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Old August 31st, 2011 #2221
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Donald Pauly wrote: "My involvement with this thread is an attempt to save his life after his lawyers have destined him to life imprisonment..."
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What I don't understand is why such heroic posturing alternating with insulting forum members and Mr. Steele himself on this site is necessary to "saving Edgar Steele's life..." Again, what's the grand strategy that is going to turn this around and why does it necessarily involve posting here?
Mr. Pauly also wrote that "-JC has me confused. Steele previously has advocated that defendants take the stand themselves in cases like this. This scum bag thieving cop took the stand in his own defense and beat two out of four extortion charges. What is wrong with that?"

First of all, it is absurd metaphysically for Mr. Pauly to blame his confusion on me. Secondly, it is a standard posture for lawyers to submit to the counsel of their attorneys and Mr. Steele was probably advised not to take the stand-- to "have nothing to say." Not too difficult to understand but it is another apparent inconsistency-- another nit to pick. And undoubtedly the prosecution strategy included allowing the "officer of the court" defense attorney to make the anticipated call as to whether to enter an insanity defense and then run with it.

Typically indictments include everything except ogling and attempting to gawk and it is hoped that the court is satisfied that the perpetrator committed all elements of at least a sufficient number of them to justify the prosecution if not to extort a plea bargain. It appears that the FBI did typically good work taking down a corrupt policeman and I'm sure they were pleased with the outcome.

Mr. Pauly reminds me of children who suffer (and cause others to suffer) from their always wanting others to watch what they're doing: "Look at me!"

(I get it, Don: You call people names you believe others will think are cute and maintain that Ed Steele was temporarily insane, is a liar, and lacks integrity but don't think need to read every post, the greatest percentage from you, on 112+ pages, to make certain I've heard each specific allegation.)

Mr. Pauly needs to get on with saving Mr. Steele's life by getting his "head examined" and spare us the moralizing. I'm sure there is a time limit barring bringing such issues in something akin to a 28 U.S.C. § 2255 Motion to Set Aside, Reduce or Vacate Sentence.

I'm not interested in engaging Mr. Pauly over his repeated complaints that I've posted something that he posted first: As explained before, I don't see Mr. Pauly's posts because I have him on "ignore," which seems not to bother anyone else, but obviously infuriates him: Something like "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned."

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Old August 31st, 2011 #2222
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Here Steele gives us another lesson on how to deal with prominent White Nationalists when they are arrested for serious crimes. His comments are from an old VNN Forum post on the arrest of Kevin Strom for child pornography. He rejects the possibility that the ADL framed Strom. First full disclosure. I know very little of the facts of the Strom arrest. I take no position on it and his conviction. I have sent this post to Strom but not consulted him on it.

A sole ADL operative could have gotten in Strom's house and loaded 1,000 child pornography images on a secret directory on his hard drive in 30 minutes time. Strom would have never known that those images were there. This can happen to anyone who owns a computer. This would have been a thousand times easier to do than for the ADL to make two 30 minute recordings to incriminate Steele. Steele recommends that Strom shoot himself and offered to loan him a handgun to do so. False accusations of child abuse in the middle of a divorce such as Strom was going thru are the rule not the exception. Steele seems to have a "hang'em high" attitude when dealing with someone who has been accused of child pornography.

It seems to me that being accused of trying to have your wife blown up with a pipe bomb is far more serious than having a hard drive full of kiddy porn. I say that you should carefully analyze the facts of each case and come to the truth. That is exactly what I did in Steele's case. Steele failed to show the same courtesy to his fellow White Nationalist Strom.

Strom was a major player in White Nationalism and Steele was a bit player. Strom had been at it for at least 20 years and Steele only for three years or so. Strom's ex-wife was shortly shown to be a nutcase and a police character. What little that I learned of Strom's trial indicated to me that he had an incompetent lawyer.

I have shown Steele a hundred times the courtesy here that he showed to Strom. As far as I am concerned, Strom has every right to turn on Steele but he has instead supported him just like one of his cheerleaders or his wife. I too support Steele. I want to see him out of jail and for him to get the medical help that he needs. The lawyers around him need to be locked up in his old cell.

