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Old March 6th, 2015 #3701
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No, I think they are playing and outwitting him. After all he is a christard. Just look what they have created for him in Ukraine and Russia, and all at zero cost to themselves. That alone shows how superior to the pathetic goyim dirt eaters of Slavic and Germanic origin vicious jews with a plan are.



He seems to be making attempts to promote unity tolerance and friendship in order to prevent internal fracturing of society (which Washington wants). In addition goyim always have to prove that they are not extremist nationalists. But in the end it doesnt help as he is already called the new Hitler.




They are not Neturei Karta, Chabad are pro Zionist and fully endorse the Zionist project both in the ME and beyond




http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Ne...s.aspx/145899#!




What about rabid right wing jew Neocons and their "liberal Obama hating" christian dogs who are going to be sending their sons to Ukraine soon?

You continue trying to sift jews in a foolish attempt to separate left and right, liberal and conservative, religious and secular, good and bad. Me I want to see all of them exterminated ASAP.

We are all in need of a new Hitler but unfortunately we get a crappy Putin.
Putin has taken Crimea(denying NATO the Black Sea access they desired at the beginning of the coup as indicated by the Wikileaks cables between US Agent Poroshenko and the State Department), and forced Ukraine's puppet government into an unsustainable war in Donbass they cannot win, leading them to the brink of bankruptcy, and in a position where they can't join NATO. This is occurring you claim he is being outwitted by the jews, what planet are you living on? It's one thing to have hardcore rhetoric on the internet, but it isn't practical or desirable in the arena of geopolitics.

Yes, it would be great if Putin could bring in the Russian Army and roll into Lviv by next week, but it wouldn't be worth the costs and the further sanctions. The fact is, despite the massive currency devaluation, unemployment hasn't taken a large rise in Russia, and the contractions in GDP growth aren't nearly as severe as projected. They will get through these sanctions, and more likely than not, Novorossiya will become and autonomous region like Transnistria or Abhkhazia. With this situation, there is absolutely no way in which Ukraine will join NATO, despite the hysteria on the internet, the West would not risk World War with Ukraine by letting them join NATO. And the Europeans are getting wary of sanctions. Putin is playing the long game and is winning.

That "Christard" is smarter than you.
 
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This is just the start of deeper US on ground involvement which the jews are planning.. Now if Putin were to get serious these and future kwans will be coming back in body bags. Russians and Ukrainians are not some camel jockeys in Iraq that ZOG can just blow away with impunity, they can fight, if allowed to. Hopefully this gets very bloody for ZOG's homosexual Zionism enforcing green nigger degenerates.
My guess is the USZOG green niggers will stay in the rear with the gear because they know they wouldn't last 10 minutes in a real fight against some non-camel-jockeys and goat herders and be happy arming and letting their Ukie dupes continue doing the fighting. When was the last time Amerikwans had to fight other White men? 1945? They're out of their league here.
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When the Russian opposition leader Boris Nemtsov was assassinated in sight of the Kremlin last Friday night, it shocked even those of us who thought we had lost the ability to be shocked by events in Vladimir Putin’s Russia. When Russian forces moved into Ukraine and Putin annexed Crimea a year ago, it was also a terrible shock to a world that had grown too comfortable with the belief that the days of changing Europe’s borders by force were long over. But we must cease to be surprised by the violence and hatred emanating from Russia today if we are to combat it successfully.

When the shock subsides and the evidence is examined, it is clear no one should truly have been surprised by either horrific event. Boris, with whom I worked closely for many years, often talked of the violent ends faced by those who spoke out against Putin. We all knew what could happen to any of us at any time, and a few months after I last left Russia, in February 2013, I decided I would not return.

Police states are very good at keeping a monopoly on violence, and Putin’s Russia is no exception. When the victim is a former Russian deputy prime minister and a prominent critic of the regime, and his murder takes place in a wide open area right next to the Kremlin, the chance that it occurred without the involvement of Russia’s security services is vanishingly small. Boris was always under personal and electronic surveillance, but we are supposed to believe that his escort had the night off, and all nearby CCTV cameras happened to be down for repairs that day.

