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Old January 27th, 2013 #1
David S
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Ok all you former Alliance members, I've read you're post for years on various sites and heard you're complaints in person. The National Alliance, a once great organization, has been turned into a joke by the head clown Erich Gliebe.
Well here's you're chance to change that. Posted below is a call to arms from Jim Ring for every current and former member to do they're part, I'll let Jim explain...



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A Message of Hope for the National Alliance
To the board of directors and our members current and resigned:

Part 1: The Problem

In mid-October of the previous year I made a heart wrenching decision to resign from the organization after 22 years of service. I could do nothing else at that point, as I couldn't with good conscious continue working with the current chairman for the reasons I’ve already outlined to the Board of Directors in a communication to them that was ignored.

I had extensive talks with the chairman over the miserable state of the organization under his long tenure of this past demoralizing decade. I told him then, some common sense things that absolutely had to be done to turn things around; how he was lacking in his responsibility to us all, and that he needed to make the necessary changes himself, or otherwise select or suggest a new man to take his place to the Board of Directors.

A second reason for my resignation was to give the chairman, the board, and everyone a wake-up call of sorts. I thought that maybe by my drastic and surprising action, the loss of my participation would be a catalyst for the chairman to take the necessary steps needed to save the organization from going into complete obscurity. I would sacrifice that, if that's what it took to wake the chairman from his continuous slumber and inattention, even though Alliance work was my life. To the chairman, the lack of progress over the years has always been the fault of others, of nebulous “agent provocateurs” and “troublemakers”, never his own. What does that sound like? The answer can be found on page 64 of the National Alliance member’s Handbook (3.iii.6).

Little did I realize then, that my resignation would spark a flurry of other resignations from many of the most significant people in the Alliance including the remaining unit coordinators, (now there are NONE) and Dr. Pierce's brother (our only bond of living blood to our beloved founder and a long-time member) to mention a few, as well as dozens of rank and file members across the country including the entire Sacramento local unit, the Alliance's only active chapter left in the entire United States. They all have removed themselves mostly by not paying their pledges any longer, while others have chosen to write to the chairman, mostly by email and some by mail expressing their intent of resignation.

As the resignations continued to pour in, I was going to just leave it at that, and move on, begrudgingly I might add. Unfortunately there isn't anything out there to move on to, moving on to another pro-White group is not an option for us, as there is nothing that is comparable to the world view of the Alliance; essentially a National Socialistic world view that promotes its message in an intelligent, responsible, professional manner that can be accepted by a growing number of our people. There is absolutely no reason why the Alliance should not be successful and robust, instead of stagnating and barely “hanging on to life.” It has a program that can appeal to people, good people, quality people; the type of people we want, and can help make us successful. Only the Alliance has the potential in North America to become a revolutionary force to be reckoned with in the future, our enemies know this.

Very recently the chairman told one resigned Sacramento unit member that he wanted to turn the Alliance away from its established world-view, as outlined in the membership handbook which states that our creed is based upon “the eternal truths embodied in the National Socialist idea… (page 113) and that Alliance members acknowledge the debt we owe to Adolf Hitler.” The handbook goes on to state that the National Socialist idea is a powerful recruiting tool for opening the minds of potential recruits to the Alliance's message. These words of the handbook are the words of Dr. Pierce himself. The chairman however, didn't realize that the member he was speaking to is a National Socialist. The message he gave wasn't appreciated, and only hardened the member’s attitude.

Over the past 10 years we have stayed stuck in the past, haven't been aggressive in our outreach and recruiting, been woefully lacking in keeping up with technology, have demonstrated an inferior work ethic, have scandalously not provided good service nor communication to members and prospects, and have lost all the respect we once had under Dr. Pierce. Since his passing, and especially so in the past 7 years, we've sat and “watched the world go by.” Instead of having a measure of respect for us, our enemies, and consequently potential prospects, see us or more specifically the chairman, as a “laughing stock.”

Mr. Gliebe even suggested to the former member mentioned above that the name National Alliance perhaps should be discontinued or changed all together, as the name has been “tarnished and dragged through the mud for too many years now.” I maintain that the tarnish on the National Alliance's name is ultimately his responsibility. The tarnish and mud on the Alliance's name are sticking due to his name being associated with it.

The time for the Alliance is now! For years, we have been missing great opportunities to become the most respected and effective revolutionary voice for our people's interests. This new century should be a treasure trove of new interest and recruits, as the New World Order is reaching its zenith, and we all know that in the end it is a doomed New World Order, and we must absolutely struggle to be in a position to take advantage of that when the time comes, and work “hand in glove” with Almighty Nature as her human agents. The National Alliance can be a historical inevitability, as that’s what Dr. Pierce meant and wanted it to be.

