terrorist, albeit a peaceful terrorist, Mr. Bahari."

He was a zealot who made a living by beating and humiliating innocent men and women in dark interrogation rooms and torture chambers.

My arrest came after I filmed scenes of Iran's militia shooting from their base at protesters - some of whom had been throwing petrol bombs at the militia. I saw two people shot dead that day.

'Guilty'

The images were broadcast around the world as supporters of the Green Movement took to the streets to protest what was widely seen as a fixed election result that returned President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to power with a landslide. I was arrested a week later.

My torturer described me as "a mild-mannered agitator, a velvet coup plotter, a soft seditionist".

As I sat blindfolded in that torture room listening to this man's twisted interpretation of the world, I understood what frightened him and his master, Iran's Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Khamenei - it was information.

And I was guilty of informing people.

Iran's rulers see information as a threat to their corrupt and unjust rule.

Their answer to the problem my work created for them was to coerce me under threat of a death sentence to "confess" that I had agitated on behalf of the West, effectively I was a spy acting to undermine the Islamic Republic.

My "confession" was recorded by and aired on Press TV, the English language satellite channel set up by the Iranian government.

They have an office in a non-descript building in west London but claim to be independent of the Iranian regime and Press TV in Tehran. They have not responded to Panorama's requests for an interview to discuss Press TV's role in my forced "confession".

In some ways, I was the lucky one - my work with American magazine Newsweek and others meant that my case was high-profile, Hillary Clinton spoke out on my behalf at one stage - others were not so lucky and still languish in those cells.

After 118 days, I was released on bail and fled to London. Returning to my homeland is no longer an option for me.

Cyber-activism

It is a country without a true government, as regimes such as this do not govern their people, they simply try to control them.

A true government would address 15% inflation, joblessness and the more than 10 million drug addicts in a country of 70 million people.

Instead the regime devotes its energy and resources to jailing journalists and activists, building bigger prisons, filtering the internet, and financing suicide jihadists and cyber-warriors.

They no doubt miss the good old days in the 1980s when brute force and control of the media allowed them to control much of the information received by Iranians.


But the 1990s brought first satellite television and then the internet and Iranians found new ways to speak and be heard. Persian quickly became the second most commonly used language on the blogosphere after English.

As Iranians embraced the internet, cyber-activism took on as much importance as more traditional forms of struggle, in some sense surpassing them because of its relative immunity from the security forces' repressive measures.

This struggle culminated in the Green Movement after the June 2009 presidential elections, when millions of Iranians came to the streets of Tehran and other cities to call for a more humane and accountable government.

The collective decision of Iranians at that stage was to give the regime one last chance for reform, but government forces answered people's peaceful demands with truncheons and bullets.

The revolutionary guards and the Basij paramilitaries suppressed the demonstrations on the streets for months.

Did it work? Well, in February and March of this year, when thousands of brave Iranians took part in renewed demonstrations, they were no longer asking for reform.

This time they chanted: "Death to the Dictator."

'Tools to speak'

Facebook and other social networks are home to the debate over where they go next and I expect we will see more demonstrations in the near future.

Despite the government's denials, the Green Movement is very much alive and is a threat to Ayatollah Khamenei's rule.

Cyber-activism is not peripheral to this movement. It is crucial to the Iranian people's struggle.

It is here that the voices of dissent in Iran and elsewhere need the help of the free world.

Western leaders, perhaps dispirited by all aspects of Iran's regime, should know they have no better ally than the people of Iran.

I do not believe that the West should take sides and support any one group.

What the West can and should do in my view, is help provide Iranians with the tools they need to speak to one another, to enable them to reach their own democratic future.

This needs to include technologies which allow them to communicate with each other and the rest of the world, be it satellite internet, filter busters, new video and audio compression methods and the lifting of sanctions imposed on software developers.

Any less would, I believe, condemn the people of Iran to ongoing oppression.

