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Old October 1st, 2012 #101
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Just hang him and be done with it.

When the pervert brigade start whining then just hang all of them too.


That will shut them up: in many cases permanently.

*Waits for a pervert to start screaming about 'sexual freedom' and 'rights'*
Well, that'll make VNN lose a couple of members, but if that's the price....

A certain clan leader has already expressed his congratulations to the teacher on a good "pull".
 
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Well, that'll make VNN lose a couple of members, but if that's the price....
Not too much of a loss: the next wave of expulsions from Stormfront would probably replace them. Heh.
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Not too much of a loss: the next wave of expulsions from Stormfront would probably replace them. Heh.
Don't say things like that!

Although to be fair, a few of the last load of SF refugees turned out to be good additions.
 
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A certain clan leader has already expressed his congratulations to the teacher on a good "pull".
Judging by his pro big-gubmint economic views Fakins has a contradictory, yet complimentary, understanding of "exploitation".
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I've only ever been attracted to people within one or two years of my own age (a certain SF rock singer notwithstanding) so I find it hard to see the attraction. I don't think relationships such as theirs can last.
That's you. My oldest brother married a girl 20 years younger and they are still married 30 years later. I think that whether age-difference is a positive or a negative in a relationship is a matter of personality-type. The girls who are too serious for their age-peers tend to be attracted to older males.

This is not to say that I approve of the case that is the topic of this thread. Yes, he did violate professional ethics and he seems to be out of control. The girl may end up dumping him simply because he's not in control of himself.

As regards "pædophilia," this is not pædophilia. This girl is physically mature and will be old enough to marry with parental consent within a few months, and in some states she's already old enough. I had a grandmother and grandfather that married when they were about the same age as these two.

A big age-difference in marriage might seem weird to you but historically it's not unusual. Check out the age-difference between Adolf Hitler's parents: 23 years, the same as between Hitler himself and Eva Braun. Dolley Madison was 17 years younger than President James Madison. President Grover Cleveland married the daughter of a friend in the White House when she was 21 and he was 48.

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That's you. My oldest brother married a girl 20 years younger and they are still married 30 years later. I think that whether age-difference is a positive or a negative in a relationship is a matter of personality-type. The very serious girls are often attracted to much older males.

This is not to say that I approve of the case that is the topic of this thread. Yes, he did violate professional ethics and he seems to be out of control. The girl may end up dumping him simply because he's not in control of himself.

As regards "pædophilia," this is not pædophilia. This girl is physically mature and will be old enough to marry with parental consent within a few months, and in some states she's already old enough. I had a grandmother and grandfather that married when they were about the same age as these two.

It might seem weird to you but historically it's not unusual. Check out the age-difference between Adolf Hitler's parents: 23 years, the same as between Hitler himself and Eva Braun.
It only seems weird to me because I personally cannot imagine having anything in common with someone twice my age that would be sufficient to base a lifelong relationship on. I accept this and I accept that there are some people who can ignore the vast age difference and form a deep relationship.

In the UK, this is paedophilia and grooming. No matter what other countries and states do/accept in terms of legal age of consent, here, 15 is unacceptable and that is why I and other UKrs are so shocked and disgusted by it. That's quite aside of the disgust at the abuse of position which you acknowledge.
 
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It only seems weird to me because I personally cannot imagine having anything in common with someone twice my age that would be sufficient to base a lifelong relationship on. I accept this and I accept that there are some people who can ignore the vast age difference and form a deep relationship.

In the UK, this is paedophilia and grooming. No matter what other countries and states do/accept in terms of legal age of consent, here, 15 is unacceptable and that is why I and other UKrs are so shocked and disgusted by it. That's quite aside of the disgust at the abuse of position which you acknowledge.
Unless legal definitions in the UK are vastly different than those in other countries, this is not pædophilia under UK law.

A pedophile is someone who is exclusively or to a significant degree sexually attracted to pre-pubescent children. This definition using legalese tends to give some respectability to the most vile of criminals. In ordinary parlance, a pedophile, especially one convicted of sexual crimes, is a monster who defiles the innocent and renders them scarred emotionally for life. Where the attraction extends to children post puberty, ie young adolescents, the French Canadian experts distinguish it as ‘hebephile’. This term is not known in the English language. [source]


"Age of consent" and being "unacceptable" are distinct from pædophilia. Age of consent and marriageable age are usually well past puberty, with the unfortunate result that many girls have become sluts before they are even old enough to marry (which is probably why Hitler advocated early marriage).

