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Old August 13th, 2005 #1
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Homeschooling Can Take a Lot Less Time Than You Think

Home & Family: Parenting Many parents think homeschooling would take too much time. Actually, most home-schooling parents only spend about 3 to four hours a day homeschooling their kids.

The time you will need to teach your children the essentials — reading, writing, and arithmetic — is much less than you think. Let me quote author and former public-school teacher John Gatto from his wonderful book, Dumbing Us Down:

“Were the colonists geniuses? [i.e., why did our colonial forefathers have literacy rates close to 90 percent?]. No, the truth is that reading, writing, and arithmetic only take about 100 hours [italics added] to transmit as long as the audience is eager and willing to learn. . . . Millions of people teach themselves these things. It really isn’t very hard. . .”

To be conservative, let’s assume that because you’re not an experienced teacher it takes you three hundred hours to teach your child these skills with the help of learn-to-read phonics workbooks and computer software. Three hundred hours, divided by the average six-hour public school day, comes out to fifty school days, which is about ten weeks or three months.

Let me emphasize this point — it could take you, or a tutor you pay, as little as three months to teach your child to read, write, and do simple arithmetic. Again, to be even more conservative, most children could learn these skills in one year if you (or a tutor) concentrated your instruction on these basics. Public schools take eight to twelve years of children’s lives, yet they turn out millions of high-school graduates who can barely read their own diploma or multiply 12x15 without a calculator.

David Colfax and his wife Micki were public-school teachers turned ranchers who taught their four sons at home in the 1970s and 1980s, and three of their sons eventually went to Harvard. They co-authored a book titled Homeschooling For Excellence, which describes their home-schooling experience. In their book, they compared the time a child wastes in public school to the time average home-schooling parents need to teach their children the basics. Here’s what they wrote:

“The numbers are straightforward and irrefutable. The child who attends public school typically spends approximately 1100 hours a year there, but only twenty percent of these —220— are spent, as the educators say, ‘on task.’ Nearly 900 hours, or eighty percent, are squandered on what are essentially organizational matters.”

“In contrast, the homeschooled child who spends only two hours per day, seven days a week, year-round, on basics alone, logs over three times as many hours ‘on task’ in a given year than does his public school counterpart. Moreover, unlike the public school child, whose day is largely taken up by non-task activities, the homeschooled child has ample time left each day to take part in other activities — athletics, art, history, etc...”

So, according to the authors, if home-schooled children study for only two hours a day, year round, they will get three times more educational hours on academic basics like reading, writing, and arithmetic than public-school students get.

Not only does teaching your child the basics at home take far less time than you thought, but teaching these skills is even easier today because parents now have all the educational resources available to them that we’ve already noted. Also, bookstores like Barnes and Noble and Borders have whole sections full of books about teaching your child to read, write, and do basic math, as well as books that will interest and challenge young readers.

Once your children learn to read well, the whole world of learning opens to them. They can explore any subject that interests them, and read ever more difficult material by themselves in books or on the computer. For a small subscription fee, your children can study the entire Encyclopedia Britannica on the Internet. They can access almost every major library in the world through the Internet, including the Library of Congress. If your kids love to read and learn, the Internet provides unlimited resources.

Once your children read fluently, you can point them towards your local library or bookstore, supervise their studies, and see where their interests lie. Your job is to introduce your kids to as many different subjects and resources as possible. Have them take art classes at the local YMCA, library, or arts and crafts store. Introduce them to different kinds of music. See if they enjoy a music lesson on the piano, guitar, or drums. Give them classic novels by great authors to read.

Most home-schooling parents spend about three to four hours a day homeschooling their kids. The key point to remember is that you have many options and a vast amount of educational resource material available to help you homeschool your children and quickly teach them the basics. When you take advantage of this material, home-schooling can be fairly easy and take much less time than you think.

Joel Turtel is an education policy analyst, and author of “Public Schools, Public Menace: How Public Schools Lie To Parents and Betray Our Children." Contact Information: Website: http://www.mykidsdeservebetter.com, Email: [email protected], Phone: 718-447-7348. Article Copyrighted © 2005 by Joel Turtel.
 
Old December 27th, 2005 #2
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“The numbers are straightforward and irrefutable. The child who attends public school typically spends approximately 1100 hours a year there, but only twenty percent of these —220— are spent, as the educators say, ‘on task.’ Nearly 900 hours, or eighty percent, are squandered on what are essentially organizational matters.”
This is an excellent point. The great bulk of time in public school is wasted on overhead. I know this from my own experience that so little time is spent 'on subject'.