“But this is Mr Kasparov’s personal interpretation!” shouted one alarmed BBC presenter when I shared those observations in a live interview this week. “But the Russian government has categorically denied any involvement!” cried another. I accept that the things I say are my personal interpretation, but why is the BBC positioning itself as Putin’s defence attorney?

The man has a record; my insinuations are hardly far-fetched. Why cite the official statements of a dictatorship that lies and spreads propaganda at every turn without challenging them? It’s a good example of how the conventions of an open society are exploited by less scrupulous regimes. It represents the culture of engagement and appeasement that has come to replace the harder line of the cold war. But the time for unreciprocated fair play is over.

Yesterday I was in Washington DC, speaking to a US Senate subcommittee about how and why the Russian dictator must be stopped. Nearly every head in the room nodded in agreement as I and other invitees – such as the former Georgian president Mikheil Saakashvili – discussed the global danger presented by Putin’s increasingly belligerent regime.

The subcommittee circulated a detailed timeline of Russia’s slide back into dictatorship during Putin’s 15 years in power, noting each murder of a critic or journalist, each media outlet closure, each rigged election. I noted that it could easily have produced a parallel timeline of how the leaders of the western world treated the perpetrator of these atrocities at the time. As Putin’s human rights violations – and border violations – accumulated, the European Union and America did very little to take a strong stand that might have altered Putin’s course when it would have been relatively easy to do.

Consider the lesson Putin learned the last time Russian tanks crossed a border. In 2008 Russia provoked a military conflict over Abkhazia and South Ossetia, the quasi-independent areas it had helped carve out of Georgia when the USSR fell. Russian forces nearly reached Tbilisi before they turned back, and those supposedly independent regions are little more than Russia-controlled enclaves and a thorn in the side of the Georgians.

If you don’t remember what punishment was meted out to Russia for invading its tiny neighbour, it’s because there wasn’t any. Not only was Russia not punished over Georgia, a few months later Putin was rewarded by newly sworn-in President Barack Obama and his secretary of state, Hillary Clinton. Their infamous “Russian reset” wiped the slate clean, despite no real change in Kremlin behaviour. Based on that experience, it is no wonder Putin expresses surprise at the relatively robust response to his assault on Ukraine.

An appropriately strong reaction to Putin’s aggression in Ukraine and his brutality in Russia will require a battle on many fronts. Putin, like other modern autocrats, has an advantage that the Soviet leadership could never have dreamed of: deep economic and political engagement with the free world. The naive idea was that the free world would use economic and social ties to gradually liberalise authoritarian states. In practice, the authoritarian states have abused this access and economic interdependency to spread their corruption while cracking down ever harder at home.

For the most immediate crisis, Ukraine must be comprehensively supported militarily and economically. Defensive weapons to raise the political costs for Putin in Russia are essential. To address two of the most popular straw-man arguments: it isn’t necessary to defeat the entire Russian army, or start the third world war. Putin cannot afford to look like a loser, which is why he maintains the feeble illusion that Russian forces aren’t fighting in Ukraine.

Inflicting enough damage to pierce that illusion is enough. Putin is already blaming the US and Nato for everything in Ukraine so there can be no escalation in that regard. Ukraine may seem far away, but it is the frontline of a war the United States, the United Kingdom and the rest of the free world are fighting, whether they admit it or not.

Engagement has failed, and it is time for sterner stuff, the successful cold war recipe of isolation and condemnation. Putin’s oligarch supporters must be forced to choose between giving him up and painful quarantine. The Russian oligarchs are supporting a sponsor of terror in Ukraine, and there is no shortage of existing laws to prosecute such activity.

The opposition movement that Boris and I believed in, and that Boris died for, should be openly supported, the way the west once championed the Soviet dissidents. Ronald Reagan told those of us behind the iron curtain that he knew it was our leaders, not us, who were his adversaries. We listened and it mattered, and it should matter again. More than 100,000 people rallied to mourn Boris in Moscow last Sunday, a number that gives the lie to Putin’s meaningless approval numbers. Tell these people, and the millions too afraid to march, that they have a choice.

