Discussing New Rules for 2016 Forward (Real Names Only for New Users)

[Alex Linder]

Real Names Only for New Members As of 2016-01-01
Been pondering this move for some time, now going to go ahead with it.

1) First, existing members will be grandfathered. It will be business as usual, under same rules.

2) Second, for the last three months of 2015, we will keep our signup rules as they are.

3) For new members, FROM JANUARY 1, 2016 FORWARD, Vnnforum.com is only going to accept people willing to post under their real names.

Been considering this move for some time. I think it's the right thing to do, for a number of reasons, and I also think it's the vanguard move, in keeping with our name. I will now start a thread on this where you can comment and I will respond.

If you have questions about this new policy, you can post them in here, I will answer.

There will be a bit more to this change that what I say above, and I will flesh it out over the next three months.

We have enough people here now to discuss what needs to be talked about. Going forward, I'm going to undertake a project that will require most of my attention, and I simply don't want to be taken up with the hassles the forum provides.

If we go to new names only, we discourage the time wasters. We encourage people to get themselves in position to be able to use their real names. If you can't use your real name because you fear the jews will get you fired, or for some other reason, then that shows that you need to work on gaining your financial (or other) independence more than you need to be commenting on a website anonymously.

I'm also going to demand that potential new posters here join with some explicit purpose in mind. Something they will track or report on that will make their joining a genuine new-good thing for the forum.

I will also explicitly forbid believing christians from joining us here. If you can't work out that christianity is inherently universalist hence anti-white, you're not tall enough for this ride.

At the same time, since those opposed to WN don't face the same pressures racialists do, given the culture jews have created, I will continue to allow opponents to post here, but 1) they must declare they are opps up front; 2) they can only post in the opp forum.

As a more general statement, we all have to determine where our time is best put. So far as WN, my time is best spent going forward by writing a book. I will turn fifty next June, and that's a good age to write books. I am researching this project right now, and will start a thread on how people here can help.

I do not believe forums are outdated, as some think. They offer a structure that is somewhere between the top news speed of, say, Twitter, and museum sites that most web places are. They offer a coherent intellectual structure to see the problem and the solution laid out. That's what we've tried to build here at VNNF, and I think we have succeeded. Much of the online world now talks like VNN.

My personal goals re the forum are to continue to develop our Learning College, as this is evergreen material. 99% of WN is whining reaction. often funny, always smart, alway more honest and accurate than the jewsmedia lies it counters, but always that: reactive. LC is proactive. It is something positive to replace the jewkultur for young whites. Ultimately there must be racialist curriculum for not just K-12 but K-PhD and beyond. An Aryan Institute, with age- and skill-appropriate learning for all levels. It must be vetted and produced by professionals, and it must maintain higher standards than what the jewed education system and the christian-alternative (homeschooling) system uphold.

VNNForum will continue to improve its structure with an eye toward simplifying and clarifying our cause for the multiples we have reading the forum rather than signing up, so that we continue to be the best idea factory out there, as well as the most principled place on the net, and with the highest standards. We have the clearest lens for looking at the world. That's our goal, as a forum. That's the goal I have always kept in the front of my mind as I arranged the categories and threads.

Our cause is a vital thing. That means it's a matter of life or death, for our race. Anonymity is something that needs to be left in the past. If you can't use your real name, then that's something you need to work on changing. Our ideas are nothing anyone should be ashamed of, and when we "can't" say that, we are feeding the enemy's lies that we aren't serious, are ashamed of what we believe, won't stand behind it, and will run if challenged. That fear must be overcome. It is up to us individually and collectively to figure out how to do that. I believe this move is in keeping with that direction. It is the vanguard move, as I say. The vanguard is the leading edge, and VNN has always represented this within the white movement.

Serious adults will always be welcome at VNN. So will original members who have themselves under control. Anyone else - you know where the clown shops are, go join them.

Anyway, comments welcome. I will respond. And I will be starting a thread on stuff I'm looking for re book research.

[Zorost]

"...that shows that you need to work on gaining your financial (or other) independence more than you need to be commenting on a website anonymously."


