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Old September 2nd, 2008 #1061
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Here again are the unanswered questions about Sobibor that Roberta has run away from.


1 - On what EXACT date(s) was Michael Shermer physically in the Sobibor camp?

2 - Why does he refuse to reveal this date(s)?

3 - Are there photographs that prove he ever stepped foot in the camp?

4 - If so, then why does he refuse to release them?

5 - On what date can we expect Shermers report on his findings that resulted from his "firsthand investigation" of the camp?

* Note: Contact information for the lying coward Shermer can be found at the bottom of this link here:

http://www.vho.org/tr/2002/3/tr11shermer.html

6 - On what EXACT date(s) was Kola physically in the Sobibor camp?

7 - Why does he refuse to reveal this date(s)?

8 - Are there photographs that prove he ever stepped foot in the camp?

9 - If so, then why does he refuse to release them?

10 - Are there photographs of Kola actually excavating the alleged "huge mass graves?"

11 - If so, then why does he refuse to release them?

12 - Are there photographs proving that any human remains actually exist?

13 - If so, then why does he refuse to release them?

14 - What were the results of the analysis of those soil core samples that the jews claim are: "ashes of human bone and tissue for the light gray stuff, wood ashes for the black stuff and pure bone ashes or lime for the white stuff?"

15 - On what date can we expect Kolas report on his findings that resulted from his "excavation" of the 7 alleged "huge mass graves?"

16 - What proof is there that the "huge ash mountain" of Sobibor is actually comprised of human ash?

17 - Where are the photographs of the huge pit is that this "mountain of human ash" was dug out of?

18 - Why does the $100,000.00 - THE FINAL SOLUTION FORENSIC CHALLENGE reward go unclaimed?


Roberta:

“Actually I’m able to prove the existence of all of these mass graves by simply referring to Prof. Kola’s description. Proof is contained in Prof. Kola’s published report about his findings on site, and in the documentary and eyewitness evidence about the mass killings at Sobibor, which is compatible with Kola’s findings.”


19 - And where can we find this published report?

20 - Or did you lie about it being published?

19 - BTW Roberta, why do you keep running from the questions about the soil core samples of Sobibor?

21 - What do the frauds at the Sobibor Archaeology Project say those core samples are comprised of?

22 - Can you show us a single photo of a single "huge mass grave" of Sobibor - yes or no?


BTW Roberta, have I ever told you that you're priceless?
 
Old September 2nd, 2008 #1062
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Response to post # 1059: See my post # 1058 under http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php...postcount=1058

Response to post # 1060: See my post # 1058 under http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php...postcount=1058

Response to post # 1061: See my post # 1012 under http://www.vnnforum.com/showpost.php...postcount=1012 .

How about either addressing your opponent’s arguments, or coming up with something new, instead of drearily repeating the same old beaten claptrap including those imbecile and self-projecting "unanswered questions" and "run away from" lies?

How about trying to do something other than putting our readers to sleep by with your copy-and-paste exercises?

 
Old September 2nd, 2008 #1063
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BTW Retardo, do date, how many "huge mass graves" at Babi Yar, Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor and Treblinka have you proven exist that contain at least one percent of the alleged mass murder at each site?

Let me help you out on this one -

ZERO.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha - not a single one.

Here is my latest post over on CODOH:

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What the hell?

Not one single email over the weekend from any jew / holocaustian offering to pledge a single penny to pay Kola so he can publish his report on his alleged Sobibor findings.

Go figure.

I have an idea. If any one of the holocaust controversies freaks can prove that Belzecs grave #10, the largest of all the alleged "huge mass graves" allegedly found at Belzec by Kola himself, contains the remains of just 6,000 jews, I will pledge $5,000.00 myself to Kola's Sobibor report fund. They have till the end of this month and the "proof" has to be posted here or on VNN.

Now how hard should that be?

Remember, grave #10 contains 10% of all the volume of the alleged "huge mass graves" allegedly found at Belzec, so according to Kola's findings, it should contain the remains of at least 60,000 jews.

