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Old August 10th, 2009 #21
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If all of this is true he even duped the likes of Metzger. I guess the Duke folks may have been right about Hal.

If the the court documents do back the Associated press, Hal may have a hard life ahead of him.



It is such a shame that that there aren't any dynamic personalities out there that can do a show that supports the rights of White folks to survive and have a future. We do need that kind of voice to help wake our folk.
 
Old August 10th, 2009 #22
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Derrick MacThomas has it right. Something definitely doesn't add up. I wish people wouldn't be so daft. Hal obviously wasn't as useful as the feds wanted him to be. You know damn well that the feds leaned hard on Hal after the Lefkow murders and cut some sort of deal with him at that time in return for his "service". That's where it began. The zog could have locked him up for good after those killings after what he wrote on his website. He was mistaken to believe that he had full protection to carry on as usual with the puny shit he turned over to them though. One thing to remember, he never gave them anything worth anything. That's why he's rotting in a cell as we speak. If he truly "infiltrated" any aspect of the WN movement, and turned over viable info., his website and show would carry on indefinitely. The zog was on to him about where his loyalties lie. One thing can be said about Hal for certain though....he acted stupidly.
I think that this version of events makes the most sense. Personally, I have no dog in this fight either way. But it’s not too hard to imagine that after Lefkow his head was in it and he did what he could with half-hearted promises to wiggle it out. Just think of what you would do when they come and offer you the Ken Trentadue treatment? All in all I see no harm no foul here with his FBI dealings. As Rounder says, name one individual locked up on account of Hal?
 
Old August 10th, 2009 #23
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As Rounder says, name one individual locked up on account of Hal?
Even if we had a name, court docs would only ID Hal as a CI. There would be no "Hal Turner" listed on paperwork. What you and Rounder say is impossible to do. After all, the person locked up wouldn't have internet access, either. That statement doesn't wash.
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Old August 10th, 2009 #24
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Derrick was on the "Turner Radio Network". He has a vested interest in Hal.
Guilty as charged.
 
Old August 10th, 2009 #25
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Regardless of anything, I wish all FBI informants would be like Hal Turner. He woke up more whites than I can tell you with his show and website. A hell of alot more damage was done to the jew world order than anything good. Of this I can attest.
 
Old August 10th, 2009 #26
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I'll reserve judgment until more is known. Personally met Hal a couple of times and he seemed like your typical neo-con guy from NJ. Certainly didin't come off as a fire eater jumping at the bit to ethnically cleanse his neighborhood.
 
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AUDIO: Radio Interview with Hal Turner's Lawyer

Hal Turner's Lawyer, Michael Orozco, admits Hal was a "Agent Provocateur" for the FBI

http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=98940



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Old August 11th, 2009 #28
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AUDIO: Radio Interview with Hal Turner's Lawyer

Hal Turner's Lawyer, Michael Orozco, admits Hal was a "Agent Provocateur" for the FBI

http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=98940



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After listening to this mouthpiece, his claim that Hal was a “paid informant” sounds like it may just be a tactical defense. Who knows? Who can say for sure at this point? Staring Matt Hale-like federal time in the face, snuggling up to ZOG is a desperate Hail Mary that they both may feel he needs to take.
 
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No definite comment about this yet. Too soon to judge. Not enough credible information.

It could be that Turner fed inconsequential disinformation to the JOG in order to prove he himself is against illegal activities.

In the 80s, I regularly invited county sheriffs and Joe Momier of the NC Bureau of Investigation to our marches and rallies, and I allowed them to subscribe to our monthly newspaper - all for the purpose of proving the White Patriot Party operated legally. I even had them in my home where myself and other WPP leaders chatted with them and gave them WN literature. And of course, I reported all this to our members via my newspaper and at regular meetings. Not one single member ever objected.

Has any WN sufferred, in any way, because of Turner's communications with law enforcement personnel ??
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I'll reserve judgment until more is known. Personally met Hal a couple of times and he seemed like your typical neo-con guy from NJ. Certainly didin't come off as a fire eater jumping at the bit to ethnically cleanse his neighborhood.
I saw him only once - at the Knoxville demonstration, though I didn't get the chance to speak with him. I thought he gave a damn excellent speech there.

I'd like to hear Alex's "take" on all this. Alex is honest and insightful and more capable of cutting through the BS.

We do know one thing, though. The JOG hates Turner's guts.
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Hal Turner's Lawyer, Michael Orozco, admits Hal was a "Agent Provocateur" for the FBI
One more point on this.

What does an “agent provocateur” claim have to do with a First Amendment defense? Nothing that I can see. It’s either protected speech or it’s not, regardless of the motive. So then why raise the agent provocateur issue at all? The only reason I can think of would be to muddy the prosecution’s case and place additional doubt in the judges’/ juries’ mind when you think your First Amendment defense could be weak. (i.e. “If my client over stepped the free speech line, it was only because he was paid to do so.”)
 
Old August 11th, 2009 #33
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Has any WN sufferred, in any way, because of Turner's communications with law enforcement personnel ??
Was Hal paid tens of thousands of dollars by the FBI for doing nothing but forwarding threatening posts on his blog and reporting a drunk in a bar?

Hal's supporters sure are a gullible lot.

