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Old August 5th, 2011 #1
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Arrow Sydney Rabbi Feldman says complaints, including child abuse, should not be reported immediately to police

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/rabbis-com...805-1if8g.html

Rabbi's comments spark war of words with Jewish paper

Josephine Tovey
August 6, 2011


'Unbefitting of a rabbi' ... Yair Miller on Yosef Feldman.

A LEGAL battle has begun between a prominent Sydney rabbi and the country's main Jewish newspaper over a story about his alleged attitude to reporting child sexual abuse.

Legal counsel for Rabbi Yosef Feldman this week sent ''notices of concern'' to the Australian Jewish News, which published a story and editorial last week calling for his resignation and detailing comments he reportedly made in a leaked email exchange.

It reported Rabbi Feldman had argued some complaints, including child abuse, should not be reported immediately to police, where legally possible.

"I really don't understand why as soon as something of serious loshon horo [evil talk] is heard about someone of even child molestation should we immediately go to the secular authorities [sic],'' it quoted him as saying. "I personally feel that if we as a Jewish leadership can't deal with this and other issues bifnim [internally] we are showing ourselves to be impotent.''

The story prompted major controversy in the Jewish community and condemnation of Rabbi Feldman, though the Rabbinical Council of NSW, the representative body of religious leaders, has criticised the newspaper for its coverage.

Rabbi Feldman stood aside this week as president of the council, but remains on the executive, while he tries to ''clear his name''.

He has described AJN's allegations as ''false and defamatory''.

In a statement, the council and Rabbi Feldman said they unreservedly condemned ''all forms of child abuse and protection of perpetrators''. The council said the paper stooped to the level of a ''cheap tabloid''.

But other community leaders who were critical of Rabbi Feldman's reported comments have maintained that disapproval. The NSW Jewish Board of Deputies president, Yair Miller, stood by his view that Rabbi Feldman's reported comments were unbefitting of a rabbi, even in an abstract discussion.

The national editor of the AJN, Zeddy Lawrence, said: ''I think it's unfortunate [the council] didn't use the same passion in condemning Rabbi Feldman's statements as they used in condemning us.''

Rabbi Eli Feldman defended his brother saying quotes had been taken out of context and some views that had been paraphrased were incorrect. ''They were conjecture, they were discussion, but they do not represent his final view.''



Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/rabbis-com...#ixzz1UDW8sgcU
 
Old August 6th, 2011 #2
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A few years ago I saw a television program about child abuse among the Jehovah's Witnesses. So the young people who claimed they had been sexually mistreated by elders in the church screwed up their courage and went to JW headquarters to report their complaints to the main guy in charge.

They were told to not go to the police, but, and I quote exactly, "Let Jehovah take care of it."
 
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Arrow Fury over Rabbi Yosef Feldman's view on child sex

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/new...-1226105157751

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Fury over Rabbi Yosef Feldman's view on child sex

Jesse Phillips From: The Sunday Telegraph July 31, 2011 12:00AM

Rabbi Yosef Feldman Source: The Sunday Telegraph

A HIGH-profile Jewish leader is fighting calls for his resignation after he urged rabbis to deal with allegations of child abuse themselves rather than report it to police.

Rabbi Yosef Feldman, president of the Rabbinical Council of NSW and based at the Southern Sydney Synagogue, has sparked outrage after emailing other rabbis to say it should be up to them to decide whether a paedophile should be reported.

The rabbi also said that, where possible, allegations of abuse should be dealt with outside the legal system.

Rabbis could "threaten" the child abuser with publicity instead of reporting them.

"I really don't understand why as soon as something of serious lashon hara (evil talk) is heard about someone of even child molestation should we immediately go to the secular authorities (sic)," Rabbi Feldman wrote.


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"One must go to a Rov (rabbi) who should firstly investigate the veracity of the complaint and if thought to be serious, warn the culprit etc and act in a way that could scare him by threatening him with publicity by internet to the whole community.

"I feel that if we as a Jewish leadership can't deal with this and other issues bifnim (internally) we are showing ourselves to be impotent."

Rabbi Feldman's brother, Rabbi Eli Feldman, had sought legal action over the attack, claiming the comments, which appeared in the Jewish News, did not represent his brother's personal views.

The newspaper, he said, "acted sinfully and committed the worst crime according to the Jewish tradition and that is publicly humiliating on the basis of falseness".

The Rabbinical Council of NSW, which Rabbi Yosef Feldman presides over, has also rejected his view.

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"One must go to a Rov (rabbi) who should firstly investigate the veracity of the complaint and if thought to be serious, warn the culprit etc and act in a way that could scare him by threatening him with publicity by internet to the whole community.