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I was willing to give Strom the benefit of the doubt, but his ever-lengthening silence gives rise to an inference that the charges leveled against him are true. My only real issue now is: did he ever actually touch an underage child? If so, he should do the honorable thing and borrow a pistol from of the jail guards. In fact, if so, then I will raise his bail provided he promises, immediately upon his release, to use one that I would be willing to loan him.

If Strom merely downloaded kiddie porn, then he still committed a crime in my opinion, but should be given only a suspended sentence so that he can be properly branded a sexual predator and be forced to get lengthy counseling.

As for Elisha being lauded for having outed Strom, I disagree. I want to know why the hell she never warned the rest of us when first she found out. I don't care about his being her husband. He occupied a position of trust and thereby was afforded access to at least some Movement children and she presumed to be a vocal member of this same Movement. One hell of a role model couple, folks.

As before, I advocate the death penalty for even a single instance of child molestation by anybody. Touch my child and I hope the authorities never find out about it....for obvious reasons. After all, I know just how useless the justice system is ... unless one of us gets caught up in it, of course.

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Old August 31st, 2011 #2223
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Old August 31st, 2011 #2224
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Here Steele gives us another lesson on how to deal with prominent White Nationalists when they are arrested for serious crimes. His comments are from an old VNN Forum post on the arrest of Kevin Strom for child pornography. He rejects the possibility that the ADL framed Strom. First full disclosure. I know very little of the facts of the Strom arrest. I take no position on it and his conviction. I have sent this post to Strom but not consulted him on it.

A sole ADL operative could have gotten in Strom's house and loaded 1,000 child pornography images on a secret directory on his hard drive in 30 minutes time. Strom would have never known that those images were there. This can happen to anyone who owns a computer. This would have been a thousand times easier to do than for the ADL to make two 30 minute recordings to incriminate Steele. Steele recommends that Strom shoot himself and offered to loan him a handgun to do so. False accusations of child abuse in the middle of a divorce such as Strom was going thru are the rule not the exception. Steele seems to have a "hang'em high" attitude when dealing with someone who has been accused of child pornography.

It seems to me that being accused of trying to have your wife blown up with a pipe bomb is far more serious than having a hard drive full of kiddy porn. I say that you should carefully analyze the facts of each case and come to the truth. That is exactly what I did in Steele's case. Steele failed to show the same courtesy to his fellow White Nationalist Strom.

Strom was a major player in White Nationalism and Steele was a bit player. Strom had been at it for at least 20 years and Steele only for three years or so. Strom's ex-wife was shortly shown to be a nutcase and a police character. What little that I learned of Strom's trial indicated to me that he had an incompetent lawyer.

I have shown Steele a hundred times the courtesy here that he showed to Strom. As far as I am concerned, Strom has every right to turn on Steele but he has instead supported him just like one of his cheerleaders or his wife. I too support Steele. I want to see him out of jail and for him to get the medical help that he needs. The lawyers around him need to be locked up in his old cell.

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Old August 31st, 2011 #2225
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Draw your own conclusions but I didn't have the benefit of being in the courtroom for either Mr. Strom's or Mr. Steele's hearings and reading a transcript is not the same thing.

And an accusation is not the same thing as having actually done something. As difficult as this is for some people to grasp, even a conviction does not equal actually having done something or there would be no innocent people locked up or subsequently released on appeal.

Deciding someone's guilt or innocence appears safest in most instances when done by the agreement of every member of a jury present to experience as much as possible from a witnesses presentation including their demeanor, sometimes to actually handle physical evidence, etc. In other instances, such as those when the accused chooses not to testify and counsel believes that may prejudice a jury, it may be safer to opt for a court trial where a judge makes the call instead of a jury.

For those of us who were not there, I submit that it may be best to regard Mr. Steele as someone convicted of crimes but we have no direct knowledge of what actually happened. And if there is anything offensive in this thread it is the lack of courtesy shown to fellow White nationalists. And I don't agree that it is anyone's "right" to "turn on" (Strong's Greek #4762 στρεφω strepho (pronounced stref’-o)) a fellow just because he fails to demonstrate the respect one believes one deserves. And in this sense I think Mr. Strom has demonstrated remarkable strength of character and shown us where his own priorities lie.

