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Old December 14th, 2014 #101
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First you go on a crusade for socialism which you want to forcefeed down everyones throats then you claim persians are white? Are you a troll?
I'm simply listing little known facts, I'll let people come to their own conclusions about that. If you disagree, you're welcome to talk about it... like a man. Under the Nuremberg race laws, Iranians were classified as Aryans, which many of them (especially in the northern region) are still descendents of. Read into it before opining.

If you're too emotional to handle a different opinion from your own, then this isn't the forum for you. You should instead post on a forum like stormfront where you can frantically click the report button and get someone like JackBoot to delete ideas that cause your pint-sized conservative brain to short circuit.

Accusing me of being a troll just makes you look like an idiot. Here we are trying to discuss significant ideological issues regarding economics, race, geopolitics, etc. If you think you have a better case than me, then make it, instead of spouting off 1 liners and false accusations (like the ones you make against me, or lying about the Nazis practicing usury, or lying by taking certain facts out of context to suggest Goebbels' step-child profiteered from WWII and lived as a billionaire).

4 Years on this forum and 72 posts. That's what my troll account on a Leftist forum looks like. Glass houses...
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Old December 14th, 2014 #102
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Not forced to pay for private, though.

The problem is writing for length. Most school is so boring, and practice exercises so tedious that one only wants to get the task completed. I can recall one paper I wrote I enjoyed, the rest was drudgery. When you write for length, you pick up very bad habits - precisely the opposite habits you need when you write professionally - where the goal is short as possible. In pro writing (before the internet anyway) there's never enough space/time, so you have to get to the point. You cant write long inflated sentences because there's not enough room or money to pay to print them.

Public school is designed to make people literate enough to absorb propaganda. Not to intellectually develop them, or encourage them in their different abilities. Just enough to grasp what's said on tv. Beyond that, it actually discourages them - as you'll find from any extended talk with an NEA member. No one hates learning like a public school teachers.

Teachers are uniform system products, they have to get mickey-mouse accreditation to teach.

In the real world, learning is brought on by need - the exact opposite of academic, which is basically pointless exercises. In the real world, being able to do something is the qualification that matters, but in 'education' it's all about the certificate - which guarantees you have gone through 2 years of marxist teacher-education bullshit unrelated to the substance of the actual courses you'll be teaching.

There's a reason that homeschool kids perform much better than public school kids and it's not that they're smarter to start with. They end up better socialized too, contrary to NEA lies.

See the HS section - it takes 100 hours to learn the three Rs. After that you can teach yourself. So why does schooling take 20 years? To waste energy and money. To brainwash and control. To subude and pacify.

Not to mention - now we have the internet. What could possibly be less reasonable than a brick-and-mortar school for education? You can find lectures on anything you want to know on youtube. You can read up on everything you want to know here at VNNF or somewhere else.

Some good points here, but public education today has hardly anything to do with the Prussian model that did great things for Germany. America today has a progressive education system that is based on the cultural Marxist nation-retarding ideas of John Dewey.

Before the Jewish takeover, Prussian-style schools taught people how to think. That's the base the Nazis had to engage the masses with their ideas. American public schools are about being "inclusive" and dumbing things down so everyone feels special, so material is limited (and in modern times, heavily politicized) in scope. Prussian education, due to the fact that Prussia was more or less a military state, encouraged analytical thinking and (reasonable) open-endedness because these are very valuable traits to have on the battlefield (compulsory education was passed after a major defeat of Prussia in the Napoleonic war). One of the reason German officers were more creative and competent than their West Point equivalents is partially thanks to this difference between Prussian and American educational philosophies.

Harvard, Stanford, John Hopkins, and Yale are the only institutions that still truly practice the Prussian model, and they're the only ones that produce results worth talking about these days (even with the dumbing down that comes from Jewish controll).
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Old December 14th, 2014 #103
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E. Michael Jones is brilliant, but his Catholic blindspot to the Jew as a biological entity is ridiculous. Pour holy water on a kike and magically a rotwieler becomes a shih-tzu.

Trad Catholics rail against Vatican II yet also against classifying Jews as a race. Who were the theologians supporting it Vatican II? Gregory Baum and Nathan Osterreich, two "Catholic" who weaseled their way into the top brass, despite being booted from Germany for being Jews.

Any institution that doesn't understand Jews as a race is doomed to be infiltrated and destroyed by them.
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Old December 15th, 2014 #104
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Some good points here, but public education today has hardly anything to do with the Prussian model that did great things for Germany. America today has a progressive education system that is based on the cultural Marxist nation-retarding ideas of John Dewey.