As a consequence of all this, many people have been asking me: “Isn't there something that can be done?” “Isn't there anything more you can do?” “Are we just going to let it be without a struggle?” “Why doesn't the chairman do the right thing for the Alliance?” “Why won’t the board members communicate with you?”

As the chairman fully realizes the state of many people’s opinions about his mismanagement of the affairs of the Alliance, he nonetheless refuses to make the necessary changes that are critical now, not just for success, but for the very survival of the organization. He not only will make no changes to his own personal situation to remedy our problems, but also will not step aside for a qualified replacement. I pleaded with him to relieve the stagnation of the organization by doing one or the other. Appeals to the Board of Directors have thus far produced only silence; not even an acknowledgment of the petition of grievance, let alone any consideration of it.

However, through this type of communication, that originally I wouldn't have considered as it is not “my style”, I am responding to the wishes of others. There are other good people who like myself have felt the need to leave under the circumstances, knowing how great the Alliance could be with a dedicated, full-time, honest leader, utilizing every possible opportunity to move the organization forward; instead of these many years of stasis, never ending “soap opera” type dramas, moving backwards and taking ill advantage, and otherwise alienating good members with personal financial shenanigans.

As the current chairman is unable to keep his own personal house in order, how could we expect him to keep organizational affairs in order, as he feels it necessary for him to extract monies for himself from trusting members, who would have otherwise been able to contribute to the movement. I know this to be a fact, as I’ve seen the chairman's careless evidence myself and have in fact been approached by him, “hat in hand” asking for personal monies, as have many other members. We're not talking of hundreds of dollars here. We're speaking of many thousands of dollars from a number of members over the years. I would venture a guess of multiple tens of thousands over the past decade.
The movement suffers for funds each time the chairman approaches yet another unsuspecting member, and the member isn't paid back when the transaction is called a “loan.” We lost some good members in this manner, simply because the chairman doesn't know how to live within his means. It is our people’s sense of altruism that makes them easy victims. A friend of mine has said that our people’s sense of trust and dedication can be manipulated to a fault, and this situation is a classic example.

When I mention that this type of communication isn't "my style", I’m saying that the method in which it is conveyed, using the internet, isn't "my style." The words I express are heartfelt, but I would have preferred to get my message out internally to all the members, which unfortunately I wasn't able to do. I’ve been able to alert many, but not all. Perhaps now, I can reach more.

When all this took place this past October (2012) almost two weeks after the most dismal, sparsely attended National Office meeting I had ever been to, people on the internet expressed the sentiment that by my silence on this medium, “I was using a page from Dr. Pierces’ playbook” I think one person called it. And that is true to some extent, this is not the route I wanted to take, but it is the only route now, to get a message out to the members. However an advantage is that I am now increasing the chances of former members reading this, and it will give them cause for new hope, and perhaps they will return to the National Alliance.

(Speaking of that meeting a moment longer, a “lieutenant” for the chairman recently wrote a letter to who he thought was a remaining member and told this person that I had tried to “pull a stunt” at the meeting in October. I call this man a Liar. This “lieutenant” even agreed with me a day before the conference, during a lengthy one to one conversation, almost in totality what I’m trying to convey to you here in this statement. Afterward he simply got “cold-feet”, and decided to do and say otherwise. That meeting went according to its haphazardly planned agenda. I played my part as one of its speakers and gave one of the best presentations of the afternoon, save perhaps one inspiring talk given by a young man there who used his opportunity to honor his father, a long time member who recently passed on. One of the board members was present and can certainly attest to the fact that there weren’t any disruptions, or any “stunts” having taken place at that meeting. At the meeting's conclusion, I was presented a gold Life Rune pin by the chairman for my years of service. I could have not accepted the “honor” and denounced the chairman in front of everyone then, but I didn't. It was difficult to get my energy up to deliver any kind of message, either positive or critical in front of such a pitifully small “National” audience (only 19 attendees with just 11 actual members taking away myself, the chairman and one office staff person. At least 5 of those members have now resigned).

Conversely, the enemies of our people and the various play-actors of the internet, now have another little something to titillate their hobbyist interests. I had to make a mental weighing of the scales in this decision, and obviously you see my judgment. That is how critical the situation is.

A risk must be taken and I’m throwing the dice of Fate. I am receiving accolades for this from many, but I know I am also going to hear the “brickbats” as well, from at least a few. If anyone is offended, then is not with malice, but with necessity that you are offended, and that counts much higher in my estimation than your feelings or opinions. There is something much greater at stake here than just ourselves as individuals. A whole grand idea is at stake. A movement is at stake. Indeed the future of our people is at stake, and we are the only ones who can move the wheel of history to our favor. And there are several individuals who are standing in the way of what could be history in the making; the National Alliance. They must give way! They must stand aside!

