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Ok Einstein so the space experts say
* "very strange" * "never seen anything like it" * "last place you'd expect to see a six-sided geometric figure" But to you it is a common as ants at a picnic, so you disagree just for the sake to disagree with nothing to back you up, a few pics and the "floating Saturn theory" is it, oh yeah and do not forget about the FRICTION sheesh, you keep throwing God and jews in the mix as if that has anything to do with this ... And you wonder why some people think you are a idiot ? It is a SUPER FORCE repeat after me SUPER FORCE and even space scientist who have spent their lives studying these things are puzzled over this, they need to study from psychologicalshock theory ? Spare me
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Why are you calling me a Jew Holly?
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The fact of the matter is that even the SUPER Force of the sun can be emulated on Earth by a process known as Nuclear fusion. Small models in physical science are often what a lot of astronomy is based on and generally it would be nigh impossible to study it otherwise. What you call a SUPER force is actually the properties of weather on a much larger planet than our's. The principal is the same except that it loops - heat rises but the surface is ammonia ice so the heat actually escapes and thus the area around a gas giant is warm. Not surprisingly Saturn also has massive thunder storms which makes sense considering it too has an electric field. http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap050225.html As for the hexagon - it's an exception in a solar system full of exceptional planets and moons. Considering we're a system of only 8 planets it's not surprising that the planets are so varied. As for theories, there are already theories for this phenomenon and you could easily look them up in a professional library. I honestly have never tried to have any large theory for this phenomenon simply made a comparison to Earth where rapid spinning substances create geometric shapes as well. The only purpose of it was to make the point that geometric shapes aren't uncommon formations and thus shouldn't be judged as supernatural or pseudonatural. |
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I would think you would take it as a compliment to be called Einstein, no one accuses him of being dumb right ?
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I am trying hard not to insult you, you obviously are not dumb, just stubborn and uh, dense ? I have said days ago ""Unnatural" does not imply it is impossible, freakish or evil" who here said the devil is at work on Saturn ? This is only in your mind, I have not said it, I have seen no one else here say it, apparently you have it in mind that must be what we think, so there you go again trying to make a issue of something which is not even there. Fine, if you like to argue with yourself, not fine if you like reasonable debate with people of a variety of views. Let me repeat, I do not view this as supernatural, unGodly, caused by ET or jews. A force of nature has caused this, a very uncommon force which I, and the best of scientist space minds, do not pretend to understand complete. Also I do not recall saying that geometric shapes in themselve are rare, obviously they are not. What is rare is to have a geometric shape weather pattern lasting for years, it is not only rare but completely unheard of until now.
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psychologicalshock whatever your name may be, it is obvious we have come to a dead end.
Even though a years lasting massive hex pattern weather system is unknown until this, even though the best space science minds [except yours of course] can not explain this very unusual system, you would have me believe in the "shit happens" theory, where everything is perfectly explained if only you believe it is so. That is not the way my mind works and so I will state " I am right, you are wrong" and that is final. Even what you have posted as some proof of your way of thinking ends mostly in thoughts just as mine. "a correspondence that indicates a link between the hexagonal surface feature and the planet's interior" "Godfrey is not sure what causes the hexagon, but he believes that it may be the surface expression of a cylindrical zone that continues to great depths and rotates around Saturn's axis." And I said in post #9 3 days ago "It would have to be some sort of magnet force, and/or some feature on the planet itself with strong gravity which forces the air above it into this shape." "The large lifetime of both features indicates that they are insensitive to the strong variations in the seasonal heating of the cloud layers in the upper polar atmosphere." " insensitive to the strong variations in the seasonal heating of the cloud layers" .... A Super Force ? Why, yes. Mock it if you like, it is the truth. "A bizarre, hexagonal-shaped whirl straddles Saturn's north pole" "Bizzare" = Not Common, let it sink in, please, and do not point me to a whirlpool in a cup as proof of your theory.
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I believe that your largest problem is that you don't quite understand what a Force is , which is understandable considering that the definition is extremely slippery, this is one of the few times id recommend wikipedia simply because it has a large collection of short descriptions for them all http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Force Last edited by psychologicalshock; May 2nd, 2008 at 05:55 PM. |
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I am glad you remember you mothers advice, perhaps it was given to you very recently ?
I can only repeat, I am right, you are wrong. End of the story.
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Second of all, you said its hard to imagine what sort of force would do this and the fact of the matter is it isn't hard to imagine what force is motivating this hexagon to keep spinning. The question is why is it a hexagon? The theories mentioned above explain it quite well without the use of any imagination. "David Godfrey of the National Optical Astronomy Observatories has discovered an unusual hexagonal cloud feature around Saturn's north pole at a latitude of 76[degree], roughly 14,000 kilometers from the pole. Godfrey made the discovery through composite imaging of photographs taken of Saturn by Voyager. The dark hexagon is a jet stream that exists in a standing wave pattern high in Saturn's atmosphere. It rotates around the pole once every 10 hours and 39 minutes. This time period is also believed to be Saturn's rate of rotation at a depth of approximately halfway to the planet's core. Godfrey is not sure what causes the hexagon, but he believes that it may be the surface expression of a cylindrical zone that continues to great depths and rotates around Saturn's axis." The view point you take is egoistic and not scientific. You obviously don't know much on this subject matter so to be honest it really doesn't make a difference if you think you're right or not. Sean will keep thinking ammonia kills plants and you'll keep thinking some mythical super forces are at work in the universe. What can I do about that? Just about nothing, it's not something that can be cured. |
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Yes I will.
Speaking of which isn't it a bit ironic that you call me childish when you're acting like a toddler who didn't get her way? Talk about an over inflated ego too. If you're so right what does it matter? You're likely mad because if I don't shut up people will think you're inept. Trust me Holly , if you had tied all the loose ends with grace I would have let you off the hook and admitted that you are right, but I am afraid that's not how it is. Last edited by psychologicalshock; May 3rd, 2008 at 03:31 PM. |
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It has to be this. You can create really strange, non-intuitive patterns in liquids with standing waves, including squares, hexagons, and so on.
To be fair to Holly, to see a giant, long-lived hexagon pattern in the atmosphere of Saturn is very, very odd. But, I'd bet there is even stranger stuff out there. And a natural cause for all of it. Enkidu
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Holly and psychshock:
irresistible (ahem) SUPER force meeting an immovable object. btw psychshock is more in the right on this one.
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I am sure he must be overjoyed to have a forum troll on his side, poetic justice if you ask me.
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I would be too.
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Not only odd, it has never been known to happen anywhere in the universe at any time, the best space minds cannot think of the force which creates it, but ask whats his name, he will point you to a cheesy pic of a whirlpool in a cup and say "problem solved" . Simple solutions for simple minds is all I can say.
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