Unfortunately, in the real world a vast majority of people fall into this category. If this change goes through (and can be enforced) this website will lose a huge number of potential converts. It will become more of an echo chamber as it will be made up largely of people in a similar situation rather than a large mix of members from different backgrounds and perspectives. There will be 0 lawyers, 0 doctors, 0 cops, 0 teachers, 0 professors, 0 scientists. There will be a lot of retired people and those on public assistance.

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"...explicitly forbid believing christians from joining us here."

Like I said above, this will make this website into more of an echo chamber, with people who agree with each other continuing to agree with each other, reinforcing those beliefs to the point that they can't even comprehend another point of view. This is bad for being able to deal with and counter those with opposing views.

I've never been to church unless there was a free meal involved but I don't see the problem with Christianity. It was a massively good force for whites up until around 1960 or so. The Crusades, Reconquista, Manifest Destiny (whites pushing out darks for lebensraum), and slavery were all motivated and justified in large part by Christianity. It can be interpreted in just about any way you wish, like pretty much all religions. If someone still interprets the Bible to support whites being on top of the heap, what is the big deal? Given enough time, even Dr. Pierce's hokey religion could get jewed out. Whether a religion is good or bad isn't determined by words on paper, but on how individuals choose to interpret those words.

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"1) they must declare they are opps up front; 2) they can only post in the opp forum."

That sounds like what SF does. Who is going to define what is an oppositional viewpoint? I was banned from SF for being Asian, which would have been quite surprising to my 8 white great grand parents. All I did was argue that 1000 years ago China had a higher level of technology than Europe. Inevitably such power will be abused by mods to enforce their views of what is orthodox WNism.

If we can't argue an opponent down on our home turf, where are we going to beat them in debate?

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I don't see any problems that need to be fixed on this website. I think a free-for-all is much better for producing the kinds of people that can hold their own in a debate, and for producing the kinds of people that will continue to hold their beliefs even when challenged. The problem with only letting people see a certain perspective is they become vulnerable to attack from other perspectives. This includes the "perspective" of rude assholes We don't want people who will fold just because a cross word gives them a case of the vapors, like that crazy bitch Lena Dunham (http://www.nydailynews.com/entertain...icle-1.2380332 ) .

There was an interesting article (that I can't find right now) about how WNists need to stop worrying about having kids because our kids don't become WNists anyway. I would hypothesize that this is because the kids only receive 1 viewpoint and they believe that absolutely... until they come across the inevitable exception, which calls into question the whole absolutist structure.

If a kid is told that all blacks are stupid criminals, then in college meets a black that is smart and law-abiding, their whole belief structure comes crashing down. If a kid is told all jews are rich money-grubbing chiselers his whole life, then meets a jew that is poor and works for a charity his belief structure comes crashing down. If a kid has only been exposed to a WNist belief system he will think it is the norm, and get ostracized and attacked out in the real world, which can bring unimaginable pressure to bear to conform. (See Derek Black, Don Black's kid.)

This is why a variety of views is needed, so people see that there are always exceptions, but that they are just that... exceptions to a rule.

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What is the book about? I'd be interested in helping research whatever is needed.

[Dyrith]

I stand behind you Linder %100. I consider you one of my role models along with David Duke, and I believe you know what is best for VNNF.

I remember when I first saw the video when you went to speak in Knoxville and named the jew in front of those people. That was the moment I had my wakeup call and I will always respect you for that.


Screw the Christ Cult!

[JeffreyWaffenSS]

The problem with using your real full name is people from the ADL and that fucking fat bitch Heidi from SPLC troll these sites and will track you down and get you fired especially if you're a teacher or something.

Hey Heidi. I know you're reading this. Fuck you you fat ass bitch!!

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by JeffreyWaffenSS

The problem with using your real full name is people from the ADL and that fucking fat bitch Heidi from SPLC troll these sites and will track you down and get you fired especially if you're a teacher or something.

Hey Heidi. I know you're reading this. Fuck you you fat ass bitch!!

You're like a stereotype of WN-as-loser. You realize that?

In fact, the character you are, or are pretending to be, is precisely what we will get away from with the new rules. In fact, we had gotten away from it 90% under the old rules.

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by Dyrith

I stand behind you Linder %100. I consider you one of my role models along with David Duke, and I believe you know what is best for VNNF.