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"I really don't understand why as soon as something of serious lashon hara (evil talk) is heard about someone of even child molestation should we immediately go to the secular authorities (sic)," Rabbi Feldman wrote.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/rabbis-com...#ixzz1UDW8sgcU
Surely, God's Chosen must be held to a much higher standard than that of mere secular authorities. Since they claim to carry God's own DNA, God himself appears to have some kiddie porn inclinations, of his own and might even cut them some slack, it would seem.
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Surely, God's Chosen must be held to a much higher standard than that of mere secular authorities. Since they claim to carry God's own DNA, God himself appears to have some kiddie porn inclinations, of his own and might even cut them some slack, it would seem.
This race of jews who practice this vile jew religion are evil. I hate these demon playthings. I would like to see this jew leader seek racial hatred prosecution of ordinary fair minded people who say this.

http://www.jwire.com.au/news/synagog...s-rabbis/17874

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A Jewish media report today stated that Rabbi Yossi Feldman called for the handling of sexual abuse cases to be carried out within the community and not to be brought to secular law. The Council of Orthodox Synagogues has disassociated itself from Rabbi Feldman’s views.

In a statement released today COSA states:
“The Council of Orthodox Synagogues of Australia (“COSA”) unequivocally disassociates itself from the views expressed by Rabbi Yossi Feldman concerning the reporting of sexual offenders to the police, as mentioned in the Australian Jewish News (July 28 edition).

Furthermore COSA wholeheartedly endorses the position recently enunciated by the Organisation of Rabbis of Australia (“ORA”) and its affiliates as to the positive obligation, according to both halachic and secular law, to report any such offences to the authorities.

COSA urges all its State constituent bodies to ensure that the guidelines issued by ORA are adhered to by their Rabbis and leaders.

It is COSA’s unqualified position that any person who holds a view contrary is deemed not fit and proper to assume any form of leadership in our community.”

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Old August 6th, 2011 #7
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When I lived there, this was going on in NYC constantly. With all the finger pointing the judenpresse does at the catholics for child molestation, they themselves are 100x worse, and they cover up 95% of the cases by intimidating the member in their creep, insulated orthodox community from going to the police.

The leader of the main sect of creepy jews (lubavichers; the ones who claim the gentile soul comes from the 7 satanic spheres, wile the jewish soul comes from holiness) said that the jews should not go to the goyim authorities with any of their problems, including jew child molesters (of which there are MANY, esp. among the orthodox freaks), so we only hear about like 3% of the cases that actually go on.

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As is par for the course with press pieces, you never get enough info to actually reach an informed opinion. Who the hell here knows what "loshon horo (evil talk)" and "strong loshon horo" encompass anyway? Is it just rumor-mongering? Could it include actual accusations by a victim or their parents? I think this is a rather vital distinction in the rabbi's defense. Do you want the cops and local CPS bursting into your home on the basis of unfounded allegations? As a general rule, I can hardly fault anyone (the Hasidim included) for wanting to keep the govenment at arm's length.
 
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Dr. Pierce left us with one very valuable rule of thumb: ""Nothing good from Israel Cometh." If the jews were charged with something, esp in OZ where you can get locked for looking sideways at a jew, you can bet that there are so many smoking guns in this case that it became impossible to ignore (much as the authorities tried, believe me).
 
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Some other professions frequently mandated across the States include commercial film or photograph processors (in 11 States, Guam, and Puerto Rico), substance abuse counselors (in 14 States), and probation or parole officers (in 17 States).2 Seven States and the District of Columbia include domestic violence workers on the list of mandated reporters, while seven States and the District of Columbia include animal control or humane officers.3 Court-appointed special advocates are mandatory reporters in nine States.4 Members of the clergy now are required to report in 26 States.
http://www.childwelfare.gov/systemwi...utes/manda.cfm


This is interesting, even after the dirt that has been dug up about the Catholic Church regarding sexual abuse, only 26 states have "mandatory" reporting laws for clergy members.
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This is interesting, even after the dirt that has been dug up about the Catholic Church regarding sexual abuse, only 26 states have "mandatory" reporting laws for clergy members.
Rae, what you may not have heard, is that the jews sent 25,000 gentile looking jews into the priesthood after changing their names to christian sounding ones.

I'm not taking up for the catholics here, but that is because of their history, philosophy and the fact that the jews took them over under vatican II. However, these sex scandals were manufactured by jews.
 
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Rae, what you may not have heard, is that the jews sent 25,000 gentile looking jews into the priesthood after changing their names to christian sounding ones.

