Will We be a White Movement or a Xian One?

[6KILLER]

Originally Posted by tuisto

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Interesting, Sex-killer responds to the fallacious seer Vandal fairy-tale

Does he happen to be from the lineage of the emasculated ones?

No, I'm a descendant of the Counts of Penthiever, the same people who killed Crassus and his son at Carrhae, held the center of the line at Chalon and kicked the shit out of Atilla, captured and raped Charlemagne's sister Gisele producing Roland, and later defeated the Saxons at Senlac and Tivy. Please do tell me of your illustrious lineage, jewisto.

[Rounder]

Originally Posted by 6KILLER

No, I'm a descendant of the Counts of Penthiever, the same people who killed Crassus and his son at Carrhae, held the center of the line at Chalon and kicked the shit out of Atilla, captured and raped Charlemagne's sister Gisele producing Roland, and later defeated the Saxons at Senlac and Tivy. Please do tell me of your illustrious lineage, jewisto.

Damn, talk about illusions of grandeur. Who here believes this man is playing with a full deck, after reading that "pearl" ??

Hey "killer", explain why physical anthropologists can't seem to find any ancient Aryan skeletons in the "holy land" ?? They've found "mountains" of ancient nigger and semite skeletons, though. I mean, in just what century did your C.I. Aryan ancestors leave the holy land, anyhow ?? Just curious.

[Jane_Doe#5]

Personally, I am against all organized religions. However, I feel that calling religion into question, only divides our cause. I really dont care what someone else believes, as long as they truly 'believe' it, and dont just follow the sheep and do as they're told.

I cant stand the in-your-face Xtians that have to recruit you to church, shove their beliefs in your face and all that nonsense, I think spiritual beliefs are personal and not to be sold like Mary-Kay.

[Mike Riggins]

We can and should be both. The Order had Christians and non Christians alike. Ron Paul is also a Christian. Many of his supporters are Christian. The jews hate Christians. Why would anyone try to discriminate against Christians. We do need Christians on our side if we are too have any chance against the jew.

[6KILLER]

Originally Posted by Rounder

Damn, talk about illusions of grandeur. Who here believes this man is playing with a full deck, after reading that "pearl" ??

Hey "killer", explain why physical anthropologists can't seem to find any ancient Aryan skeletons in the "holy land" ?? They've found "mountains" of ancient nigger and semite skeletons, though. I mean, in just what century did your C.I. Aryan ancestors leave the holy land, anyhow ?? Just curious.

Yeah, illusions of grandeur at least I didn't descend from drunk inbred melungeon hill billies.

I don't know, but being that the Amorites (an Indo-European people) lived in parts of the Holy Land they should be able to find their remains. My Aryan ancestors were ethnic Alans and never lived in the holy land. However I'm told that Miller is a jewish name and that your Melungeon ancestors were jewish.

[Pastor Visser]

Originally Posted by Aryan Lord

...one simply cannot be both a xtian and a racialist for they are diametrically opposed ideologies.

[OTPTT]

Originally Posted by Pastor Visser

What a beautiful sight. Not one nigger in the crowd.

[Mike Riggins]

Originally Posted by Pastor Visser

You won't see any of these Christian bashers ever top a rally like that. I bet they all still celebrate Christmas though. Nice find Pator Visser.

[banjo_billy]

Originally Posted by Mishko Novosel

I personally believe, if there is a TRUE movement, that has ACTION, will not be centralized around a religious belief. A belief is something that's intangible, but the race and the color of OUR skin is something that you can touch, and understand.

I do agree that christian bashing is bullshit just on principle alone.

But there's one thing that's for sure, anyone can be a christian, but not everyone can be white.....

In fact, the power of both prehistoric and historic ancient Europe was based in religion. None of those ancient people would do anything without consideration of the will of the Gods and the Omens. The Celts, who believed in reincarnation and whose Aryan ancestors conquered India and gave that benighted country the Vedas, went into battle with laughter on their lips and joy in their hearts at the great opportunity to play and to fight on the edge of the Great Abyyss between Life and Death.

And Vikings were the top fightrers in Europe for several hundreds years simply because of their knowledge of the Eye of Odin and their skills with the spiritual power. They were not the brutes that the Christians and kikes would have us believe -- they were supremely spiritual warriors.