I remember when I first saw the video when you went to speak in Knoxville and named the jew in front of those people. That was the moment I had my wakeup call and I will always respect you for that.


Screw the Christ Cult!

Thanks, that's good news. I'm glad you recognized the truth when you heard it.

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by Zorost

"...that shows that you need to work on gaining your financial (or other) independence more than you need to be commenting on a website anonymously."

Unfortunately, in the real world a vast majority of people fall into this category.

True. And they need to focus on developing their Whiteness and financial independence outside of VNN. They can read here for advice. But they are represented by people we already have posting. We don't really need more of these baitfish. We need more barracudas.

If this change goes through (and can be enforced) this website will lose a huge number of potential converts.

Have we had huge numbers of converts joining us the past 5 years? No. Yet our attitudes spread through the Internet, and are increasingly reflected in the real world.

It will become more of an echo chamber as it will be made up largely of people in a similar situation rather than a large mix of members from different backgrounds and perspectives. There will be 0 lawyers, 0 doctors, 0 cops, 0 teachers, 0 professors, 0 scientists. There will be a lot of retired people and those on public assistance.

Maybe, maybe not.

"...explicitly forbid believing christians from joining us here."

Like I said above, this will make this website into more of an echo chamber, with people who agree with each other continuing to agree with each other, reinforcing those beliefs to the point that they can't even comprehend another point of view. This is bad for being able to deal with and counter those with opposing views.

Nope, you're wrong. I have never yet had one christian, other than Matt Parrot, even attempt to defend the cult. What they do is express emotional irritation at my criticism. 99% do not even grasp the implications of their own position, and in fact they don't even understand the positions themselves, let alone the implications. Therefore they are intellectual dead weight, and I'm completely uninterested in giving them room for their common and wrong views.

I've never been to church unless there was a free meal involved but I don't see the problem with Christianity. It was a massively good force for whites up until around 1960 or so. The Crusades, Reconquista, Manifest Destiny (whites pushing out darks for lebensraum), and slavery were all motivated and justified in large part by Christianity.

Good example of what I mean. A pseudo-argument: if anything good happened while most whites were xtian, it's attributed to christianity. I have specifically answered this claim probably 1000x, but people like you never, ever notice anything.

It can be interpreted in just about any way you wish, like pretty much all religions. If someone still interprets the Bible to support whites being on top of the heap, what is the big deal? Given enough time, even Dr. Pierce's hokey religion could get jewed out. Whether a religion is good or bad isn't determined by words on paper, but on how individuals choose to interpret those words.

The typically stupid conservative view: ideas don't matter. It's just 'words on paper.' Is that how jews look at it? No. Are they running things? Yes.

"1) they must declare they are opps up front; 2) they can only post in the opp forum."

That sounds like what SF does. Who is going to define what is an oppositional viewpoint?

Me.

Later, perhaps a council.

I was banned from SF for being Asian, which would have been quite surprising to my 8 white great grand parents. All I did was argue that 1000 years ago China had a higher level of technology than Europe. Inevitably such power will be abused by mods to enforce their views of what is orthodox WNism.

Never has been the case. What I am not going to allow is opposition strutting around acting like they are proud of their views because no one will try to get them fired. Opposition doesn't argue, in any case, so nothing is lost by confining it to a particular forum. In any case, we don't get any real opposition here anyway, so the matter is theoretical.

My point is, I want pro-Whites posting here. Under their real names. With a specific part of our agenda to contribute. They choose what that is. And they let me know going in. This will be written into our signup rules.

If we can't argue an opponent down on our home turf, where are we going to beat them in debate?

Our opponents don't allow debate where they have power. That's all we need to know about their 'arguments.'

I don't see any problems that need to be fixed on this website.

Nothing's being fixed. We're going in a different direction in order to achieve different results. That's what the vanguard does.

I think a free-for-all is much better for producing the kinds of people that can hold their own in a debate, and for producing the kinds of people that will continue to hold their beliefs even when challenged. The problem with only letting people see a certain perspective is they become vulnerable to attack

Misrepresenation of what's going on here. The debate within WN is far more important than the debate outside it. The new rules will if anything facilitate that. Since the newcomers will all be WN sympathetic and operating under their real name. And if we get a trickle of signups, or even none at all, that in itself is telling and useful information.