I'm not taking up for the catholics here, but that is because of their history, philosophy and the fact that the jews took them over under vatican II. However, these sex scandals were manufactured by jews.
I didn't know that, but my point was that clergy ( all denominations) are only required to report abuse in only 26 states. This AFTER the sex abuse scandal surrounding the Catholic Church. I did not mean this as slur on Catholics.

I also wonder if "clergy" includes rabbis
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I didn't know that, but my point was that clergy ( all denominations) are only required to report abuse in only 26 states. This AFTER the sex abuse scandal surrounding the Catholic Church. I did not mean this as slur on Catholics.

I also wonder if "clergy" includes rabbis
Actually, failing to report a crime is regarded as being an accessory after the fact in every state. So I think the story misrepresents the facts to sensationalize the propaganda.
 
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42 U.S.C. § 1986 provides that every person who has knowledge that a wrongful act is about to be committed and having the power to prevent the commission of such wrong neglects or refuses so to do, is liable to the party injured for all damages caused by the wrongful act. The defendant in a § 1986 action need not have participated in the conspiracy or the commission of the act. The defendant, however, must have had actual knowledge of the conspiracy. Mere negligence to act on the part of the defendant will be sufficient to attach liability under § 1986.

Any number of persons guilty of wrongful neglect or refusal may be joined as defendants in a § 1986 action. If the death of any party was caused as a result of the wrongful act and neglect, the legal representatives of the deceased can sue to recover an amount not exceeding five thousand dollars in damages for the benefit of the widow or the next of kin of the deceased. However, the action under § 1986 must be initiated within one year after the cause of action accrued. 42 U.S.C. § 1986 specifically sets forth a one-year statute of limitations for actions arising thereunder.
 
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42 U.S.C. § 1986 provides that every person who has knowledge that a wrongful act is about to be committed and having the power to prevent the commission of such wrong neglects or refuses so to do, is liable to the party injured for all damages caused by the wrongful act. The defendant in a § 1986 action need not have participated in the conspiracy or the commission of the act. The defendant, however, must have had actual knowledge of the conspiracy. Mere negligence to act on the part of the defendant will be sufficient to attach liability under § 1986.

Any number of persons guilty of wrongful neglect or refusal may be joined as defendants in a § 1986 action. If the death of any party was caused as a result of the wrongful act and neglect, the legal representatives of the deceased can sue to recover an amount not exceeding five thousand dollars in damages for the benefit of the widow or the next of kin of the deceased. However, the action under § 1986 must be initiated within one year after the cause of action accrued. 42 U.S.C. § 1986 specifically sets forth a one-year statute of limitations for actions arising thereunder.
I know there are laws on the books regarding this, however, they seem to ignore them.

Mandatory reporting of child sexual abuse is greatly needed in this country and it pisses me off that 24 states give the clergy a pass.
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I think they try to wait until a formal complaint is filed with a DA's office, because many parents don't want to force their child to admit in open court the facts of the allegation, due to the psychological trauma involved.

Sec. 242. Deprivation of rights under color of law

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or custom, willfully subjects any person in any State, Territory,
or District to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or
immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the
United States, or to different punishments, pains, or penalties, on
account of such person being an alien, or by reason of his color,
or race, than are prescribed for the punishment of citizens, shall
be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or
both; and if bodily injury results from the acts committed in
violation of this section or if such acts include the use,
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or fire, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more
than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts
committed in violation of this section or if such acts include
kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse, or an
attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse
, or an attempt to kill,
shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned for any term of
years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.
 
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True, however this behavior NEEDS to be reported and the clergy NEED to be held accountable when they don't report it. But for some reason they are being given a damn pass in 24 states!

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Sec. 242. Deprivation of rights under color of law

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Whoever, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, regulation,
or custom, willfully subjects any person in any State, Territory,
or District to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or
immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the
United States, or to different punishments, pains, or penalties, on
account of such person being an alien, or by reason of his color,
or race, than are prescribed for the punishment of citizens, shall
be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or
both; and if bodily injury results from the acts committed in
violation of this section or if such acts include the use,
attempted use, or threatened use of a dangerous weapon, explosives,
or fire, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more
than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts
committed in violation of this section or if such acts include
kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse, or an
attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse
, or an attempt to kill,
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years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.
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Arrow Aggravated sexual abuse?

Aggravated sexual abuse?

Sounds like a genital mutilation.
 
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It is aggravated, if the perp is an adult and the victim a minor, or if the perp uses a weapon or force & violence likely to cause serious injury or death.
 
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Arrow jew genital mutilation is aggravated child sexual assault

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It is aggravated, if the perp is an adult and the victim a minor, or if the perp uses a weapon or force & violence likely to cause serious injury or death.
Sounds like the standard activities of a perverse jew genital mutilator to me.
 
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