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Old May 28th, 2015 #1781
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The pension plan of revolutionaries is WINNING.
I'm discussing the pre-revolutionary phase. If our activists can be starved we'll never gather the critical mass needed for revolution.

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As for using crypto to fund activities, that's a great idea if you can figure out how to arrange it.

Outline that strategy at greater length, maybe there's an idea there.
One of the more effective tactics used to keep Whites from speaking out is the threat of unemployment. An unapologetic pro-White man or woman who openly and honestly advocates for Whites, or even tells some of the truth about muds, will almost always be destroyed financially.

These ritual humiliations are used to remind Whites that they are on their own, that there's no hope, that failure and poverty and pain are the only consequences they can expect if they tell the truth.

When Ron Paul was raising millions of dollars it occurred to me that the mechanism, thousands of small donations made very quickly using the internet, had revolutionary potential. But looking into the mechanism there were two obvious weaknesses.

First, Ron Paul donors gave their real names. Ron wasn't a serious threat to the system so donating was fairly safe. Admitting to WN beliefs by contributing with your credit card, not so much.

Which brings me to problem number two - the credit card. Or Paypal. Or any other payment system connected to the jew banks. Jews obviously won't allow us to use their systems to arrange for their expulsion.

But then I started looking into Bitcoin. While it's not anonymous, it can be spent without any jew's approval. And because it's used for many things, not just WN activism, the system hasn't shut it down.

There are hints that mainstream businesses might want to make use of it for economical micropayments, something they've failed to convince the greedy banks to enable (the banks always want a minimum cut per transaction, rendering micropayments infeasible). So Bitcoin isn't going to be shut down outright, for now.

But it still isn't anonymous. That's where the newer cryptocurrencies come in. There's a list of them here. They're not perfect, but the technology keeps improving.

So, assume that a robust anonymous cryptocurrency, widely used, popular with the sort of people who support The Pirate Bay, Wikileaks and other somewhat fringe movements/technologies, emerges.

I suggest we ride that wave.

Make use of the anonymous payment system infrastructure to raise funds to support our activists, and deny jews the satisfaction of seeing our heroes suffer financial ruin.

Assuming that there's a group in charge of the fundraising campaigns (it's possible there could be a decentralized mechanism, but that's another subject) it would need to be defended. Part of the proceeds would go to paying a full time staff. That might just be a manager, someone to customize software and someone to run the server. But they'd be paid the same way the employees of all the thousands of jew orgs are paid. The cultural aspect of this is to change the WN attitude that everything should be a volunteer gig. Many projects require a full time, highly skilled staff.

There are several existing models for choosing what should be funded. Obviously it can't be entirely open, jews would just flood in and nominate themselves as "WN activists" then use their swarming tactics to fill the site with jew logrolling. But it could be looser, more like Indiegogo, or tightly controlled like Kickstarter.

Choosing the right projects and activists to support is vital. The man who takes charge of that will be the point of the spear, and will take a lot of heat.
 
Old May 28th, 2015 #1782
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They've gotta be Rouse and Cubby. One's conservative and the other's annoying*.


*No offense intended, Sam. You can be very annoying, too, when you put your mind to it.
So even though Linder says he is 95% sure I aint covington and Varg said I aint using a proxy, which means he can tell what COUNTRY I am in, you still go ahead and make false accusations. You NA boys really are determined to destroy the NA yourselves aren't you.Williams chats to the enemy, and You continue to make false accusations. How are you going to attract new members when they can easily see that you are full of shit.
 
Old May 29th, 2015 #1783
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I talked to Craig today and he's all wound up about getting himself an indoor toilet now, and would be very thankful if you'd put him on the Martyr's Relief.

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He's says it doesn't have to be too much, just keep it steady.
You're joking about him still not having indoor plumbing, right? Normally I would just assume the joke, but...yeah.
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Old May 29th, 2015 #1784
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Why is Craig Cobb a "Martyr"?

If he is a "Martyr" why does he warrant "relief".

I'm open to donating if it's for the right cause.

I'm not familiar with this Craig Cobb guy. But I see him posting on SF and he seems to be quite well known. Does he have an account here also?
 
Old May 29th, 2015 #1785
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Fred wondered on this earlier in the thread. So have I. And you're right, 68 isn't "old.
Someone who is 68 was born in 1945. That's old, man.