I have noticed that newspapers exploit the vulgar misuse of the term pædophile as a way to avoid negative references to homosexuals. If a homosexual does something inappropriate toward a sexually mature but underage male, nowadays he is incorrectly labeled a pædophile instead of an homosexual. Thus Hillary Clinton can say in her speech to the UN that homosexuals don't recruit teenage boys; oh no, it's "pædophiles" (according to the vulgar definition) that do that, never homosexuals. That's one of the consequences of this reckless use of terms.

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In the UK, this is paedophilia and grooming. No matter what other countries and states do/accept in terms of legal age of consent, here, 15 is unacceptable and that is why I and other UKrs are so shocked and disgusted by it. That's quite aside of the disgust at the abuse of position which you acknowledge.
In other words: just because you are physically able to do something does not mean that you should do it. Just because you are biologically equipped to do so does not mean you should go out and mate with the nearest negro fresh off the boat from deepest darkest Africa.
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Unless legal definitions in the UK are vastly different than those in other countries, this is not pædophilia under UK law.

A pedophile is someone who is exclusively or to a significant degree sexually attracted to pre-pubescent children. This definition using legalese tends to give some respectability to the most vile of criminals. In ordinary parlance, a pedophile, especially one convicted of sexual crimes, is a monster who defiles the innocent and renders them scarred emotionally for life. Where the attraction extends to children post puberty, ie young adolescents, the French Canadian experts distinguish it as ‘hebephile’. This term is not known in the English language. [source]
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Lord Robertson of Oakridge asked Her Majesty's Government:

Whether a legal definition has been established for the term “paedophile".[HL4023]

Lord Bassam of Brighton: As my noble and learned friend Lord Williams of Mostyn explained in answer to the question asked by the noble Lord on 14 October 1997 (WA 113), there is no legal definition of the word “paedophile" in English law. However, there are a number of offences under which those who sexually abuse children can be prosecuted.

This area of the law is being examined as part of the current sexual offences review which has, as one of its principal aims, to make recommendations on clear and coherent offences that will protect the individual, particularly children and the more vulnerable, from abuse and exploitation. I cannot predict the outcome of this review but it is not clear whether there would be any merit in importing the use of the word “paedophile" into English law and attempting to define it.
http://www.publications.parliament.u...t/91011w05.htm

I trust I don't need to provide a legal definition for the word child and that we can all agree it means someone under 18 or 16?

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The Sexual Offences Act 2003 states that the age of consent for sex is 16 in England and Wales. The Sexual Offences (Northern Ireland) Order 2008 brings the age of consent in Northern Ireland down from 17 to 16, to bring it into line with the rest of the UK.

It is not intended that the sexual offences legislation be used to prosecute mutually consenting sexual activity between under 16s, unless it involves abuse or exploitation. To protect younger children, the law says children under 13 can never legally give consent, so any sexual activity with a child aged 12 or under will be subject to the maximum penalties.

The legislation also gives extra protection to 16 and 17 year-olds. It is illegal to take, show or distribute indecent photographs, pay for or arrange sexual services, or for a person in a position of trust (e.g. teachers, care workers and sports coaches) to engage in sexual activity with anyone under the age of 18.
http://www.nspcc.org.uk/Inform/resea..._wda59396.html

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"Age of consent" and being "unacceptable" are distinct from pædophilia.
In your opinion.

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I have noticed that newspapers exploit the vulgar misuse of the term pædophile as a way to avoid negative references to homosexuals. If a homosexual does something inappropriate toward a sexually mature but underage male, he is incorrectly labeled a pædophile instead of a homosexual. Thus Hillary Clinton can say in her speech to the UN that homosexuals don't recruit teenage boys; oh no, it's "pædophiles" (according to the vulgar definition) that do that, never homosexuals. That's one of the consequences of this reckless use of terms.
Underage = paedophile no matter how much you introduce other scenarios.

Insisting that 15 does not = paedophile helps normalise the disgusting act of having sex or lusting after those who are underage - children.

I have no interest in helping those with an unhealthy attraction to children - paedophiles- feel better about their miserable, worthless selves.

