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Old December 13th, 2014 #81
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Well, if you're interested in actually knowing what you say you believe in, rather than just making shit up as you go along to fit your current mood, I highly recommend this piece by the Institute of Historical Review, which dispels all Marxist and conservative lies about Nationalsocialism:
http://www.ihr.org/other/economyhitler2011.html
Don't have that tone. I know fully what happened in NS Germany. Except I don't have a socialist agenda to praise socialism all the time.

"Hitler did not implement any serious monetary reform after he came to power. Between 31 December and 30 June 1938, the national debt of the Reich rose from 10.4 billion Marks to 19 billion Marks. There was no usury free economy. The common man or small business actually would have next to no access to credit at all."

"War profiteering by the industrial and financial class was in no way restricted. As a result, they profited immensely from the war. This was indeed the main reason for them to enable Hitler’s rise to power and their loyal support of his policies during the rearmament and the war. Even today, the main culprits like the Thyssen family, Krupp and the Goebbels step-children owning BMW are among the richest people in Germany. The same banks that financed the Reich’s war are now among the biggest in the world."

http://realcurrencies.wordpress.com/...sury-activism/
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Don't have that tone. I know fully what happened in NS Germany. Except I don't have a socialist agenda to praise socialism all the time.

"Hitler did not implement any serious monetary reform after he came to power. Between 31 December and 30 June 1938, the national debt of the Reich rose from 10.4 billion Marks to 19 billion Marks. There was no usury free economy. The common man or small business actually would have next to no access to credit at all."

"War profiteering by the industrial and financial class was in no way restricted. As a result, they profited immensely from the war. This was indeed the main reason for them to enable Hitler’s rise to power and their loyal support of his policies during the rearmament and the war. Even today, the main culprits like the Thyssen family, Krupp and the Goebbels step-children owning BMW are among the richest people in Germany. The same banks that financed the Reich’s war are now among the biggest in the world."

http://realcurrencies.wordpress.com/...sury-activism/
Let's drop it for now, take it to the appropriate capitalism thread and we'll see how your blog's idiotic assertions do. I say, let people read my IHR link, and then your off-brand-Henry Makow link, and see which one makes a more compelling argument.

Alex Jones-types looking to make a buck with their books generally go out of their way to lie about Hitler and the Nazis, just to be clear they're not "anti-semitic". Even mainstream historians admit the Germans abolished usury and punished war profiteering.

The thing about Goebbels' step-child profitting from the war is ridiculously dishonest. Harald Quandt's (Goebbels Step-son) father was an industrialist, and made most of his fortune in WW1, not WW2. Harald Quandt himself served in the Luftwaffe and was wounded in combat in Italy.

When he was released from allied captivity in the late 40's, he reunited with his father's side of the family and was allowed to partake in some of their business. Many of the Quandts who today own the largest stakes in BMW are heavily intermarried or part-Jewish themselves, such as Colleen Bettina Rosenblat. The only link to Goebbels is that 1 of the Quandts lived with Joseph Goebbels and his mother for a couple of years, and he didn't profit from WWII- he fought in it.
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Old December 13th, 2014 #83
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Let's drop it for now, take it to the appropriate capitalism thread and we'll see how your blog's idiotic assertions do. I say, let people read my IHR link, and then your off-brand-Henry Makow link, and see which one makes a more compelling argument.

Alex Jones-types looking to make a buck with their books generally go out of their way to lie about Hitler and the Nazis, just to be clear they're not "anti-semitic". Even mainstream historians admit the Germans abolished usury and punished war profiteering.

The thing about Goebbels' step-child profitting from the war is ridiculously dishonest. Harald Quandt's (Goebbels Step-son) father was an industrialist, and made most of his fortune in WW1, not WW2. Harald Quandt himself served in the Luftwaffe and was wounded in combat in Italy.

When he was released from allied captivity in the late 40's, he reunited with his father's side of the family and was allowed to partake in some of their business. Many of the Quandts who today own the largest stakes in BMW are heavily intermarried or part-Jewish themselves, such as Colleen Bettina Rosenblat. The only link to Goebbels is that 1 of the Quandts lived with Joseph Goebbels and his mother for a couple of years, and he didn't profit from WWII- he fought in it.
There is something almost esthetically pleasing when so many major errors are concentrated into a single post.
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Since you seem a bit oriented to WW2-stuff as of now, if you'd like to dwelve deeper into what a corrupt man and sellout FDR was, you could perhaps read Curtis B. Dall's My Exploited Father-in-Law. It's about 130 pages so it should be fine. I think the insider perspective of this book could offer some genuine insight.