Before the Jewish takeover, Prussian-style schools taught people how to think. That's the base the Nazis had to engage the masses with their ideas. American public schools are about being "inclusive" and dumbing things down so everyone feels special, so material is limited (and in modern times, heavily politicized) in scope. Prussian education, due to the fact that Prussia was more or less a military state, encouraged analytical thinking and (reasonable) open-endedness because these are very valuable traits to have on the battlefield (compulsory education was passed after a major defeat of Prussia in the Napoleonic war). One of the reason German officers were more creative and competent than their West Point equivalents is partially thanks to this difference between Prussian and American educational philosophies.

Harvard, Stanford, John Hopkins, and Yale are the only institutions that still truly practice the Prussian model, and they're the only ones that produce results worth talking about these days (even with the dumbing down that comes from Jewish controll).
I've seen the claim that Prussia reserved genuine intellectual education for the top 1%. The point is that public education serves the central state. The people are just resources to be used by central government, they have no ends in their own selves and lives. The people who structured American public schooling went to Germany for PhDs, and they realized what they could do if they could make public schools universal and coerced. They were successful. They left reins the jews could pick up when they got here, and they ran with it.

You seem to want a new Sparta or Prussia. The most I think The Guardians (or some such) should do is have one central Aryan State University with the highest rigor. That will naturally draw the elite, as it will be prestigious. Then just develop a curriculum, and let people use it. Or not. Hitler didn't allow homeschooling. I don't agree with that. If idiots want to raise their kids christian, they should be allowed to. So long as the racial basis of the state isn't undermined, there's no problem. That part must be severely authoritarian, and as generously construed as need be. But I know how whites are, and merely having whites, even racially conscious ones in government, will not solve problems that are caused by human or white nature. The same incentives to cheat, lie, graft will remain, and for these, the technical solutions (and blood lottery) are the only ways to limit damage.

Competition is the only regulation that works. You "commies" need to realize that.
 
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E. Michael Jones is brilliant, but his Catholic blindspot to the Jew as a biological entity is ridiculous. Pour holy water on a kike and magically a rotwieler becomes a shih-tzu.

Trad Catholics rail against Vatican II yet also against classifying Jews as a race. Who were the theologians supporting it Vatican II? Gregory Baum and Nathan Osterreich, two "Catholic" who weaseled their way into the top brass, despite being booted from Germany for being Jews.

Any institution that doesn't understand Jews as a race is doomed to be infiltrated and destroyed by them.
Catholicism can see jews as subverters, but it doesn't trace this to their race. They can be converted. Since a few have been successfully, that proves they all can. That is catholic reasoning. To an outsider, it's insane, but that is how they see it. And it's dogmatic, if I'm using that word right. They won't change it because they can't change it. They can't divide humans into competing races because that's against their dogma, that all men need jesus christ. So...they're screwed. Their dogma leaves them open to subversion. It's basically like the saying: you have to win every time, but we only have to win once. Well, now they've won. They've got in and completely poisoned the church. It now completely serves jew interests. It takes this decades to work out, but jews are patient. Now we have a pope who:

- worships jews, forgives their murdering jebus, participates in their ceremonies around imaginary suffering/anti-white atrocity propaganda

- promotes their liberalism - not just spiritual equality, but full political equality for morbid sex deviants. promotes destructive invasion of white lands by non-whites because that's the "love" thing to do, and since race is a matter of no more than customary importance, Europe should throw open her borders.

The only real thing of value in traditional catholicism, which not peculiar to the religion, is white-normal sexual mores. This legacy serves to help whites resist the sexualization of culture. That is why jews are so hostile to catholicism. Also, to the extent jebus exists in people's minds, and occupies a full day on the calendar, jews hate him. Not because he's even anti-them, but because there's one day where jews and their lies and concerns aren't front and center!

There's no getting around it: the things we whites want, just normal whites, are only possible in a Consciously White Culture. The basis of our culture is our whiteness, not our religion or region. The catholic church is majority non-white, and will only become more so over time, with China being the top christian country, in pure numbers, by 2030.
 
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Competition is the only regulation that works. You "commies" need to realize that.
There is no competition without rules and regulations. Furthermore, a team can't compete against others without collaboration and cooperation among themselves. Libertardians are sooo libtarded.
 
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There is no competition without rules and regulations. Furthermore, a team can't compete against others without collaboration and cooperation among themselves. Libertardians are sooo libtarded.
Sure there is. You're counting laws against rape and murder as regulation. There's competition in all areas of life at all time, legal or illegal. Paying a bunch of bureacrats, white or jew, to provide illusory safety is a bad arrangement.
 
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More on Tuesday, will pick up next section of Oliver and next chapter of Day.
 
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Sure there is. You're counting laws against rape and murder as regulation. There's competition in all areas of life at all time, legal or illegal. Paying a bunch of bureacrats, white or jew, to provide illusory safety is a bad arrangement.
The state in corporatist/"right wing socialist" state functions as a referee.