Like I said, everyone here is grandfathered, and under the old rules. You can keep your name. You can keep your avatar. The rules stay the same.

There was an interesting article (that I can't find right now) about how WNists need to stop worrying about having kids because our kids don't become WNists anyway. I would hypothesize that this is because the kids only receive 1 viewpoint and they believe that absolutely... until they come across the inevitable exception, which calls into question the whole absolutist structure.

If a kid is told that all blacks are stupid criminals, then in college meets a black that is smart and law-abiding, their whole belief structure comes crashing down. If a kid is told all jews are rich money-grubbing chiselers his whole life, then meets a jew that is poor and works for a charity his belief structure comes crashing down. If a kid has only been exposed to a WNist belief system he will think it is the norm, and get ostracized and attacked out in the real world, which can bring unimaginable pressure to bear to conform. (See Derek Black, Don Black's kid.)

People are weak and mostly go along with social pressure. WN are no different. Maybe slightly different. But not much. They just follow a different orthodoxy. It's obviously biological in origin and can't be changed, only taken into account or ignored.

What is the book about? I'd be interested in helping research whatever is needed.

The book will be about Political Correctness. Verbal warfare and such - techniques of silencing, shaming and suppressing. I will explain this in a separate sticky thread. I will look at how language is used and abused in relation to each issue, how debates are controlled via language and framing, and put these technicques into historical framework - show their origins among jews in communist regimes.

That last part is where I'm weakest - I need every book written about this type of stuff, whether by conservative, neocon, or communist, in relation to USSR, the eastern bloc, North Korea, China, etc. I'm collecting info on this moving forward.

[JeffreyWaffenSS]

Originally Posted by Alex Linder

You're like a stereotype of WN-as-loser. You realize that?

In fact, the character you are, or are pretending to be, is precisely what we will get away from with the new rules. In fact, we had gotten away from it 90% under the old rules.

Why do you call me a loser? I'm about as white, and pro white as one can be.

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by JeffreyWaffenSS

Why do you call me a loser? I'm about as white, and pro white as one can be.

What do you think people think when they see your avatar and name?

[Robbie Key]

Originally Posted by Zorost

I've never been to church unless there was a free meal involved but I don't see the problem with Christianity. It was a massively good force for whites up until around 1960 or so. The Crusades, Reconquista, Manifest Destiny (whites pushing out darks for lebensraum), and slavery were all motivated and justified in large part by Christianity.

Originally Posted by Alex Linder

Good example of what I mean. A pseudo-argument: if anything good happened while most whites were xtian, it's attributed to christianity. I have specifically answered this claim probably 1000x, but people like you never, ever notice anything.

If we are to attribute those things to 'christianity', why should we discriminate against arabs and africans? If Christianity is the sole answer to the reason we Whites built great cathedrals, defended our lands against muslims or conquered the entire world, then why are Christian arabs or africans a problem? No. Religion doesn't matter, it's all about race. The White race built the cathedrals, not 'Christianity'. Africa hasn't built anything impressive since Christianity made its way into there.

[Alex Linder]

VNNF is focused on the soft side of the White movement. That means education:

- disseminating news
- developing arguments
- tracking nations and issues of importance to whites, providing documentation over time

But increasingly more importantly, at least to me:

- permanent 'evergreen' educational material

I leave the 'hard' side to others because it involves capacities I do not have:

- ADL or FBI-level investigation/security measures
- military-level ability to strike blows

Building an organization without these two is a waste of time.

Because our enemies are criminals - literally - and terrorists - again, quite literally - there is no functional difference, if you are serious, between building a white party and building a white 'criminal gang. Not because our cause is bad, wrong, dirty or inherently criminal, but because our enemy is.

Our enemy cheats, lies and murders. Any white party must take that into account before it ever starts.

When whites have a force that will kill on their behalf, then they have the nucleus for organizing. Short of that is just soft stuff - education, as we do here.

Normally we tell people to think small, and do what they can, but with white politics it's the opposite: most White 'political' efforts are too narrow. Our enemy isn't national in scale, but planetary. It is truly global. So must be the response.