Isn't it funny how Kolas own alleged "evidence" for the alleged "huge mass graves" of Belzec is so fraudulent, that it can't even be used to help him raise $5,000.00 so he will release / publish his alleged Sobibor "evidence" of "huge mass graves?"

OH THE IRONY! Ha ha ha!!!

Or are the holocaust controversies freaks going to prove me wrong?

You've got til the end of the month boys - get cracking.

Ya just gotta laugh.
 
Old September 2nd, 2008 #1064
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Retardo:

"How about addressing your opponent’s arguments?"


"Arguments?" LOL!!!

You mean your magically disappearing jew "argument?"

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!


OK:

If it couldn't have happened, as alleged - then it didn't happen, as alleged.

What part of physically impossible do you not understand dull one?


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Elimination of the Corpses - Not Quite Without a Trace

The elimination of victims without a trace is a vital link in the chain of evidence for the Holocaust in general. Elimination without a trace is the prerequisite for an arbitrary number of victims. This is how the numbers of victims alleged for Treblinka come to vary from 700,000 to 3 million - a phenomenon that also appears in other cases.[87] The casual treatment of such high numbers of victims seems questionable from the start, and ought to prompt those concerned with the topic to gather scientifically irrefutable facts so as to prevent the Holocaust from becoming a matter of faith. But smoke and mirrors and eyewitness testimony have been deemed good enough. The technically unrealistic claims regarding the mass murder of human beings are compounded by the utterly unbelievable accounts of the removal of bodies without any trace. Millions of dead cannot simply vanish into thin air. In this context the reader is referred to the case of Katyn, where the 4,500 Polish officers murdered by the Soviets in 1940 were discovered in 1943.[88]

According to eyewitness testimony, Himmler ordered the incineration of bodies in the extermination camp Treblinka to eliminate any evidence of the killings; this order was allegedly given in March 1943.[89] This is said to have involved the exhumation and burning of the bodies that had already been buried. Various eyewitness accounts exist of this procedure in Treblinka, which allegedly went on from about March to August 1943.

Regarding the burning of the corpses, Eliahu Rosenberg has stated:

"After Himmler inspected the camp he ordered the burning of all the bodies lying in the pit [...] For this purpose, two iron rails were placed on the ground parallel to each other, and the bodies that were dug out of the pit with excavators were stacked on top of each other like fire logs. It frequently happened that the corpses, especially those just freshly killed, didn't burn well, and so we had to pour gasoline over them [...] At that time we had only one burning site, and of course that wasn't enough, since we couldn't burn more than a hundred bodies a day. An SS-Oberscharführer, Herbert Floss by name, was brought in from the neighboring camp [...] He set up five or six burning sites and also introduced a new way to layer the bodies [...]"[90]

In his testimony in Jerusalem, at the Demjanjuk trial, he also persisted in his convictions:

"In Treblinka we learned that little children burn better than grown men. All it takes is a match to light them. That's why the Germans, damn them, ordered us to put the children in the pit first."[91]

The witness Szyja Warszawski, who came to Treblinka in July 1942, told of gassings with chlorine and of at least 10,000 victims a day, and stated with respect to cremation:

"[...] Usually the bodies were put into pits 33 ft. deep and wide and many times as long. In January 1943 [...] five to six gratings were set up on the ground. The grates, which consisted of iron rails, were supported by cement posts about two feet above the ground. A grate like that was 33 ft. long and 13 ft. wide. A fire was started underneath. Bodies were layered on the burning grate with an excavator machine. Once the bodies caught fire they would continue burning by themselves. Mass cremation began in late February 1943. The ashes that remained after the burning were thrown back into the pits where the bodies had been dug out earlier. Sweet-peas were sown over top and trees brought over from the forest were planted to camouflage the site [...] For some pits only the top layer of bodies was dug out. The rest of the bodies were covered over with soil, and the site was camouflaged as well [...]."[92]

Without going into detail about the strange and contradictory claims in these statements, we shall add some excerpts from Wassily Grossmann's book Die Hölle von Treblinka, where the cremations are described as follows:

"At first the cremation of the bodies just wouldn't work - the bodies did not catch fire properly [sic!]; it was observed however, that female bodies burned easier. Vast quantities of expensive gasoline and oil were wasted on kindling [sic!] the bodies, but the results were pathetic [...] An expert [...] came from Germany, from the SS. What multitalented experts the Hitler regime gave rise to! [...] A specialist for digging up and burning millions of human corpses was also found.

