In memory of Rocky Marciano

Yeah, boxing was pretty popular on the first ship I was on. We would hold what they called "boxing smokers" every few months. And we had a large workout room in the extreme aft section of the ship, just below the fantail. It was a lot of fun to hang out there, put on the gloves and mix it up. With 16 ounce gloves and headgear, nobody got hurt too badly.

You can learn a lot from boxing... how to throw a punch and take a punch. I took some karate lessons and stuff like that while in the military. In karate and kung fu, etc. it's more like pantomime or dancing. Usually the guys don't make contact while sparring. They tell each other how they just shoved the other guys nose bone into his brain and how he is now dead, or how they just speared their hand through his ribs and ripped out his heart. Yeah!

But in boxing the sparring is full contact. You learn it is not so easy to knock a man out. I actually don't think boxing is as dangerous a sport as football is. I mixed it up with a lot of niggers. Most of them I could beat, but I ran into one young nigger who was about three inches taller than me, about 20 pounds heavier, had at least that much more reach than me, who was faster and much more experienced. He had trained and fought in Golden Gloves competition. I'd have to take two good blows to land one, and he eventually convinced me that he was indeed the superior fighter.

While I was a student at East Carolina, I fought in the TKE boxing tournament, which was a huge event held in the main basketball arena on campus. Guys from the All-Marine Boxing Team at Camp Lejuene would come up and fight in it. Plus Bill McDonald, who at the time trained several national full-contact karate champions, would usually enter two or three fighters for the boxing experience.

I fought a white guy who outweighed me by a good 15 or 20 pounds (I was actually below the bottom limit of the weight category I fought in, and he didn't make the maximum weight at the weigh in and had to drop several pounds and re-weigh the following day. He was heavily muscled. I figured he was a body builder, and if I could avoid getting tagged early, I could wear him down and at least out point him. It turned out he was on the varsity wrestling team at ECU, and collegiate wrestlers are some of the strongest athletes pound for pound that there are, and they have unbelievable stamina.

Needless to say, I took an ass whooping from that guy. Although I never went down, they stopped the fight late in the third round and gave him the win on a TKO. I should have fought in the lower weight class, something I never worried about too much while in the Navy. But I was in against some very good amature fighters in this event and had far more courage than I had brains.

I hung up the gloves after that experience and haven't put them back on again. I took up tennis, which in many ways is like boxing, and eventually became a pretty good player, preferring singles to doubles. At least when you lose on the tennis court you don't worry about gettng knocked out, although I beat a guy in an amature tournment one time in a long and tough match under extremely hot conditions. He told me later that he lost 15 pounds in that match, and on his way back home to Fayetteville from Wilson (the event was at the Wilson Country Club), he started cramping so badly that he had to pull off I-95 and puked his guts out. He was a big white guy built like a running back, just naturally big-boned and athletic. I've seen other guys in these weekend amature tennis tournaments start cramping so badly that they actually had to call the rescue squad, worried that the cramps would move up to their chest and prevent them from breathing or stop their heart.

After beating the big white guy from Fayetteville on a Friday afternoon, I had to return and play a good player on Saturday morning. All the fatigue from the previouis day soon set mid way through the first set, and soon I was down on the court with both calves badly cramping. Somehow I won this match, and then had to play a big nigger in the early afternoon. I had beaten this guy in the final of a tournament in New Bern a couple months before. This match also went three sets, and when he realized I could no longer run, he began using drop shots to win easy points.

In many ways competitive tennis is just as demanding as boxing, although most people don't realize how tough a sport it is. But if you have a warrior's heart, and like a one-on-one battle that is a contest of speed, strength, stamina and skill the only thing that can surpass tennis is boxing. And tennis is actually more punishing to the body than boxing is, but boxing is certainly more punishing to the brain.

[Steve B]

Originally Posted by EdbergEdberg

In many ways competitive tennis is just as demanding as boxing, although most people don't realize how tough a sport it is. But if you have a warrior's heart, and like a one-on-one battle that is a contest of speed, strength, stamina and skill the only thing that can surpass tennis is boxing. And tennis is actually more punishing to the body than boxing is, but boxing is certainly more punishing to the brain.