Those who try to divorce themselves from religion, are people who have little understanding of Life and no understanding of God or of Reality.

Certainly, it is understandable why some WN's would object to Christianity simply because it is derived from the slimey evil of Judaism. But these people, just as most Christians, have no understanding of Christianity and its holy separation from the teachings of the kikenvermin. That the Jews were able to infiltrate Christianity and warp and twist it in later centuries, does not diminish its greatness.

So, to Christians and pagans, both ... Merry Christ Mass.

[Rounder]

Originally Posted by 6KILLER

Yeah, illusions of grandeur at least I didn't descend from drunk inbred melungeon hill billies.

I don't know, but being that the Amorites (an Indo-European people) lived in parts of the Holy Land they should be able to find their remains. My Aryan ancestors were ethnic Alans and never lived in the holy land. However I'm told that Miller is a jewish name and that your Melungeon ancestors were jewish.

I asked you why no ancient Aryan skeletons have been found in the "holy land", and your answer was: "I don't know".

But yet, you C.I. folks would have us believe that the lost tribes of "holy land" Israel were Aryans. If you are right, then there ought to be millions of Aryan skeletons there of the ancestors of the lost Aryan tribes of Israel. Were all those millions cremated, perhaps ?? Or were they buried at the bottom of the Red Sea after Charleton Heston parted it ?? I mean there must be some explanation why none of the skeletons of your Aryan "chosenite" jewish ancestors can be found inside the "holy land". So either tell us or else change your religion.

[Rounder]

Originally Posted by Mike Riggins

You won't see any of these Christian bashers ever top a rally like that. I bet they all still celebrate Christmas though. Nice find Pator Visser.

As much as I respect those 1920's Klanspeople for upholding racial segregation and making niggers behave themselves, they cheered wildly when their sons marched off and helped butcher 50-60 million white people in Europe for the goddamned jews. And they themselves cheered and/or helped in, the butchers of 15-20 million white people during WWI, also for the goddamned jews. Why ?? Because their government and their lying preachers told them it was their Christian duty. And even today, virtually all christians are delighted their fathers or grandfathers butchered all those "bad" white people, and are perfectly willing themselves, to fight and finance even more jew wars and butcher a billion more gentiles in the middle east, without anymore hesitation or remorse than their fathers and grandfather had.

[Walter E. Kurtz]

Originally Posted by Mike Riggins

You won't see any of these Christian bashers ever top a rally like that. I bet they all still celebrate Christmas though. Nice find Pator Visser.

BULLSHIT!













See the Capitol dome in the background? Well, on August 24, 2002, Dr. Pierce's National Alliance organized a march of about 500 on the lawn of that Capitol building. No hooded, xtian klan members anywhere to be seen. Whatever happened to your glorious xtian klan on that recent event?

Oh, and BTW, the newly appointed (as of August 2002) Chairman of the NA, Erich Gliebe, was nowhere to be found at the march that day!!!!!

[White Will]

I posted this (unformatted) ramble on the "fumagation" thread, but it's more appropriate here:
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Originally Posted by Jim Crowe
I myself am an athiest and have big problems with christianity, especially the egalitarian aspect of it. But I wouldn't want to ban a white racialist who happens to be christian. I believe a lot of klan members are christian.

Actually that's not my point. There's nothing wrong with having a hardline core or standard. VNN is certainly one of the most hardcore WN sites there is. My point was that during the 3 years that I've been on here, Linder always described this forum as a "free speech" forum. If only speech that is allowed is a very narrowly defined ideology, then fine but it should not be labeled as free speech. I'm always of the viewpoint that political speech should not be censored. I just have a visceral reaction to it.

Thank you for your reply, Jim.

I'd be the last to deny you your freedom to express yourself. I would prefer you state why you consider yourself an atheist, why you reject Xianity rather than why you think we rational "non-believers" should play patty-cake with the irrational, hostile "believers." Is it just that you have come to embrace the Rodney King school of revolutionary thought?: "why can't we all just get along?" I see a lot of that here at VNNF. What a lovely, special plan that is.

What I'm saying is that those who hold that Nature-based hard line on race that you acknowledge should have their own counsels, their own places to build consensus among themselves without interference from the Bible-thumpers and cross lighters that you seem to put such stock in. The Ku Klux Klan? Give me a break, Jim. They can have their Jesus-lovin' cross lightings free from those of us who prefer an approach that's grounded in REALITY. Should we not be accorded the same by them? For a while we had VNNF as a near refuge from them, but no more.