Under his direction the construction of furnaces began. It was a very special kind, a cross between a pyre and a furnace [...] The excavator dug a boiler trench 820 to 980 ft. long, 65 to about 80 ft. wide and 16 ft. deep. Reinforced concrete pillars sticking about 40 to 50 inches out of the ground were evenly spaced in three rows on the bottom, along the entire length of the trench. These pillars supported steel joists running the entire length of the trench. Across these joists rails were placed 2 to 3 inches apart. In this way the grating of an enormous oven was formed [...] Soon a second and then a third oven of the same size was constructed. Each grating was loaded with 3,500 to 4,000 bodies at a time.

[...] People who participated in the cremation of the bodies recount that the ovens resembled gigantic volcanoes. [...] Dense, black, fat columns of smoke rose heavenward [...] Even twenty to twenty-five miles away, the people saw [...] these flames at night, rising up beyond the treetops of the spruce forests surrounding the camp. The entire area was polluted with the stench of burning human flesh [...] The traces are indelible."[93]

Jankiel Wiernik, who is the only one of the witnesses to claim that he participated directly in the cremation for a longer period of time, writes:

"It turned out that bodies of women burned more easily than those of men. Accordingly, the bodies of women were used for kindling the fires."[94]

Richard Glazar comments succinctly:

"The human body does not burn particularly well, quite the opposite."[95]

Rachel Auerbach has compiled various witness statements and summarized them thus:

"Polish people still talk about the way soap was manufactured from the bodies of Jews.... The discovery of Professor Spanner's soap factory in Langfuhr proved that their suspicions had been well founded. Witnesses tell us that when the corpses were burned on pyres, pans would be placed beneath the racks to catch the fat as it ran off, but this has not been confirmed. But even if the Germans in Treblinka or at any of the other death factories failed to do this, and allowed so many tons of precious fat to go to waste, it could only have been an oversight on their part.[96]

In Treblinka, as in other such places, significant advances were made in the science of annihilation, such as the highly original discovery that the bodies of women burned better than those of men.

'Men won't burn without women.' [...] The bodies of women were used to kindle, or, more accurately put, to build the fires among the piles of corpses [...] Blood, too, was found to be first-class combustion material. [...] Young corpses burn up quicker than old ones. [...] [W]ith the help of gasoline and the bodies of the fatter females, the pile of corpses finally burst into flames."[97]

Yitzhak Arad, trying to sound scientific, reports:

"[T]he corpses... [were] arranged [...] in layers on the roaster to a height of 2 meters. [...] When all was ready, dry wood and branches, which had been laid under the roaster, were ignited. The entire construction, with the bodies, was quickly engulfed in fire [...] and the flames would reach a height of up to 10 meters. [...] [T]he SS men in charge of the cremation became convinced that the corpses burned well enough without extra fuel. Yechiel Reichman, a member of the 'burning group', writes: 'The SS 'expert' on bodyburning ordered us to put women, particularly fat women, on the first layer of the grill, face down. The second layer could consist of whatever was brought - men, women, or children - and so on, layer on top of layer [....]'[98]

These [fresh] bodies did not burn as well as those removed from the ditches [i.e., the graves] and had to be sprayed with fuel before they would burn."[99]

But something does seem to have struck one of our Holocausters as odd. Jean-François Steiner vividly describes the problem resulting from the actual, enormous wood (fuel) requirements involved in cremation:

"The prime costs proved to be prohibitive: aside from the vast quantities of gasoline, just as many logs were needed as there were bodies. It was not a viable undertaking, for even if all the forests of Poland might still have been felled as a last resort, the gasoline supply would nevertheless run short. Stalingrad had fallen, and with that, the rich petroleum fields of the Caucasus had shimmered away into nothingness like a mirage."[100]

