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Old October 11th, 2014 #1
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[probably will make this a new forum, and pull some good threads in. infighting, conducted correctly (within limits i describe in my essay posted in various sticky threads) is useful, is good, is necessary. here i respond to something brad griffin said]

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As an ethnonationalist, I consider my field of activities limited to my own country, Dixie. Beyond that, I sympathize with the plight of Whites abroad, especially in southern Africa, but it is incumbent upon, say, Hungarians to bail Hungary out of the ditch of liberal democracy.

As I see it, the problem with the “Imperium Europa” idea is that it a species of universalism that causes White Nationalists to dissipate their energies over an enormous geographic area. Beyond sympathizing with our counterparts abroad, there’s nothing much we can do about their situation. The best thing we can do to help them is focusing on getting marginally more powerful and organized in our own countries.
The problem with this seemingly reasonable statement (apart from Griffin's not believing it or anything, as he is a coreless sophist) is that it's not about what you think is wise, it's about the nature of the enemy. Of course, the conservative coward's approach is that our race doesn't have enemies. So we needn't take them into account. We just blithely play the democratic voting game, try to get better at it. La di da. This produces the same nugatory result is always has.

Our enemy is the international jew and, to use modern parlance, international jew is international. For instance, the ADL whistles, and Greek minister Samaras comes running to a dinner in NYC, where he reassures Big Kike he's doing all he can to jail and suppress Golden Dawn. "Yessuh, Mr. Jew Boss man, I will indeed turn Greece into Pakistan per your noble jewly orders, jes' takes a little more time, suh." In Greece. Thousands of miles away. A small Mediterranean nation with some beaches and maybe 5,000 jews. Over the next year, Golden Dawn's 18 MPs are jailed, most of them. A new anti-free speech bill is passed. It is announced that ADL will be formally brainwashing cops and supplying 'educational' propaganda materials for Greek schools.

Now you want to tell me you can just ignore all this and focus on your country? No. It doesn't work like that. The battle is global. Regardless of what you like or prefer. Whites simply must network with racially aware whites wherever they find them, and all over the globe. That's the only approach that makes sense. Whites, for instance, can use this forum to speak freely about what's going on in the 90% of the white world in which free speech is literally illegal. That's just one way whites can and must help brother whites around the globe. Circumstances change. It is not 1940, it is 2014. Some things are the same, that is true, but some things have changed. The height of white sanity is turning the new technologies and social media to white advantage, and this a global thing.

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Old October 11th, 2014 #2
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Beefs: This Is The WN Movement

Posted on October 9, 2014 by Hunter Wallace

Get your popcorn.

Check out this partial list of ongoing current beefs:

Greg Johnson vs. Daily Stormer

Greg Johnson vs. Richard Spencer

Alternative Right vs. Daily Stormer

Alex Linder vs. Jared Taylor

Alex Linder vs. Greg Johnson

Ramzpaul vs. Robert Ransdell

Daily Stormer vs. Ramzpaul

Greg Johnson vs. Matt Parrott

Bob Whitaker vs. Stormfront

Alex Linder vs. Bob Whitaker

Sebastian Ronin vs. Countless People (who the fuck is Ronin?)

My Picks For Most Intense Beef

Hadding vs. Harold Covington

Will Williams vs. Harold Covington

Axis Sally vs. Harold Covington

http://www.occidentaldissent.com/201...e-wn-movement/
 
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Greg Johnson critiquing Anglin and Daily Stormer, response from Mr. Anglin also included:

http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=212629

Greg Johnson, short comment on Anglin's article:

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OK, I read Anglin’s response. It was not so bad. It might explain the recent spike in sales of The Homo and the Negro, though I hope not.

His big error is asserting that Jewish power rests on the Holocaust, hence revisionism and going full Nazi.

I dealt with that view quite adequately in “Dealing with the Holocaust,http://www.counter-currents.com/2014...the-holocaust/
http://www.counter-currents.com/2014...#comment-56321

No, you didn't. You got gangbanged (sweet dreams eh...) in this thread on that particular subject:

http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=144074

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Old October 11th, 2014 #4
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Greg Johnson critiquing Anglin and Daily Stormer, response from Mr. Anglin also included:

http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=212629

Greg Johnson, short comment on Anglin's article:



http://www.counter-currents.com/2014...#comment-56321

No, you didn't. You got gangbanged (sweet dreams eh...) in this thread on that particular subject:

http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=144074
Johnson has grown mealy mouthed. He thinks he's being clever, but unprincipled and disloyal is closer to the truth. Johnson suppresses anyone trying to leave critical comments at his site while he runs around the net making excuses for himself and claiming he's winning arguments.