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Curtis Dall is most well known in recent times for his book My Exploited Father-in-law, in which he speaks of his ex-father-in-law, and his relationship with, as he saw them, the corrupt power of the banking elite of the time. In reference to the Great Depression of the 1930s he states: "Actually it was the calculated 'shearing' of the public by the World Money-Powers, triggered by the planned sudden shortage of the supply of call money in the New York money market."

Dall's short memoir adds little to the history of the New Deal and skips over his relationship with Anna. Eleanor Roosevelt's and Anna's correspondence reveals that they loathed Dall, who admitted to be on acerbic terms with Louis Howe and other FDR advisers. The title My Exploited Father-in-law refers to Dall's belief that sinister forces, represented in part by Howe, Bernard Baruch, Louis Brandeis, Felix Frankfurter, and Henry Morgenthau, manipulated FDR in the service of the "Godless Dictatorship" of the "One-Money-One-World-Super State"
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Since you seem a bit oriented to WW2-stuff as of now, if you'd like to dwelve deeper into what a corrupt man and sellout FDR was, you could perhaps read Curtis B. Dall's My Exploited Father-in-Law. It's about 130 pages so it should be fine. I think the insider perspective of this book could offer some genuine insight.



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PDF: https://ia600401.us.archive.org/23/i...n-law/dall.pdf
Will check it out.

What I'm doing: back in 2005, I bought about 100 books. Most of them were the right-White books that are hard to find - The Nameless War, A Terrible Revenge - all the stuff that isn't mainstream. That you won't find in bookstores, and will pay a surcharge for through amazon if you can find it. So these are the most important books to get online - stuff people cant find or afford. White stuff, racial stuff, and real history. And I've also got the Jones stuff, which is out there to a degree, but his giant tomes are ridiculously expensive and sometimes not available. So I will get a lot of these littler books (up to 250 pages) online in audio form, then go to the larger ones.

My focus is always to get the biggest bang-per-buck for expended effort - something that will do our cause the most value when spread. Any suggestions are welcome.
 
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Will check it out.

What I'm doing: back in 2005, I bought about 100 books. Most of them were the right-White books that are hard to find - The Nameless War, A Terrible Revenge - all the stuff that isn't mainstream. That you won't find in bookstores, and will pay a surcharge for through amazon if you can find it. So these are the most important books to get online - stuff people cant find or afford. White stuff, racial stuff, and real history. And I've also got the Jones stuff, which is out there to a degree, but his giant tomes are ridiculously expensive and sometimes not available. So I will get a lot of these littler books (up to 250 pages) online in audio form, then go to the larger ones.

My focus is always to get the biggest bang-per-buck for expended effort - something that will do our cause the most value when spread. Any suggestions are welcome.
Weston A Price's book Nutrition and Physical Degeneration is something white nationalists would benefit from. He was a dentist from Ohio that wanted to know why the dental health got worse and worse. So he travelled around the world to isolated villages that had good health and excellent teeth. Some of the facts are outdated but still a very valid book. And I think you would find the pictures amusing.
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Will check it out.

What I'm doing: back in 2005, I bought about 100 books. Most of them were the right-White books that are hard to find - The Nameless War, A Terrible Revenge - all the stuff that isn't mainstream. That you won't find in bookstores, and will pay a surcharge for through amazon if you can find it. So these are the most important books to get online - stuff people cant find or afford. White stuff, racial stuff, and real history. And I've also got the Jones stuff, which is out there to a degree, but his giant tomes are ridiculously expensive and sometimes not available. So I will get a lot of these littler books (up to 250 pages) online in audio form, then go to the larger ones.

My focus is always to get the biggest bang-per-buck for expended effort - something that will do our cause the most value when spread. Any suggestions are welcome.
May be redundant since it's relatively famous and widely available, but what about a few chapters from Henry Ford's International Jew?

http://www.radioislam.org/ford/TheInternationalJew.pdf
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Maybe some NS texts from calvin.edu.

A good way to add shorter works to the mix and put your NS strategy comments in one place.

An observation, so far the books are good because they come at the jew sort of obliquely and give you scope to draw out the jew connection and comment. They're fertile, suggestive, pregnant, emanate-able, or whatever you want to call it.
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Earlier you were remarking that schooling saps creativity, and you're not wrong about that. I would say it's worse on the University level than in the lower grades though.

I read some of the things I wrote when I was 15 or 16 and I notice how much more creative and lyrical my language was compared to now. When I got to University professors would punish this with red ink for not writing in a boring academic way, so they gradually beat this out of you until you standardize.

That's not a public vs private issue, since private universities do it as much as public ones, however.
Not forced to pay for private, though.