Tennis more punishing to the body that boxing? Ok dude.....whatever you say!
I guess at 135 pounds that might be the case but for guys like me who go over 220 tennis is for faggots!

[Steve B]

Originally Posted by Rounder

Edberg, glad to know you*re keeping yourself in such good physical condition. What*s good for the body is also good for the mind.

All 4 of my young*uns here in MO are exercise fanatics; ran in the annual Springfield marathon recently; members of a Springfield health club; And work out at home lifting weights, doing pushups, etc. Jesse (26) has boxed since l8 and a fanatic. His next fight is in late May in Willard, MO. Except for one 250 pound nigger, all others at his boxing club in Springfield refuse to spar with him. Jesse is 6'l", weighs 205 lbs, and looks like Tarzan. Frazier is 5'll", 2l6 and strong as an ox. All got their large, thick frames from their mother. Big boned Italian, German, Polock.

I've been reading some of Steve B's postings. He is quite prolific and highly intelligent. Age 48 from CA. He seems to feel a need to interject painful personal insults into his arguments, though. Kinda like Beevas and Butthead and the kind of one-liner insults so popular on TV sit-coms. Lots of other VNN posters that way, as well. And I guess we're all a little too aggressively "testy" as we argue points with others. I believe 50 years of jews' media mental programming is the main culprit. Also, our natural tendency to be combative. We dispise losing at anything.

Driving a semi truck, coast to coast, ll years, I became amazed by so many White drivers badmouthing each other on their CB radios. It is really epidemic, and confined to White drivers. Blacks nor Hispanics hardly ever badmouth each other. Equally amazing is the fact that White drivers virtually never badmouth each other inside truck stops or at anytime they are face-to-face. Only when safely and anonamously inside their trucks do they loudly and profanely badmouth other White drivers, though virtually never do they even argue with Blacks or Hispanics. Go to any large truck stop and tune in to channel l9 for a few hours and you'll see what I mean, especially at night.

Put Steve B (or others like him) inside a White racialist meeting hall where an open debate is going on, and his choice of words and phrases will be far more civil than those he chooses to use on the internet. But, that's also true of you and me, as well.

Steve B will now feel the need to rack that large brain of his and come up with some choice badmouthings of me for pointing this out. The larger the brain, the larger the ego I suppose. But I do believe that you have a sincere desire to help educate folks on this forum which far over rides your need to "get even" with those who unneccesarily badmouth you with sharp, personal, insults. Steve B seems to have the opposite desire.

Hey Edberg, I just read Edgar Steele's article, "Treading Water IV", on vanguardnetworknews.com. Has to do with literature distribution. Mighty insightful fellow. Will seems to think highly of him. And you are right when you say there are lots and lots of incredibly intelligent young folks publishing "stuff" on the internet. That guy Michael Polignano is also great, as are many others. Some of them make me feel obsolete. And that's good. Seig Heil to you, and my highest regards to your family.

Well said, Glenn. Sometimes I'm a little over the top and I apologise to those I have offended.

Keep writing on VNN! Your stuff is the most interesting I have read here!

Cheers!

[Steve B]

Originally Posted by Rounder

There I was with my butt all puckered and braced for one of your classic attacks. .

"Appear at points which the adversary must hasten to defend; march swiftly to places where you are not expected".

Originally Posted by Rounder

But I must admit I kinda enjoy your, no holds barred, debates with Edberg, Will and others.

I have the utmost respect for Will and Edberg! I provoke them for the simple reason they are so smart and I enjoy their counters and parrys.

My problem is trying to contain my natural hostility and arrogance. I can continue my "no holds barred debates" with Will and Ed but have a weak spot in my heart for fellow White men who fight so bravely so I temper my big mouth as best I can.

Originally Posted by Rounder

All 3 of you are brilliant at it.

I'm not the brilliant one, Glenn. You are... and Alex and Will and Ed and AE and Gott and all the rest!

Originally Posted by Rounder

One thing for sure, new VNN members quickly learn we are a determined bunch, mad-as-hell-and-ain't-gonna-take-it-no-more, and that we are trying to get at the truths without any notice at all of Political Correctness/That which is Jewish approved.