WN in North America desperately needs new blood at the executive level. Revolution is a young man's game.
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Old May 29th, 2015 #1786
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Why is Craig Cobb a "Martyr"?

If he is a "Martyr" why does he warrant "relief".

I'm open to donating if it's for the right cause.

I'm not familiar with this Craig Cobb guy. But I see him posting on SF and he seems to be quite well known. Does he have an account here also?
Being quite well known isn't necessarily a good thing. Depends on what you're known for. Just Google "awkward fist-bumps".
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Old May 29th, 2015 #1787
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The problem is I'm too happy and comfortable. Under the circumstances life in a hole in the ground lacks that certain something... that indefinable... oh yeah, plumbing and electricity.
Yeah. We can still get by fairly comfortably. Our grandchildren can deal with life in a hole in the ground. Go with the smart money. Keep a low profile. Don't rock the boat.



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The whole point of my WN pension fund is to help people whose careers have been ruined by enemy action. With the jews getting people fired unemployment is nothing to be ashamed of (for you guys, not me of course, I have a good career and house and stuff.)
It sounds grand. But the problem with it is that a point will come where it is a question of hey, do we spend that money on a pension for someone or on more revolution? Revolution will win every time. At least it will if we are doing it right.

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To get a grasp of the approach I'm suggesting think about the jews. Are they heroic? Brave? Physically strong? Tough guys? No, they're nerds, schemers, planners, plotters. They create systems and institutions, a network of networks to support each other. That way each jew can contribute just a little and they're all protected.
They're jews. We're not. We should learn what we can about them, borrow what's useful, but we aren't going to win by doing it their way. They have thousands of years experience at being kikes. One should study them, pay attention to what they do, pick out patterns, and never lose sight of our solution, the White solution. The jew knows exactly what that is, and it scares them. That is one of the reasons they are obsessed with the holocaust that hasn't happened yet.
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Williams isn't setting up an infrastructure, he's running a podcast and blog. And running what's left of the NA into the ground.
That right there is why you shouldn't be trusted. Blanket condemnation designed to create a meme, with a transparent goal of destroying them. The guys who are working to resurrect the NA, it's not just Williams and Strom BTW, are having to undo the damage from years of mismanagement. You seriously want to criticize them for running a podcast and blog? Baby steps, do what you can with what you have and grow from there. I would bet that most of Will's time and energy is tied up with recruiting. More members means not only more operating money but a bigger pool of talent to draw from. And most of it doesn't involve moving to West Virginia, it can be done from home, even if that is in Leith, ND, as long as you have an internet connection. Plumbing optional.

Dr. Pierce went for years with a monthly magazine and bulletin. With less members than the NA has now.

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For the good of the NA Strom should be working behind the scenes. Realism can be ugly. I now believe, based largely on Alex's testimony, that Strom could have been set up.
You're wanting to give that to the jew. As long as it works they will keep using that technique. It should just be ignored. If Joe public has any questions over it explain how he was set up because of his activism. But I expect you will miss the point. You usually do. Actually I believe you understand the point very well but choose to ignore it.

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I expect you to miss the point. You usually do.
No, I don't miss it. I just don't agree with it.

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It's not enough to do something, you must do something effective. That's what I advocate.
You don't have a monopoly on that idea. But once one gets past the smokescreen it's plain that all you have is do-nothing BS. I reckon that's something effective, if your goal is your personal safety and comfort.

You are peddling lots of blue sky but nothing of substance. Your plan seems to be something like OK, we will take our countries back from the jew. We will start by taking over the media from the jews. We will set up a pension and medical plan for activists. OK, you guys now know what to do, go get'em.
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Old May 29th, 2015 #1788
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Open question:

Name one WN membership organization in North America in 2015 that is worthy of risking everything you have to join?

If it doesn't exist, you can't fault people for not joining.
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Old May 29th, 2015 #1789
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Open question:

Name one WN membership organization in North America in 2015 that is worthy of risking everything you have to join?

If it doesn't exist, you can't fault people for not joining.
The argument being made by NA supporters here is even worse than that. If you don't risk everything you should shut up.