Where is our gathering place now? It's not on atheist Web sites because atheists are not race-thinkers; they simply do not believe in the other fellow's spooks. They pretty much believe in nothing. "Atheist" is another derogatory Jew buzzword which I'll never stoop to use to describe either myself or my comrades.

We used to have Dr. Pierce's National Alliance with it's Cosmotheistic spiritual aspect, and, though it had its flaws, was building nicely into a monolithic movement apart from the hymn-singing herd. We were not allied with "the movement," as represented by VNN and Stormfront and anyone else that welcomes in incompatible elements that disrupt and undermine cohesion, solidarity.

One of the first things stumblebum bullies Gliebe/Walker did after hijacking NA, however, was to remove those five pages from the National Alliance Membership Handbook (p.46-51) that addressed Xianity as an ideology in direct opposition to that of our Alliance's. They removed that which had held us together, that set us apart. They decided their way was better than our Founder's. Those who went along with this and defended the betrayers of what was arguably Dr. Pierce's most important policy, no matter how long they did so -- but the longer, the worse -- should hang their heads in shame for that dishonorable decision to go along to get along.

Gliebe/Walker became my enemy by that reprehensible, unilateral decision alone. Others thought this move was smart, that it would bring in more supporters with a Xian-friendly outreach. Did it?

Roper did the same with his White Revolution, as did Strom/Gaede & Co. with their National Vanguard; then Nationalist Coalition followed suit. Now, I suspect, this latest splinter of a splinter of a splinter incarnation, European Americans United, follows the same big tent approach rather than fall back and regroup around the remnant that stubbornly holds to Dr. Pierce's hard line vanguard approach. Why didn't these erstwhile Alliance members just join the Counsel of Conservative Citizens and build that up rather than mirror CoCC with yet another Xian-friendly conservative umbrella group? What differentiates Gliebe's "new" NA from CoCC now?

I believe Gliebe has joined with Dr. Pierce's most bitter rival, Willis Carto, to some extent. Try to imagine Dr. Pierce's opinion of such a drastic compromise of his hard won, fundamental principle. That's right, it's unimaginable.

What's lacking today is Dr. Pierce's approach. The Jew Bible, worship of the imaginary Abrahamic god and of his mythical bastard son, has no place in a serious White resistance movement that focuses on near absolute Jew control of our so-called Judeo-Xian civilization. There is no such thing as "positive Xianity"; not for our purposes there's not. Xianity is an opposed ideology. Period! It's Jewish at its core. How can we reasonaby expect to de-judaize our kinsmen by feeding them thin Judaic pabulum rather than the rare red meat of strict racial loyalty that they need for nourishment?

Mr. Linder can have his experimental free speech forum. But eventually those here who don't care to associate with pimply-faced anonymous cybernazis, outmoded and hostile Xian Kluckers, Xian Identity nutcases, and "judeo-Xians" -- those like us who left the NA AND VNN in disgust -- because of this revoltingly disastrous "big tent of unity" with the Vastor Pissers of the world, pissing on us, telling us how we'll burn in Jewish hell if we don't take his pale kike on a stick into our hearts, or whatever -- we will regroup. We will do so around our hard line core standard and put the conehead Kluckers in our rearview mirrors once and for all. "No Xians or Jews allowed" will be the implicit standard, as the explicit "No Jews Allowed" set the NSDAP apart from the Social Democrats' (SPD) and communists' that were competing for support of the German people's hearts and minds in 1920 - 1930s Germany.

It's not just the vocal Kluckers and Xian "Nazis" who will be ineligible, but known, incorrigible subversives/smear artists like Commander ASSWIPE and Co., Tubby Covington & Co., etc., styling themselves as National Socialist leaders. How in hell can anything be built with these psychotic, constitutional liars and shit disturbers in our midst? It ain't going to happen, Jim.

Mr. Linder has created a Frankenstein monster by insisting on throwing together two entirely contradictory world views, two insoluble elements; Xian patriots who worship the Jew's tribal god (oil) with hardline biological race-fighters (vinegar) and expecting "unity" of thought and purpose. This thread makes that point in spades. I have to thank Mr. Linder for allowing me to say that here. He has banned me for saying these things before. He may ban me again.