The problem is writing for length. Most school is so boring, and practice exercises so tedious that one only wants to get the task completed. I can recall one paper I wrote I enjoyed, the rest was drudgery. When you write for length, you pick up very bad habits - precisely the opposite habits you need when you write professionally - where the goal is short as possible. In pro writing (before the internet anyway) there's never enough space/time, so you have to get to the point. You cant write long inflated sentences because there's not enough room or money to pay to print them.

Public school is designed to make people literate enough to absorb propaganda. Not to intellectually develop them, or encourage them in their different abilities. Just enough to grasp what's said on tv. Beyond that, it actually discourages them - as you'll find from any extended talk with an NEA member. No one hates learning like a public school teachers.

Teachers are uniform system products, they have to get mickey-mouse accreditation to teach.

In the real world, learning is brought on by need - the exact opposite of academic, which is basically pointless exercises. In the real world, being able to do something is the qualification that matters, but in 'education' it's all about the certificate - which guarantees you have gone through 2 years of marxist teacher-education bullshit unrelated to the substance of the actual courses you'll be teaching.

There's a reason that homeschool kids perform much better than public school kids and it's not that they're smarter to start with. They end up better socialized too, contrary to NEA lies.

See the HS section - it takes 100 hours to learn the three Rs. After that you can teach yourself. So why does schooling take 20 years? To waste energy and money. To brainwash and control. To subude and pacify.

Not to mention - now we have the internet. What could possibly be less reasonable than a brick-and-mortar school for education? You can find lectures on anything you want to know on youtube. You can read up on everything you want to know here at VNNF or somewhere else.
 
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May be redundant since it's relatively famous and widely available, but what about a few chapters from Henry Ford's International Jew?

http://www.radioislam.org/ford/TheInternationalJew.pdf
yep that's in this class, i have one copy of IJ. it hits all the bases. i will get to that.
 
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Maybe some NS texts from calvin.edu.

A good way to add shorter works to the mix and put your NS strategy comments in one place.

An observation, so far the books are good because they come at the jew sort of obliquely and give you scope to draw out the jew connection and comment. They're fertile, suggestive, pregnant, emanate-able, or whatever you want to call it.
yeah that might work.
 
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http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/M...hran-Part1.mp3

Culture Wars (april 2013): "Culture Jihad in Tehran" (part 1 of 2)

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(part 2 of 2)

http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/M...hran-Part2.mp3

(1:58)

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Ruhollah Mostafavi Moosavi Khomeini (Persian: روح*الله خمینی‎, [ruːholˈlɑːhe χomeiˈniː] ( listen), 24 September 1902 – 3 June 1989), was an Iranian religious leader, revolutionary, and politician, and leader of the 1979 Iranian Revolution which saw the overthrow of Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, the Shah of Iran. Following the revolution, Khomeini became the country's Supreme Leader, a position created in the constitution as the highest ranking political and religious authority of the nation, which he held until his death.
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Ali Hosseini Khamenei (Persian: علی حسینی خامنه*ای‎ pronounced [ʔćˈliː hoseiˈniː xɒːmeneˈʔiː] ( listen); born 17 July 1939)[1] is the second and current Supreme Leader of Iran[2] and a Shia Cleric.[2][3] Ali Khamenei succeeded Ruhollah Khomeini, the leader of the Iranian Revolution, after Khomeini's death, being elected as the new Supreme Leader by the Assembly of Experts on 4 June 1989.
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Many of Iran's Mullahs (guardians of the revolution) are Aryans, which adds a racial angle to Iran's impressive resistance to the Jew. On Stormfront you get banned by peabrains for suggesting such a thing, because somehow your religion changes your DNA. These people aren't just light-skinned middle easterners, if your smart enough to look past the garb and beards, you'll realize their facial structures are also well within the European range, without the "offness" of Jews.

If these guys aren't white, who is?













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Culture Wars (april 2013): "Culture Jihad in Tehran" (part 1 of 2)

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(part 2 of 2)

http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/M...hran-Part2.mp3

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Iran was named Persia until the 1930's. Inspired by Hitler, Reza Shah Pahlavi renamed his country to Iran (land of the Aryans). Iran was a very close friend of the Third Reich until the Soviet Union and Britain invaded them and deposed quasi-nationalsocialist Reza Shah and placed his unscrupulous son (who they bought) in power.

Mohammed Reza Pahlavi, who was overthrown in 1979, was a complete Jew-tool. His policies to institute feminism, homosexuality, promote Hollywood, and work with Israel are the reason he was booted from the country. Documents from the US embassy captured by Iranian revolutionaries show that he was little more than a CIA agent.