The members expect me to stand for their interests. I cannot, and will not let them down. And on a more personal note, I cannot sit back and do nothing, and leave my son with no hope whatsoever. He is a young man and was an energetic and talented resource for Our Cause. He built two of the Alliance's best websites ever, and was instrumental in local activism with his unit. I cannot, and will not let the cause of the National Alliance go asunder, without a struggle for it, now especially that the chairman declares his intent to take National Socialism away from who we are. National Socialism is our very essence!

Part 2: The Solution

Your help and participation are needed. This is your opportunity to let the board members know what you think. If you do, you'll have to “snail” mail them, as it is only this contact information that is made public through the Commonwealth of Virginia. Perhaps with a number of people writing in more impact will take effect. There are other ways to contact them, but I’d rather you do it through the mail, as they are listed with the state of Virginia and this is information anyone can access on the internet.

Now it is one thing to encourage you to give your voice, but something would be lacking if either you or the Board of Directors were to be thinking about relieving someone of their post without having any idea of who would or could replace the vacancy. It is here I am putting myself forward for consideration for the Board, as the necessary replacement for Erich Gliebe. Now neither you, nor the Board has to wonder about this essential element.

I know the Alliance can be successful, and I think that I can achieve what the Good Doctor was aiming for, and keep our worldview intact. I’ve demonstrated it many times in the past years working with the public in public venues. I know that a small, but significant number of our people are ready for us and ready now!

But we must be able to demonstrate that we can deliver the goods; that we can provide good service to our people, whether they are our members, or customers, or potential prospects. We must consistently and promptly communicate with people, and be available to them in a timely manner. We must deliver our product(s) on schedule, whether it is a newsletter, a broadcast, news posts, or a magazine. When things go wrong we must be up front and forthright. We must set goals for ourselves and work to achieve them, and be willing to report our achievements or shortcomings to the members in an open, honest manner. In this way we can develop greater and more enthusiastic participation from our adherents, because they will trust their leaders.

Through proper leadership, the National Alliance must operate as a full-time movement with activists all over the country advocating its cause, not administered by someone who treats it as a part-time job/club. In this vein, I have received messages of support from people from former units that have pledged to rejoin and reorganize, including the Alliance's stellar Sacramento unit. The unit coordinators will come back. The members will come back. Members who left long ago will come back, probably hundreds of them reading this on the internet.

I have received pledges from many other individuals who will rejoin the effort from around the country. Most telling I think of all these individuals is the long-time member and brother of Dr. Pierce himself, who has pledged his support for me in this effort to effect positive changes to stimulate growth for the National Alliance. I feel proud to have this man's blessing to save the National Alliance from the dark place it lives now.

I want to see a vibrant movement. And when I say movement, I mean it in every sense of the word. The Alliance certainly isn't that any more, but it can be, and with your help, will be once again. We can regain all the lost ground over these years and I will see that it happens. We will grow and have units again. I will not waste any meaningful opportunity to represent Our Cause to the media, to send out press releases, to invite media personnel to our office. The chairman has told a now resigned coordinator that he wasn't comfortable interacting with the media. That certainly is telling by his reluctance to deal with the media, as he for years now has been ignoring requests for interviews and statements from the press, thus we have been off the radar screen for many years. I’ve always maintained that enemy media coverage cannot build a movement, but nonetheless it is an element of getting our name out into the public, and that shouldn't be over-looked or ignored.

The National office will be a place of work again, and as a consequence a place of life, as I will live and work solely from the office in West Virginia, and as resources grow I’ll increase the staff as necessary, thus accommodating and providing service to our growing supporters and membership. The National Office is currently staffed by one lone worker as the chairman refuses to live or work there and instead resides in a suburban home in the Cleveland area, working only part-time for us, incurring expenses beyond his means.

The National Office has deteriorated badly over the years of neglect. Once the office is cleaned up and made serviceable once again, we must make efforts to begin maintaining the physical infrastructure to arrest the decay. Even the Life Rune on the office's front facade is now rusting; a visual sign of the decay that has befallen the National Alliance. There are junk cars creating an eye-sore at the office's front walk way. The Dr. Pierce Memorial Hall too, is unusable for meetings due to neglect, as there is no money for repairs, this too will change. We will once again have meetings there, and great numbers of members will eventually fill the hall once again. It can be so because we want it to be, and I will work my hardest to make it a reality working full-time, six and seven days a week.

The Alliance is the only group in the country with such a vast piece of property, and a complex with an office building, warehouse, and meeting hall. The entire property is virtually unused, except for logging operations, which are used to glean money from lack of human support. In this respect, Nature has been made to pay the bills instead of our own people, as we have lost most of our people, but have plenty of trees; this will stop. It will stop because there will no longer be the need to do such acts of destruction to the land.