Eyup!!! Fuck them God damn kikes!!!

ITZ COMING!

My modem went out last week, and it took a few days to find the time to replace it, and then it's been several days since I'd bother to return to the VNN Forum.

Yeah, Steve, I understand your impression that tennis is a sport for pussies. But the guy I beat who dropped 15 pounds in our match was about 6'1" and 225. As I pointed out in my last thread, he was built like a running back. I saw his sister at the tournament watching. She was a big blonde girls, big boned and naturally muscled like her brother. She looked like one of those big German girls who play in the Wagner operas, with the Viking helmet, the spear and the bronze breast plates. Both she and her brother were excellent white racial stock. And the nigger I narrowly lost to (only because I'd had two tough three-set matches already) was about 6' 3", about 220 pounds. His name was Lucious Smith from Goldsboro, NC. Neither one of these guys were pussies. Both were big strong men. But unlike boxing, in tennis there are many ways to win. It is a game of contrasting styles and matchups. Strength can be countered with speed and quickness; endurance and grinding consistincy can trump both size, strength and speed; or sheer shot-making skill can win the day.

Like all sports, tennis players are getting bigger and faster all the time. 35 years ago, the average height of the top ten professional men tennis players in the world was about 5'9". Today it is 6'1". And pros who are 6'4" and 6'5" are quite common. Andre Agassi is about 5'11" and 170 pounds but can bench press 350. He has been able to extend his pro career into his mid-30s by a grueling physical conditioning program. Very few pros play to the age of 30.

But like boxing, singles is a one-on-one sport. So if you lose, there is nobody to blame but yourself. And it's not just a contest of skill, like bowling or golf, where you play againt the course and don't battle the other man. In tennis the contest is all about how you match up against your opponent, quite like fencing.

And you will have to agree that most boxers hit their professional peaks in their early to mid-30s. But with a few very rare exceptions like Agassi and Jimmy Connors, most tennis pros are retired from the main tour before age 30 simply because the sport is so damned physically demanding that their bodies will not hold up to age 30, at least not well enough for them to compete and win at the highest levels.

I'm 5'9" and 170 right now, btw. I would like to get back down to 160, but at age 50 that may be hard to do. I lift weights two days a week, run and walk about three miles several times a week, skip rope regularly and after work coach kids and teenagers at a local tennis academy three days a week, plus get in a couple of good practice sessions with other good adult players each week. Plus I have three kids of my own and a full-time job.

I don't think I'm a pussy. The average guy my age, white or black, is about 270, has diabetes and heart disease, can't get a hard dick anymore without viagra, and hasn't seen his dick for 15 years because his belly is so big. I've got a little girl who is two, so my stuff is still working fine. Just wish I could have as many fine younguns as Glenn did, though. That's an admirable mark I will not match, unfortunately.

[diabloblanco92]

Originally Posted by EdbergEdberg

And you are making all racially conscious whites appear to be idiots by maintaining that blacks have achieved their successes in boxing due to a rigged fight system that is stacked against superior white athletes.

Offer some real proof of this, or take your nonsense to Stormfront.

I'll grant that past black champions get more press than past white champions, but if a truly talented white fighter comes along, what is there to keep him from winning other than his opponent in the ring?

Perhaps we should ask Eric Gliebe his opinion on this subject. This is one area that his opinion should carry some weight.

Why don't we claim white superiority in areas where we are truly superior? By claiming that blacks are inferior to whites in things like boxing and basketball, guys like you make all white nationalists look like retards.

At best you should claim that the two races are roughly equal, that whites have certain advantages and so do blacks. I mentioned the things like thick skulls, long arms, heavier bone structure and natural quickness. By denying these things that can be eaily proven, you also discredit any white who argues that white people have superior brains than black people, based solely on the physical evidence.

Engage in personal attacks if you must, but I do have some experience in the boxing ring. I have fought against black and white opponents, and I know something of the sport other than just what I have read in the popular press.