That's why the movement goes in circles. It has a set of cultural assumptions to maintain a martyrs only club. If you don't respect those traditions - which aren't working, and really never have worked - you're not welcome to even join the discussion.

Another dumbshit premise is that if you can't do something yourself you shouldn't suggest it. I don't need to be an audio engineer to want better recorded podcasts. The scolding and guilt tripping is beside the point. WNs need to up their game.

Accusing anyone who suggests some quality control, smart leadership, and new thinking to replace the old, failed approaches of being an anti-white infiltrator is also counterproductive.
 
Old May 29th, 2015 #1790
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You are peddling lots of blue sky but nothing of substance. Your plan seems to be something like OK, we will take our countries back from the jew. We will start by taking over the media from the jews.
Online video streaming, have you heard of it?

White media can be created without taking over the jew media.

This is why we need activists under the age of forty...
 
Old May 29th, 2015 #1791
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The argument being made by NA supporters here is even worse than that. If you don't risk everything you should shut up.

That's why the movement goes in circles. It has a set of cultural assumptions to maintain a martyrs only club. If you don't respect those traditions - which aren't working, and really never have worked - you're not welcome to even join the discussion.

Another dumbshit premise is that if you can't do something yourself you shouldn't suggest it. I don't need to be an audio engineer to want better recorded podcasts. The scolding and guilt tripping is beside the point. WNs need to up their game.

Accusing anyone who suggests some quality control, smart leadership, and new thinking to replace the old, failed approaches of being an anti-white infiltrator is also counterproductive.
You said it better than I could. And I have a Pulitzer. And I know you aren't Rouse. That was Leonard Zeskind.
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Old May 29th, 2015 #1792
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Default Blue sky, baby!

You want some crystal blue persuasion, here it comes.

A White nationalist streaming videocast should look so good that at first, second, and third glance it's identical in technical quality from a network news broadcast. That doesn't mean it's being broadcast over the jew-FCC controlled airwaves, it means that if you opened two streaming video windows side by side, one with the CBS nightly news and one with White Nationalist News, they'd be of the same video and audio quality.

The content would be superior to the jewmedia's in every way.

I've gone over the technical issues in several threads.

Beyond Podcasting: Starting Your Own Internet Television Channel

A video recorder cost $45,000 in 1956

Related thoughts on tactics here.

What White Nationalists can learn from pirates
 
Old May 29th, 2015 #1793
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The silver lining is that judging by the conversations had at our Memorial Day party, the first WN organization/social movement not wearing clown shoes is going to blow up like Kirstie Alley at an Olive Garden.

Give them a couple Sculpin IPAs and white middle Americans sound like VNNers.
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Old May 29th, 2015 #1794
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You want some crystal blue persuasion, here it comes.

A White nationalist streaming videocast should look so good that at first, second, and third glance it's identical in technical quality from a network news broadcast. That doesn't mean it's being broadcast over the jew-FCC controlled airwaves, it means that if you opened two streaming video windows side by side, one with the CBS nightly news and one with White Nationalist News, they'd be of the same video and audio quality.

The content would be superior to the jewmedia's in every way.

I've gone over the technical issues in several threads.

Beyond Podcasting: Starting Your Own Internet Television Channel

A video recorder cost $45,000 in 1956

Related thoughts on tactics here.

What White Nationalists can learn from pirates
Why does it need to be streaming video? I assume you mean it should be some daily, full time thing, like recreating a news broadcast on the Internet for WN content?

Why is that necessary? It would end up mostly just reporting on black crime, since that's the most prevalent thing in WN 'news' content. It would be expensive (even with cheaper modern tech), and would require hiring people with professional talent. I don't think there's much benefit for the costs involved. A lot of our message can be understood by reading a few articles, which is faster and gives a deeper understanding than a video newscast can accomplish.

I do agree that we benefit from having professional video explaining our cause, but it doesn't need to be a streaming site. We only need maybe a handful of professional videos explaining our cause and the problems we face. There are already some really good ones made of WLP, and even David Duke speeches on youtube. A lot of those are professional quality, and were made for free. A news broadcast thing isn't really worth spending the resources on now, since it wouldn't turn a profit, wouldn't be able to support itself, and would mostly just be reporting on black crime if it's in a news broadcast type format. There's no reason explaining our cause would need to be a streaming newscast, rather than just a few 10 minute videos that can be easily shared. Those already exist, but more of them doesn't hurt.

