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Old March 18th, 2017 #3241
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That's why Strom is a lead weight around white nationalism.

I still believe he should've served a twenty year sentence. And if Will Williams is convicted of woman beating, he needs to serve a minimum of one year in prison.
Kevin Alfred Strom was only convicted of possession of child pornography. Strom escaped the other charges. To prove the charges, the prosecutor would have had to prove them “beyond a reasonable doubt.” That’s a strict burden of proof. He did serve time, and Strom got 15 years of probation.

Williams could have pleaded guilty and got only five days. Since he had already served two days, that would be three days (only two actual nights).

Williams was convicted of battery and sentenced to six months. Williams appealed that conviction, and will be retried in a higher court in June; the most he can receive is one year.

Never assume that Will Williams will do the rational thing.
 
Old March 21st, 2017 #3242
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Will Williams Encounters Hornet’s Nest on Stormfront

Stormfront - News Politics & Continuing Crises - The Future of the National Alliance
https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t94.../#post13987467

Will Williams transferred one of his posts from the SF Soap Opera thread to an old thread titled: The Future of the National Alliance. Williams was met with criticism over mismanagement and especially over Kevin Alfred Strom.

The old thread was started in January 2013. Williams entered the thread in May 2013. Williams says he acquired Pierce’s NA late in 2014. In those old posts Williams was praising Glenn Miller an attacking Harold Covington. Therefore, Williams can hardly claim ownership, as he tried to do in the SF Soap Opera thread.

We’ll see if the mods on Stormfront assist Williams nor not.
 
Old March 21st, 2017 #3243
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Kevin Strom is the National Alliance

Apparently in panic, Will Williams on Stormfront just screeched: “Kevin Strom is the National Alliance. He stays.” --Will Williams

https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t94.../#post13987467

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Old March 21st, 2017 #3244
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Posted on 21 March 2017 at 09:56 AM EDT by Walter Fairchild II:

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With 35 members at least the organization is now larger than WW's ignore list. Congratulations on your success!

Since the NA standards include taking kiddy fiddlers why not just recruit from NAMBLA? This is what you are tolerating when you join the NA. I suppose that's why it took this long to get 35!

Its about the land, plain and simple. When WW cant keep it up on his hustle proceeds, he'll sell and cash out laughing all the way to the bank.

Walker and Gliebe were failures who tried. Williams is a deliberate pirate! Gliebe should have sold to NAARG.
This was in the Future of the National Alliance thread.
 
Old March 22nd, 2017 #3245
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The Issue of Security for Members of the NA Reemerges

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As an outsider looking in my biggest single problem would be any involvement with a security compromise.
He (Kevin Strom) said he was innocent but pled guilty to avoid jail.
What else would he say/do to avoid jail.
How far would someone terrified of prison go to please the authorities.
What would they be prepared to testify to.
People like that are not known for loyalty or morals.
If someone with a badge threatens to put him on a wing full of black gangsta types is he strong enough to tell them to GTF or is he the type who begins weeping and says WHAT do you want me to do.
Would he swear to a lie in order to get immunity.
Wills biggest threat may not be the ones he thinks.
LFV and a couple of others have raised this fear of being exposed if they join the NA.

KAS is not the top guy.

The real question for any organization is: "Is the top guy already feeding information to law enforcement or ADL-SPLC?" Would he do it to avoid a stay in Federal Prison?

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Old March 22nd, 2017 #3246
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Your "National Alliance" is only for a few who send money without asking questions. Why don't you remind people that you don't like farmers, or people who work in retail businesses?

Is it true that your "ignore list" exceeds that number of "members" that have sent you money?
The last sentence may be, in fact, true as Williams now has just under 30 SF members on ignore.
 
Old March 22nd, 2017 #3247
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Dr. Pierce would thank you for your advice then after five minutes of listening to your advice would politely show you the
door and excuse himself. After that he would ignore you.
Pike's response: Isn't that what he did to you?

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Kevin Strom is the National Alliance.
Pike's response: Is he (Strom) on the legal board of directors? He has his own website, and solicits donations for himself. Do you think people should send their money to you, or to him? Will he be Chairman of your "National Alliance, while you do a few months jail time? With control of your three websites, he might decide to keep his new job.

Of course, his (Strom's) computers, are subject to search at any time, due to the conditions of his probation.

Someone's gotta pay for the fancy clothes, expensive furniture, and classic cars that he (Strom) needs to pose with.
 
Old March 22nd, 2017 #3248
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Comment on Stormfront deletions. I may have missed a few post that were delete before I even saw them.

You can look at the SF deletions listed in this thread and decide if they were really what a moderator should delete.
 