I'm glad you're open minded enough read this article. In my opinion, the lessons learned from the NS revolution are built upon by the Iranian revolution.
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I somewhat agree with you, Joe_Smith, but as a germanic-nordic I'd certainly not like to see them in my country in an ideal situation. Little strange though, the first guy looks like he could fit in both in southern Europe and Russia. The others mostly in Italy or Greece.
 
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Khamenei looks White; Khomeini looked like Sean Connery after not taking a shit for a month.
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I somewhat agree with you, Joe_Smith, but as a germanic-nordic I'd certainly not like to see them in my country in an ideal situation. Little strange though, the first guy looks like he could fit in both in southern Europe and Russia. The others mostly in Italy or Greece.
I would say some are more Southern European looking, while others aren't unheard of in Germany or (especially) Britain.

The Irano-Afghan racial type is considered to be a proto-Nordic/Mediterranean (which aside from pigment, are closely related racial types). The convex nose so typical of Iranians is distinct from the likes of Jews or Arabs, John Lawrence Angel believed it was identical to the Keltic-Nordic racial type.

I wouldn't endorse a large number of Iranians coming into Europe. Nor would I suggest a substantial number of British moving to Spain, or millions of Poles going to Britain, or Italians replacing Germans. But I think it would be criminal to dismiss the value and achievement of the Aryans in the region, even if they are not Western per se.

Notice the only place on earth white intellectuals (David Duke, E michael Jones, et al) are given space and platform is in the Shi'a Muslim world (Syria, Iran, and Lebanon). ZOG has picked Sunnis (Turkey, Saudi Arabia, ISIS, etc), whites should support Shi'as.
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Jones' observance on physical affection between men in Iran that is strange to us because Jews homosexualize everything is something that is especially true in Germanic cultures. But is that just Germanic cultural or is it thanks to Jews?

When I greet male relatives I greet them with a kiss on the cheek, and I'm sure many dumbasses think that's faggy. In Germany, if you give your brother or a good friend a kiss on the cheek, people will think you're a queer (even after knowing your related) and mock you for it. Meanwhile, Berlin has a faggot for a mayor, and if you were to mock him over that you could go to jail. Germans can also pay to have sex with a llama in barnyard brothel, talk about Talmudic cognitive dissonance.

Meanwhile, when you meet a woman for the first time, you're supposed to shake their hand. I go out of my to also greet women with a kiss on the cheek, to make a point about gender boundaries. Another example of Jews sexualizing everything.

Closeness and fraternity between men is an important factor in the fight. Bonding over hunting or political struggle, whatever it may be, is a very fulfilling experience that has no equals. Yet, most white males only have 1 friend: their wife, and that's by Jewish design. Building fraternal ties that lead men to be willing to sacrifice and fight for a comrade is the basic building block to all successful political movements.

If you were to make some sort of analogy to Shia and Sunni Islam, it would be like Catholics and Protestants. Shia's believe the Qu'ran is interpreted by the Mullahs (the guardians of Iran's revolution) , while Sunnis prefer to interpret the Qu'ran however they want (hence you get groups like ISIS who are pimping women out against their will and beheading children). Sunnis tend to be more hypocritical and fixated on puritanicalism (for example, Waahibist Sunnis ban...music).

The results of the centralized Islam (Iran, Hezbollah) vs the open ended decentralized Islam (Taliban, ISIS etc) show the gulf in results, so Jones is correct in comparing Shia Islam with Catholicism. The Pakistanis in the United States who generally are small business owners and doctors are (in my experience from talking to them, don't have hard data) usually from Pakistan's asylum seeking Shia minority, while the feral Pakis raping and killing everyone in Greece and Britain are Sunnis.
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Iran was named Persia until the 1930's. Inspired by Hitler, Reza Shah Pahlavi renamed his country to Iran (land of the Aryans). Iran was a very close friend of the Third Reich until the Soviet Union and Britain invaded them and deposed quasi-nationalsocialist Reza Shah and placed his unscrupulous son (who they bought) in power.

Mohammed Reza Pahlavi, who was overthrown in 1979, was a complete Jew-tool. His policies to institute feminism, homosexuality, promote Hollywood, and work with Israel are the reason he was booted from the country. Documents from the US embassy captured by Iranian revolutionaries show that he was little more than a CIA agent.

I'm glad you're open minded enough read this article. In my opinion, the lessons learned from the NS revolution are built upon by the Iranian revolution.
First you go on a crusade for socialism which you want to forcefeed down everyones throats then you claim persians are white? Are you a troll?
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