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Old October 11th, 2014 #5
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Johnson is building a reputation for being mealy mouthed. He thinks he's being clever, but he's merely being unprincipled and disloyal is closer to the truth. Notice too that Johnson suppresses anyone trying to leave critical comments at his side while he runs around the net making excuses for himself and claiming he's winning arguments.
I started noticing that during this whole Ukraine-thing. He simply rejected all critical comments as "Kremlin-propaganda", and insinuated people were being paid trolls and the like.

Pathetic. Same thing happened in Sweden btw. I am very skeptical of these people.
 
Old October 11th, 2014 #6
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I started noticing that during this whole Ukraine-thing. He simply rejected all critical comments as "Kremlin-propaganda", and insinuated people were being paid trolls and the like.

Pathetic. Same thing happened in Sweden btw. I am very skeptical of these people.
i read something once about homosexuals that i think applies to johnson. i forget where i read it, but it said that the average homosexual's great dream is to host a rich dinner party with lavish accoutrements and educated, stylish guests. johnson, as one sees in disputing with him, is concerned with mattering, himself, personally. being part of whatever club he sees as dominant. this is mainly KM and the Vdare crowd, and the AmRen crowd too. These are where the money and professional heft are, even if they're not really racialists, in most cases. He wants to circulate among and be well thought of by this set, and doesn't give it any more thought than that. He has achieved his goal, and he feels good about it. That he has jettisoned valid principles and necessary political loyalties doesn't concern him.
 
Old October 11th, 2014 #7
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Greg Johnson vs. Richard Spencer
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There is an ethical void at the heart of NPI. Spencer had a reputation for being dishonest and exploitative, but I basically ignored it because (1) I like to make up my own mind about people, and (2) I think he is intelligent and likable. But he falsely accused me of spreading false information so he could manipulate and exploit people for his own selfish ends.

Well, I canít say I wasnít warned. And now you canít say so either.
After Spencer closed the Alternative Right blog Johnson was on a podcast with him helping make excuses for that betrayal.

Once a backstabber, always a backstabber.
 
Old October 11th, 2014 #8
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After Spencer closed the Alternative Right blog Johnson was on a podcast with him helping make excuses for that betrayal.

Once a backstabber, always a backstabber.
Yeah, funny that. The only unusual thing about Johnson's latest breast-beating i-should-have-known-better is he didn't call Spencer narcissistic. As he has every other person he's fallen out with. But he probably has and I missed it or he will.

There's no fidelity - to people or to principles.

"Lew" got it right - once again, the solid VNN principle of rejecting those who exculpate jews proves its validity as a white-protecting principle

Either you're openly pro-white and anti-jew, or you're not one of us.

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Old October 11th, 2014 #9
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Brad: can you run this version rather than the above? I want to correct an overstatement.

DD: What happened between me and Spencer is right out on the surface: I stated publicly the reasons why I thought it too risky to attend the NPI conference in Budapest, revealing facts that Spencer had not yet revealed.

His response was to lie and say that my facts were wrong and I was passing speculation off as fact. His clear intention had been to keep people in the dark about the dangers he was putting them in, so they would continue going to Budapest. By casting doubt on my veracity, he wanted to continue bamboozling people into attending.

I now know of two others besides Richard Spencer and Bill Regnery who were arrested and deported from Hungary and have been banned from the Schengen zone for three years.

Their only connection to the conference was to register at the Novotel. Also, apparently they were arrested because they were already banned from the Schengen zone.

That means that the Hungarian government took a list of conference attendees and entered them in the Schengen Information System, which means that whoever is on that list can be arrested and expelled for trying to enter any Schengen countries (basically, all of Western Europe except Ireland and the UK — although they too have access to the ban list, apparently).

Of course only people from outside the Schengen zone can be banned in such a way. That applies mostly to Americans and Canadians, but there were probably other non-Schengen zone citizens registered as well.

This means that people could continue to be arrested for the next three years because of NPI as they try to enter the Schengen zone, perhaps on a business trip or a family vacation.

They know this at NPI. They knew it before I did. Don’t you think that NPI should have leveled with people who registered about this uncomfortable fact by now?

Again: anyone who registered at the Budapest Novotel or who is otherwise known to have been attending the NPI conference, and who is not a citizen of a Schengen zone country, could already have been banned from the Schengen zone for the next three years and could be arrested and deported for trying to enter any such country during that period.