Our property will become the spiritual home of our people, as Dr. Pierce envisioned a working community there. People will come during their time off, to help with work projects and to have a beautiful place for their families and children to come and enjoy a piece of “wild, wonderful West Virginia.” There will be events spanning the long holiday weekends, where coming to a “conference” isn't just coming to listen to a single afternoon of speeches, but to come and camp, cook-out, have sporting events and work parties, activism seminars by experts in various fields of movement promotion, weddings and other family events, torchlight processions to the top of “Pierce Peak”, singing with comrades and communing with magnificent Nature and the spirit of our founder and the ancestors. The forgotten Dr. Pierce Memorial Garden will come to bloom as well.

I will create a real membership program and draw a definite distinction between the true member, and basic financial supporters. If you want to affect the course of history you must have a movement, something that people live and breathe, not a part-time club you just send dues payments to, and get a newsletter now and again. The blueprint for successful organization comes directly from the very source that the current chairman now wants to remove us from; the philosophy of life; National Socialism and the great book its founder authored.

All this, I envision and more. I will draw my vision for you, but you must help in its realization. There is only so much we can do here. Our power unfortunately is limited, but I will use what power and influence I do have to effect a change. You can help me achieve that, as it can be a victory for all of us, and therefore needs participation from people who want to see a new era for the National Alliance begin.

I have a lot of experience, almost 45 years of it, as I’ve been working for the interests of my people since 1968. I’ve been working for the Alliance these past 22 years. During that time I’ve spent 15 years as a unit coordinator and have served in many facets of National Office capacities, representing Our Cause for both Dr. Pierce and the current chairman. Previous to that, I spent almost 20 years with another, at the time, prominent organization of which 6 years were spent as its National Organizer; I also served full-time on its National Office staff for 3 1/2 years.

The worst charge the chairman has leveled at me since my resignation, that I am aware of thus far, is being an Empire Builder. Yes, I am very successful in organizing and inspiring people. I lead by example. As a consequence people have faith in my ability and my intention and spirit are never in question, as I know my stalwart comrades from the former unit and other members will testify. I have never attempted to build a splinter organization from my local organization, as the chairman is inferring by the use of the term Empire Builder.

I worked solely for the interests of Our Cause, despite the lack of interest and work from the chairman. Not only did I organize my local unit, but also helped to organize other members in southern California and Las Vegas as evidenced by the newsletter, reporting month after month of our good works. But in the general sense of the term, Empire Builder, I certainly want to do all I can to build Dr. Pierce's mission, and build us back at least to the point we were at when he passed on. We’ll have to do some catching up with the clock to get to where we should be today.

Additionally, I have experience in political campaigns and in the actual ups and downs of community building working with a group trying to create a physical basis for one. I have experience here that few in the country have ever had.

I have experience and am comfortable in dialog with the media. Over the decades I have made television appearances, as well as radio and newspaper interviews. My most recent media interview was for the Alliance two years ago, on a 90 minute talk show on radio, which I really enjoyed. Directly related to that is my speaking ability, due to which the chairman has a number of times referred to me as the best speaker in the Alliance.

I am also a fair writer having contributed an article in every issue (10 issues) of National Vanguard magazine since 2006. The last issue came out in 2009. There is currently a new issue in the offing, which also includes an article of mine, but has been collecting dust for the past two years and has not yet been printed due to the chairman’s neglect.

Up until the last issue, I have written many articles for the member’s bulletin over the years. Much of what I wrote didn't have my name attached to it. When you read an article about activism in the newsletter, more often than not I authored it, whether it was about our unit's activities or those of other individuals across the country. I tried my best to encourage people to get active and let members know through the newsletter of their good works. This in turn inspired others to try their hand. I always told the chairman that the benchmark of a good newsletter was when it was filled up with stories related to pushing the movement forward. When it was filled with Mr. Gliebe's old ADV scripts, I considered it a failed issue.

One time a member asked the chairman that if something should happen to him who he would want to take his place. His answer was my name and he described me as the “real deal.” Of course, I’m certain that answer has changed now, but my point is that this is how he sees my qualifications. He's right, I am the “real deal.”

A common theme I hear from members is that they think the chairman should be an educated man with a university degree. Although I’m certainly not in the league of Dr. Pierce and I do think that there are many intelligent people out there who haven't been to college, I am an intelligent man with a university degree in business management. So I have a good common sense approach to proper fiscal management of the people’s money, your money. In the subject themes of Our Cause, including National Socialism, I am like most of you self-educated, being very well-read.

Together we can accomplish the task. Right now, only two people are blocking the path and the chairman isn't one of them any longer. It’s the two Board of Director members. Hence forth, it is not the chairman who is responsible for the sad state of the National Alliance. The responsibility now lies squarely and solely on the two Board of Director members; they will determine the fate of the National Alliance.