The one thing that authors like this always seem to overlook is the fantastic potential for computer driven learning. For rote subjects, such as arithmetic , spelling, grammar, history and geography what could be better than a computer. The computer has infinite patience and can produce endless learning sets in any subject. Even reading can be taught by computer with voice sythesis capability. A computer could be the greatest tool that home schoolers ever have had. Coupled with other learning aids, homeschooling could rocket beyond all conventional classroom instruction.

I don't think that even 1% of this potential has been explored.






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My wife is home schooling. The behavior change has been on an upswing ever since.
Kids in school learn how to act like kids because they're surrounded by them all day. Being home schooled they act more mature because they're parents(adults) are with them all day. The peer pressure to act a certain way in order to get along with whatever group they're hanging around with is gone.
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My wife is home schooling. The behavior change has been on an upswing ever since.
Kids in school learn how to act like kids because they're surrounded by them all day. Being home schooled they act more mature because they're parents(adults) are with them all day. The peer pressure to act a certain way in order to get along with whatever group they're hanging around with is gone.
Agreed. With homeschooling, gone are the popularity contests, the worry about gangs/drugs in the school. You can concentrate solely on what's important...the knowledge. Take away the pc bias, teach them truth and facts rather than "can't offend anyone" opinions.

Does anyone know of a site that lists homeschooling requirements by state? I know some states require you keep a lesson plan and turn it in. Others leave you entirely to your own devices.
 
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Does anyone know of a site that lists homeschooling requirements by state? I know some states require you keep a lesson plan and turn it in. Others leave you entirely to your own devices.
This site covers that question quite well.
http://www.hslda.org/laws/default.asp

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... There is also a potential for 'micro schools' where a couple of home schooling parents take a dozen or so children and have them learn cooperatively. If the students were all white, the synergistic boost to learning would be very significant.
This is already in place to a degree. The home schoolers work in a support group amongst themselves. The place that supplies the books and other supplies offers classes for subjects that are cost prohibitive for just one or two kids.
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Old November 22nd, 2006 #6
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We don't homeschool the grandkids, but they are in a good rural school that still teaches. I was their preschool, and both went to school far ahead of the other kids. Grandson is in 4th grade and he remains 1 1/2 - 2 years ahead of nearly all of his classmates. My grandson is not gifted. I just spend a lot of time teaching him. I use the summers to accelerate the kids, and I supplement what the school teaches them and debrief them when appropriate. The teacher mentioned Hitler. We had a home discussion of Hitler. Recently the teacher had a unit on plains indians. We had a home discussion on indians, especially the commanche. "Ride The Wind" is an excellent description of how the commanche waged war, and it was written by a decendent of the mixed breed chief Quanah Parker for her masters program. Martin Luther King. Home supplement. Grandson told his second grade classs his real name, how he cheated to get his Doctorate, and how he was a communist. I held the best back for later.

The grandkids attend a good school. The principal loves me and most of the teachers do. However, this morning grandson was telling how he has to work in group projects with slower kids.

There is a black in the class. "He doesn't do anything, grandpa. I have to do all of the writing. I think she just puts us together so we will learn to get along." Pretty astute for a fourth grader. In kindergarten and first grade the same black boy bullied my grandson. I put grandson in Tae Kwon Do. Somewhere around the Blue Belt the black began wanting to be grandson's friend. Now grandson has the highest level Brown Belt, and the black boy accepts him as dominant both academically and physically. It irritates me that my grandson is being held back by slower student, but the boy is learning that he is far advanced to some. He is really irritated that he got an -A because another kid wouldn't do anything and just kept talking. I do believe that the system is creating another National Socialist; the exact opposite of it intention. Funny how people sometimes get the exact opposite of what they seek.
 
Old January 15th, 2006 #7
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My wife is home schooling. The behavior change has been on an upswing ever since.
For centuries, children didn't attend a school, they learned at home next to the loom and the anvil. The institutional school worked marginally well, before a PC agenda was forced on the students and teachers ( prior to integration, also ).

Now, with the advent of computers and satellites, the potential for home schooled children is virtually unlimitted. This is an area that needs to be expanded as much as possible. There is also a potential for 'micro schools' where a couple of home schooling parents take a dozen or so children and have them learn cooperatively. If the students were all white, the synergistic boost to learning would be very significant.
 