There is an ethical void at the heart of NPI. Spencer had a reputation for being dishonest and exploitative, but I basically ignored it because (1) I like to make up my own mind about people, and (2) I think he is intelligent and likable. But he falsely accused me of spreading false information so he could manipulate and exploit people for his own selfish ends.

Well, I can’t say I wasn’t warned. And now you can’t say so either.
Everybody fails Greggy. Then piously he lifts his eyes heavenward, shakes his head nobly and sadly, and earnestly swears to soldier on and do better next time. So sodo-jesusy.

Spencer is simply a nebbish. I think of him as a Strom lite. Less brains, less character, even.

Again I ask, please ignore the man saying this and consider the point: where has mixing with conservatism gotten white nationalism?

Why not attack it as another enemy, and thereby create something original and unique in American politics? Something brave that average Americans can get behind?
 
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Yeah, funny that. The only unusual thing about Johnson's latest breast-beating i-should-have-known-better is he didn't call Spencer narcissistic. As he has every other person he's fallen out with. But he probably has and I missed it or he will.

There's no fidelity - to people or to principles.

"Lew" got it right - once again, the solid VNN principle of rejecting those who exculpate jews proves its validity as a white-protecting principle

Either you're openly pro-white and anti-jew, or you're not one of us.
This has a real Animal House feel, with Johnson as Flounder.

Johnson (weeping): The conference! Ruined!

Spencer: You fucked up, you trusted me!

My impression was Spencer shut down Alt-Right for the same reason the "Southern Avenger" renounced all his old radio shows, but instead of doing a 180 degree turn to the antifas like that idiot Spencer's trying to straddle the fence, no problem if you have no balls.
 
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Alex Linder: "The thing I can't stand about the half-arguments of the likes of Liddell and Johnson is that they, like all conservatives, ..."

They are not traditional phony conservatives. But the problem with them is that they won't stick to a consistent position. Sometimes they seem to be deliberately talking nonsense for the heck of it, simply to spite their fellow White Nationalists. For example, they will affect to believe that Jewish nonsensical theories have had as much of an impact as the takeover of the academy, press, law schools and political parties by Jews. Actually, Jewish nonsense is only useful as a way to fill up the space and silence White people.

Last week, Johnson and Liddell had a lot of fun calling Anglin a retard. But it is difficult to draw any conclusion from that. Greg Johnson has made clear his admiration for Hitler in a number of articles. And he has published Irmin Vinson's essays. I think the disagreement is mostly over style: Johnson and Liddell think that hurling juvenile insults at fellow White Nationalists gives them an aura of seriousness.

In his latest article about "vantardism", Liddell even started talking like Anglin:

Liddell: "This negative linkage is, in essence, no different from that used by Leftists as they attempt to demonize any ethnonationalist stirring as the first step towards Hitler and six million lampshades."

I like the Daily Stormer's reports from the holohoax memorial in Berlin, and from Anne Frank's house in Amsterdam. It has educational value. You can see the actual picture of Anne Frank made into a lampshade, with the caption: "Anne Frank died of typhus after the allies bombed the supply lines. Following this, she was made into a lampshade or whatever lol." It reminded me of Ramzpaul's Easy Bake Anne video.

That kind of article quickly makes people realize they are played for fools by the Jews. After that, they are ready to listen to Eric Hunt. Then they start seeing the problem of being ruled by hostile Jewish "elites" who push for race-replacement.
 
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Yeah, funny that. The only unusual thing about Johnson's latest breast-beating i-should-have-known-better is he didn't call Spencer narcissistic. As he has every other person he's fallen out with. But he probably has and I missed it or he will.

There's no fidelity - to people or to principles.

"Lew" got it right - once again, the solid VNN principle of rejecting those who exculpate jews proves its validity as a white-protecting principle

Either you're openly pro-white and anti-jew, or you're not one of us.
I agree with that.

Jared Taylor has been a useful fellow. He's researched, compiled, and published accurate statistics on such things as the differences between whites, blacks, and Hispanics on such things as crime perpetration, IQ, and welfare mooching. But he won't deal with Jewish Questions. He isn't willing to devote to the ways in which the Jews have had a bad influence on Western culture, or have done harm to American society, as much effort as he has spent on (e.g.) racial differences in crime rates.

In principle, it's the same sort of research and analysis. But Jared Taylor obdurately won't go that way. So "why not?" becomes an interesting question.