If they do nothing, history will condemn them. They know they have the legal power to make the major change that we need for the success of the Alliance. Otherwise, they choose to continue on the road to total obscurity. They must see the necessity of using their power now.

Does the resignation of the Officer Corps mean anything to them? Does the loss of many members mean anything to them? Does the resignation of Dr. Pierce's brother mean anything to them?

If they decide to do the right thing, certainly, it will take courage. They must muster it and overcome themselves, and not be afraid to offend the chairman despite their personal friendship with him. His feelings are insignificant to what is at stake. He’ll get over it, will the National Alliance?

The chairman wasn't sent from Heaven to us. He wasn't even named by Dr. Pierce as a successor. He was selected by a Board of Directors from a field of candidates a decade ago; a candidate that particular board came to regret. Hundreds of members have been regretting it since then and have left. Perhaps their number even goes to the thousands, I wouldn't doubt. Alas, I and many other good people I’ve told you about are now gone, in yet another round of the convulsions that are bound to come when the membership has to lead the leadership.

Board members; it is not our job, nor yours to hold the chairman's hand!

You need to do some soul searching and you are in a position that you're not prepared for. You probably never thought the responsibility would fall onto you, but it has and it's your choice. That’s the responsibility that comes with your position. A moment’s courage for this board is all it takes. To begin, all you need to do is pick up the phone or write an email. It’ll become easier after that as we begin a dialog. Let’s simply begin with a discussion.

And if anyone thinks that getting a large estate left to the Alliance in the near term will save the organization (something that may or perhaps may not even come to fruition); I warn you, as I warned the chairman the following:

“No amount of money, even if it be hundreds of thousands of dollars, can solve the issues of the Alliance if left to the same lack of leadership, dishonesty and demoralization of the membership. No amount of money can solve a human resource problem. It takes leadership and people to make a movement. Money is a necessary auxiliary, but it is secondary to good quality people. And that's what our movement is all about; the people; quality people, the life of the Race.”

The Alliance operates on the leadership principle. And the leaders and many members within the Alliance have come to the conclusion and by now judgment, that there isn't any leadership from the chairman's office. If we say we operate on the leadership principle, then let's get one. These past ten years of lackadaisical leadership to virtually none at all now, has set us back much too long. I can change this, but that's totally up to the board members. I am ready to discuss particulars with them to prepare the way for a change and negotiate for a satisfactory arrangement between them and myself.

I am offering to make a trip to the National Office to discuss matters with the board members including the chairman. I’m ready when you are. I am ready for a new era for the National Alliance, are you?

Members and resigned or former members only: get your pen, paper, and stamps out, and write to the board members. If you know them personally then call or email them. Mr. Gliebe is now out of the picture. It is the board who is now responsible for the National Alliance. The board members' mailing addresses can be found at natallnews.net.

Ready yourselves for a bright rebirth of Our Cause as envisioned by our founder, or continue to watch the darkness completely overtake Dr. Pierce's years of hard work. In either case, his inspiring words still belong to all of us and will continue to motivate us.

Thank you for your consideration.

Sincerely,
Jim Ring

Jim had taken on many duties of the chairman and of the office for several years before his resignation in order to try and keep Dr. Pierce's organization alive, without getting paid or thanked by Gliebe or the board of directors. Jim has the energy and drive to run the Alliance and is backed by many competent people who will bring the Alliance back to its former glory, if the board of directors can be convinced to dump Gliebe and elect Jim Ring you will see a great resurgence of membership with most or all of the unit coordinators coming back.
Listed below are the addresses of the board members (yes, Erich has widdled it down to two from five over the years). All current and former members should write them and be sure to include you're membership number if you still have it.
Lets see how many letters we can send these guys.

JAYNE CARTWRIGHT
7845 STATE RD.
PARMA, OH, 44134

RYAN MAZIARKA
3231 KINGS CREEK RD.
HAYES, VA, 23072
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Old January 27th, 2013 #2
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Any chance you can sum up the above, David S.? It is simply too long to read.
 
Old January 28th, 2013 #3
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Any chance you can sum up the above, David S.? It is simply too long to read.
Sorry Alex.

Erich Gliebe refuses to step down despite the fact that him being chairman is killing the Alliance. All of the coordinators and most of the remaining members, including Dr. Pierce's brother Sanders Pierce, have resigned or stoped paying their dues in protest to try to get Gliebe to step down to no avail.
The board of directors is as complicit as Gliebe as it is their responsibility to discharge an incompetent chairman and elect a new one, so instead of trying to convince Gliebe to step down (which he wont do) every current and former member of the Alliance is encouraged to write the members of the board and state you're displeasure at the lack of leadership and make sure they know that if the Alliance fails it will not be Gliebe only who will be remembered as the one who killed the National Alliance.
Jim Ring is throwing his hat into the ring to to replace Gliebe, which will only make official what Jim has been doing de facto for a number of years. Jim, along with his son Connor and the Sacramento unit at large has ran and been responsible for most of the activism within the National Alliance.
This is the last chance to save the great work of Dr. Pierce, if we fail we will have to start from scratch as opposed to having an organization with a national headquarters on 400 acres complete with a publishing arm and a record label.