Russia will always be my country, but it is difficult to imagine returning while Putin is still in the Kremlin. I will continue to do whatever I can to draw support to the cause of returning Russia to the path of democracy. The western administrations that have passively watched Putin turn Russia back into a dictatorship – and invade his neighbours – are out of excuses. The next death in Ukraine or the next murder of a dissident in Moscow will be blood on their hands – and no investigation will be necessary.

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Old March 6th, 2015 #3704
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I never claimed Putin was a jew you slap jawed retard. Maybe you should learn to read and put things into context before commenting in a big boy topic.
You can spin it all you like mug, the implication is clear as is all your other sly digs.

One thing which is not in doubt is that you are a shit-stirrer, mayhaps a jew.
 
Old March 6th, 2015 #3705
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If you're respectful, I'll be respectful, but if you're gonna resort to talking shit in frustration over me exposing your position for being as weak as it is, then that only proves you're a manchild.

I don't get why some of you take criticism of Putin personally. Unless you got a mancrush on him. If you do Chad, that's a personal problem you shouldn't take out on me.
I'm sorry I overreacted. That speech which you use and abuse is the very kind of speech which attracts foreign mercenaries to the Azov battalion and powers up the Right Sector. You clearly misunderstand the problem, pay attention to the story on the ground before getting all puffed up about one group of Jews.

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Old March 6th, 2015 #3706
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Responding to the shock of the gang-style execution of Nemtsov in Moscow, Duma Deputy Ilya Ponomarev, speaking at Tufts University yesterday, said that it reminded him of the Kirov assassination, and predicted that the effect on Russian politics might be of comparable magnitude. I did not have the opportunity to question him directly about what precisely he had in mind, but I gathered from his other remarks that he believes the crime was prompted by a struggle for power within the Putin regime. After all, Stalin used the Kirov murder to launch the infamous purges that reached their height in the trials of 1938 and is widely suspected of having arranged the murder himself.

Russian politics for some time has resembled the proverbial dog fight under a rug, despite the image promoted by the regime of a seamless and efficient “vertical of power.” In some important respects, the killing of Nemtsov does not resemble the killing of Kirov. Kirov was one of Stalin’s closest associates and, in effect, his viceroy in Leningrad. Nemtsov was, on the other hand, a prominent and active oppositionist. A direct point-by-point comparison of the two murders would be absurd. Vladimir Putin does not need to arrange the murder of a prominent oppositionist in order to purge elements he considers unreliable in his own government.

Many persons at the Tufts symposium assumed, upon hearing the shocking news, that Putin himself ordered the assassination and did so as a stern warning to other would-be oppositionists. This was a natural reaction for anyone who assumes that Putin exercises the sort of total control of Russia that Stalin once did of the Soviet Union. It identifies a motivation that cannot be dismissed out of hand.

Still, there is something missing in that knee-jerk reaction. Isn’t it a goal of any authoritarian government to persuade the people it governs that it is in complete control? Does not much support of authoritarian governments come from the belief that they provide order and security? One of the reasons the Putin regime has sustained its popularity is that it brought order to the chaos of the 1990s. A contract killing of a prominent person within the shadow of the Kremlin does not comport with the image of a government in complete control.

I have received privately an analysis of the situation by an observer of the Russian scene who was in Moscow last week. I found the observations important and have been given permission to share them here.

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I do not think Putin was behind this. The reason is that a murder in the center of Moscow literally at the walls of the Kremlin discredits him and the security apparatus. The Kremlin Walls and the Bekhlimishevskaya Tower frame the scene with St. Basil’s to the right. It is simply difficult to imagine a location that could include more symbols of the Russian state. It looks like a frame up. I can’t help remembering how in the 1990′s, one way to get an adversary to capitulate in a fight over a company was to show him his security had been breached. (This is one of the reasons that Yanukovich fled when he did–because he could no longer count on the loyalty of the people providing physical protection.) This may be unfair. After all, road and pedestrian traffic are not checked in the area. Everything is filmed and there are certainly many police nearby, but no one is going to stop you if you bring arms into the area and try to murder someone. How would they know? So it may be unfair, but that’s the way it’s going to be perceived–as a highly symbolic breach of security. It’s hard for me to imagine that there won’t be personnel changes over this.