The defense against possession of anything, of course, i.e., images on one's hard drive, includes that anyone with access to one's territory could have planted such things among one's goods. Effective prosecution is convincing others that the accused is indeed responsible without a doubt.

It is important to know what you don't know. Unfortunately juries tend to be carried away by emotion and despite careful selection are rank & file human beings and are subject to manipulations which are the specialty of trial lawyers and other propagandists including the mass media. I think we ought to be able to do better when we've known at least what we seen published by fellow White nationalists and owe them at least the presumption of innocence if possible.

Suggesting that a "fellow White nationalist" was insane, that he conspired to murder his wife, and that others owe him not even the courtesy of keeping such discussion in executive session, so to speak, is as unseemly as any dirty laundry I can conceive of us airing. I don't think anyone including Ed Steele has suggested that any of us is perfect. He has demonstrated his prejudices and therefore his humanity. Furthermore, I don't think it demonstrates the wonderfulness of what is undoubtedly assumed by at least some readers to be White nationalist character to want to shove something Ed Steele wrote back down his throat at such a time as Mr. Steele is rotting in prison. My opinion is that this should have been a private discussion by those with the resources and commitment to mount a campaign to support Mr. Steele with such a petition bouyed-up by experts, if that is what Mr. Steele and counsel desire.

And it answers my pending question as to what is being accomplished by this stream of propaganda. This really has been a hateful thread and it should change in a positive direction or end.

Originally Posted by Donald E. Pauly

... It seems to me that being accused of trying to have your wife blown up with a pipe bomb is far more serious than having a hard drive full of kiddy porn. I say that you should carefully analyze the facts of each case and come to the truth. That is exactly what I did in Steele's case. Steele failed to show the same courtesy to his fellow White Nationalist Strom...

I have shown Steele a hundred times the courtesy here that he showed to Strom. As far as I am concerned, Strom has every right to turn on Steele but he has instead supported him just like one of his cheerleaders or his wife... "

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Old September 1st, 2011 #2226
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Don why do you want to hang Steele? Has he slighted you in the past?
You need to read the last several pages of this thread. As I have posted, I have no quarrel with Steele. My quarrel is with his incompetent money grubbing lawyers who are leading him to life in prison. He needs medical help to restore as much of his mental faculties as possible. He does not belong in prison.

The point in my last post is that Steele when sane did not give Kevin Strom the benefit of the doubt about being framed. He could have easily been framed. Steele's cheerleaders expect that we should believe the near impossible scenario that the recordings were faked in spite of all the evidence to the contrary.

Steele's cheerleaders also forget that the Feds could have planted child pornography on his computer quite easily. That would have made a far easier bust than the silly business of supposedly faking two 30 minute recordings of his voice. See previous proof of the 3 day/11 day time window making this nearly impossible.

I recommend that everybody here who thinks that they know something about this case should read the 1500 pages of the transcript like I have. It is strange that nobody has ever caught me in a single error on a post in which I have given the exact page from the transcript.
 
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You Only Think You’ve Got Rights
Part I – No Attorney-Client Privilege
by Edgar J. Steele
September 4, 2011

As you know, I have been serializing parts of my upcoming book, “Evil Edgar,” to my list on the internet, as I have been writing it. We have just finished up (most of) “Sex, Lies and Audiotape,” a chapter about those phony recordings and how my experts were prohibited by the judge from proving them false.

Next up (or so I intended): “Love and Other Four-Letter Words,” about the Russian bride scam I was investigating and the possible involvement of the “Russian Mafia” in my takedown. I have that entire chapter almost done. The very recent, stupefying dismissal by the Idaho Supreme Court of my ethics complaint against the lead prosecutor in my show trial forces me to take the basis of that complaint up now, however.

Government Misconduct

In my time, I have been witness to some incredible legal railroad jobs of the politically incorrect. Nobody ever really believes me when I tell them how bad things have gotten in America, thinking I must be wrong or, at least, exaggerating. I’ve gotten used to the disbelief, the total unwillingness of people to believe our government actually would do the things to which I have been witness in my career. I shake my head, in awe of the overwhelming nature of the con job done by all of America’s media in fostering such naïve beliefs.