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In other words: just because you are physically able to do something does not mean that you should do it. Just because you are biologically equipped to do so does not mean you should go out and mate with the nearest negro fresh off the boat from deepest darkest Africa.
Exactly.
 
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Underage = paedophile no matter how much you introduce other scenarios.
How do you reconcile your broad use of the term pædophile with the fact that underage females (at age 16) can marry with parental consent? Is that legalized pædophilia?

I am sorry that in the UK you are tossing around an inflammatory term that is undefined by UK law. I guess in that case it can mean whatever you want it to mean.

But you do have psychiatrists in the UK, and I think if you asked one of them he would tell you that a pædophile is somebody with a fetish for prepubescents.
 
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zog is trying to expand the term pedophilia to increase it's power and as with immigration imbeciles on the right who swallow slogans seem bent on increasing zog's powers over the citizens.

Brit law defines child porn to include under age of consent which is a broadening of the term considerably.

15 is old enough. girls should not be in school anyway but reproducing. They don't even need to read and write. Look at paki women. let them be yer role models as pakis have good families and the UK is a disaster with 25% unmarried mother underclass dysgenic sluts married to the state.
Like Babylon where women served the temple. babylonian jewish culture there you are.

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now an image of a 17.5 yr old girl is child porn in the insane UK. Zog power grab behind this entire pedo craze.

In Ireland they lowered the homo age of consent while raising the hetero one. Making heterosexuality increasingly illegal same as with all the sex harassment bs . Men have no rights and women are great big shopping holes sucking in massive amount of chinese made consumer crap.
 
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How do you reconcile your broad use of the term pædophile with the fact that underage females can marry with parental consent? Is that legalized pædophilia?
The law is an oddity in the UK in that you can have sex at 16 or marry at 16 yet not celebrate with alcohol. You can join to fight for your country at 16 yet not vote for the government who decides the war you will be fighting until 18. You can still request help from the Social Services until the age of 18. The law in general surrounding ages is irrational and often a result of a kneejerk response.

Paedophile is used in the UK to denote an adult having sex with anyone under 16.
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I am sorry that in the UK you are tossing around an inflammatory term that is undefined by UK law. I guess in that case it can mean whatever you want it to mean.
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As we have established, a child is anyone under the age of 16.

Using the purely-psychiatric definition may help your case but shrinks do not have a monopoly on the word.

From Wiki.

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As a medical diagnosis, pedophilia, or paedophilia, is defined as a psychiatric disorder in persons who are 16 years of age or older typically characterized by a primary or exclusive sexual interest in prepubescent children
I have bolded the salient point.

Also from Wiki, again with the salient points bolded.


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In popular usage, pedophilia means any sexual interest in children or the act of child sexual abuse, often termed "pedophilic behavior".[2][7][8][9] For example, The American Heritage Stedman's Medical Dictionary states, "Pedophilia is the act or fantasy on the part of an adult of engaging in sexual activity with a child or children."[10] This common use application also extends to the sexual interest in and sexual contact with pubescent or post-pubescent minors.[1
.....such as, of course, a 14/15 year old girl.

But you do have psychiatrists in the UK, and I think if you asked one of them he would tell you that a pædophile is somebody with a fetish for prepubescents.[/QUOTE]

I'm not interested in the babble of psychiatrists with a vested interest and a fixation on medical diagnoses or in any of the con tricks of their "art".
 
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Of course not, but then life is full of double standards.
It most certainly is Steven,it seems you're leading a double life being involved in white nationalism and being a pedo
 
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Paedophile is used in the UK to denote an adult having sex with anyone under 16.
This is a retreat from your earlier position (now replacing "under 16" for "underage" i.e. under 18). It's still not correct but you're getting closer.

The marriageable age in the UK was only raised to 16 in 1929. Is pædophilia now different from what it was before 1929?

Continued dialectic would tend to force you to adopt the psychiatric definition.
 
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This is a retreat from your earlier position (now replacing "under 16" for "underage" i.e. under 18). It's still not correct but you're getting closer.

The marriageable age in the UK was only raised to 16 in 1929. Is pædophilia now different from what it was before 1929?