This is a serious crisis for Putin in terms of how he will be perceived by the political and security elite (who never speak to the western press and whose views and fears are almost never reflected in the West) because it is symbolic of control. He needs this crime to be solved.

State television has been covering the events with a minimum of propaganda. They have been almost complimentary about Nemtsov’s role in Russian history. People all over the political spectrum are clearly shocked. I believe it is significant that a funeral march in the center of the city was allowed quite quickly–after all the trouble the authorities when to to relocate the opposition demonstration to the outskirts of Moscow (note to the Western Mass Media: opposition demonstrations in Moscow are still permitted, including those opposing the Ukraine War–does anyone remember the USSR?).

There’s no way to know who was behind this and we’ll probably never find out (polling shows that 90% of Russians feel that the people behind the murder will never be identified).

1) Conceivably Putin could be in a position analogous to that of Gorbachev, with hardliners pushing policies that he has to go along with when presented with the fact they’ve been done. This could relate to a desire to prosecute the Ukraine war more overtly and crack down more harshly on domestic dissent. I don’t think Putin wants to run a true dictatorship, but there may be people around who think that’s a viable alternative for the country (it isn’t), so it’s just possible this was done by a faction trying to get him to go along with a harder line. This is not a likely explanation–but it’s possible.

2) A slightly more likely scenario is that ultra nationalists (with crime links and some support from inside the state) went after Nemstov (and indirectly Putin) for many of the reasons mentioned in Scenario 1.

3) A third (somewhat less likely but quite possible) scenario is that the the Ukrainian far right went after Nemtsov in hopes Putin would get blamed, western arms and money would come faster, and political disintegration might start in Russia.

No matter what happens, Putin is going to get blamed. Because even if by some miracle they catch the perpetrators (how can they not given all the surveillance mechanisms in place and the fact that Nemtsov himself was presumably being watched closely?) many people will not believe the explanation.

The people who benefit most are those who: a) want to spook/crack down on the democratic opposition; b) worsen the relationship with the West and disrupt moves toward a truce in Ukraine; c) do political damage to Putin. He needs to watch his back.

[End of quotation]

Maybe you can think of other plausible explanations. If so, please put them on the comment line. So far nothing is absolutely clear about this tragedy except that an able politician and fine man was gunned down in cold blood.
http://novorossia.today/is-nemtsov-s...ay-of-kirov-s/
 
Old March 6th, 2015 #3707
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You can spin it all you like mug, the implication is clear as is all your other sly digs.

One thing which is not in doubt is that you are a shit-stirrer, mayhaps a jew.
Do you wear a yarmulke when you fellate to pictures of Putin hanging on your wall?
 
Old March 6th, 2015 #3708
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I'm sorry I overreacted. That speech which you use and abuse is the very kind of speech which attracts foreign mercenaries to the Azov battalion and powers up the Right Sector. You clearly misunderstand the problem, pay attention to the story on the ground before getting all puffed up about one group of Jews.
If I was on the ground in Russia, maybe I'd have a perspective outside off all the conflicting information floating around. I trust what I see with my own 2 eyes over anything the media tells me. Are you on the ground there? Because if you have hands on knowledge about what's going on, you could share what you're seeing.
 
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He wants capitalism and prosperity for Russia and close ties with Europe and yes even the US, but all this within some sort of socially conservative framework without the West dictating to Russia how to run its internal/foreign affairs (see Syria Iran) and its pushing the extreme liberal gay PC agenda on the country.
Where there is Capitalism, there are jews running things. In every country in the world. A lot of old school Commie type jews became Laissez-Faire Capitalists later in life. The reason Russia is vulnerable to economic attacks from the west is because they're Capitalist. Its a weakness your nations enemies can use against you as a weapon, case and point - Russia. Its as simple as billionaire globalist jews investing in the Ruble in large quantities, and they take it hostage with threats to sell it off if they don't obey. The reason oil has dropped has something to do with billionaire jew speculators selling it off as well. Any country that is part of that globalist economy is a slave to jews. But I don't see Putin threatening to break off the global Capitalist model.