Now comes what likely is the final case of my career: my own. Never have I seen such overarching brazenness on the part of our government. Never have I seen so many different, outrageously illegal gambits employed in a single case.

Are they pulling out all the stops because I’m a lawyer? Or, perhaps it just takes a lawyer on the hot seat to see all that they do? Other trial lawyers tell me they’ve never seen anything like my case, so I have to believe there is something special going on.

Why me? The answer will become glaringly obvious as we go along, but remember that I always have promised that one day I will pull some real skeletons out of my closet, when I no longer need my bar licenses.

What’s that? You say I should already have written “Attorney for the Damned?” How do you know that I haven’t? Except for the last chapter, of course.

The Attorney-Client Non-Privilege

I have believed the attorney-client confidentiality privilege to be more sacrosanct, even, than that between doctor and patient or priest and penitent. Always. Until now.

The right to counsel, guaranteed by the US Constitution’s Sixth Amendment, is absolute. Talk to somebody else’s lawyer at a cocktail party about your legal problems and the privilege applies. Money need not change hands. Talk to your lawyer in the middle of a crowded Grand Central Station and the privilege applies. Yeah… right.

Here’s one of the things I have learned from a year in five different county jails: There is no inmate more naïve than a lawyer inmate. Because I knew the law and where all the boundary lines are drawn, I told myself I would do okay. I knew the government never would invade my attorney-client privilege. I was wrong.

Your Tax Dollars at Work

Our government secretly and illegally recorded my “private” phone calls with lawyers at more than one jail.
Our government secretly and illegally opened more than one of my “confidential” letters to lawyers.
Our government even secretly and illegally listened into more than one of my “private” conversations with lawyers in the jail and Federal courthouse booths set aside for private conferences with lawyers.

How do I know all these thing if they were done secretly? Easy – the government told me, every step of the way; they repeatedly used the information they illegally obtained in prosecuting me.

No, really! I swear. Ask my lawyers. Ask my fellow inmates, all of whom have been surprised at the degree of my naiveté. Of course the government does all this and more. What did I expect?

Copyright ©2011, Edgar J. Steele

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Old September 6th, 2011 #2228
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Where specifically did John call Don a "jew?" Calling someone a "true tribe member" is not calling someone a "jew." It can mean anything - zionist, etc.

Funny how you can take a phrase and mean something else. Are you afraid of being labeled? This isn't the first time you skewed something to mean something else. Who/what are you protecting?
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You need to read the last several pages of this thread. As I have posted, I have no quarrel with Steele. My quarrel is with his incompetent money grubbing lawyers who are leading him to life in prison. He needs medical help to restore as much of his mental faculties as possible. He does not belong in prison.

The point in my last post is that Steele when sane did not give Kevin Strom the benefit of the doubt about being framed. He could have easily been framed. Steele's cheerleaders expect that we should believe the near impossible scenario that the recordings were faked in spite of all the evidence to the contrary.

Steele's cheerleaders also forget that the Feds could have planted child pornography on his computer quite easily. That would have made a far easier bust than the silly business of supposedly faking two 30 minute recordings of his voice. See previous proof of the 3 day/11 day time window making this nearly impossible. by Senile Don

I recommend that everybody here who thinks that they know something about this case should read the 1500 pages of the transcript like I have. It is strange that nobody has ever caught me in a single error on a post in which I have given the exact page from the transcript.
Even if in the slightest, remote chance that Steele was temporarily insane, the ADL regime will make sure it won't fly.

Forgotten? Haven't forgotten anything. The ADL/Mossad agents will do anything - fake recordings, plant false evidence, etc. They have billions of our tax dollars to do anything they want against the gentiles.
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Old September 6th, 2011 #2230
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Don why do you want to hang Steele? Has he slighted you in the past?
If Steele lied about being set up it is very easy to imagine that many people would be angry after donating time and money to his expensive and incredibly badly executed defence, a defence that may very well have been sabotaged by his own vanity and what appears to be a very large ego.