Yet we look around, and we have tools and coopts like Jared Taylor, who are supported by the jews in doing the only international conferences that whites arrange. And WN who know the score, like MacDonald, foolishly treat Taylor as a friend, and his efforts as legitimate.

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by Robbie Key

If we are to attribute those things to 'christianity', why should we discriminate against arabs and africans? If Christianity is the sole answer to the reason we Whites built great cathedrals, defended our lands against muslims or conquered the entire world, then why are Christian arabs or africans a problem? No. Religion doesn't matter, it's all about race. The White race built the cathedrals, not 'Christianity'. Africa hasn't built anything impressive since Christianity made its way into there.

Correct.

If christianity is the cause of white greatness, how to explain greece and rome?

If christianity is the cause of white greatness, why can't it produce similar results among yellows or blacks or browns?

Yellows have produced great civilizations without christianity.

It is undeniable historical fact that historical greatness has no necessary connection to the semitic jesus cult.

[Vance Stubbs]

I don't know, it sounds like it wouldn't conclusively address the problem. Let's say someone signs up under the name "Bill Anderson", and that is indeed his real name. Well he's still functionally anonymous. No one can actually figure out who he is from the name. But say someone (legitimately) signed up as "Trebla Albert". Well he isn't functionally anonymous, because he has a wacky name that stands out. The rule has a totally different effect depending on what's basically a random factor.

[Joe_Smith]

That's not going to encourage most people to use their real names. But with that said, if people at least have real sounding names it will indeed create a more serious environment.

Quality of posters on VNN in the last 2/3 years has gotten significantly better, but as of late (last few months) it's been getting worse (mostly Australians, known throughout cyberspace as prolifically shitty posters).

[Alexander White]

Originally Posted by Alex Linder

It is undeniable historical fact that historical greatness has no necessary connection to the semitic jesus cult.

On the contrary, it leads to weakness. Aside from the numerous instances of the Church protecting jews (while supporting the butchery of any Whites who refused to be Semitized), there are instances in which Christianity directly led to race-mixing even in the Middle Ages. For example, Christianization led to the breakdown of the Norse caste system. This caste system, described in the Rígsþula poem, placed the Asiatic Lapps of Scandinavia (http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bild...dborglapp2.jpg) at the bottom (Thralls). This breakdown is why there are Scandinavians today (thankfully, a small minority) who look like this:

[Alex Linder]

I'm tired of WN being a haven for cowards and clowns like SS and the power-eagle set. We have conservatives for that.

At some point we have to quit being scared. Maybe this is that point. It is here, anyway.

[Alex Linder]

Originally Posted by Alexander White

On the contrary, it leads to weakness. Aside from the numerous instances of the Church protecting jews (while supporting the butchery of any Whites who refused to be Semitized), there are instances in which Christianity directly led to race-mixing even in the Middle Ages. For example, Christianization led to the breakdown of the Norse caste system. This caste system, described in the Rígsþula poem, placed the Asiatic Lapps of Scandinavia (http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bild...dborglapp2.jpg) at the bottom (Thralls). This is why there are Scandinavians today (thankfully, a small minority) who look like this:

It's basically a spiritual welfare program for losers, the equivalent of Medicare and Social Security. Popular with people who can't manage their own lives and demand to be given things they can't earn. It's completely dysgenic. It ends with some dotty old man in woman's clothes muttering about loving a bunch of apes.

[JeffreyWaffenSS]

Originally Posted by Alex Linder

What do you think people think when they see your avatar and name?

that is part of my real name, and I admire Der Fuhrer. I know you're not a big fan of National Socialism.

I don't see what the big deal is having an imagine of a great man as my avatar. maybe people on Stormfront have it and other NS stuff in their avatars.

[Alexander M.]

How do you know if you are getting a real name when people sign on for the forum?

[Dan_O]

Originally Posted by Alex Linder

You're like a stereotype of WN-as-loser. You realize that?

In fact, the character you are, or are pretending to be, is precisely what we will get away from with the new rules. In fact, we had gotten away from it 90% under the old rules.

I haven't been on here in a while but didn't you make this same rule back in 2009?

Edit: Never mind, it was similar. You couldn't sign up with something that wasn't a name I think.