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Well some of the more liberal kikes may also view Chabad as anti democratic so their beef may be with that aspect. Bottom line is there would be no official state receptions and praise for Chabad in Israel today were the group really anti Zionist. The most rabid Kahanist Zionists support Chabad as do the right wing Zionist Likudniks and that tells me all i need to know. Would Bibi really be seen with them if they were such anti Zionists? Would the Knesset salute them?
Its to my understanding that they had something to gain by sucking up to izzy in the form of donations. They've historically been anti-Zionist - until they need something, that is.

But either way, what's your take on Putin donating money out of his own pocket to "Zionist" jews?

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Jews may squabble among themselves and have some tactical differences about how to go about reaching their goal but when it comes to uniting against Amalek (in judaism every generation has Amalek), destroying the goyim societies/countries and creating their messianic NWO, where kikes will rule over the nations of the world, they all agree.
The jews already own the world. They control the economies that matter, the currencies that matter, and most of the governments that matter.
 
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Putin has taken Crimea(denying NATO the Black Sea access they desired at the beginning of the coup as indicated by the Wikileaks cables between US Agent Poroshenko and the State Department), and forced Ukraine's puppet government into an unsustainable war in Donbass they cannot win, leading them to the brink of bankruptcy, and in a position where they can't join NATO. This is occurring you claim he is being outwitted by the jews, what planet are you living on? It's one thing to have hardcore rhetoric on the internet, but it isn't practical or desirable in the arena of geopolitics.

Don't get me wrong when Crimea happened I was impressed and very optimistic that this was just the beginning however it soon showed that this was the peak and what followed post Crimea can in no way be described as positive.

Unsustainable? Ukraine has enough low IQ cannon fodder and resources to continue this thing for much much longer than Donbass does. When you add in the financial and military support it is and will be getting from the West, including officer core training new NATO equipment, while bombed out Donbass will be more and more isolated and blockaded you will understand that in the long run all the cards are in Kiev's hands. Also this war is not being waged on territory controlled by the junta but on rebel territory and that is a big advantage for the junta.
BTW you talk about a 'collapse' of ukraine well 'experts' were predicting this at the beginning of last year, immediately post judeo-Maidan they were saying 'Kiev only has a few more weeks', then it was well by spring, then by start of summer, then autumn, they were telling us well when winter comes it will be the end as Russia will cut of gas and they will freeze. As you can see none of this happened, none of these stupid predictions of the Putin worshippers came true, and not only did the Kiev regime not collapse it only got more entrenched bold brutal and stronger with each passing month. Last year in spring the junta didn't know if it would survive and there was serious concern even possible plans to flee as a collapse was looking possible possibe, however since that time they have stabilized strengthened and now any talk of a collapse is ridiculous. But hey keep dreaming.


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Yes, it would be great if Putin could bring in the Russian Army and roll into Lviv by next week, but it wouldn't be worth the costs and the further sanctions. The fact is, despite the massive currency devaluation, unemployment hasn't taken a large rise in Russia, and the contractions in GDP growth aren't nearly as severe as projected. They will get through these sanctions, and more likely than not, Novorossiya will become and autonomous region like Transnistria or Abhkhazia. With this situation, there is absolutely no way in which Ukraine will join NATO, despite the hysteria on the internet, the West would not risk World War with Ukraine by letting them join NATO. And the Europeans are getting wary of sanctions. Putin is playing the long game and is winning.
Sure he is, you just keep on buhlieving. You are a christian right?

More sanctions are coming regardless of what Putin does as this is not about Ukraine but about Russia.

We don't need Russian tanks rolling into Lvov (although it would be nice to give those maggots a little tatse of their own medicine, see how they like it when what they are doing to Donbass is done to them). What we need is for Moscow to begin serious support for the rebels, like Americans give to Kiev, and allow them to move forward without restriction until they liberate more of historic Novorossiya. We don't need anything west of Kiev, and certainly not Lvov and the ex Polish Galicia region which Stalin incorporated into the artificial Soviet construct known as modern Ukraine.


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They will get through these sanctions, and more likely than not, Novorossiya will become and autonomous region like Transnistria or Abhkhazia.
BTW it is not Novorossiya but heavily destroyed rumps of two of its historic nine oblasts. If that constitutes 'success' in your eyes well we have to disagree.

