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Old May 4th, 2011 #1
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What is National Socialism?

Basically it amounts to society as an entity, pursuing a future, or fulfilling a destiny, as a people - as opposed to an atomized collection of individuals, pursuing purely private ends.

The entity is racial or national in basis, rather than ideological or propositional. The people are an extended family, and the state is a vehicle for looking out for their interests. Although there may be plenty of individual freedom for members of the folk, individuals are not allowed to undermine the collective in pursuit of private profit or private ideology.

Where can I get an undistorted explanation of National Socialist philosophy?

1) The best source is the NS themselves. Leftist Randolph Bytwerk maintains a 'German Propganda Archive' of translated NS materials. Spend a few hours reading through this propaganda and you will have a solid understanding of the NS worldview.

2) Hadding Scott, formerly of William Pierce's National Alliance, an American NS-based political group, maintains a blog called National-Socialist Worldview that "[examines] issues pertaining to the origin, theory, history, and application of national-socialism and national-socialist ideas."
 
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This thread is a great idea. The economic basis of National Socialism is greatly neglected. The Jews hate Hitler for his economic policies not his killing of the supposed 6 million Jews. The central basis of the National Socialist Party was:"The abolition of income unearned by work.". This didn't sit well with New York Jews. Hitler made all Germans into millionaires in a few short years then pissed it all away on the stupid invasion of Russia.
 
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Well, people, feel free to post any questions that occur to you. I am not an expert on NS, no matter how many times I'm called a Nazi, but I have and am continuing to learn about them and the philosophy. So this thread will evolve, and I will edit as I see fit, possibly start-copy a new "perfect" thread" so the browser can read and concentrate without chatter-interference.
 
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What is National Socialism?

Basically it amounts to society as an entity, pursuing a future, or fulfilling a destiny, as a people - as opposed to an atomized collection of individuals, pursuing purely private ends.

The entity is racial or national in basis, rather than ideological or propositional. The people are an extended family, and the state is a vehicle for looking out for their interests. Although there may be plenty of individual freedom for members of the folk, individuals are not allowed to undermine the collective in pursuit of private profit or private ideology.

Where can I get an undistorted explanation of National Socialist philosophy?

1) The best source is the NS themselves. Leftist Randolph Bytwerk maintains a 'German Propganda Archive' of translated NS materials. Spend a few hours reading through this propaganda and you will have a solid understanding of the NS worldview.

2)Hadding Scott, formerly of William Pierce's National Alliance, an American NS-based political group, maintains a blog called National-Socialist Worldview that "[examines] issues pertaining to the origin, theory, history, and application of national-socialism and national-socialist ideas."
Maybe I'm high but isn't Hadding Scott a VNN no-no?

http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=127252
 
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Maybe I'm high but isn't Hadding Scott a VNN no-no?

http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=127252
I can't speak to your highness, your B-ness, but no, Hadding is not a no-linker. Hadding does not lie, I banned him here because in my view that banning was good for Whites, and the best way to handle the Steele thread. I will let him back on here at a certain point, assuming he wishes to return, which is up to him.
 
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I can't speak to your highness, your B-ness, but no, Hadding is not a no-linker. Hadding does not lie, I banned him here because in my view that banning was good for Whites, and the best way to handle the Steele thread. I will let him back on here at a certain point, assuming he wishes to return, which is up to him.
K sorry, didn't mean to throw the thread off topic. <initiating downward cast humbled look>
 
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I agree, this is a great idea. As someone who would like to gain a better grasp of the subject, let me ask you Alex What you don't like about National Socialism. Before I delve into those links, which I assume paint an unblemished picture of NS, I'd like to hear what you consider to be the "chinks in the armor" of this philosophy.
 
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I think Alex explained it.

He is still learning about it and probably has not made a decision about it yet. As am I. It is an utter pariah of a subject on most forums.

I am grateful that Alex is allowing this thread area to exist. I am a pretty big newbie when it comes to the inner ideas and actual workings of National Socialism.I think I know the basics.

This would be a great place to learn more about it. Obviously the current systems of governance are failures. I am willing to give NS a chance as I see little other alternatives at the moment.

Thanks Alex for the links. It is time for me to learn more.
 
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Stop being contrite or apologetic, I know I'm crabby these days, but I still have the old spirit at heart. This is a starter thread. Say whatever you want, I will end up making a perfect thread when we get to a point.
 