That being said, I don't think he deserves to spend the rest of his life in prison, Donald is probably correct that Steele has a screw loose and wouldn't have done something like that if he had all his facilities about him.
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I think VNN has a rule against calling forum members Jews without evidence. John Liberty has been sort of teetering at the brink of that for some time.
Through your support of the heeb position, you and your ilk would like nothing better than to provoke someone into calling you a yid so you could cry foul. I think that is one of your underlying motives beside denigrating Ed Steele, to try and silence legitimate WN's by getting them to call you out on your pro-heebish posts.

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You need to read the last several pages of this thread. As I have posted, I have no quarrel with Steele.
You have been bad mouthing Ed all the way through this thread, calling him crazy, accusing him of having a Ukrainian GF, and taking the feds side in the star chamber kangaroo court. You have made it plain as day what your agenda is. The supposed victim in the crime doesn't believe Ed is guilty, and that this was just another attack on dissidents by TPTB.

Motives? Plenty of them,
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In fact, a bunch of Abe's relatives killed a bunch of theirs in one of the few bona fide holocausts that occurred in the Twentieth Century.
Murdered them. In cold blood. Exterminated. Homicide. Mass murder. Genocide. Holocaust, in other words.
What's more, Abe doesn't want you know about it. In fact, Abe is doing everything in his power to make sure you never hear about it. In 1915, over 1.5 million Armenians were massacred by Abe's relatives in Turkey. Exterminated. Homicide. Mass murder. Genocide. You know: Holocaust.

Jews like to refer to anti-Semitism as a disease. Well, I agree. I've got it bad. I've said it before and I'm going to keep on saying it: Anti-Semitism is a disease - you catch it from Jews.

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We are truly living in a bizarro world now, the constitutionalist are homegrown terrorists, the heebs are always right, and Osama did 911. Anyone trying to convince you that the MSM media position is the true story should immediately be suspected of being an anti. (or maybe even a heeb)

Ed Steele is in jail for telling the truth, period. The Feds are running rampant.

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Seriously folks, have you ever known of any federal agent being brought to justice for even the most egregious violations of life and liberty? Where was the first federal agent brought to justice for the murders of over 80 mostly old men, women, and children outside Waco, Texas? Was agent Lon Horiuchi brought to justice for murdering Vicki Weaver? That monster shot Vicki in the face with a high-powered, scoped rifle as she stood in her kitchen holding her little baby. Not only was this creep not punished, he was later promoted........
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Through your support of the heeb position, you and your ilk would like nothing better than to provoke someone into calling you a yid so you could cry foul. I think that is one of your underlying motives beside denigrating Ed Steele, to try and silence legitimate WN's by getting them to call you out on your pro-heebish posts.
You started with the "heeb" shit when I wasn't even on VNN or able to respond. I think you should be banned or tarded just to improve the quality of discourse.
 
Old September 8th, 2011 #2233
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You started with the "heeb" shit when I wasn't even on VNN or able to respond. I think you should be banned or tarded just to improve the quality of discourse.
I second the motion. Crazy John Liberty is doing a far better job of embarrassing Steele than all of Abbie's Jews put together.
 
Old September 9th, 2011 #2234
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I have known about this for a few weeks but haven't had time to post it. I think that Steele is lying about it.

I have more respect for Abbie Foxman's intelligence than to believe this. The ADL has a $100 million per year budget and surely a net worth of $100 million. They would not jeapordize this over a half dead lawyer who was sending 14,000 emails to his Ukrainian girlfriends. They were badly burned in Denver in 2000 with a $10 million libel judgement with likely another $10 million in attorney's fees.

If they were going to get involved in this, there would be NO paper trail. They would have sent a Jew to talk to the prosecutor. Steele's account is laughable. It has to come from a crazy man. This comes from http://www.free-edgar-steele.com/wp-...gar-Steele.pdf .


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Old September 10th, 2011 #2235
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.. seems to me Steele is putting on the record the existance of a document he feels may be of use to his defense. Note that he doesn't claim to have actually requested to keep the document or even that he requested a copy of the document.

He's alledging that the actions of the Marshal (retaining the ADL document) had the effect of denying him the right to retain a copy of document.

3. would read almost identically if the document was kept by Steele and not returned to the Marshall.

Steele doesn't mention the name of the ADL rep. He doesn't say how he knows the statements were from an ADl rep.

The account as written by Steele is in no way laughable. I've been in US Marshall's custody and what he describes seems entirely believeable.