I'd say Nationalsocialism=boxing (thanks to rules and referees) , liberalism=a street fight. In boxing, you can get roughed up worse than in a street fight, but at least you don't have to worry about 5 scumbags attacking 1, or someone pulling out a knife when they lose, or weight classes, or being caught unprepared, etc.

Yeah there's a chance a ref will blow a call or do something corrupt, but that doesn't take away the issues with the latter.

The 19th century Anglos who invented liberalism, educated and aided by Jews, had rules for the 5 different types of spoons on the dinner table, yet none for their national economy.
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Closeness and fraternity between men is an important factor in the fight. Bonding over hunting or political struggle, whatever it may be, is a very fulfilling experience that has no equals. Yet, most white males only have 1 friend: their wife, and that's by Jewish design. Building fraternal ties that lead men to be willing to sacrifice and fight for a comrade is the basic building block to all successful political movements.
That's why the Germanic warrior tribes threw fags into bogs. Fraternal association is impossible when faggotry is permitted. It had to be eradicated as a matter of principle.
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Isn't it odd that Jones praises Iran, an Islamic nation, for standing outside the jewish world order, but elsewhere blasts Germany, a traditionally Christian nation with a large Christian population, for doing essentially the same thing in the 1930s and 1940s?

His position seems to be that non-Whites should have a free hand in fighting the jew, but Whites are morally permitted to fight the jew only if they are Catholic.

If that's really his position, then he wants to tie the hands of Whites -- and no one else -- with his religion, before he will sanction our fighting the jew.

It would seem to be yet another demonstration that Christianity is objectively anti-White.

Dear E Mike: why do you give muzzies a pass, while demanding that we first join your church and tithe?
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These are great. Like Radio Istina but with more focus. Day's book is a find, never heard of it before.
 
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These are great. Like Radio Istina but with more focus. Day's book is a find, never heard of it before.
Thanks, Sam. The book really does give a good focus and structure, then I can freewheel off it.
 
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Revilo Oliver's The Jewish Strategy, chapters THREE AND FOUR

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It seems like Oliver gets overly academical in chapter three. Who gives a shit about Greek translations?

Then again, he didn't propose to compile these articles into a book.

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Day: chapter TEN: "Russia"

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It seems like Oliver gets overly academical in chapter three. Who gives a shit about Greek translations?

Then again, he didn't propose to compile these articles into a book.
He's showing how jews were acting the same way 2k years ago as they do today. Whining, causing disruptions, special pleading... And also how they lie about their gods and conceal their own dubious origins.
 
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It seems like Oliver gets overly academical in chapter three. Who gives a shit about Greek translations?

Then again, he didn't propose to compile these articles into a book.
That's why despite being very important and compelling, Oliver's writings are not as well known as they should be. But then again, you have to consider, he's writing for a highly educated and intellectual audience, and he's a little dry like academics tend to be. Reading his stuff is like listening to opera, it's a taste you have to acquire, and that's when you start appreciating the challenging nature of his work.

I think personally there's a terrible shortage of academic work from the nationalist perspective that is on par with Kevin MacDonald and Revilo Oliver, this is thanks mostly to Jews banning whites who don't tow the line from academia. What needs to happen is we need people like Oliver to write, and other people to translate and simplify the ideas without sacrificing too much of their complexity, and yet another sector dedicated to turning this into effective propaganda. That's why the readings are good and Linder should comment on them more (without his libertarian ideological impositions ).

Whenever a cultural Marxist argues his ridiculous points, he has a plethora of fake research to tap into to back him up. Meanwhile, our side because of the way the system is designed, have only layman reality. But you'd be surprised at how much white people defer to men who use big words, especially whites who are smarter than the rest (which we need more of), so this barrier is something we have to break through to appeal to a good mix of people.

My suggestion: put a clothespin on your nose and trek through Oliver (same goes for Spengler), its more intellectually satisfying than first meets the eye.
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He's showing how jews were acting the same way 2k years ago as they do today. Whining, causing disruptions, special pleading... And also how they lie about their gods and conceal their own dubious origins.
Yep. Nero and Caligula are lied about as much as Hitler, even with archeologists now unearthing that they were some of the most popular emperors in Rome's history. And that's all thanks to Philo and Josephus, and later Jew-ignorant gentiles who assumed their historical works were in good faith and thus authorative sources. What a "coincidence" that both leaders were instrumental in recognizing and combating classical Jewry. "Anti-Semitism" is not a Christian phenomenon as Jews claim, even people with no prejudices or direct reason to hate them (Romans ruled the entire known world and its many different peoples) end up despising them.
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He's showing how jews were acting the same way 2k years ago as they do today. Whining, causing disruptions, special pleading... And also how they lie about their gods and conceal their own dubious origins.
I understand that, and get the point, but he is overly formal in my opinion. He doesn't need to tell us that he doesn't know of another translation of the text in question and stuff like that. Just do it, and present it. You're a freakin' professor.
 
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