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I agree, this is a great idea. As someone who would like to gain a better grasp of the subject, let me ask you Alex What you don't like about National Socialism. Before I delve into those links, which I assume paint an unblemished picture of NS, I'd like to hear what you consider to be the "chinks in the armor" of this philosophy.
The answer is, I'm not entirely sure, because I'm not fully acquainted with the facts, even though I've read dozens of books. The problem is, any book out of the big jew NYC houses is ALWAYS full of prejudice toward NS, and more often than not, full of outright lies presented as facts. So it's one of the most difficult things to sift through for facts and truth, the only more difficult thing I've found is trying to find the truth or facts about health issues - a true maze with 1,000 doors and "I'm the truth" signs on each one of them.

I have a background in publishing, as a writer/editor, but also as a small businessman. So I have, and even before that had, a very strong anti-government bias, because I know first hand how much money it steals from the truly productive people in this country to subsidize the feckless. Far too many in WN do not have the slightest grasp of basic economics. So, I HAD a bias against Hitler and his preference for statist solutions. BUT, I came across a paper that pointed out that Hitler's Germany was NOT like the USSR - it did NOT create mammoth state corporations or pursue the various tyrannical collectivist solutions the Soviets did. Hitler, after all, sold his own paintings, so he was, in a way, a small businessman too, for a portion of his career. And you can find places he says it is not the job of the government to manage people's private businesses, that is their expertise and right - as long as they are not undermining Germany. He was concerned with the big picture - the raw materials that would be needed to run the war effort, and that was where his people stepped in. Also have to keep in mind that Germany is as big as Oregon and Washington, so when you're talking about a centralized state running things, it's not really equivalent to Washington, D.C., or the USSR.

I like the NS idea of the SS - that idea will be very popular with Whites in the future.

It's not entirely about liking or disliking the Nazis, it's about studying what they did while keeping mind their unique circumstances adn the fact that not all White people are like Germans, so some NS things will not apply. Americans, for example, are not as close-knit as Germans. I think Hitler was more intrusive in his various plans than what Americans would want or need. What we need is a collective racial defense, both internal and external. We don't need a government bent on putting an opera on every corner, as Hitler more or less wanted.

It's a matter of subsidiarity - power and decisions left to and made at the appropriate level by the appropriate party. Men are not ants. They do not need every aspect of their lives decided by a government claiming to operate in their name. Sorting out what Nazis actually did, what they wanted to do, what they would have done, what we should do - not easy. Any theory has to be adapted to the particular people and circumstances in question. My tentative thoughts in that direction are in other forums heres. I see a philosophy that emphasizes BOTH the WHITE (collective) and the MAN (individual). So one can be a full-functioning, honorable MAN in a WHITE (collective) context. That general idea is not hart to understand, and it sounds good, but the devil is in the details. Collective racial defense is a concept that is a good deal more complicated than it might first appear, because it gets into economics and the stuff of daily life - what children are taught. I have not thought it all out, but I have written up my rough ideas. I will continue to expand on these, and I will probably make a Showcase forum here for my personal VNNF all-stars, to tap their wisdom. I've threatened that for years, though, never done it yet.

Because I come from a conservative background, I am aware of just how foolish the vast majority of head-cogitated schemes are, hence reluctant to put out ideas - much better suited to making criticism of the stupidity of others, and recognize and thwarting the latent capacity for stupidity in my own me-topias. If you see what I mean.

But for NS, we can continue to learn. I think I have a basic grasp at this point, but I often find new small surprising things, so I'm certainly not done studying.

Back to economics, I like that Hitler got out of the international IMF-style swindle, but I'm not fan of labor-gang slavery. Hitler happened to be about as honest and uncorrupt as politicians get, but, what most WN do not think about, is that it's just as easy to be corrupt in the name of your race as for any other purpose. It's easy to give contracts to your friends, and call it "saving the race" or whatever the saps will buy. Thus, we cannot ignore the laws the libertarians write about as concerns any political entity - the smaller ANY government is, the less power it has, the less abuse there will be. That's why i think a monofunctional central government is best - an over-layer whose sole concern is racial defense. But as I said, this "defense" is not so simple a thing as it appears, as the collective can be attacked not only militarily, but spiritually, intellectually, health-wise and through the media - and other ways.