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Such a beautiful Aryan family living off the grid!

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But these 'beautiful Aryans' are shoveling another type of Jewish crap into the heads of their children, namely that of Christianity.
 
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The case is very compelling when looking at the numbers that were offered up by one of the first reply posts. If you can give your kids 2/3 hours subject time every day then your child gets more hours by a long way than a kid at school.

Now all the kids for access to the internet via tablet, phone laptop etc so the argument is how much time on a device is good for a child? What does a child miss in a social sense from just being around adults?

Kids all learn things at different ages and at different rates. Not all kids start walking at 10 months and 15 days, so as a parent how are we to know when our child is ready to learn, say writing. Is it just that we give them the opportunity by reading with them and drawing letters and by themselves they will find a way... or is it just download some app that teaches kids to write and have them play that several times a week.

Do we as home schoolers give the computer more value than spending quality time with our kids? Surely kids will want to play games and such on a device not learn, how does one control that?
 
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The case is very compelling when looking at the numbers that were offered up by one of the first reply posts. If you can give your kids 2/3 hours subject time every day then your child gets more hours by a long way than a kid at school.
HS do more real teaching in FEWER hours than PS do in MORE hours. This is because the real motive of PS isn't teaching but controlling. Genuine instruction in the basics takes 100 hours. That's all. From there you can self-teach. Of course, many will have much more to HS, but that's all that's required to get across the 3Rs, which takes PS years to do.

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Now all the kids for access to the internet via tablet, phone laptop etc so the argument is how much time on a device is good for a child? What does a child miss in a social sense from just being around adults?
The kid misses nothing. Bad habits come from peers, not adults. In school, they're only around their own age. What's best for them is to be around all ages. HS are better socialized than PS - in direct contradiction of PS claims coming from the NEA.

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Kids all learn things at different ages and at different rates. Not all kids start walking at 10 months and 15 days, so as a parent how are we to know when our child is ready to learn, say writing. Is it just that we give them the opportunity by reading with them and drawing letters and by themselves they will find a way... or is it just download some app that teaches kids to write and have them play that several times a week.
I would think by working with them you'll be able to tell when they're ready. Or ask them. Read to them, soon enough they should be showing interest. Teach the letters and the sounds they make. Why not work all ways, no need for just one. But phonics should be included. The key is the association of the letter with the sound(s) it makes. That's the code they need to grasp to learn to read. Once they have it they can "sound out" new words.

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Do we as home schoolers give the computer more value than spending quality time with our kids? Surely kids will want to play games and such on a device not learn, how does one control that?
Computers are good for rote stuff. Like learning vocabulary and such. Limit kids by doing what your parents did re tv, telling you it's a nice day, go play outdoors. Christ, we were hardly allowed to watch tv at all. Not being allowed to watch tv will turn marginal kids into readers, which is good. As for tablets and stuff, if you're going to own these, it's harder to keep them away from kids, I suppose.
 
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Do we as home schoolers give the computer more value than spending quality time with our kids? Surely kids will want to play games and such on a device not learn, how does one control that?
You control it by doing your duty as a parent. You teach them that the computer/internet is there as a learning tool. You teach them that if they get cyber bullied, there is an off switch and that they should use it. Always remember, you are the parent, so its up to you to teach them that tv and facebook are not real life, that the world does not revolve around having 10,000 friends on facebook.
 
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This is a classic technique of 'guilt by association'.

They bring up the Turpins, who were horribly abusing their children (one of whom attended a school out in the world for a time btw), and then tie that in with a look at the 'Institute in Basic Life Principles', a cult which mistreats its members.

...Therefore, since some people abuse a right or privilege, the right or privilege should be revoked for all perhaps, is the line of thinking.


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42701297


Instead of this, they could easily do a compare and contrast with public schools, citing the rapes, the brutality, the inability to read or do basic math, and the inability to control what is taught to the child. My guess is far more kids are harmed in public education than home based education.

These people also believe the System can raise a child better than their own parents, and advocate for things like 'Parental Licenses'. Since some idiots make bad parents, the State will decide if you get a 'license' or not.

....And yet one look at the kids who come out of State care would show you how logical that is.

I think these kids look well cared for, and well educated. They are part of a home schooling community in Santa Barbara. They don't want to feature a family like this for their smear stories, though.

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