Write to the addresses below and tel these yahoos to get off their ass and do their job. 14-88

JAYNE CARTWRIGHT
7845 STATE RD.
PARMA, OH, 44134

RYAN MAZIARKA
3231 KINGS CREEK RD.
HAYES, VA, 23072
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Old January 28th, 2013 #4
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Just curious: has Gliebe put forth a defense of his chairmanship? I don't know if I've ever heard someone say they thought he was doing well.
 
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Just curious: has Gliebe put forth a defense of his chairmanship? I don't know if I've ever heard someone say they thought he was doing well.
No, he meets his criticism with silence, except to accuse Jim of empire building, and pretends that everything is fine. Truth is the Alliance hangs by a thread.
 
Old January 28th, 2013 #6
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Not sure what Dr. Pierce would make of all this

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Old January 31st, 2013 #7
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Jim Ring is one Hell of an organizer. His heart is in the right place, but I would really be surprised to see these people suddenly do the right thing. These people were handpicked to rubberstamp Erich Gliebe's activites. Do you really see them voting him out? Does anyone remember back when the NA had a Board that was picked by Dr. Pierce and that when a couple of them were ready to act they were threatened and attempts were made to cause major disruptions in their lives? I'm not going to relive that chapter of the NA here, but the info is out there for those that care to know.

I do agree that sadly there really is not much out there. Some of the best people that I've ever known and I made quite a few friendships through the NA. Several times I personally went to a new members home and was made to feel like a relative. They didn't know me, I didn't know them, but the comradeship and trust was there.

It's a real shame that Dr. Pierce didn't name a Chairman prior to his death. I believe that he really thought he'd be around a little longer and would have time to take care of things.

I will take the time to write these individuals. At the very least I owe that to Dr. Pierce and to the future of the White race.
 
Old January 31st, 2013 #8
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How come this gets so little attention here?

I think it is most interesting and crucial development that happened in a while.

I am not an American but I hope Jim Ring will succeed and bring back the spirit of the good old NA.

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I respect Jim Ring and he has many good ideas, but I hope he isn't wasting his time.

This approach has been tried before and failed miserably.

My question is this: why not just start a new group (e.g. "William Pierce Society" or "National Legacy") and use Dr. Pierce's writings for the basis of the group?

The National Alliance (Erich Gliebe) is in no position to bring legal action for any sort of copyright violation.

It's my opinion that as much as Dr. Pierce enjoyed that land he'd think less of us obsessing over it instead of starting something new and getting on with business.
 
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No, he meets his criticism with silence, except to accuse Jim of empire building, and pretends that everything is fine. Truth is the Alliance hangs by a thread.
This Gliebe bastard only wants to use what is left of Alliance assets to make his
child support payments so he can stay out of jail. Gliebe is worthless white trash scum and needs to be terminated.
 
Old February 1st, 2013 #11
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I respect Jim Ring and he has many good ideas, but I hope he isn't wasting his time.

This approach has been tried before and failed miserably.

My question is this: why not just start a new group (e.g. "William Pierce Society" or "National Legacy") and use Dr. Pierce's writings for the basis of the group?

The National Alliance (Erich Gliebe) is in no position to bring legal action for any sort of copyright violation.

It's my opinion that as much as Dr. Pierce enjoyed that land he'd think less of us obsessing over it instead of starting something new and getting on with business.
Didn't several well meaning folks try to get National Vanguard going around 2005? Hard to believe that the property has fallen into such disrepair. I can recall helping Fred park cars and only the nicer looking ones were allowed by the HQ Bldg since Dr. Pierce knew people would be taking pictures out there.
 
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Yes, but National Vanguard had Kevin Strom. I meant a new group with solid leadership.
 
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I took a drive up to Los Angeles the other day to visit a good friend, Zan Overall, and had some time to think and reflect on all the developments in the "truth movement" lately. Zan and I discussed the future of this "movement", the issues that seem to be dividing those of us in it, and what we can do to effectively and pragmatically make some sort of progress in our struggle against the forces of the Jew World Order.