I find it interesting that Steele acknowledges and argues a "diminished capacity" to explain some of his actions subsequent to his arrest, but unlike Donald Pauly, doesn't argue "diminished capacity" for his actions prior to his arrest. see p. 7 b and p. 21 33
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I have known about this for a few weeks but haven't had time to post it. I think that Steele is lying about it.

I have more respect for Abbie Foxman's intelligence than to believe this. The ADL has a $100 million per year budget and surely a net worth of $100 million. They would not jeapordize this over a half dead lawyer who was sending 14,000 emails to his Ukrainian girlfriends. They were badly burned in Denver in 2000 with a $10 million libel judgement with likely another $10 million in attorney's fees.

If they were going to get involved in this, there would be NO paper trail. They would have sent a Jew to talk to the prosecutor. Steele's account is laughable. It has to come from a crazy man. This comes from http://www.free-edgar-steele.com/wp-...gar-Steele.pdf
The US Marshals might have been trying to intimidate Steele, by showing him a letter from the ADL.

Steele has not defended himself well in this case, coming across as a seedy and somewhat bizarre character. The most effective force in his interest was his wife, Mrs. Cindy Steele.
 
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The US Marshals might have been trying to intimidate Steele, by showing him a letter from the ADL.

Steele has not defended himself well in this case, coming across as a seedy and somewhat bizarre character. The most effective force in his interest was his wife, Mrs. Cindy Steele.
You are absolutely correct about Cyndi. That is the problem, she doesn't know when to quit standing by her man. She is getting him in deeper all of the time. Perhaps he doesn't understand that ALL of these rants written from jail are admissible in court if he gets a new trial. It is virtually certain to be granted after the fiasco of his disbarred lawyer.

If this letter from the ADL was real, why wasn't that U.S. Marshall on the witness stand followed by Abbie Foxman himself? That would have blown this entire case out of the water. I say that this is another one of Steele's "The dog ate my homework." excuses.

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You Only Think You’ve Got Rights
Part II - No Attorney-Client Privilege

by Edgar J. Steele


September 10, 2011

As noted previously, the US Constitution’s 6th Amendment guarantees “In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall… have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense.” The US Supreme Court has called the confidentiality of the Attorney-Client Privilege in communications the “oldest known confidential privilege known to the common law.”

I knew this and, therefore, knew that, even if the Federal prosecutors did happen to overhear a part of a call to one of my lawyers, they would turn a deaf ear. In thirty years of trial practice, I often heard prisoners allege that their communications with their lawyers were monitored. I always assumed that was done by jails and prisons for the sole purpose of preventing jailbreaks or other illegal activity, though even that sort of monitoring was prohibited by the 6th Amendment.

Federal Prosecutors Routinely Listen In

I never dreamed that such monitoring was ordered by the Federal prosecutors, who demanded and got copies and recordings of every single communication between prisoners and their lawyers. Read that last sentence again, because that is exactly what happens. The Federal judges give cover to this incredibly pervasive and pernicious behavior by all manner of Federal authorities. So much for “checks and balances.” So much for even the illusion of freedom in today’s Amerika. How do you think they get that 97% conviction rate? Do you really think that many accused people actually could be guilty?

Wake up, folks. It really is that bad. Here, let me give you just two fully-documented (and ignored by judges) examples of each type of such illegal intrusions by the government in my case (telephone, letter and personal conference):

Government Recorded My Calls to Attorneys

In State and Federal jails and prisons, inmates do not receive telephone calls. Inmates are allowed outgoing calls only, at specific times and only with specified phones, usually at a cost of about fifty cents per minute.

Repeatedly, I was assured by the guards at Spokane and Bonner County jails that my phone calls to lawyers never would be monitored, let alone recorded. They lied. Both of these jails (and all others in which I have been held) have written policies against such secret and illegal monitoring, which are routinely are ignored. Here is Spokane’s, where so much of the secret taping took place, in my case, despite the written assurance that, per Washington State Law, inmate phone calls would not be monitored or recorded “except by court order”:

The Feds Admitted It

How do I know the Feds were listening in to my attorney calls? They admitted it! At one of the many secret hearings in my case, held outside my and the public’s presence, on October 7, 2010, Federal Prosecutor Traci Whelan asked Judge Winmill to prohibit Attorney Wesley Hoyt from representing my wife, claiming that Mr. Hoyt was “too closely aligned” with me. How did she know? She said that she had been listening to recordings of my calls to Mr. Hoyt. She admitted it. These were calls I made to Wesley Hoyt, discussing all aspects of my case and in which I was trying to hire him to replace Roger Peven as my lawyer, too.