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Old May 29th, 2015 #1795
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We need fighters - willing to kill and die.
And to live in a hole in the ground if it comes to that.

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When we have that, then the money and the rest will follow, including gutless middle class technical talent.
The loudest of our opponents will be the loudest of our supporters once they see everyone else is getting on board with racialism. They will realize they were always Nazis at heart.

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The pension plan of revolutionaries is WINNING.
And permanent retirement for losing.

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As for using crypto to fund activities, that's a great idea if you can figure out how to arrange it.
It does look good. Bitcoin anyway, not sure of others. The ledgers are scattered all over the world, not centralized and vulnerable to having your account locked, as in PayPal. The problem of inflation is dealt with by having the supply tightly controlled. Not sure how it will be affected by governments switching to electronic money, as they are doing in Denmark. I guess it will still have advantages over jewgeld.
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Old May 29th, 2015 #1796
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Online video streaming, have you heard of it?

White media can be created without taking over the jew media.

This is why we need activists under the age of forty...
You mean kind of like the NA was working on when Dr. Pierce died? And like they still plan to do once they get rolling good again?
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. And I know you aren't Rouse. That was Leonard Zeskind.
Zeskind? Yeah, I had forgot about that. Zeskind is both Lenny Rouse and Sammy Emerson? Fuck, where's O'Mally when we need him? He was pretty good at figuring this stuff out. He caught on that you were some fat jew way before the rest of us did. JK, that's a joke, don't fucking shoot.
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Old May 29th, 2015 #1798
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Why is Craig Cobb a "Martyr"?

If he is a "Martyr" why does he warrant "relief".

I'm open to donating if it's for the right cause.

I'm not familiar with this Craig Cobb guy. But I see him posting on SF and he seems to be quite well known. Does he have an account here also?
Dont waste your money. Craig got himself into the mess he is currently in. The only thing that interests Craig is publicity. He had the opportunity to create something but chose to destroy it all with his actions, later being arrested after walking through his town carrying a loaded weapon. His actions had turned the people of that town against him from the beginning. Basically a delusional idiot that also had a habit of outing WN who disagree with him. He does not care how his actions affect how mainstream population view WN. He had a bunch of houses in a small town, no heating or running water. He did nothing about that, he never even cut the grass. More interested in publicity. It backfired badly. One last thing, like Williams, Craig Cobb also gave an interview to the SPLC

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Invented the damned mish-mash and still can't speak it properly.......

I told him "England." He thought that over and then commented that he had always kind of thought they spoke English there. I told him they do. He thought about that for a bit and then said "well them boys sure do a piss poor job of it."
Talking of US-England relations and language: I'll always remember standing outside Nottingham Castle just after the Kevin Costner film came out and seeing a coachload of tourists pull up. I knew they were American even before they opened their mouths just from the kaleidoscope shirts they all wore but they confirmed it when they fell out of the coach, photographing everything and anything and then this one guy said - very loudly - "Is that iy-it? Where's the rest of iy-it? Iy-it's much biggah in thuh fill-um." and then the woman with him began bitching that it wasn't awwwwthentic.

It wasn't the first time I'd thought about the 1812 squabble and reasoned that our ancestors must have decided it was worth throwing just to not to have to be responsible for you guys any more.
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You want some crystal blue persuasion, here it comes.

A White nationalist streaming videocast should look so good that at first, second, and third glance it's identical in technical quality from a network news broadcast. That doesn't mean it's being broadcast over the jew-FCC controlled airwaves, it means that if you opened two streaming video windows side by side, one with the CBS nightly news and one with White Nationalist News, they'd be of the same video and audio quality.

The content would be superior to the jewmedia's in every way.

I've gone over the technical issues in several threads.

Beyond Podcasting: Starting Your Own Internet Television Channel

A video recorder cost $45,000 in 1956

Related thoughts on tactics here.

What White Nationalists can learn from pirates
All these things are desirable, sure. So are many others. The question is, what is the great leap forward you think will come from them?

Here's how I see it.