Perhaps if everyone in jail had their own internet connection we would know who all is currently in prison because of Hal Turner.
 
Old August 11th, 2009 #34
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No definite comment about this yet. Too soon to judge. Not enough credible information.

It could be that Turner fed inconsequential disinformation to the JOG in order to prove he himself is against illegal activities.

In the 80s, I regularly invited county sheriffs and Joe Momier of the NC Bureau of Investigation to our marches and rallies, and I allowed them to subscribe to our monthly newspaper - all for the purpose of proving the White Patriot Party operated legally. I even had them in my home where myself and other WPP leaders chatted with them and gave them WN literature. And of course, I reported all this to our members via my newspaper and at regular meetings. Not one single member ever objected.

Has any WN sufferred, in any way, because of Turner's communications with law enforcement personnel ??

Do you mean like charges of sedition or armed robbery and murder???

Nothing like that yet.
 
Old August 11th, 2009 #35
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Was Hal paid tens of thousands of dollars by the FBI for doing nothing but forwarding threatening posts on his blog and reporting a drunk in a bar?

Hal's supporters sure are a gullible lot.

Perhaps if everyone in jail had their own internet connection we would know who all is currently in prison because of Hal Turner.
You're point is well taken, however someone out there would be aware of a WN rounded up by the feds with some kind of suspicious link to Turner. I haven't heard of any. I haven't heard of any trial. There would at least be rumours, certainly now that the cat is out of the bag. Still nothing as of yet.
 
Old August 11th, 2009 #36
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I've given my opinion of Turner many times before.

I don't trust him based on my dealings with him and the fact that he lies about both his own costs and simply invents stories out of thin air and runs them as real news. VNN's backer paid him a lot of money to host us a few years ago. During the half-summer we were on his server, VNN was down about half the time. Worse than any other server we've been with. I loaded stories for three days, and only then did he tell me I was loading them to the wrong server.

There's no excuse for what he has done. Those of you claiming to be shocked are pathetic.

When will some of you get it through your heads that liars do more damage than good?

We hardly need to lie to advance our cause. All we need is the truth, put in simple, direct form, repeated endlessly. That alone won't get the job done, but it is certainly the starting point. The rest I lay out in "Strategy" and related forums below.

Those of you defending Turner belong to the class of loser-fantasists that, even here, we see far too many of. If you think it costs Hal Turner thousands of dollars a month to run his network, you are too stupid to be of use to any political cause. If you can't tell that Hal made up most of his news...same thing. If you're making excuses for him, you're worse than pathetic. Your type will cause this thing to happen over and over again.

Lying and blowharding do nothing for our cause. Wake up and realize that. It's one thing to be a patriotard+race, as Hal was, and at a truly professional level. That's fine as far as it goes. We can use a Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh-style radio voice. But to make stuff up and to issue threats you know you have no intention of following through on is incredibly destructive. Not merely to yourself, as White and Turner have found, but more subtly in that it attracts precisely the kind of easily impressed loser that is sheer avoirdupois on any worthwhile cause.

Rounder, if you had done what Turner did, I would have nothing to do with you. There is no excuse for what he did. Whereas, in your case, the Order wronged you. And I have not seen a single one of the Order fangirls acknowledge that. The Order did nothing for our cause except destroy the most successful American White political group created since before WWII.

Just one last time, in case you don't get it: You making excuses for Turner are pathetic losers. Your very comments show that you are not to be trusted.
 
Old August 11th, 2009 #37
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If Hal Turner was a paid FBI informant, the government sure has a twisted way of thanking him for his services. The manner in which Hal is currently being crucified and persecuted by the government makes me skeptical about him ever being an informant in the first place. It's hard to imagine a genuine FBI informant and agent provocateur being hammered so hard by the same feds that Hal had supposedly helped. As the Irishmen pointed out, I think this is a desperation attempt by Hal and his lawyers to avoid a long prison sentence.

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After listening to this mouthpiece, his claim that Hal was a “paid informant” sounds like it may just be a tactical defense. Who knows? Who can say for sure at this point? Staring Matt Hale-like federal time in the face, snuggling up to ZOG is a desperate Hail Mary that they both may feel he needs to take.
I personally don't like or approve this tactic (if indeed it is just a tactic) However, facing a possible 40 year jail sentence is a desperate situation that would require a desperate measure.
 
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Notice I banned both White and Turner before all this garbage happened. That is because I correctly recognized that although both men have real, substantial, professional-level virtues, these virtues are outweighed by their flaws, in both cases their willingness to lie outright repeatedly.
 
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No definite comment about this yet. Too soon to judge. Not enough credible information.
There is for me. His lawyers and family are certainly acting on his instructions. I have met Hal in person. He has precisely the bearing of the cop - bluff, hearty, loud, strong. It is easy for me to believe that he helped the FBI for free or for pay, in order to get money or thrills. He obviously is someone who makes no great distinction between fantasy and reality. That and his actions make him dangerous to the rest of us and our cause. You anonyms making excuses for him truly are pathetic.
 
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No definite comment about this yet. Too soon to judge. Not enough credible information.
I agree. I have a natural distrust of anything that comes from the Jewsmedia. You have to remember that these people lie for a living.
 
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