Old March 22nd, 2017 #3249
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Below is One of My Posts Deleted on Stormfront Today

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Any person involved with the NA leadership or management, or one who contributes to the publics impression of the NA by writing for the organization or doing broadcasts, etc, who comes under criminal suspicion of any kind, but ESPECIALLY a sex crime involving minors, should be publicly ostracized for the good of the organization.

Why does the current NA leadership allow this person to continue participating with the NA?

I believe the person in questions initials are KAS.
Hello, Just Us. Several years ago, Williams sought out and recruited Kevin Alfred Strom, and they formed their own tiny National Alliance. Williams had complete and full knowledge of Strom’s predilections and peccadillos long before the two became partners. In fact, Williams occasionally refers to Strom as “that little shxt.”

Williams later merged the tiny National Alliance with Pierce’s original National Alliance. Until then, Dr. Pierce’s name was not seriously besmirched by Williams and Strom.

Strom is a fair and occasionally prolific hack writer. However, in four decades of being in the movement, Strom has never attracted a supporter base large enough to support himself. That’s the measure. Propaganda must produce sufficient money to produce more propaganda.

Williams is a huckster who is quick to recruit people (anyone, good or bad), almost all of whom soon avoid Williams or turn into his enemies. Until the NA is in better hands, it will continue to be run by Huckster & Hackster.

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Old March 24th, 2017 #3250
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Old March 24th, 2017 #3251
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Bob...

Is Mr. Pringle still working on building an indoor "shoot house" for Para military training on the NA property? Massive liability with that...not the best of ideas.
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DeMarais' Reply: I don’t know for sure about the shoot house. As long as my house isn’t shot, there isn’t much that I can do. I’ve heard rumors about the shoot house and militia training, but I haven’t seen anything to confirm them.

As far as “massive liability,” Mr. Williams takes lots of reckless chances, and he’s wrong more than right. Those who associate with Williams may entangle themselves. That happened to me.
Sorry for the exaggeration; it is only a few dozen, so far.
 
Old March 24th, 2017 #3252
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Based upon the disproportionate, angry reactions on SF and the bizarre assumption that he is going to physically order someone around to perform manual labor if he or she simply wants to say hi at the NA property...

In my professional opinion WW is quite mentally ill.

Oftentimes psychopathic personalities have a sidekick or number one fan and groupie who is almost or equally psychopathic to work as a team...I believe Pringle fits that profile.

Obviously KAS is a self admitted sexually deviant and pedophile.

Quite a trio now humiliating all that Pierce worked for.

Be advised all WN s Pringle is heavily armed. DO NOT JUST DROP BY FOR A VISIT THINKING THE NA IS A PUBLIY KNOWN ORGANIZATION AND YOU WILL BE MET WITH FRIENDLY OVERTURES.

All I can say is any adult who would deliberately park his large tractor in the way of a neighbors access to his home is unstable and disgraceful to WN.

Where I am from there would be a violent physical altercation over that.

Perhaps Pringle wants to provoke his neighbors so he can test his 6.8SPC toy on them like he does on defenseless rabbits, blowing them to bits?

When Pringle's unprofessional and bizarre unkempt appearance was brought up as poorly representing a clean cut mainstream image for the NA WW defended the hillbilly look and said "but he'd cut it if I ORDERED him to."

Is part of PTSD and disability time distortion so WW thinks he is still commanding troops in Nam?

These two Champs actually thought they were going to boss some totally new, innocent, professional caliber person with 10x the formal education and background they possess around like a private in the army digging ditches and landscaping at the NA land after said person arrived to simply say hello and learn a little more about the NA.

And these are the people who claim to represent and speak for the memory of Dr. Pierce?

My response: I'd laugh in your faces and run away from two potentially very violent idjits like you.

I believe my story is important and needed to be shared publicly on SF...I now believe that WW is indeed guilty of the accusations and charges of assault and explosive temper outbursts.

Pringle says he droped what he was doing in Yuma AZ I believe and ran to the property in WV to assist WW because he knew he needed "help".

I think these two are living some patriot militia cosplay armed fantasy between them where they get to play on a beautiful rural.property they did not purchase or earn themselves.

If WW is diverting any NA money to his personal residence and calling it a Southern HQ that's pretty sleazy and unethical if you ask me.

Dr. Pierces possessions and works also shouldn't be taken from the official NA property in WV.

I really thought this WW NA would be an organization I would join and believe in. Dr. Pierce had an amazing mind and charisma.

These guys are dishonoring that once fine organization and man.

It doesn't seem like it's going to end well.