Panorama: Living with the Ayatollah, BBC One, Monday, 11 April at 2030BST and then available in the UK on the BBC iPlayer.
 
Old April 11th, 2011 #149
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I don't know if anyone saw tonight's Panorama but I saw the first 20 mins or so and all the way through I kept thinking about this thread. It was full of interviews with people who have fled to Turkey because of their treatment in Iran for being political activists or the girlfriend of a political activist. There was a woman who has been living under a stoning sentence for 13 years and a gay teacher who was raped and then outed as being gay. When it's up on iplayer - watch it.
You are not the only one who can't help keep thinking of this thread. Seriously, the Birmingham extension for street party applications freaked me out. This city is considered a real threat for a Mumbia-style attack. That's not my opinion. That is the opinion of MI5. So what the f@#* is going on?

I genuinely hope this is 'all in my head' and nothing will occur. But I have this awful, gut, feeling that an outrage will be committed shortly. How else can they justify attacking another country with nuclear weapons?
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You are not the only one who can't help keep thinking of this thread. Seriously, the Birmingham extension for street party applications freaked me out. This city is considered a real threat for a Mumbia-style attack. That's not my opinion. That is the opinion of MI5. So what the f@#* is going on?

I genuinely hope this is 'all in my head' and nothing will occur. But I have this awful, gut, feeling that an outrage will be committed shortly. How else can they justify attacking another country with nuclear weapons?
The lack of street parties does seem odd. On the one hand, Brimingham is full of Muslims so there might not be many willing to celebrate it. On the other hand.....

Here's something else to mull over:
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LONDON — A republican group on Monday accused authorities of imposing a "politically motivated ban" on its anti-royal wedding street party.

Campaign group Republic said it was initially given permission to close off a street in London's historic Covent Garden to stage the "Not The Royal Wedding" party on April 29 as Prince William and Kate Middleton tie the knot.

But the local council has now decided against allowing the road closure, meaning the party will not be able to go ahead.

Republic's campaign manager Graham Smith blasted what he said was an attempt to ban a "peaceful, fun, family event" aimed at providing an alternative to the thousands of parties up and down the country that will celebrate the wedding.

"This is a disgraceful attack on the rights of republicans to make their voice heard and to hold a fun and peaceful event," he said.

"We can only assume this is a politically motivated ban and we will challenge it all the way."

He added: "We are now taking legal advice to see if we can overturn this decision in the courts."

But a council spokesman said it was "unaware of any local connection" between Republic, which campaigns for an elected head of state, and the area they had chosen for the party.

"Significant concerns" about disorder were also raised by the local community while local businesses feared the event would "directly contradict the royal wedding theme in terms of their merchandise," said the spokesman.
Politically motivated, maybe, but not for the reasons they think.
 
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The lack of street parties does seem odd. On the one hand, Brimingham is full of Muslims so there might not be many willing to celebrate it. On the other hand.....
The lack of street party applications in Birmingham for the Royal wedding isn't odd. That's to be expected in a multi-cultural city. No, what is odd is the fact that the council and police seem oblivious to previous high-level security threats in the city, as recently as last October. It is almost if they are inviting the 'terrorists' to do their worst by extending applications for street parties in the city.

I have just got your last sentence. 'On the other hand....' If 'terrorists' do strike, and they are intelligence operatives, they won't spare anyone. Their killing spree will be representative of the local population. Zog will need victims of all faiths and races for propaganda reasons.
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The lack of street party applications in Birmingham for the Royal wedding isn't odd. That's to be expected in a multi-cultural city. No, what is odd is the fact that the council and police seem oblivious to previous high-level security threats in the city, as recently as last October. It is almost if they are inviting the 'terrorists' to do their worst by extending applications for street parties in the city.
Yeah, I thought of that, but surely the biggest impact would be had from targetting London itself? That said, 7/7 happened during a handy little distraction elsewhere. But on the other hand, Brum has a high concentration of muslims, so if you want the public to buy a story of a muslim terrorist attack, why would you pick a city that is full of their own kind? Will people believe that they'd attack their own? You'd be more likely to go for a city with a varied mix of all kinds of people. I dunno. I just think that if there's going to be a terrorist attack of any kind, London will be the target. Not necessarily the Abbey or the wedding route, but somewhere in London. Although they've announced unprecedented security measures, the streets will be packed solid and virtually impossible to effectively control.