First of all, just in the past two months or so, we've seen countless disputes and outright hostility between the different factions making up this "movement". And I'm sick and tired of it. It's immature. It's childish. It's ridiculous. I don't know about anyone else, but I would really like to do something about the situation we find ourselves in, and the criminals responsible for it. And to do that we need to get serious. We need to stop whining, moaning, gossiping, bashing and complaining about internet trolls, other radio hosts or alternative media types (unless it's justified and specific issues are discussed), Christians and other religiously inclined individuals, and instead concentrate on our common enemy and focus on key points we agree on.


http://johnfriendsblog.blogspot.com/...-proposal.html
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Yes, but National Vanguard had Kevin Strom. I meant a new group with solid leadership.
There should be called an extraordinary meeting of former NA via the Internet. The Nationalist Coalition and European Americans United must be involved. Jim Ring and David Pringle could get together and organize this meeting. I even have a name for you the Nationalist Alliance get together form a new organization, save Dr. Pierce's legacy.
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I respect Jim Ring and he has many good ideas, but I hope he isn't wasting his time.

This approach has been tried before and failed miserably.

My question is this: why not just start a new group (e.g. "William Pierce Society" or "National Legacy") and use Dr. Pierce's writings for the basis of the group?
This idea has been discussed, but if the Alliance can be salvaged it would have a National Office as well as a record label and publishing arm. Any new organization would have to start from scratch with just a P.O. Box and a phone message. Any publications would have to be outsourced, which could get pricey.

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The National Alliance (Erich Gliebe) is in no position to bring legal action for any sort of copyright violation.
No, I am aware of copyright violations that have been going on for years with no response from Gliebe. I've been told that the Turner Diaries on Amazon aren't produced by the Alliance nor does the Alliance receive any royalties.
If a new group was established any publication could probably be reproduced without repercussion, hell Gliebe's so greedy he may just sell the rights to the Life Rune and Alliance name.
 
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There should be called an extraordinary meeting of former NA via the Internet. The Nationalist Coalition and European Americans United must be involved. Jim Ring and David Pringle could get together and organize this meeting. I even have a name for you the Nationalist Alliance get together form a new organization, save Dr. Pierce's legacy.
I don't see the NAL COAL or EAU Joining The Alliance, although it would be nice to see the Alliance drop it's policy on not officially associating with other organizations, working in partnership with other organizations could be helpful. As far as internet meeting's go, I have often thought that internet conferencing and skype type applications are underutilized in the WN movement.
 
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I sent Will the link to this thread, and he sent me the following input. Will btw, is the foremost living authority on the history of National Alliance, and he worked alongside Dr Pierce in WVA for years. (Alex said awhile back it's OK for Will's comments to be posted on VNN forum).

This, from Will:


"Thanks, I read all of Jim Ring's piece, though it's repetitive and way too long. His words that jumped out at me were these:


"Very recently the chairman told one resigned Sacramento unit member that he wanted to turn the Alliance away from its established world-view, as outlined in the membership handbook which states that our creed is based upon 'the eternal truths embodied in the National Socialist idea… (page 113) and that Alliance members acknowledge the debt we owe to Adolf Hitler.' The handbook goes on to state that the National Socialist idea is a powerful recruiting tool for opening the minds of potential recruits to the Alliance's message. These words of the handbook are the words of Dr. Pierce himself...."



Jim Ring doesn't give me confidence with these words that he can restore the Alliance to anywhere near what it was before Gliebe hijacked it and deliberately drove it into the ground.


For one thing, he's quoting from the revised National Alliance Membership Handbook, the one in which Gliebe & Co. struck "the words of Dr. Pierce himself" -- the five pages addressing Christianity as an opposed ideology being foremost in those deletions. By that blunder alone Gliebe had already "turn[ed] away the Alliance's established world view, as outlined in the Membership Handbook" a decade ago.


Jim doesn't address this major deletion of what arguably set the Alliance apart from other organizations. That deletion alone, among others, caused many of Dr. Pierce's stalwarts to resign in disgust.


The quote about National-Socialism that Jim says is on p. 113 of the Handbook is actually on p.122 of the original edition and those were Dr. Pierce's own words, but in the context of a two and a half page explanation of how members might respond when asked "Are you a Nazi?" or, "Are you a neo-Nazi?" It was not a policy statement as Jim suggests.


Dr. Pierce also wrote on p. 122 of the original Handbook, "t would be wrong for the Alliance to associate itself with the cult aspects of National Socialism in Germany prior to 1945." Yet, when I saw Jim posed with an SS dagger in this SPLC article about how pathetic the Alliance has become ten years after its founder's death, it gives the impression that he does have a fascination with the cult aspect of NS prior to 1945: http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/news/shipwreck-ten-years-after-the-death-of-its-founder-the-once-dominant-national-alliance .


Jim has the Gliebe stain, I'm afraid. He stuck by him for a decade and treated Giebe's critics like they were wrong for not going along like he did, with the Gliebe Wrecking Crew, to get along. But we were not wrong; we were right all along.