Contrary to what essay multipliers would like to believe, our cause is easy to understand not difficult. That's point the first. Anyone can understand nigger crime. Since the vast majority of whites moves to whiter areas, a point I have made roughly a million times, they certainly ARE AWARE ALREADY of nigger criminality. The only intellectual connection that needs to be made is to the jew facilitating the nigger by twisting laws to force it into white communities and then controlling the media so that the natural response is perverted into something evil, ie 'hate.' This is not a difficult connection to make. It is now made by sites all over the internet.

Point the second is that the media owned by our enemy are doing our job against their will and in spite of themselves. And they have the cutting-edge technology & professionalism you want. Even the dimmest intelligence after a time must wonder why they bend over backwards to avoid speaking the obvious truth: that niggers riot for no reason, and refuse to take responsibility for their actions, and blame everything on whites. Again, when we see a cop fund draw 250k in 48 hours, this is an indication of understanding and hidden anger. Mere coverage of all this black crap amounts to implicit White Nationalism for the normal white majority that is our market and man-pool and reason for existing.

What's missing isn't technical talent or message, it's leadership. No one is LEADING WHITES.

There simply can't be any people at this late date of any particular brainpower who don't grasp what's going on. The internet has been mainstream for 20 years now. Anyone interested can figure out what's up. Most people who will flesh out our ranks are happy staying with the conservatives, because that's the System approved option. It's fake and impotent. But it makes them feel good. They are not going to be persuaded intellectually, most of them, because they are schoolfish, but when they see a force actually IN THE STREETS CHANGING THINGS, that is when they will begin to consider seriously supporting it with blood and treasure. Just as they shifted easily from traditional small-govt, no-foreign-entanglements traditional-American conservatism when the jew-commie neocons took over by the early eighties, so will they shift if some other force becomes a plausible authority and tells them that conservatism is racialism or nazism. These are not thinkers or leaders, they are followers and fodder. They orient to strength and authority alone. This is biological, and cannot be altered. These are the men you buy or 'persuade' wholesale, by no means other than providing a plausible authority, in one form or another, but most typically by being the power that be, or by being a very plausible martial alternative.

It's leadership and physical fighting ability that are missing -- the ability to strike physical blows at our enemy -- not media expertise. We aren't banning these System clowns from our forum, they are banning us. We've won the 'argument.' But we know that the point is that it's _not_ an argument. It is this sick dangerous eternal conservative fantasy that we are in a debate that must be rooted out and laughed down as childish weakness.

No one is going to join a cause that only suffers blows and never delivers them - but that is precisely what the racial cause is these days, at least in America (not to deride the fine physical efforts that have apparently taken place in Greece, and possibly elsewhere).

The problem is not people don't agree with us, plenty do, enough to change things, it's that we have no movement because we haven't overcome the TECHNICAL problem of HOW TO PREVENT OUR GROUPS FROM BEING CRUSHED.

We don't need to reach people, or persuade them, or "appeal" to them, as the ignorant are always saying. There is plenty of evidence that people already agree with our fundamental views, based on their behavior, rather than what they say publicly. But they are not going to jump to follow us when there is great risk involved. They will simply try to relocate to solve whatever problems crop up. Those who get the ball rolling are the true and first revolutionaries because they put this noble, necessary, indeed holy cause ABOVE their fucking careers and private lives. These are not 'normal' people. But they are the type that must exist and create the new ideas and forms that in time the average normal people will sign up with.

This stuff is all biological. That's very clear to me after decades.

We need soldiers. We need people willing to kill and die, if need be. Which is a very different think from trying to "appeal" to middle class voters. Voting and other democratic machinery only work when your side is willing to kill the other side if they try to cheat. That's the simple fact of 'democracy.' Only when the judge is physically afraid of being killed does he or she refrain from throwing out democratic will of the majority as expressed at the ballot box. Contrary to what the System says, lynching is a hallmark of a manly, civilized society. Apathy is the hallmark of a degenerate spectating authority-worshipping society.

NA might work. It did lead to the creation of the Doles local unit. Which was very clearly perceived as a dangerous threat by the powers that be. So much so they invested years and millions of dollars to destroy it.

My question is, if NA (or anyone) can rebuild a local unit like that, what happens when the feds play the same dirty tricks?

What's our answer?

These are the questions that matter. Of course it's always good to increase the power and professionalism of our message, and get new and exciting faces and writers, but these are not the essential things, they are closer to secretarial matters.

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