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Jew Borys Filatov : Leader of Right Sector Nationalists Yarosh was operated on by expert Ukrainian and Israeli surgeons.



Glory to Ukraine! Glory to our doctors! Happy Purim!

BTW Stormfront has a big recruitment thread for Right Sector which urges low IQ bottom of the barrel scum from the Slavic and Germanic world to enlist in order to 'fight Putin'.
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Unlike pro Kiev volunteers real reporter Graham Phillips was detained and questioned by ZOG upon his return to Britain. They were asking if he was being paid by the Kremlin or if he had been brainwashed etc


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But either way, what's your take on Putin donating money out of his own pocket to "Zionist" jews?
I have no idea, maybe he attempts to keep Russian jewry in line and therefore he does this type of stuff. Keep in mind that someone doesn't have to be an anti semite in order for International Jewry to want his removal. Just ask the socialist Slobodan Milosevic or the christian Radovan Karadzic.
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Don't get me wrong when Crimea happened I was impressed and very optimistic that this was just the beginning however it soon showed that this was the peak and what followed post Crimea can in no way be described as positive.

Unsustainable? Ukraine has enough low IQ cannon fodder and resources to continue this thing for much much longer than Donbass does. When you add in the financial and military support it is and will be getting from the West, including officer core training new NATO equipment, while bombed out Donbass will be more and more isolated and blockaded you will understand that in the long run all the cards are in Kiev's hands. Also this war is not being waged on territory controlled by the junta but on rebel territory and that is a big advantage for the junta.
BTW you talk about a 'collapse' of ukraine well 'experts' were predicting this at the beginning of last year, immediately post judeo-Maidan they were saying 'Kiev only has a few more weeks', then it was well by spring, then by start of summer, then autumn, they were telling us well when winter comes it will be the end as Russia will cut of gas and they will freeze. As you can see none of this happened, none of these stupid predictions of the Putin worshippers came true, and not only did the Kiev regime not collapse it only got more entrenched bold brutal and stronger with each passing month. Last year in spring the junta didn't know if it would survive and there was serious concern even possible plans to flee as a collapse was looking possible possibe, however since that time they have stabilized strengthened and now any talk of a collapse is ridiculous. But hey keep dreaming.




Sure he is, you just keep on buhlieving. You are a christian right?

More sanctions are coming regardless of what Putin does as this is not about Ukraine but about Russia.

We don't need Russian tanks rolling into Lvov (although it would be nice to give those maggots a little tatse of their own medicine, see how they like it when what they are doing to Donbass is done to them). What we need is for Moscow to begin serious support for the rebels, like Americans give to Kiev, and allow them to move forward without restriction until they liberate more of historic Novorossiya. We don't need anything west of Kiev, and certainly not Lvov and the ex Polish Galicia region which Stalin incorporated into the artificial Soviet construct known as modern Ukraine.




BTW it is not Novorossiya but heavily destroyed rumps of two of its historic nine oblasts. If that constitutes 'success' in your eyes well we have to disagree.




Ukraine doesn't have the money to continue an endless war, this is simply false. They are on the verge of bankruptcy, facing completely bankrupt public pension and a currency collapse. Even though Russia has experienced a currency devaluation, it isn't nearly as bad as Ukraine's. Also we need to consider the fact Ukraine, on top of the currency devaluation, has had to implement currency controls and strict conditions on capital flight. Their currency and financial system is on the brink of collapse.

The only hope for Ukraine at this point is to sue for peace. If they continue the "ATO" and don't address internal economic issues, they will guaranteed have another Maidan on their hands. So at this point, the two scenarios are in my estimation, they allow an autonomous Novorossiya or they risk regime collapse, and the potential Kiev falls back into the control of some client of Moscow.

The Ukraine Army outnumbers Novorossiya and already receives western weapons, and they are still losing and on the defensive in many areas.. It isn't as though some new American weapons and some US/UK advisers will change the ground game. They lack the morale and fighting ability that Novorossiya has. Not only do they lack the fighting ability and cohesion, hundreds of thousands of draftees are evading service, and many going to Russia.

One of the reasons I support Putin in this fight is yes, I support Christian Russia over the jewish and atheist US/EU.