I don't recall the title or author of the video, but I remember watching it on Youtube, where Jared Taylor called an abrupt end to a post-lecture question-and-answer session the moment David Duke got to the microphone to ask his question. Although he announced "we're out of time" (or something of the kind), it seemed more likely that he was preventing Duke from saying whatever it was he had stood up to say.

On the other hand, I don't think that Jared Taylor is opposed to us, or that he entertains the duplicitous fiction that all antisemitism is baseless or false. His refusal to acknowledge explicitly that much antisemitism is true, and importantly so, might arise from financial considerations.

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I like your articles on National Vanguard, "Jerry Abbott"; that is, if you're the one that writes under the name "David Sims".

 
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I'll add a couple to the list not that I'm a gossip.

Mike Delaney (Prothink, Trutube) VS Ramzpaul

Apparently Delaney visited Ramzpaul and Ramzpaul shut the door on his face and called the cops lol after Ramzpaul filled a lawsuit against Trutube or some shit. Heard it in a podcast.
Link to podcast:

http://www.dailystormer.com/prothink...hite-movement/

Really shitty move from Ramzpaul, whom, instead of taking contact and asking Delaney to take down the video, decided to immediately file a lawsuit.

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Andrew Anglin Vs Scott Roberts (pretty sure they had some bust up).
Not sure what all that was about, but here you can read Anglin's "final response":

http://www.totalfascism.com/final-sc...erts-response/

I believe it had something to do with people like John Friend and some others, who engages in theories like that 911 was a hologram and shit. Can't remember the details.

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Sebastian Ronin vs. Countless People (who the fuck is Ronin?)

My Picks For Most Intense Beef

Hadding vs. Harold Covington

Will Williams vs. Harold Covington

Axis Sally vs. Harold Covington

http://www.occidentaldissent.com/201...e-wn-movement/
Ronin is an Austrian (I think) now in Canada, pushing some kind of international leftist-NS virtual grouplet mainly on Facebook, last I saw. I have argued with him. He has an attractive sprightliness, and grasps some things about politics that conservatives and conservative-minded WN do not, but I don't agree with his anti-corporate/environmental millenialism. Not a bad guy, from little I know, I just think he's wrong. He's very disputatious too, in that way he's like, uh, me.
 
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Ronin is an Austrian now in Canada, pushing some kind of international leftist-NS virtual grouplet mainly on Facebook, last I saw. I have argued with him. He has an attractive sprightliness, and grasps some things about politics that conservatives and conservative-minded WN do not, but I don't agree with his anti-corporate millenialism. Not a bad guy, from little I know, I just think he's wrong. He's very disputatious too, in that way he's like, uh, me.
Thanks. Never heard of him before.

He comments on the Budapest-debacle:


Seems eccentric.
 
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one one side of this political grand canyon there's racialism. on the other side conservatism. in the middle is alt-right.

cleverness aint clever, boys. but ever and anon they'll think it is.

to switch metaphors, dont try to 3/4 the north wind, it'll only blow you over. face it directly, march straight thru it, with all the difficulty and pain that entails. the way that seems the hardest is actually the easiest. is actually the only way that works.
 
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I like your articles on National Vanguard, "Jerry Abbott"; that is, if you're the one that writes under the name "David Sims".
Thanks. Yes, that's me. [The NA recently] filed a Digital Millennium Copyright Act complaint with Google, accusing me of violating their copyright on Which Way Western Man. According to a source within the NA, these DMCA complaints were automated. The NA didn't know that I was the one hosting the book.

[I removed some previous text in this post, wherein I complained about being complained about.]

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https://forum.therightstuff.biz/topi...ng/997?page=50

anglin, parrott, azzmador, weev, ricky vaughn, brad griffin... pretty interesting
 
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I mean, you have people like "Ricky Vaughn" advocating the long march through the institutions as an actual plan. This in a day when a female elementary school teacher with a pro-white podcast makes national news. The word delusional barely covers it.
The Twinky Vaughn's of the world who propose this as a way forward are either idiots or not honest with their intentions. They never acknowledge that the leftists who took the 'long march' always had the media and most of the financial power on their side (jews). The Jews wanted to promote leftism in order to tear down the standards and moral of the White world and thus through media and financial support helped leftists in academia and other areas.

Whites who want to turn the tide through the 'long march' has no support whatsoever in that regard. How hard is it to understand? This isn't about writing the most brilliant essay you can come up with. That's been done. Everything's been written and said. The time to organize and act is here.
 
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