The fact is, Bible-believers must accommodate themselves to our a strict Race First ideology because we will never join with their nonsensical, antithetical ideology that "we are the true Jews of the Bible and Yahweh will save us." That's no better than the screwy evangelical "end times" crowd, the crazy white Xian Zionists who worship everything Judaic and deny our race.

[Mike Riggins]

Originally Posted by Colonel Kurtz

BULLSHIT!













See the Capitol dome in the background? Well, on August 24, 2002, Dr. Pierce's National Alliance organized a march of about 500 on the lawn of that Capitol building. No hooded, xtian klan members anywhere to be seen. Whatever happened to your glorious xtian klan on that recent event?

Oh, and BTW, the newly appointed (as of August 2002) Chairman of the NA, Erich Gliebe, was nowhere to be found at the march that day!!!!!

Dr. Pierce never was found at a rally either. Again rallies are for hobbyist. I bet there were many Christians at that rally. Nice try, so when will you have a rally in DC with all Christian haters that are pro white. How many people will show up. Show me a rally that isn't over 5 years old next time.

[Walter E. Kurtz]

Originally Posted by Mike Riggins

Dr. Pierce never was found at a rally either. Again rallies are for hobbyist. I bet there were many Christians at that rally. Nice try, so when will you have a rally in DC with all Christian haters that are pro white. How many people will show up. Show me a rally that isn't over 5 years old next time.

Show me an xtian rally that isn't about 80 years old!!! Whatever happened to the xtian klan? Answer: extinct, and hobbled by the ideology of xtianity itself. Self-defeated.

[Mike Riggins]

Originally Posted by Colonel Kurtz

Show me an xtian rally that isn't about 80 years old!!! Whatever happened to the xtian klan? Answer: extinct, and hobbled by the ideology of xtianity itself. Self-defeated.

Show me one National Alliance rally that Dr. Peirce attended. I will take one at any age. Fact is rallies are for hobbyist whether they be Christian or non christian. You are self defeated in all your negativity. You are one of the hobbyist Dr. Pierce warned everyone about.

[Aryan Lord]

Originally Posted by 6KILLER

My sources are that I have a Masters Degree in history and have studied this subject for many years. There are many books and published articles that have covered this subject if you are truly interested I could list them, but I believe you to be too illiterate and lazy to read them.

I asked you what your sources were not your qualifications! Do try and read my actual words not what you think I may have written!

[Aryan Lord]

Originally Posted by 6KILLER

No, I'm a descendant of the Counts of Penthiever, the same people who killed Crassus and his son at Carrhae, held the center of the line at Chalon and kicked the shit out of Atilla, captured and raped Charlemagne's sister Gisele producing Roland, and later defeated the Saxons at Senlac and Tivy. Please do tell me of your illustrious lineage, jewisto.

I see so you are a descendant of a Count, have a Masters degree in History[which ZOG university was that?] and 7 children[which you had DNA tested because you were unsure of whether you were their father], what else?
You are full of shit xristling!

[Walter E. Kurtz]

Originally Posted by Mike Riggins

. Fact is rallies are for hobbyist whether they be Christian or non christian. You are self defeated in all your negativity. You are one of the hobbyist Dr. Pierce warned everyone about.

So, were all the SturmAbteilung marches in pre-Third Reich Germany also for "hobbyists"? Face it coward, marches are for White patriots who are unafraid to show their faces in public and to stand publicly for what they believe. I believe it's called "courage of your convictions". And so, who the fuck are you again? Just another anonymous, Internets typist? Who's the hobbyist now, Mr. Anonymous?

[Mike Riggins]

Originally Posted by Colonel Kurtz

So, were all the SturmAbteilung marches in pre-Third Reich Germany also for "hobbyists"? Face it coward, marches are for White patriots who are unafraid to show their faces in public and to stand publicly for what they believe. I believe it's called "courage of your convictions". And so, who the fuck are you again? Just another anonymous, Internets typist? Who's the hobbyist now, Mr. Anonymous?

Anyone with the name Colonel Kurtz is a hobbyist. Are you saying that Dr. Pierce was a coward for not attending your marches. You are not going to recruit with all negativity. I made a simple point that we can work with Christians. Some members of the Order were also Christian BTW. Ron Paul is also a Christian. You can not lump every Christian in the same category.