But J.-F. Steiner, who also compiled many eyewitness statements, manages to find a way out of this predicament; he too came across the bodies that burn of their own accord:

"There were fire-resistant [bodies] as well as such that caught fire easily. The trick was to use the good ones to burn the bad. According to his [Herbert Floss's] research - which evidently had been far advanced - old bodies burned better than new ones, fat ones better than skinny ones, women better than men, and children not as well as women but better than men. From this it followed that old corpses of fat women were the ideal kind."[101]

Some witness statements do in fact indicate that there were units in the camp whose task it was to supply firewood. While Abraham Krzepicki and Samuel Willenberg can only tell of a unit that tore branches off trees in order to decorate the fence surrounding the extermination camp with them, for camouflage purposes,[102] Y. Arad reports that a "wood commando" which initially had to provide only the wood required for construction and firewood later also had to procure the wood needed for cremation.[103] However, there is a consensus among the witnesses and Holocaust believers that the wood was only lit as a sort of camp fire underneath the mountains of corpses, until these had caught fire and burned on their own. R. Glazar is the only one to be able to provide details of this "wood commando": it consisted of 25 men, whose efforts yielded so few twigs and branches that a "camouflage commando" of 25 men had to climb unfelled trees in order to break off additional branches, which were woven into the camp fences to keep outsiders from looking in.[104] Apparently, the "wood commando" did not fell many trees.

Incidentally, Steven Spielberg has shown himself quick to learn from the aforementioned 'witnesses': in one scene of his movie Schindler's List he shows a gigantic conveyor belt continually heaping bodies onto an enormous pile of corpses magically burning on by themselves.[105]

Even though they are contradictory, the many eyewitness accounts do offer numerous details of the extermination activities in Treblinka II; on the other hand, the issue of the fuel necessary for the elimination of the bodies - that is, for their incineration - is ignored, glossed over, or dismissed with unacceptable claims. This consistent approach suggests that the issue, not being resolvable, is repressed either consciously or unconsciously. Szyja Warszawski came up with what is no doubt the easiest solution to the fuel problem when he declared:

"[...] Once the bodies caught fire they would continue burning by themselves",

and Grossmann also took a turn in this direction when he stated:

"[...] the bodies did not catch fire properly",

and

"[...] kindling the bodies".

The witnesses appear to agree on the opinion that female corpses burn by themselves particularly well, and can thus serve to ignite and burn other corpses. These claims imply that mere kindling suffices to set corpses on fire.

However, this easy way out does not suffice to truly solve the problem of the cremation of corpses, for the worldwide presence and use of oil-, natural gas- or coal-fired crematoria refutes it conclusively, as do all the laws of nature. Some 65% of the human body is unburnable water.

When a major earthquake struck India in September 1993, claiming some 20,000 lives, it was feared that epidemics would break out if the fuel (wood) needed for the cremation of the bodies could not be procured in time. In India, where the cremation of bodies has been the rule rather than the exception for a long time, self-burning corpses have yet to be discovered, even though the country suffers from fuel shortage in this context.

Psychologists ought to investigate the patently false witness claims, since there is no scientific or literary precedent for any similar event, which might have found its way into the witnesses' subconscious mind in the form of a literary experience.
Again stupid one:

What part of physically impossible do you not understand?
 
Old September 2nd, 2008 #1065
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This is so easy.
 
Old September 2nd, 2008 #1066
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Horseshit, Gerdes.

The conditions you are setting are but a coward’s lame and transparent attempt to hide the fact that he’s afraid to reintroduce Chelmno into the NAFCASH challenge.

Doing so requires no specific applicant let alone a team and a joint announcement. So cut the crap and answer the question:

When will you re-introduce Chelmno into the NAFCASH challenge, Mr. Gerdes?
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Old September 2nd, 2008 #1067
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Retardo:

"I might add that I don’t know what the members of the Sobibor Archaeology Project say about the composition of these samples. In my last phone conversation with Yoram Haimi, I forgot to ask this question. I shall ask it next time we speak."