Would Pringle care to show up in this thread and honorably explain:
1) what psychological gratification did you get from blocking an old man's driveway to his HOME with your broken down tractor?
2) why are you shooting animals like some 10 year old with his first pellet rifle when you know Pierce would have defended that animal?
3) what's with the mountain man beard and sand in vaginal syndrome the shirt in your public photo? Is that a healthy image for a WN org based on self improvement and marketing virtue to the white public?
4) how are you earning a living deep in the woods of podunk WV?
5) what exactly was the FBI and local LE there to talk to you about and why did not simply say the five words?

These questions will not be answered here. Why? Because it's obvious to any white man with some class and a brain that Chairman WW and Chief of Staff of One Pringle are frickin idiots and constitutional losers as Pierce would have called them.

Perhaps the best thing now would be to nationally auction the property and donate the proceeds to SF?

That of course would take sound judgement and leadership, and someone who is not ego involved.

The NA has no future.

Let it dissolve gracefully.
 
Old March 24th, 2017 #3253
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"Just Us" stood up to Will Williams. His posts started to disappear; then he was declared inactive by Stormfront in the last couple of hours.

Will Williams cannot take any criticism. No one stands up for Williams in his threads; he is all alone. All alone, like a Jimmy Cagney character waiting for the FBI to close in on him -- insanely screaming "everybody is crazy except me," and "you dirty rat coppers."
 
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I tried to learn as much as I could about the conflict between Williams' NA and NARRG.

No problemo, Will. Kerplunk I go.

I hope folks reading this thread see that WW refused to answer my sincere questions about a sex offender and LE scrutiny and the remnants of an organization that he Chairs.

Not only refused, but immediately attacked me for even asking.

He's right...I'm not NA material. Who would want to be with that kind of 'tude from the Chair?

I discovered Dr. Pierce's writings and teachings many years ago when reading about various groups and persons who have made up WN in the past. I have always been curious about the NA property in WV as the only comparable setup was the now defunct AN property of the late Pastor Butler.

Since I'm now on Chairman Williams' ignore list I suppose I can tell this story.

I asked if I could drop by the WV property to simply see the remains of what Dr. Pierce had built and where he had worked and lived. Things I'd only read about. I enjoy motorcycle touring and was planning on also seeing the Greenbrier Resort and Bridge Day at New River Gorge, which aren't too far from the old NA place.

It would have been a multi day, somewhat dangerous trip traveling by myself exposed to the elements on a 500cc bike. I had asked if I could pitch a small 1 person tent and sleep one night in safety on the NA grounds.

Be advised if you want to even view the NA property with your own eyes as someone who'd like to actually meet some of these people running things nowadays you will be told that you will be expected to perform manual labor under orders from either Chairman Will or Mr. Pringle just to be permitted to even look at the property. In my case, after a multi day trip on a motorcycle, and to commence upon arrival.

I'm not afraid of work and have dug plenty of ditches in my time, but the commanding tone this info was delivered in was pretty disturbing. I politely declined to ever travel there and meet any of these current NA people in person.

Knowing that Mr. Pringle is blasting rabbits with his 6.8SPC AR build on the property, which Dr. Pierce would have surely disapproved of as an animal lover, there is no way I'd feel safe as a visitor there.

Where is the white hospitality as a means to recruit new and talented younger folks into the NA when it desperately needs an injection of new and motivated, educated, and professionally skilled leaders and representatives?

The Chairman used a word about his Chief of Staff Mr. Pringle once that really stood out to me: he said "if I ordered him to." Now, we all understand that Chairman Williams is former military and his service and sacrifices are a badge of honor. I found the use of the word "order" to be quite unsettling as it indicated to me an almost cult like or militaristic mindset on the WV property under WW's leadership. I didn't feel safe walking into that especially alone.

I was told I should have joined by now, etc. I had simply wanted to actually shake some hands and evaluate some folks in person before I decided to put my name on paper as a member and begin donating some time and effort to the current NA.

I see now after Chairman Williams' hostility on this thread when asked some very simple questions that any prudent WN SHOULD ask about the NA as it stands now, that I made the right decision to not only NOT get involved with these people but especially to NEVER go see them alone in person deep in the isolation of backwater WV.

Im not saying NARRG is right but some of what has been said about the current NA leadership seems to have some merit. I am stunned that as a Chair of such a well known and historic WN organization that WW will not discuss the lunacy of allowing KAS with a sex offense conviction involving minors to be a very visible part of the organization.

I think Dr. Pierce would be mortified by the defense of KAS by WW in this thread when it is obvious such a leadership decision is a major roadock to new people wanting to join and contribute to the NA and it mission.