Continued dialectic would tend to force you to adopt the psychiatric definition.
Perhaps you don't realise that the law kicks in at different ages in the UK. Underage is defined as under 18. Underage sex is defined as under 16. When the topic is sex and I state "underage" it is evident that I mean "under 16". If the topic was alcohol and I said "underage" I would mean "under 18."

Hopefully that simplifies it for you.

You might like to step away from mentioning the Marriage Act, seeing as it was changed to requiring parental consent under 21.
 
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Underage is defined as under 18.
Correct. You said "underage = pædophilia" and then you retreated to "under 16." You also tried to hang everything on the word child, which has a wide range of meanings. If I ask you to define pædophilia in the UK before the marriageable age was raised to 16 in 1929, you will be at a loss until you accept the psychiatric definition.

I got a positive rep point here just now from a female, btw.

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It most certainly is Steven,it seems you're leading a double life being involved in white nationalism and being a pedo
I've only ever been attracted to White girls, and I've never been with anyone who was under the legal age of consent.
 
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Correct. You said "underage = pædophilia" and then you retreated to "under 16." If I ask you to define pædophilia in the UK before the marriageable age was raised to 16 in 1929, you will be at a loss.
No, I did not retreat at all. Underage = paedophilia. As I just clearly said, when the word underage is used in connection with sex, in the UK it means under 16. Not elaborating in the original post is not "retreat".

What you and other defenders very often miss is the glaring difference between 2012 and 1929. In the 1900's, approximately half of all children died before they reached five. The life-span was much less for many reasons - lack of medical knowledge, poverty and so on. If girls had waited until 20 or 21 to have their first child, they would not only have been an economic burden on their parents well past sustainability for the rest of the family. They would likely not have lived to see the child reach a fair age. Something like 1 in 4 births resulted in the death of the mother and the poorer you were, the higher the odds. Teenage is a relatively new concept and teenage in the 1900's - had the word been coined then - was an entirely different set of experiences to now.

Marriages were arranged/undertaken for social or economic profit and reasons, not for love. In many cases it was first come, first served. Returning to the healthcare of the 1900's, you do realise that we have made significant advances since then, and we have determined, through science, the age at which a girl is best equipped, emotionally, mentally, physically and financially to raise a child? We have realised that a girl/child is still growing at the age of 12 but has usually finished growing by 16/17 and we have adjusted the childbearing age - because that is what sex is primarily for - having children - accordingly. I see this as a good thing. Guidelines should be changed as knowledge becomes available.

I suppose I cannot adequately answer your question as I am unable to put aside all the biological and medical knowledge that has been made before and during my lifetime.

Of course, if you desire a return to the good ol' days, send your five year old son/grandson round to mine. My chimney needs sweeping.

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So? Everyone is entitled to an opinion and good for her for having one. I've had rep points for my posts on this thread as well. Clearly we are both making an impact. Life is boring when you are a drone.

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It wasn't me with the rep point just in case anyone wondered. Forrest was supposed to be the TEACHER, a MARRIED one at that. So far he seems to have behaved like a perpetual youth seeking thrills.

Very much like these parents who want to be "friends" and not parents to their children.
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No, I did not retreat at all. Underage = paedophilia. As I just clearly said, when the word underage is used in connection with sex, in the UK it means under 16. Not elaborating in the original post is not "retreat".
Total bullshit. "Not elaborating" means that you meant underage plain and simple. After I pointed out that underage girls could marry, you have tried to pretend that this wasn't what you meant.

These legally established ages for marriage etc. are arbitrary. The psychiatric definition of pædophilia is not. The psychiatric definition is the only real definition in the UK, since law there does not define it. The word pædophile uttered without the applicability of any legal or psychiatric definition is simply an insult, in this instance a caricature through exaggeration.

Real pædophiles exist. A 30-year-old guy with a fully developed 15-year-old girlfriend is taking a big risk but he is not a pædophile. Judging by the way Jeremy Forrest has handled the situation, I'd say that he's a little crazy and out of control, but he's not a pædophile. Errol Flynn was not a pædophile either. If you think that's a pædophile then you don't know what kinds of real sickos are out there. (Look into Larry Birkin if you want a hint.)

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What you and other defenders very often miss
What am I supposed to be defending here? I am attacking the inappropriate use of an inflammatory word. This is something that I do in a variety of contexts. Loose use of inflammatory words is harmful to clear thinking. It leads to intemperate and ill-considered action.

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