So what was the greasy jews answer?


Why do you refuse to answer this question Redardo?
 
Old September 2nd, 2008 #1068
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Retardo:

Reconstructing the history of the mound requires access to people on site who know about it. Quantifying the human remains in the mound requires permissions and the work of archaeologists and forensic experts. Establishing what pit or pits these ashes come from, apart from being irrelevant, is impossible.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!

Thank you Roberta. Have I ever told you that you're priceless?

Now the dull one has a magically disappearing grave theory to go with the magically disappearing jew theory.

Let's see the photos of the construction of the "huge ash mountain / mound of human remains" retardo. Let's see the location of the "huge mass grave" that the remains came from.

And why was this discovery never reported? Even someone as stupid as you would have to admit that Kola wasn't the first to locate a "huge mass grave" - IF - in fact the "huge ash mountain / mound of human remains" actually consists of human remains like you insist it does.

BTW dull one, have I ever told you that you're priceless?
 
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BTW Retardo, do date, how many "huge mass graves" at Babi Yar, Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor and Treblinka have you proven exist that contain at least one percent of the alleged mass murder at each site?

Let me help you out on this one -

ZERO.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha - not a single one.

Here is my latest post over on CODOH:
See my response to your latest CODOH imbecilities in the following articles on the HC blog:

Desperately yelping for the attention ... http://holocaustcontroversies.blogsp...attention.html

A classic example of “brilliant” Gerdian reasoning … http://holocaustcontroversies.blogsp...t-gerdian.html

These articles contain some more questions for you to answer.

I look forward to your answering them.

And, of course, to your posting links to these articles on CODOH for the benefit of your buddies there. Plus a link to this VNN thread so they can see what a sad show you are putting up here.
 
Old September 3rd, 2008 #1070
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Retardo:

"How about addressing your opponent’s arguments?"


"Arguments?" LOL!!!

You mean your magically disappearing jew "argument?"

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!


OK:

If it couldn't have happened, as alleged - then it didn't happen, as alleged.

What part of physically impossible do you not understand dull one?




Again stupid one:

What part of physically impossible do you not understand?
Wow. After we looked at the abundant physical evidence that exists at each of these camps, and despite my never having claimed that the killers made all physical evidence disappear (on the contrary), Gerdes still tries to pin the "magically disappearing" straw-man on me.

Thanks for showing (once more) what a dumb and primitive liar you are, Mr. Gerdes.

Now, how about trying to answer, say, the questions at the end of my post # 777 under http://206.41.117.128/showpost.php?p...&postcount=777 ?

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Instead of taking the chicken-shit way out of making your customary fuss about what can or cannot be seen on photographs and trying to shift the burden of proof, as has been your staple approach so far, you will attempt to provide consistent answers to the following questions:

1. Which of the following hypotheses regarding Chelmno, Belzec, Sobibor, Treblinka and Auschwitz-Birkenau is borne out by the evidence listed above and requires the fewest additional assumptions not substantiated by evidence?

Hypothesis A: The mentioned camps were killing sites where hundreds of thousands of people were systematically murdered.

Hypothesis B: The mentioned camps were not killing sites but transit stations from where the overwhelming majority of deportees were taken to final destinations in the Nazi-occupied Soviet territories, Auschwitz-Birkenau also serving as a concentration camps whereas Chelmno, Belzec, Sobibor and Treblinka were exclusively transit stations.

If the answer is "Hypothesis B", please explain how the evidence I have shown is supposed to support Hypothesis B.

If you cannot demonstrate that the evidence I have shown supports Hypothesis B, provide whatever evidence you can offer in support of Hypothesis B.

2. What amount of human remains can be reasonably considered proven by the evidence I mentioned above?

a) The amount of human remains corresponding to the death toll of these five camps that becomes apparent from the eyewitness, documentary and physical evidence quoted or referred to.

b) Only the amount of human remains that becomes apparent from or can be estimated on the basis of criminal site investigation reports or archaeological reports.

c) Only the amount of human remains that is visible on photographs.