I gave a lot of consideration to joining the current NA and becoming active in WN via that historic group. Now I believe the NA died with Dr. Pierce just as the AN died with Pastor Butler. All that's left today is some interesting real estate and buildings with some history for WN aficionados, with a skeleton crew of possibly mentally unstable folks claiming to keep Pierce's mission alive. I think they are doing it for themselves now and don't have the best interests of the NA in mind.

If the NA Chair did have the NA's best interests in mind, along with preserving Dr. Pierces legacy in an untarnished manner, my honest questions would have been answered and they wouldn't have been met here with such fly off the handle hostility.

The NA is over with this bunch in charge. Sad but true. At least let it die a peaceful death without being associated with sex offenders no matter how much that offender writes on the internet.

The best we have in 2017 is SF.

Just one unaffiliated man's experience. YMMV.

I hope it somehow works out for what is best for the NA of Dr. Pierce's vision.
In the NA's official Bulletin, Williams ordered his members to stay out of internet forums. Members might find out the truth.
 
Old March 24th, 2017 #3255
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Pike @ CensorFront this evening:

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Old March 24th, 2017 #3256
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Old March 25th, 2017 #3257
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Just out of curiosity, what kind of logging has been going on at NAHQ? Have they clear-cut large areas, or have they just been removing dead and severely damaged trees?
Dr. Bob replies to Overwatch's questions on the Phora:


Gliebe Logging: During his reign, Gliebe had about 90% of the properties cut heavily with a diameter cut. That means everything over a certain size, say 14 inches, was cut and sold.

So it was kind of backwards. The best was taken, and the crooked, damaged, dead, and etcetera were left. However, the loggers did remove marginal species (such as Buckeye) and sold them for pulpwood.

What Gliebe did was not unusual, but there are better ways. After a couple years, it did not look too bad and would look normal to the uninitiated.

The Gliebe timberings generated a lot of cash (timber prices were high), certainly into the low six figures. About $190,000 may be the correct figure. Where the money went remains food for speculation and accusation. The checks went through NA’s and CC’s accounts in the bank.

The loggers left some timber uncut down by the buildings, because Gliebe wanted to leave it to look natural.

Williams Logging: Williams local gang did the recent logging and did not use a professional logger. They removed about 4-5 large truckloads, before they were shut down by state law. The Williams gang was violating all kinds of West Virginia logging, environment, and labor laws.

Apparently, they are trying to get permits and do all the paperwork to get started again. But I doubt that they will ever get it done. I understand it would even include workers’ compensation, which is very high for forest work.

Williams cut the Streed property, on which Williams is still making payments to the Streeds (it’s only four acres). Then they began on the Cosmotheist Church property cutting the band of trees Gliebe left for appearance sake. Of course, I can’t see much of this, but I could tell where they were cutting by the sound of the chainsaw.

Some of the logs these amateurs cut were almost too small. And I believe they are making a mess, some of which I could see. Professional loggers have big equipment and can pull down trees that get hung up on other trees when they fall. And the pros know to minimize the unsightliness of the slash. The gang did not remove the pulpwood; to me, this is bad practice.

A wild guess is that, so far, the Williams gang grossed about $20,000 for the logs. Timber prices are now low; it is a bad time to sell. Apparently, the checks from the sawmill are not going through a National Alliance bank account; rather the checks go to a member of the local gang. There is a four-way split with each of the three amateurs, who do the cutting, getting a share and Williams (who does no work) getting a share.

Dr. Peirce was opposed to all logging and even opposed to cutting standing trees (alive or dead) for firewood. We got our firewood from fallen trees or had waste from professional loggers trucked in.

Williams consistently uses the authority of Dr. Pierce to justify his actions. Williams is committing what Dr.P would have considered an atrocity. Williams is a Cosmotheist only when it suits him.
 
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The Gliebe timberings generated a lot of cash (timber prices were high), certainly into the low six figures. About $190,000 may be the correct figure. Where the money went remains food for speculation and accusation. The checks went through NA’s and CC’s accounts in the bank.
The following is just the timber sales on the National Alliance property. Does not include the CCC timber sales:



The money from the timber sales went towards overdue phone and utility bills, about $7,000.00 towards NVB inventory. The vast majority went towards paychecks to Patrick Martin (and his wife) and cash withdrawals for Erich Gliebe as fast as the money came in.

Over a quarter million dollars in timber sales on the two properties within a year and a half, yet the National Alliance under Gliebe and Martin was continuously broke.

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Note: Third paragraph gives Randolph Dilloway exclusive rights to the Willy Alliance's confidential information. Thanks Willy!
 
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