But it is odd how they've extended the Birmingham deadline.Have they extended deadlines for any other city?
 
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Let us suppose that MI5 is planning a false-flag attack as a pretext for war against Iran. And that the terrorist alerts and training scenario in Birmingham are part of a coordinated plan for a false-flag attack. Why would 'Muslim terrorists' attack a city containing a high population of Muslims? The answer to that is the political fallout from such an attack. Imagine if 'Muslim terrorists' attacked a predominately white city. What would be the outcome of that? I can tell you. The BNP would grow ten-fold within months! If the terrorist victims happen to be equally represented by the local population such as in Birmingham. With a more or less equal number of white, black, Asian, Christian and Muslim victims. Then it would be easier for the media to spin the story that we are all in danger. Black, white, Asian, Christian and Muslim from international terrorism.



Scenarios such as this are war-gamed. Not just in my head. But in MI5 HQ as well. Of course, the day of the Royal Wedding may end peacefully. With no terrorist outrage. Real or false-flag. But if the West is serious with their intentions of attacking Iran with nuclear weapons. Then the day of the Royal Wedding is an ideal situation to launch a false-flag attack.

Time will time!
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Let us suppose that MI5 is planning a false-flag attack as a pretext for war against Iran. And that the terrorist alerts and training scenario in Birmingham are part of a coordinated plan for a false-flag attack. Why would 'Muslim terrorists' attack a city containing a high population of Muslims? The answer to that is the political fallout from such an attack. Imagine if 'Muslim terrorists' attacked a predominately white city. What would be the outcome of that? I can tell you. The BNP would grow ten-fold within months! If the terrorist victims happen to be equally represented by the local population such as in Birmingham. With a more or less equal number of white, black, Asian, Christian and Muslim victims. Then it would be easier for the media to spin the story that we are all in danger. Black, white, Asian, Christian and Muslim from international terrorism.
Yes, I see your point. I didn't think of the potential gains for the BNP.
 
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BBC PANORAMA: Living with the Ayatollah
MI5 mouthpiece cranks up anti-Iranian feeling with biased documentary. It can only mean one thing. War is on the agenda!




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FBI Has Interviewed 800 Libyans About Terror Threat

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At the outset of military operations against Libya, U.S. officials expressed concern that Gadhafi could launch revenge attacks against the U.S. or European nations.
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Libyan diplomats kicked out amid fears of terror plot


by Jason Beattie, Daily Mirror 31/03/2011


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Police and MI5 believe around a dozen of the undercover operatives were recruited and sent here more than 10 years ago to combat anti-Gaddafi groups....

...Counter-terror specialists have stepped up surveillance on several groups in case they “go rogue”.

MI5 and police also fear the agents may get back in touch with former IRA allies and start buying arms or explosives for attacks on Britain.
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No stone unturned: The massive operation to protect Prince William and Kate along the royal wedding route

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Royal wedding: Muslim group and EDL apply to protest




The English Defence League is a well-known Zionist front group. Anjem Choudary is also a convenient bogey-man for the Zionist agenda. Who is more guilty of exploiting the other? The Zionists or the Muslim radicals? Or is this all part of an MI5 operation?

Royal wedding: police consider pre-emptive arrests
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LONDON - Al-Qaeda intends to carry out a massive terrorist attack during Prince William and Kate Middleton's wedding, a senior official in British Prime Minister David Cameron's office told Yedioth Ahronoth Monday.
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Exactly Gerry.

Both part of the same pantomime, with the muslim group containing the more intelligent actors by far. EDL playing the eternal "fool"...
 
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