If the answer is b) or c), please explain the reasons for your choice.

So come on, Gerdes. Answer the above questions. Let’s see if you’re as cowardly as you have so far shown to be or a little less chicken-shit than that.
 
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Retardo:

"I might add that I don’t know what the members of the Sobibor Archaeology Project say about the composition of these samples. In my last phone conversation with Yoram Haimi, I forgot to ask this question. I shall ask it next time we speak."


So what was the greasy jews answer?


Why do you refuse to answer this question Redardo?
In our last Skype conversation yesterday afternoon I asked Yoram Haimi about these core samples, and he confirmed my assessment.

Now please answer my questions regarding these samples, which you have been running away from ever since I first asked them.

Do you also call Yoram Haimi a "greasy jew" when you e-mail him, by the way?
 
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Retardo:

"See my response to your latest CODOH imbecilities in the following articles on the HC blog"

Sorry dull one, I don't visit that shit site.
 
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Retardo:

"After we looked at the abundant physical evidence that exists at each of these camps"


Abundant physical evidence that exists at each of these camps? Really dull one?

Let's see the "abundant physical evidence that exists" at Treblinka and Sobibor.

Thank you for that one retardo.

BTW, have I ever told you that you're priceless?
 
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Retardo:

"In our last Skype conversation yesterday afternoon I asked Yoram Haimi about these core samples, and he confirmed my assessment."

Which means that the core samples have yet to be analyzed.

Why retardo?

You're so stupid dull one.

Priceless.
 
Old September 3rd, 2008 #1075
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Retardo:

Reconstructing the history of the mound requires access to people on site who know about it. Quantifying the human remains in the mound requires permissions and the work of archaeologists and forensic experts. Establishing what pit or pits these ashes come from, apart from being irrelevant, is impossible.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!

Thank you Roberta. Have I ever told you that you're priceless?

Now the dull one has a magically disappearing grave theory to go with the magically disappearing jew theory.
As to the "magically disappearing jew theory" (assuming you're not referring to your apparent theory that over 1.3 million deportees to the AR camps and Chelmno were picked up by flying saucers in the "Russian East"), see my post # http://206.41.117.128/showpost.php?p...postcount=1070 .

As to the ash mound at Sobibor, your feigning misunderstanding is duly taken note of.

I'm not saying that any graves disappeared, of course.

But I doubt you can explain how one could possibly establish which of the graves the ashes in the mound, which was made in the early 1960s, were taken from - especially if, as I presume, the makers of the mound collected ashes brought to the surface by robbery diggers.

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Let's see the photos of the construction of the "huge ash mountain / mound of human remains" retardo. Let's see the location of the "huge mass grave" that the remains came from.
The first may be possible to obtain one of these days (of course I'm in no hurry, however often and loudly spoilt brat Gerdes yells for his lollipop). Asking for the second is simply idiotic, for the reasons explained.

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And why was this discovery never reported? Even someone as stupid as you would have to admit that Kola wasn't the first to locate a "huge mass grave" - IF - in fact the "huge ash mountain / mound of human remains" actually consists of human remains like you insist it does.
Poor Gerdes, trying to be smart again. Who said that Kola was the first to locate the mass graves at Sobibor? Robbery diggers found them decades before him, as you can read on pages 379 f. of Yitzhak Arad's book Belzec, Sobibor, Treblinka. The Operation Reinhard Death Camps (emphasis added):

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Rachel Auerbach, who visited Treblinka on November 7, 1945, as part of a delegation of the Polish State Committee for the Investigation of Nazi War Crimes on Polish Soil, described what she saw:

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Masses of all kinds of pilferers and robbers with spades and shovels in their hands were there digging and searching and raking and straining in the sand. They removed decaying limbs from the dust [and] bones and garbage that were thrown there. Would they not come upon even one hard coin or at least one gold tooth? They even dragged shells and blind bombs there, those hyenas and jackals in the disguise of man. They placed several together, set them off, and giant pits were dug in the desecrated ground saturated by the blood and the ashes of burned Jews ...
Scenes of this kind took also place in the fields of Belzec and Sobibor. The search for treasures continued. The area was dug up again and again, and each section of the land was checked thoroughly by local people and people from afar who tried their luck. These acts ceased only when the Polish government decided to turn the camp areas into national memorial sites.
Needless to say, the Polish government was probably not too eager to talk about these shameful activities - just like they kept silent about the Treblinka Gold Rush, see my RODOH post # 10010 under http://rodohforum.yuku.com/topic/588...Treblinka.html :

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"Loud" excavations may have taken place until the end of the 1950s. However, no one wanted to have heard the detonations in the former camp. After publication of Rachela Auerbach's book in 1947 the official press was silent about the gold fever[emphasis added] - with one exception. In 1957 "Trybuna Mazowiecka" brought a sharp article headed "The Shame". The author, L. Wieluński, indignant about the ravishing, wrote about the grave robbers: "The paw of the animal, clad in human skin, the paw that digs out human corpses, corpses of martyrs, slaps us in the face every single day. A slap that dishonors and hurts."
Time for you to get a brain, Gerdes.

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BTW dull one, have I ever told you that you're priceless?
Got no better rhetoric than imitating my appropriate assessment of your contributions to making "Revisionism" look like shit, Mr. Gerdes?

You're really a failure on every count.
 
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Retardo:

"See my response to your latest CODOH imbecilities in the following articles on the HC blog"

Sorry dull one, I don't visit that shit site.
Wow, now the ostrich buries his head in the sand.

See my response to your latest CODOH imbecilities in the following articles on the HC blog:

Desperately yelping for the attention ... http://holocaustcontroversies.blogsp...attention.html

A classic example of “brilliant” Gerdian reasoning … http://holocaustcontroversies.blogsp...t-gerdian.html

These articles contain some more questions for you to answer.

I look forward to your answering them.

And, of course, to your posting links to these articles on CODOH for the benefit of your buddies there. Plus a link to this VNN thread so they can see what a sad show you are putting up here.
 
Old September 3rd, 2008 #1077
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Retardo:

"In our last Skype conversation yesterday afternoon I asked Yoram Haimi about these core samples, and he confirmed my assessment."

Which means that the core samples have yet to be analyzed.

Why retardo?

You're so stupid dull one.

Priceless.
The samples are from Kola's 2001 investigation and were thus probably analyzed by Prof. Kola.

Don't try to be smart before getting a brain, Mr. Gerdes.

And how about answering my questions regarding these core samples?
 
Old September 3rd, 2008 #1078
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"After we looked at the abundant physical evidence that exists at each of these camps"

That exists at each of these camps? Really dull one?

Let's see the "abundant physical evidence that exists" at Treblinka and Sobibor.

Thank you for that one retardo.

BTW, have I ever told you that you're priceless?
How about looking at the evidence listed in my post # 777 under http://206.41.117.128/showpost.php?p...&postcount=777 and trying to answer the questions at the end of that post?

These questions:

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Instead of taking the chicken-shit way out of making your customary fuss about what can or cannot be seen on photographs and trying to shift the burden of proof, as has been your staple approach so far, you will attempt to provide consistent answers to the following questions:

1. Which of the following hypotheses regarding Chelmno, Belzec, Sobibor, Treblinka and Auschwitz-Birkenau is borne out by the evidence listed above and requires the fewest additional assumptions not substantiated by evidence?

Hypothesis A: The mentioned camps were killing sites where hundreds of thousands of people were systematically murdered.

Hypothesis B: The mentioned camps were not killing sites but transit stations from where the overwhelming majority of deportees were taken to final destinations in the Nazi-occupied Soviet territories, Auschwitz-Birkenau also serving as a concentration camps whereas Chelmno, Belzec, Sobibor and Treblinka were exclusively transit stations.

If the answer is "Hypothesis B", please explain how the evidence I have shown is supposed to support Hypothesis B.

