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"Holocaust"/"Nazi" guilt cult and indoctrination in Germany
This girl was indoctrinated atleast 3 times over, and was then sent to Auschwitz.
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Answer by Rebecca Kaßner, German, who wonders a lot about Germany and her fellow Germans:
I will make this one a little more personal because I understood the question to be aimed in that way. I was born in 1985, so it was the generation of my grandparents and great-grandparents who were alive during World War II. I think for me, there were roughly three stages of realization.
Knowing there was some war in the not too distant past: I knew that my grandfather had been involved in a war, but that was something very distant for me. He only told the story how he had to ride a horse but was afraid of horses. The whole idea of war was not something I could understand at that time. But it was also clear from movies and stuff that Germany lost the war and that something horrible happened back then.
Learning about World War II and the Holocaust at school: Overall, I think we learned about this time period at least three times. The first time the Holocaust came up in detail was in grade three or four, at the age of 9 or 10. The whole topic had a weird fascination for me because it made sense of a lot of small things in German culture, and finally we learned all about it. At the same time, I was horrified. I couldn't imagine how people could believe these screwed-up ideas and do such horrible things in the name of these ideas. But it was a horror like I have for the witch trials and stuff like that. I didn't make the connection between the war my grandfather fought and World War II. Later, we went to the Dachau Concentration Camp (as most schools around Munich do), and it was interesting and informative but not really disturbing. In Germany, the whole idea of "your own people" is not encouraged, and there is not a big feeling of unity (except if it's about football/soccer). This anonymous answer tells you more about that.
Visiting Auschwitz: When I was 16, I participated in a student exchange with a Polish school, and we went to Poland for two weeks. In general, we had a great time, and the people were lovely. But of course, as a German when you are in Poland, you have to visit Auschwitz. This name stands for everything that happened, and the gate with its infamous writing is known everywhere. We came there as a mixed German-Polish group, and were separated so everybody could have a tour in their native language. So we were only 15 German teenagers, and that made it pretty intense. For me, it was the first time that I really understood the full monstrosity of the Holocaust, not only intellectually but also emotionally—and made the connection to my own family. If you have never been to Auschwitz, this is what you see there.*
And when I saw these things that were taken from the prisoners (there is also one room just filled with hair), all the pieces came together in my mind, and I realized the first time on an emotional basis the whole horror. And I think I was not the only one. I found the toughest guy in our group, who would normally never show feelings, standing in front of a display cabinet with baby shoes crying. When the tour ended, we didn't know how to look our Polish friends in the eyes again, because I think most of us felt unbelievably guilty as it was "our" grandparents who did that to "their" grandparents (together with many, many other innocent people). I remember us even talking about the fact that we were insecure on how to deal with that. Luckily, our Polish friends were pretty cool: When they saw us again after their tour and saw that we were all shocked and some still crying, they came up to us and told us that we shouldn't be ashamed at all and that we are not responsible for the deeds of our ancestors. It took me a few years to get to the point where I could really feel that way, but I got there.
And that is how I feel today about it. The Holocaust was horrible, and I think as a country, we have the responsibility not to forget about it and also to do what we can to let something like that never happen again.
But personally I think I am not different from any other person on this planet: able to do the best and the worst. And it is my own responsibility what I make of that; for that, it doesn't matter what my grandfather has or has not done. Of course it would be nice to have ancestors I could be simply proud of, but in the end, who can? Every country has dark spots in history; ours just happen to be huge and pretty recent.
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http://www.slate.com/blogs/quora/201...holocaust.html
http://www.quora.com/Germany/What-is...aust-in-school
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Germans, for the most part, are confronted with WWII at an early age (in primary school) with the very clear message that the crimes committed by the Nazi regime were the worst in history and that it is duty of every German to never allow these crimes to be repeated.
This continues throughout the entire schooling process and is reinforced by frequent media programs.
The main focus in Germany when talking about WWII is the Holocaust. The crimes of the Holocaust are always shown in the very stark terms and there is no element of justification or attempts to diminish these atrocities.
There is an absolute cultural consensus (i.e. a consensus among the elites of the political, media and education spheres) that Nazi Germany always be portrayed as the, for lack of a better descriptor, "bad guy" of WWII ("villain" would not quite fit as the main Nazi actors, e.g. Hitler, Goebbels, Göring, etc, are always portrayed as rather pathetic figures - certainly evil and brutal, but also deluded, somewhat dim, petty and insecure).
Up until very recently, this consensus also called for the portrayal of the allies as absolute "good guys".
In the past decade or so, this part of the consensus has weakened with an open media discussion (sparked by a number of books on the topic) whether or not the mass bombings of German cities was justified.
The Wehrmacht (German army in WWII) is, for the most part, strangely absent from discussions about WWII (appearing only as numbers) and largely exempt from moral judgement.
In very recent times there has even been very occasional media calls to acknowledge individual Wehrmacht soldiers as "heroic" soldiers (being completely unaffiliated with the Nazi party is however still a requirement). This is however not a popular trend.
One (in my opinion very troubling) aspect of the German consensus on WWII is that the war with Russia is largely glossed over. The incredible atrocities committed by the German army against the Slavic people are largely ignored.
The change of recent years has even led to some media figures condemning the Red Army for mass rapes during the fall of Germany (On the other hand, I have never heard anyone mention the most certainly vastly larger amount of rapes committed by the Wehrmacht).
All of this tends to be true for both non-scientific history books and popular media and this consensus informs how many Germans feel about WWII.
However, there is a significant group of Germans (especially older Germans) who have a much more positive view of the Nazi regime and its goals during WWII. These Germans usually are happy to condemn Hitler, the Holocaust and the war against the Allies, but think fondly of the technological, cultural and military "strength" Nazi rule brought to Germany. They see it as unfortunate that Germany was unable to conquer Russia.
These views however are almost never voiced in anything but the most private of settings [but I personally have heard such ideas expressed on multiple occasions].
It is important to note that the consensus of condemnation is backed up by legal repercussions. Any display of Nazi symbols, denial of Nazi crimes or propagation of Nazi ideas can be (and usually is) persecuted. Severe cases can result imprisonment.
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http://www.quora.com/Germany/How-do-...-the-Nazi-past
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