There is no evidence of more sanctions coming down the road, major EU leaders like Hollande have come out for example in creating a timeline to scale back sanctions. There certainly won't be any new ones in the near future, at least sanctions enforced by the EU.

It would be nice to have Odessa for example, but it isn't tenable or realistic at this point. So yes, the progress made at this point in the more traditionally russian areas or Luhansk and Donetsk is a success.
 
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I support Christian Russia over the jewish and atheist US/EU.
You're just another christ-tard that puts religion before race. Let me tell you which Russia I support - WHITE Russia. See that's not so hard? Or do you value race so little that you'd place the teachings of a jewish homosexual above it?
 
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Ukraine doesn't have the money to continue an endless war, this is simply false. They are on the verge of bankruptcy, facing completely bankrupt public pension and a currency collapse. Even though Russia has experienced a currency devaluation, it isn't nearly as bad as Ukraine's. Also we need to consider the fact Ukraine, on top of the currency devaluation, has had to implement currency controls and strict conditions on capital flight. Their currency and financial system is on the brink of collapse.

The only hope for Ukraine at this point is to sue for peace. If they continue the "ATO" and don't address internal economic issues, they will guaranteed have another Maidan on their hands. So at this point, the two scenarios are in my estimation, they allow an autonomous Novorossiya or they risk regime collapse, and the potential Kiev falls back into the control of some client of Moscow.

The Ukraine Army outnumbers Novorossiya and already receives western weapons, and they are still losing and on the defensive in many areas.. It isn't as though some new American weapons and some US/UK advisers will change the ground game. They lack the morale and fighting ability that Novorossiya has. Not only do they lack the fighting ability and cohesion, hundreds of thousands of draftees are evading service, and many going to Russia.

One of the reasons I support Putin in this fight is yes, I support Christian Russia over the jewish and atheist US/EU.

There is no evidence of more sanctions coming down the road, major EU leaders like Hollande have come out for example in creating a timeline to scale back sanctions. There certainly won't be any new ones in the near future, at least sanctions enforced by the EU.

It would be nice to have Odessa for example, but it isn't tenable or realistic at this point. So yes, the progress made at this point in the more traditionally russian areas or Luhansk and Donetsk is a success.
Then why aren't they "suing for peace"? Instead they are deploying and bringing more resources to the front during this so called 'ceasefire'. NATO is also sending more supplies people and equipment.

For some reason you seem to think that the population in junta controlled Ukraine is worse off than the population of Donbass. They are not. Yes they live in hardship but however tough it is for them there is no comparison with how bombed people with no roof over their heads in freezing cold, some even on the verge of starvation, are living in rebel areas. No pensions were being paid as the whole area of so called ATO has been placed under economic blockade by the junta and the West.

I will be more than happy for you to come on here say next year and call me out on my error by saying see I told you so! However if I was a betting man I wouldn't put my money on your analysis as I have already seen this scenario with Donbass unfold once before in my area. Same situation same jew actors. We had Albright Novorussians have Nuland.

Unless Russia changes from within the way I see it is there are only three realistic possibilities for Donbass.

First military total defeat. It may take even a few years of building up Kiev while at the same time draining sapping and blockading Donbass until it gets to that weakened point where we have something very similar to Operation Storm in the Balkans. In such case Russia will have to prepare for a few million refugees.

Second possibility, a kind of semi temporary 'peace' with possibly UN or EU 'peace keepers/even more monitors' while politically slowly working for a so called 'peaceful reintegration into Ukraine'. See East Slavonia and Baranja in ex Yugoslavia as a model for this scenario.

Third possibility is some combination of the above two, with certain areas being taken militarily while other harder to take ones are slowly reintegrated step by step, gradually handing over their local authority and power to Kiev.
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Seems like the same old tried and true jewish tactic of screaming while they're viciously attacking you. That's just another one of the ways they wage war by clever deception.
 
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You're just another christ-tard that puts religion before race. Let me tell you which Russia I support - WHITE Russia. See that's not so hard? Or do you value race so little that you'd place the teachings of a jewish homosexual above it?
You support rich international kikes, I have heard you whore for Ukraine in here, because Azov has some cool nazi graphics or something.
 
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