I'm not here to glorify black athletes, but I'm not going to start denying reality when it offends my ideology. To do so would mark me as a mindless bigot. And that's not what I am. Maybe you guys are.

There are certainly loads of Whites who had the genetic potential to thrash these Blacks, The problem is that in our effeminied society, where it is supposed that there is an inverse realtionship between brain and brawn, most of them never stepped into a ring to begin with.
Think about it, Vasily Klitchko is not only now the heavyweight champ, but a PH D. Could this have happened in America or culturally corrupted western Europe?

Diablo

[Steve B]

Originally Posted by Rounder

About time you got your ass back on VNN, Edberg. Amazing exercise schedule you maintain. I don't like to talk about mine. So I'll exit and enjoy you, Steve B, and Will "go at it".

Damn Glenn...how can I "go at it" with you, Ed and Will when yer being nice to me? When I have my ass kissed I get soft-headed and soft-hearted!

Beat me up a little bit, piss on me, knock a few teeth out, back me into a corner, tell me I don't know what I'm talking about and I'm a dumbshit...then I'll come out swinging and get real mean and real nasty real fast!!!

As it is now, I'm feeling a Stuart Smally positive affirmation episode coming on!

I'm Good Enough, I'm Smart Enough, & Doggone It, People Like Me

[carl_rylander]

Tommy Morrison was the hardest puncher in the heavyweight division during my lifetime. His left-hook was devastating. The left hook Morrison disposed of Razor Ruddock with was the hardest blow I've ever seen a fighter land. It sent the negro crashing powerfully to the canvas like a sack of potatoes. It was a beautiful sight.

I think Morrison could have been great if he had had more stamina. I remember him giving Ray Mercer a merciless beating in the first four rounds of their fight until Morrison ran out of gas in the fifth and got knocked out.

Boxing is an enjoyable sport, and I enjoyed it much more when I was a young man. But looking at it now, there are obvious dangers from taking too many head blows. Stay in the sport long enough, take too many hard blows to the head, and you will pay a price eventually... about like smoking cigarettes and pot and drinking too much or snorting coke. Do too much and you will pay a price.

With this understanding, I can see why intelligent white people would not take up the sport. There are other ways to prove one's manhood and worth. I think some of the guys on here are just hung up on this issue. Perhaps they have some kind of inferiority complex regarding niggers, and the only way they can get over it is to prove that whites can whip nigger ass in the boxing ring.

Thankfully, this isn't what our struggle is about. It's about the survival and advancement of our race. Success in professional boxing is not really vital or even related to our Cause.

Whites do have a natural warrior instinct. They enjoy a good fight, and I suppose that is why the rougher contact sports are so popular with us.

But we should not forget that it is our brains and self-discipline that set us apart from the other races, and not so much our athletic or marital skills. Creativity and superb organizational skills are what win the day in the modern era.

[Steve B]

Originally Posted by sixpakistan

Boxing has been on a decline in the US for decades, actually. The people it mainly enjoys popularity with worldwide are Latinos (Mexicans and South Americans especially), Asians, and African-Americans. Europe's idol was "Prince" Naseem Hamed. They now have Joe Calzaghe and Ricky Hatton, two overrated fighters who don't face anyone except "tomato cans."



The person who made that statement has obviously never been in a ring in their life.

By the way, the Klitschko brothers are bums, so is Corrie Sanders. Wlad has no chin, Vitali has no skill. He couldn't put away the fat, out of shape and old Lennox Lewis, who made his face look like hamburger. And Sanders is a fat pro golfer.

And Marciano would've been beaten by Foreman, Ali, Frazier, Tyson, Lewis, and possibly Holmes (who were all black fighters). A younger Joe Louis (who had blinding handspeed) would've beaten him also. He fought Louis when Louis was O L D.

Shuddup nigger...you don't know what the fuck yer talking about! When niggers lose it's because they be to "old". When White men lose it's because they were outfought!

The Klitschko brothers have fucked up more niggers than yo mamma! Sanders has a 42-2 record. 42 nigs destroyed, boy!

