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YouTube- Japan Military Shotokan Karate Police Shotokan--very different from the normal Shotokan of the dojos. |
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Who the hell is going to be walking around with a sword? This smacks of juvenile fantasy.
Anyway, European fencing is the best civilian sword art. The Katana and it's method of delivery (slash) is slower and has lesser reach than the rapier. That's because the Katana wielding swordsman was trying to penetrate armor. European civilian swordfighting evolved under conditions of no-armor--thus speed was of the upmost importance. And if we're talking about PRACTICAL weapon-bases martial arts--escrima is the most useful. I agree with the person that said Shotokan is a very good unarmed fighting style--IF you plan to stay with it long term. It's very good, but it has a steep learning curve. If you want to pick up something that's not so comprehensive, but useful at an earlier stage, learn boxing. |
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Factoid: Did you know that swords don't cut through armor? They weren't designed to. Least of all the japanese sword. They were used to cut around the armor, behind knees, under the arms, beneath the rims of helms or under neck protections, beneath maile skirts, etc. This was as true in japan as it was in europe. The sword was never intended nor used as a primary battlefield weapon. It was a sidearm to be used when spears and polearms were broken or lost. |
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A thrust to the neck relies on alot more accuracy making the percentage chance of the survival of your attacker/enemy alot higher. As for the body, (unless you are going for specif arteries that are easily exposed) a thrusting motion would be more beneficial because of the higher odds of penetrating and puncturing vital organs.
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I have seen several instances of a fencer beating a kendoka. The fencer is just too fast. People don't like to admit that kendo is slower because they've invested all this time in learning it--but it's just not as good for civilian combat as fencing. But yes, it's still very good.
And the katana was in fact used for cutting armor. Many of the innovations in Japanese armor were made due to the the swords cutting the numerous ties that hold the lamellar armor in place. These ties run all over the armor--not just the legs and joints. Later on the Japanese adapted superior European plate armor. A sword never could cut ANY part of full plating--joints or otherwise. In fact, duels often degenerated into wrestling matches. Full plate was the cause for the shift to more bludgeoning type weapons--or weapons designed specifically for piercing--such as the 'estoc'. But none of these are useful in a practical sense. Some people enjoy doing it as a hobby and that's fine. |
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And I'm not sure why you're promoting spears--if you read my last post, you'll see I said swords are impractical. The Japanese didn't usually use swords for war--they used yari(spear) and yumi(bow). The sword was a secondary weapon. The best thing to do today is carry a knife and learn escrima. |
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Also, unless civilian wear of swords is making a comeback, any discussion of dueling forms is flight of fancy. So why not consider a spear? They're not called "the king of weapons" for nothing. The last sentence is agreeable, except that I'd include 'large handgun' and substitute 'knife' for 'machete'. |
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I'm talking about right now though. And yes, the spear is king of the battlefield--absolutely. |
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Machetes worked well for the Hutu, should for us.
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Edged Weapons - Cutting vs. Thrusting
On the farthest edge of the cutting side of this question is the chinese dadao. What's essentially a sword-shaped viking axe. A mass-market true reproduction has never existed, actually, they've never existed at any price. Only D. Guertin used to make some, but closed up like eight years ago. ... I've owned the earlier model hanwei dadao and found it to be a well-tempered and serviceable blade, great geometry and taper, but a bit too thin for combat or really hard shocks; nothing so far that could be called a true reproduction. However, they just updated the design. They just doubled the blade thickness. Doubled it. And assuming the use of distal taper and heat-treatment is kept consistent (hanwei QC is easily 10x what it was four years ago), it'd not be speaking too soon to say the day has finally come. Being a firm proponent of the cut, hell yes, I'm buying one.
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With many swords both techniques can work.. the thrust opens you up more to counter attack, but it can be more deadly
In JKD (I teach it) we normally stay "outside" and cut.. you know even with a sword the cut can be just as effective as a thrust.. if your opponent exposes his wrist and you take it off with a cut, that's pretty debilitating, right there With a short blade.. a lot more realistic in normal times..cuts are the only way to go.. watch these
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Cold Steel makes that DaDao. I've handled them but they were too heavy, unbalanced and had too much handle vs blade for my taste. Would make a superb brush cutter/tool though, which I see as it's primary modern purpose..
Out of my large medieval collection (which includes mail and helmets, shields and many weapons types) if called to use them in some fantasy scenario my favorite swords are (two handed) my Scottish War Sword, (I'm kneeling with it in my avatar) which is a shorter, lighter, faster Claymore but with a nice point and is not too heavy to be used one handed for a short time, and (for one hand use) my Damascus Viking sword.. 2 lbs and lightning fast, can be wielded for a long time.. I like it much better than any of my Katanas In reality (back to Earth) my choice for combat would be one of my Ontario Blackie Collins machetes (they can take amazing abuse) and or my Junglee short sword, which is 1 lb and razor sharp AUS8 stainless. The Junglee is a better overall weapon and the machete is a better tool. The machete is a LOT cheaper and can take a razor edge as well as being able to drop small trees, I've cut through a 10 inch red alder in 10 minutes with one! Ontario machete. I keep an oiled Stihl flat chainsaw file (fits my 066 magnum chainsaw too) in the sheath for sharpening: Junglee Short Sword.. comes with a sturdy Kydex sheath. Mine is hanging with my recon pack
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Having said that the difference is (if you learn Kali style techniques and also use some fencing footwork) your chances of taking hits will be reduced to the same level that your damage potential increases. We stay outside if possible and "defang the snake" with debilitating cuts. That is a good thing
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The sword is the queen.. they were almost always a backup weapon (Great swords aside) In a medieval situation my primary weapon would be a longbow, then a good 6 to 7 foot spear, then an appropriate sword
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Both dadao shown in my pictures are made by hanwei, if you missed that part. But in that most modern people inappropriately view swords as just large knives or machetes, you're correct. They better stay with machetes.
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Nothing wrong with a well sharpened machete for our inexperienced brothers.. they can do the job.. just watch that follow-through and where you aim, it should be away from (your) anatomy A great way to learn how to use a machete is brush clearing.. wear leather gloves and keep the free hand clear of the blade, wear heavy leather boots, start out slow and stop working before you get tired is my best advice there. Also have a real med kit handy
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