So we look at what the Nazis ACTUALLY did. We look at what they MIGHT have done. We look at our own circumstances, and how they compare to theirs, and see where we would be wise to borrow, adapt, or reject. Careful study and thinking are what's called for, that we can avoid mistakes made in the past and do better in the White future.
 
Old May 5th, 2011 #11
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German Idealism

The nineteenth century movement called German Idealism grew from the highly independent character of the Enlightenment in Germany. The main features of the movement were the mind-dependence of reality, the dominance of thought over sensation, universalized ethics, and natural teleology.

Leibniz was an important early influence on the movement through his dedication to ethics and religion and through his doctrine of natural teleology. However, Kant provided the first conceptual framework for German Idealism by securing the priority of mind over nature without endangering the validity of scientific principles.

Kant’s idea of inner freedom became the inspiration for creative genius; the resulting aesthetic-ethical idealism manifested in the work of Lessing, Herder, Goethe, Schiller and many others. However, the absolute reality of nature was equally important to these poets; thus, an absolute consciousness from which the individual consciousness could be deduced was posited to eliminate the unknowable real world of the Kantian system.

Inspired by this turn, German Idealism became Absolute Idealism through the philosophies of Fichte and Schelling. In their systems, the human mind is directly in touch with reality as an individual manifestation of the absolute mind. Absolute Idealism reached its peak with the philosophy of Hegel. Hegel makes the impulse of the absolute mind a gradual and self-determined process, by which the Absolute lifts itself from mere possibility and actuality to conscious, free, and necessary possession. For Hegel, the whole process is timeless, and only to a finite mind does it appear as an endless procession in time and space. Schelling, who coined the term “the Absolute,” disagreed with Hegel’s idea that the Absolute was spirit, preferring to say the Absolute is the identity of subject and object. In the late nineteenth century, German Idealism as Absolute Idealism became influential in British philosophy through the works of Bernard Bosanquet and F. H. Bradley, and in the United States through the works of Josiah Royce.

Schopenhauer’s variant of German Idealism returned to the Kantian separation of the phenomenal world and the world-in-itself. He identified the phenomenal world as pure idea and the world-in-itself as a blind, illogical, aimless impulse with no ethical direction.

German Idealism has affected many fields other than philosophy including the positive sciences, poetry, art, and theology

http://www.iep.utm.edu/germidea/

Nazism, Communism, and American Pragmatism were all derived from German Idealism. (Hegel's dialectical idealism [Platonism] decame the dialectical materialism of Marx).

". . .The abolition of income unearned by work. . ." This is the Labor Theory of Value of Karl Marx, borrowed by the Germans. It had earlier sources-

This concept is derived directly from the Second Epistle of Paul the Apostle (with Silvanus and Timothy) to the Thessalonians, in which Paul writes to the Thessalonians:
εἴ τις οὐ θέλει ἐργάζεσθαι μηδὲ ἐσθιέτω

that is,
If anyone is not willing to work, let him not eat.

American Transcendentalism was base upon German Idealism.

Idealism

>>Idealism is the philosophical theory which maintains that experience is ultimately based on mental activity. In the philosophy of perception, idealism is contrasted with realism, in which the external world is said to have an apparent absolute existence. Epistemological idealists (such as Kant) claim that the only things which can be directly known for certain are just ideas (abstraction). In literature, idealism refers to the thoughts or the ideas of the writer.

In the philosophy of mind, idealism is the opposite of materialism, in which the ultimate nature of reality is based on physical substances. Materialism is a theory of monism as opposed to dualism and pluralism, while idealism might or might not be monistic. Hence, idealism can take dualistic form and often does, since the subject-object division is dualistic by definition. Idealism sometimes refers to a tradition in thought that represents things of a perfect form, as in the fields of ethics, morality, aesthetics, and value. In this way, it represents a human perfect being or circumstance.

Idealism is a philosophical movement in Western thought, but is not entirely limited to the West, and names a number of philosophical positions with sometimes quite different tendencies and implications in politics and ethics; for instance, at least in popular culture, philosophical idealism is associated with Plato and the school of platonism.<< (from Wiki)

Idealism means- the stuff one sees when looking out the window is not reality. Idealism is openly and explicitly based on non-sense.
 
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Where can I get an undistorted explanation of National Socialist philosophy?