Foreman was destroyed my Tommy Morrison, Ali got was nearly knocked out my a 185 lb White guy by the name of Henery Cooper, Tysons a lisping faggot who was carried his whole life and got clocked by diabetic lard bucket bum by the name of James Douglas, Larry Holmes was fucked in the ass by Brian Nielsen of Denmark. As for the "great Joe louis...what a joke!

The nigger Louis was knocked out by a past-his-prime Max Schmeling while in his prime, so he wasn't unbeatable even then. After the Marciano-Louis fight, Louis remarked that he had never fought anyone who hit as hard as Marciano.

"One point I would like to make is this; Joe himself said several times that he thought in their primes Rocky would have beaten him. In the May, 1990 issue of Boxing Illustrated, Joe Louis was quoted as saying, "very few people knew this, but I had a weakness, a bad weakness. I didn't like to be crowded. And that was Marciano's thing. He always crowded. I knew I could never beat Rocky." Half of any fight is believing you're going to win and if Louis believed he'd lose against The Rock no matter when they fought, then it's very probable he was right.
Charlie Goldman was asked about this very thing after Rocky knocked out an aging Joe Louis and said, "It would have been a shorter fight. A younger Louis would have come after Rocky. And nobody can survive coming to Marciano."

http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/A...47//Rock4.html

So whaddya ya say now you nigger faggot phoney posing as a "paki WN? You down low mud pukes make me sick!

A White man will always have his foot on your slender girlie necks, boy!

Dats dey way of the world, chump!

Are you still Talking shit MUD.I am a former Golden Gloves.I would love to step in the PIT with you anytime.I am also a Bouncer by Trade.I would love to crash your skull.YOU AINT SHIT MUD.I feel Rocky Marciano and Jack Dempsey were and still are the Greatest Fighters to Ever Live.Now go lay by your dish Mud !!!!!! S.S.

[Steve B]

Originally Posted by sixpakistan

Tell me where you live, let's get in a ring sometime.



Sorry, but Rocky Marciano's achievements don't reflect on you at all. Like I said, let's get in a ring sometime.

PM me your name and address, boy! I'll hook up with you. But no faggot gloves, rules and a ref that you nigger boys love so much.

No rules, no holds barred anything thing goes, that ok with you faggot?

[Antiochus Epiphanes]

skip that steve, this is a public message board and any shit could come on here and yap to lure people into either getting roled by superior numbers or arrested for some shit. skip it.

as for Pakman, how could you think Joe Louis was anything. Ali and Foreman both beat the bejuzus out of that little brown turd. He was good at taking a beating and still walking foreward. I saw Foreman knock his ass down so many times in one fight it was a joke.

Hey did I ever tell you guys the time I met ali in a barnes and noble? He said "hmrpfhs....ggggbbllhhd" The guy is really tall even though he stoops now, and let me tell you, his hand is fucking huge.

[Steve B]

Originally Posted by Antiochus Epiphanes

skip that steve, this is a public message board and any shit could come on here and yap to lure people into either getting roled by superior numbers or arrested for some shit. skip it.

as for Pakman, how could you think Joe Louis was anything. Ali and Foreman both beat the bejuzus out of that little brown turd. He was good at taking a beating and still walking foreward. I saw Foreman knock his ass down so many times in one fight it was a joke.

Uhhh, no offense there AE...but I think you're confusing Joe Louis with Joe Frazier.

It's an honest mistake that many make.... as monkeys all look the same to humans!

[Antiochus Epiphanes]

Originally Posted by Steve B

Uhhh, no offense there AE...but I think you're confusing Joe Louis with Joe Frazier.

It's an honest mistake that many make.... as monkeys all look the same to humans!

right! so true.

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"The Brockton Blockbuster"(1923-1969) 49-0 He is from my home state of Mass. Only I am from Boston. Rocco Marchegiano,Rocky Marciano best boxer ever. No moolinyan could beat him. I bet he could knock Clay's teeth out. The Italian dies before the Negro. Boston is pretty white(for a big city) Damn libs letting the faggots get married in Mass. New England in general is far more white than other regions but look where it is near. I-95, I came up with a theory on that. Uneducated Negros just travel on that on move to the city to the next. Southern England is ghetto.