If you cannot demonstrate that the evidence I have shown supports Hypothesis B, provide whatever evidence you can offer in support of Hypothesis B.

2. What amount of human remains can be reasonably considered proven by the evidence I mentioned above?

a) The amount of human remains corresponding to the death toll of these five camps that becomes apparent from the eyewitness, documentary and physical evidence quoted or referred to.

b) Only the amount of human remains that becomes apparent from or can be estimated on the basis of criminal site investigation reports or archaeological reports.

c) Only the amount of human remains that is visible on photographs.

If the answer is b) or c), please explain the reasons for your choice.

So come on, Gerdes. Answer the above questions. Let’s see if you’re as cowardly as you have so far shown to be or a little less chicken-shit than that.
 
Old September 3rd, 2008 #1079
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Notice that the dull one can't even prove that so much as a pound a crushed bone has ever been located at either Sobibor or Treblinka.

Not so much as a single pound.

Here again are the unanswered questions about Sobibor that Roberta has run away from.


1 - On what EXACT date(s) was Michael Shermer physically in the Sobibor camp?

2 - Why does he refuse to reveal this date(s)?

3 - Are there photographs that prove he ever stepped foot in the camp?

4 - If so, then why does he refuse to release them?

5 - On what date can we expect Shermers report on his findings that resulted from his "firsthand investigation" of the camp?

6 - On what EXACT date(s) was Kola physically in the Sobibor camp?

7 - Why does he refuse to reveal this date(s)?

8 - Are there photographs that prove he ever stepped foot in the camp?

9 - If so, then why does he refuse to release them?

10 - Are there photographs of Kola actually excavating the alleged "huge mass graves?"

11 - If so, then why does he refuse to release them?

12 - Are there photographs proving that any human remains actually exist?

13 - If so, then why does he refuse to release them?

14 - What were the results of the analysis of those soil core samples that the jews claim are: "ashes of human bone and tissue for the light gray stuff, wood ashes for the black stuff and pure bone ashes or lime for the white stuff?"

15 - On what date can we expect Kolas report on his findings that resulted from his "excavation" of the 7 alleged "huge mass graves?"

16 - What proof is there that the "huge ash mountain" of Sobibor is actually comprised of human ash?

17 - Where are the photographs of the huge pit is that this "mountain of human ash" was dug out of?

18 - Why does the $100,000.00 - THE FINAL SOLUTION FORENSIC CHALLENGE reward go unclaimed?


Roberta:

“Actually I’m able to prove the existence of all of these mass graves by simply referring to Prof. Kola’s description. Proof is contained in Prof. Kola’s published report about his findings on site, and in the documentary and eyewitness evidence about the mass killings at Sobibor, which is compatible with Kola’s findings.”


19 - And where can we find this published report?

20 - Or did you lie about it being published?

19 - BTW Roberta, why do you keep running from the questions about the soil core samples of Sobibor?

21 - What do the frauds at the Sobibor Archaeology Project say those core samples are comprised of?

22 - Can you show us a single photo of a single "huge mass grave" of Sobibor - yes or no?


BTW Roberta, have I ever told you that you're priceless?
 
Old September 3rd, 2008 #1080
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Retardo:

"The aspect of the substance that the mound consists of, which has a light gray coloration different from the light-brown color of the soil at Sobibor (see photos mentioned in answer B.3 above) suggests the accuracy of captions describing this mound as a mound consisting of or containing human ashes.

The conclusion that the mound in question is comprised of human ash is thus the conclusion that is borne out by all known evidence and belied by none. It is also the conclusion towards which various sources of evidence independent of each other converge. This convergence of various sources of evidence independent of each other, alone or together with the absence of any evidence to the contrary, is proof that the mound in question is comprised of human ash.

The above, my dear Gerdes, means "Yes, the mound does contain human ashes".


Let's see the proof retardo. Let's see the photos of the construction of the mound and where the "human ashes" were found and the pit that the "human ashes" were dug out of and the analysis of the ashes in question that prove that they were "human ashes."

This is so easy.

Thank you retardo.

Have I ever told you that you're priceless?
 
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