Mr. Peven wasn’t to share this revelation with me until much later, when he angrily told me that I “might as well call Traci Whelan directly, because she knows everything before I (Peven) do.” I still never have been allowed to see a transcript from that October 7 hearing.

When finally told by Mr. Peven that the government was secretly and illegally taping my telephone conversations with lawyers, already I was negotiating with Robert McAllister to take over my representation.

In one of my telephone calls in January or February 2011, I told Mr. McAllister I wanted a motion filed, as soon as possible, to disqualify and recuse Federal Prosecutor Whelan from further handling my prosecution because of her admitted illegal recording of my attorney phone calls. I also said, during that call to McAllister, that I intended to file an Idaho State Bar Ethics complaint about her illegal and unethical conduct. Less than a week after I told McAllister of my wishes, regarding Federal Prosecutor Whelan, she filed for another secret hearing, this time to ask Judge Winmill to declare that I had waived my attorney-client privilege merely by using one of those phones in Spokane County Jail, on which the preliminary recording said call “may” be monitored or recorded. Recall that the written policy assured inmates that such calls would not be recorded, “except by court order.” Remember, too, that I repeatedly had been assured by guards that such recording was not taking place (though it was).

One Federal Hand Washes the Other

Following yet another secret hearing from which both the public and I were excluded, on February 9, 2011, Judge Winmill was only too happy to provide cover for Prosecutor Whelan’s illicit activity by ruling that I waived my right to confidential telephone communications merely by using the only phone I was allowed to use. As we will see next, the Feds were also opening my outgoing mail to lawyers and monitoring my in-person lawyer visits. How, exactly, was I expected ever confidentially to contact any lawyer.

Incidentally, I was not allowed to make any calls (not even if recorded by the Feds) to any lawyer during the first month I was held at Spokane County Jail.

So, there you have proof of two times that Federal Prosecutor Whelan listened to recordings of my telephone calls to two lawyers that were to become my attorneys of record, during the phase of my interviewing them to take over my case. First, Whelan admitted listening to a tape when she moved to have Wesley Hoyt barred from representing my wife. Second, Whelan filed a motion to have my attorney-client privilege declared waived, as soon as she heard on yet another tape that I was going to file a Bar Ethics Complaint against her and have my new lawyer (McAllister) move to have her barred from the case. There was no other reason – nothing – to justify the motion for waiver that she then filed (and which the judge illegally granted).

Copyright ©2011, Edgar J. Steele
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That Ed Steele would place so much trust in attorney's, much less jailers, at this stage of American history, after thoroughly establishing himself as a so called anti-Semite, would seem something like either arrogance or naivete but may instead serve to demonstrate an important corollary to an oft-quoted outtake from Robert Metzger's son's video emphasizing his statement, "I have nothing to say."

Expectations of privacy whether on jailhouse phones or the internet, these days, are arguably unreasonable and unrealistic. I mean, are we following the Constitution ("of blessed memory") or the Communist Manifesto? Hello?

What I admire about Steele is the decision likely born of a realistic assessment that one is nearing the end of his effectivenss and makes a grand play of at least civil disobedience if not violence rather than going out with a whimper. The job of the courts and arguably detractors ostensibly once on his side is to protray him small, of low character, including attempted unfaithfulness to his wife, not unlike what Hollywood devotes its collective self to daily. And that is what bothers me about having become essentially Steele hater's thread.
 
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[I don't know how to make the graphics viewable re-posting this from an e-mail from Edgar J. Steele [[email protected]] but here is where you can view it online: http://www.free-edgar-steele.com/?page_id=53].