The best sources are of course Hitler's own books: Mein Kampf and Second Book, although they require several re-readings to understand fully. I also recommend Table Talks, a tome which I am currently reading.
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.......So, I HAD a bias against Hitler and his preference for statist solutions. BUT, I came across a paper that pointed out that Hitler's Germany was NOT like the USSR - it did NOT create mammoth state corporations or pursue the various tyrannical collectivist solutions the Soviets did....
Truth be know, Lenin's "New Economic Plan" allowed for small businesses and farmers to sell their crops and keep a profit.

It was Stalin (after Lenin's death) who went wild with central planning and government collectivization plans.

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Alex, Hadding and Will Williams are two of the best minds on National Socialism and what it means for us today. If they cannot post comments on their own, the next best thing is to allow them to go through me. It will be no secret that much of what I will say on National Socialism will originate from either Will or Hadding, so I may as well be upfront about it.[/QUOTE]

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Well, people, feel free to post any questions that occur to you. I am not an expert on NS, no matter how many times I'm called a Nazi, but I have and am continuing to learn about them and the philosophy. So this thread will evolve, and I will edit as I see fit, possibly start-copy a new "perfect" thread" so the browser can read and concentrate without chatter-interference.
Someone many years ago had this published in the National Alliance Bulletin when Dr. Pierce was still with us. Although somewhat dated, these words are more pertinent today than ever...

Revisionist history has may aspects besides going back
to check the "official" version of events presented by
the victors in a war to see if they are accurate.
Another form of revisionist history is counterfactual
historical analysis: what would have happened if such
and such had been the case instead? This is not simply
Monday-morning Quarterbacking; it is analysis to help
us understand what was at stake in the past and the
significance of the actual outcome, and to offer
guidance for present action and future outcomes.

In this context it is useful and instructive to ask
the counterfactual historical question: What would have
happened if the United States had stayed out of the
Second World War instead of participating on the side
of the Soviet Union, Britain, and China? Quite
simply, Hitler would have won. Britain would have
comes to terms with a National Socialist Europe; the
Soviet Union would have been dismantled, and Russia
would have joined the National Socialist alliance;
Japan would have conquered China; and there would
have been no Red China. Not only that, all of the
European empires, including England's would still
be intact, and there would not be any Third World
immigration fouling up Europe today.


And what about the good, old USA? We would have
been attacked neither by National Socialist
Europe nor by Japan, and with the National Socialist
influence from Europe instead of the influence of
Communists and Jews, Whites would still rule,
segregation still would be the law, and there
would not be a Mexican invasion going on. These
would have been the most obvious benefits to the
White race of a National Socialist victory.


Instead, they lost, and with them we all lost...
 
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Since the German word is Nationalsozialismus -- one word -- the proper English rendering is National-Socialism, with a hyphen.

"National Socialism" without the hyphen is WRONG. That would be the correct rendering of nationaler Sozialismus. Alfred Rosenberg actually wrote an essay explaining that the NSDAP stood for National-Socialism and not "National Socialism," which, he said, could connote National Marxism.

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So we look at what the Nazis ACTUALLY did. We look at what they MIGHT have done. We look at our own circumstances, and how they compare to theirs, and see where we would be wise to borrow, adapt, or reject. Careful study and thinking are what's called for, that we can avoid mistakes made in the past and do better in the White future.
This is something that I've believed for a long time. I see no reason to disregard something because someone opposing it believes it to be evil.

If it works, use it. If it doesn't exactly fit a specific demographic of people, modify it. If it proves to be a roadblock to the greater goal of racial awareness and nation-building, remove it.

Honestly, I love to see people use the word adapt. It makes me think there's some kind of real intellect going on, instead of the slavish devotion that most people are trained to spout.
 
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This is something that I've believed for a long time. I see no reason to disregard something because someone opposing it believes it to be evil.

If it works, use it. If it doesn't exactly fit a specific demographic of people, modify it. If it proves to be a roadblock to the greater goal of racial awareness and nation-building, remove it.

Honestly, I love to see people use the word adapt. It makes me think there's some kind of real intellect going on, instead of the slavish devotion that most people are trained to spout.
Whites have to get off their knees to the Jew Jesus Christ and look at the real world that is going on around us. Yes, it is true that Whites worshiped this Jew throughout most of our history. My bets are that all of the fighters of the Alamo were Christians. However, they did not repel the Mexicans by prayers, they did it by blood. Of course, they died at the end, but gave time for Sam Houston to finish the job. I doubt if he prayed over it either...at least...until the job was done.
 
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