I wrote to Jim Ring on October 17, 2012, with the following email after Karl LeForce provided his email address in that "Lucky Jack" expose on a VNN thread around that time (since removed?). He never responded:




From: Will Williams
11/17/12





To: Hadding
Cc: Karl LaForce, Jim Ring


Look back through LJ's posting history at VNN (122 posts since December of 2004) and you'll likely find enough clues to counter Jim Ring's "way out" suspicions about LJ being Gliebe. Gliebe is not that clever, believe me. Look at LJ's earliest posts -- I can't -- and think back to what Gliebe was doing at the time.


I find it hard to believe that Lawrence Myers would still be playing superspook infiltrator with what's known about his past activities.


At least two VNNers have told LJ in PMs that I'm interested in corresponding with him, gave him my email address....no reply from Lucky yet. He talks like he knows me, but hides behind his alias. What's to hide?


I'm Cc'ing this to both Karl LaForce, with thanks for passing Jim's note up the line, and to my old comrade Jim who I'd also like to thank for finally turning on Gliebe and telling it like it really is with the "new & improved" Alliance, though I haven't read what Jim actually said since his sites were taken down soon after his announcement.


Will Williams




On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 7:14 PM, Hadding Scott <[email protected]> wrote:


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Karl LaForce
Date: Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 6:47 PM
Subject: Fwd: Who is "Lucky Jack" on VNN....
To: Hadding Scott


FYI


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Jim Ring
Date: Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 7:08 PM
Subject: Who is "Lucky Jack" on VNN....
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Friends,
This may seem "way out" there to you but I have suspicion and reason to believe that the poster "Lucky Jack" on VNN is actually Erich Gliebe.



With that said, always keep this in the back of your minds, especially those of you who are joining in the fracas there. A double role is being played here, most effectively and he wants to keep it rolling if he can.



The thoughts strung together in these posts are strikingly similar to e-mail communications I've had with Gliebe recently. Also, certain things are mentioned that are pre-cell phone days for the principles involved therefore also knocking out Lawrence Myers as a candidate to having listened in.



I could be wrong but the little man inside is telling me this is a distinct possibility.


Jim
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It turns out "Lucky Jack" was in fact Lawrence Myers, the confirmed FBI/SPLC infiltrator Fred Streed had called Erich Gliebe's "handler" early on.


I had a couple of friends attempt to have "Lucky" email me and he declined.


I also emailed Gliebe's ex-wife, Erika, on 12/10 when her statement was posted to VNN with her email address provided. Her statement is still here: http://erichgliebe.net/ She chose to not respond to my email inquiry, either. She wrote of wanting to hear from people interested in restoring the National Alliance. Now I see that she links to Jim Ring's appeal so I must assume they are in cahoots to some extent.


Writing to Erich Gliebe's two hand-picked Alliance board members -- who were put in their positions to go along with Gliebe's "dereliction of duty, gross incompetence and fiscal malfeasance," as Ring described things back in October -- will not bring about satisfactory results. The only board of directors that has standing in my view and has any hope of restoring the National Alliance is the one Dr. Pierce hand picked and put his trust in, the one Erich Gliebe ran off: Fred Streed, Kitti Molz and Bob Demarais.


[I]Gliebe must step down and turn the reins back over to those people if the mess he has made is to ever be sorted out and confidence in the Alliance restored. A new, carefully chosen, expanded board of directors, all ideologically sound, could possibly set things right again. At this late stage however, Fred, Kitti and Bob probably will not return to the mess Gliebe has made of things. Why should they, except entirely on their terms? Regardless, Dr. Pierce's teachings are getting out to a new generation through Youtube and other means despite Gliebe.
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Rumors are swirling that a large Canadian bequest for nearly a million bucks is headed Erich's way, any truth to this?
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Rumors are swirling that a large Canadian bequest for nearly a million bucks is headed Erich's way, any truth to this?
There is an estate that was willed to the Alliance for around a half mil, however, Gliebe has a history of using Alliance funds for personal use so we'll see what he does with it. He owes a great deal of money to Alliance members from whom he's borrowed large sums of money over the years, he may use the estate money to pay back these personal loans.
 
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There is an estate that was willed to the Alliance for around a half mil, however, Gliebe has a history of using Alliance funds for personal use so we'll see what he does with it. He owes a great deal of money to Alliance members from whom he's borrowed large sums of money over the years, he may use the estate money to pay back these personal loans.
That is why this Gliebe white trash scum keeps hanging around. 1/2M$ would probably keep his child support payments to the ex-Mrs Gliebe coming, and keep his white trash ass out of jail (long enough until the child turns 18). Oops, there is a fly in the ointment. If the estranged Mrs. Gliebe decides that "my baby wants to go to college", Gliebe and the McCorkle estate will probably be on the hook for another 1/2M$.

White trash scum.
 
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