You Only Think You’ve Got Rights
No Attorney-Client Privilege (Part III)
by Edgar J. Steele
September 17, 2011

Let’s see if I can state the prevailing secret federal rule about attorney-client privilege in brief:
From the moment of one’s arrest by Federal authorities, one has no right to confidential communications with any attorney except the one approved by a Federal judge.

It remains an open question whether one has a right to confidential communications with any attorney prior to one’s arrest. Certainly, no such right exists after one’s arrest.

No Right to Confidential Communications with Lawyers

All court hearings before Federal District Court Judge Winmill proved to be remarkable for one thing or another. All of those hearings (especially the actual trial) showcased active misconduct by the Justice Department and by the judge himself. Two hearings, one before the trial and another after, most directly highlight the judge’s denying me the right to confidential communications with lawyers.

Perhaps the most remarkable is this colloquy between the judge and the US Marshal’s service (responsible for inmate security):
“THE MARSHALL [Glen Morgan]: Now that Mr. Hoyt is Mr. Steele’s attorney of record, he would have no impediment, whatsoever, as far as attorney-client privilege… The muddying of the waters arise when defendants that are in custody wish to have attorney-client privileges with attorneys that are not attorneys of record.

“THE COURT [Judge Winmill]: Right…since the 13th of June (when Hoyt filed his Substitution of Attorneys), it has been muddy. The government filed its concern (trying to bar Wes Hoyt from the case). The court addressed that by scheduling this hearing but that… the waters should no longer be murky. I think it’s now clear Mr. Hoyt should have the right to without any concern of his conversations being recorded or compromised in any way.”












(Motion” Hearing July 6, 2011, transcript pages 30-31.)

US Marshall Policy Trumps the Constitution

Here is a recap of what had taken place: For a year, from the summer of 2010 until the summer of 2011, after I was convicted, the government eavesdropped on my telephone conversations, letters and “private” conferences with all attorneys, save only my Federally-paid “attorney of record,” and I am not convinced they didn’t invade those communications, as well.

After my sham showtrial in April 2011, the USMS policy continued and, in fact, continues to this day. Here’s what the judge said about the secret, unwritten USMS policy during that July 6, 2011 hearing:
JUDGE WINMILL: “I’m assuming that the Marshall’s Service has some policy that probably would restrict that (private attorney-client communication) only to someone who has entered an appearance on behalf of the defendant…”

US MARSHALL MORGAN: “If Mr. Steele wishes to do that, I would suggest that he notify the management at the jail… that he wishes to… contact an attorney of his choice. They would in turn call us… At that point, then we could probably allow that…”

JUDGE WINMILL: “…We need to have some assurance that person contacted was a licensed attorney.”
US MARSHALL MORGAN: “…between the jail and us… we can probably confirm that.”

JUDGE WINMILL: “If there is a concern by Mr. Steele, than I think he can presumably communicate directly with the court… in an ex parte fashion… “











(7/6/11 “Motion” Hearing, July 6, 2011 pages 32 & 35)

Speaking Confidentially

So – if I want to talk confidentially to any lawyer except my judge-blessed “attorney of record,” I must get “permission” from the US Marshall’s service or “communicate directly with the court.” Problem is, they never shared this rule with me until two months after I was convicted in a sham show trial wherein the prosecutor used all my prior communications with the two attorneys (McAllister and Hoyt) who had not yet (but would) become my “attorneys of record.”

Today, there is only one lawyer with whom I am allowed private discussions: Wes Hoyt. Even so, all my conversations with Mr. Hoyt that took place prior to July 6, 2011, when the judge “approved” him as my “attorney of record,” are not privileged and the prosecutor, by her own admission, did listen in to them.


Unappealing

Meanwhile, I have an appeal that needs to be developed and filed, but I have no appellate lawyer. On July 14, 2011, I wrote an ex parte letter to Judge Winmill, in keeping with his 7/6/11 order, asking permission to contact two appellate lawyers in confidence. The judge refused to answer me, though I complied with his former order in court, ordering that all such requests be brought to him only by my “attorney of record” and, then, only by formal motion.

They railroaded me into a bogus conviction with fake evidence and refused to allow me to present a defense, all the while listening in to my attorney phone calls, letters and in-person conferences. Now, they appear bent upon denying me the ability to appeal my wrongful conviction.
Hey, is this a great country, or what?

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