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Old May 10th, 2012 #81
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Sorry to go off topic on this serious thread, Alex or Varg can delete all the stuff that isn't relevant.
Well that's on me, but I agree: let's keep this thread on Golden Dawn and Greece.

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Old May 10th, 2012 #82
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Worldview: Europe's anger-filled elections are clues for U.S.

In this week's Greek elections, the far-right, ultranationalist Golden Dawn party, whose members perform Nazi salutes at rallies, got 7 percent of the vote and entered Parliament for the first time. Its leader told journalists to stand upon his arrival at a news conference and ejected those who did not.

A sick joke, you say. What's 7 percent? But Golden Dawn's gains are a symbol of a protest vote that fed extremes in Greece and decimated centrist parties, making it impossible to form a government in a country on the edge of economic collapse.

That's a pattern that has emerged in elections across Europe. The center cannot hold, things fall apart, and angry voters, hurting from unemployment and economic distress, migrate to the extremes. Fascism isn't (yet) on the real rise, but governmental paralysis is, at a time when leaders are desperately needed to navigate Europe's economic crises. Europe's failures will be felt here.

So it's a good time to take a look at those European elections, as America enters a campaign season defined by anger. Our centrists, too, are derided by political purists, especially on the right. Meanwhile, Supreme Court-enabled super PACs pour untold millions into attack ads that often incite hatred.

If you want to see where the politics of anger can lead, when the focus is on finding scapegoats rather than solutions, take a look at Europe's election season up close.

In the Netherlands, the anti-Islam, anti-immigration, anti-Europe Freedom Party, led by Geert Wilders, brought the government down last month by pulling out of the governing coalition.

In France, Marine Le Pen's far-right National Front won its highest-ever count, nearly 19 percent, in the first round. Le Pen refused to steer those votes to center-right incumbent Nicolas Sarkozy, whose loss to Socialist Francois Hollande in the second round was fueled by anger over austerity measures. And in principle, Hollande's stress on the need for growth as well as austerity measures is not a bad thing.

But this election was more about anger over economic pain than about the need for better economic policies. It was about hostility to immigration, Euro, the euro, globalization, and change.

Hollande blithely promised a 75 percent tax on the rich, a lower retirement age (in France it's already 62), and retention of the 35-hour workweek. France can't afford any of this, and when the truth comes out, the politics of anger will get another boost.

In Greece, voters boosted the far left and neo-Nazi right. They rejected the two main parties of the center-right and left, who are blamed for harsh austerity measures. The role of kingmaker went to a coalition of leftist parties called Syriza, which got 16 percent and refuses to enter into a coalition with either of the main parties. Thus Greece is rudderless, which increases the chance it will default and exit the euro-zone.

In Serbian elections, driven by anger over high unemployment, voters denied a mandate to either of the two leading parties, and gave the Socialists once led by war criminal Slobodan Milosevic the kingmaker role.

And then there's Russia, where Vladimir Putin was coronated, whoops, I mean sworn in, for his third term as president this week. Putin floated back to power on a sea of oil. But even in Russia, research by a respected think tank indicates widespread anger at the massive corruption under Putin, reflected by the demonstration of tens of thousands in Moscow this week.

Were oil prices to slide, more widespread voter anger would probably surface, even in Russia. But, for now, Putin can continue to survive by dribbling out the revenue from energy resources that Europeans lack.

What's clear from this cascade of elections: Free-floating rage against austerity and elites is ripe for manipulation, especially when leaders prove unable to address the economic roots of that anger. Centrist parties, which have failed so far to rescue their publics from economic distress, are easy targets. Even in France, Hollande's Socialist Party - a party of the mainstream - is being pulled too far left, and its adherents will be even angrier when their dreams can't be met.

Which brings us back to the U.S. election season. In these confused times, when the Republican Party has been taken over by fringe groups that deride a centrist president as a foreigner, a socialist, and a traitor, the compromises that used to make American politics work are impossible.

When Sen. Richard Lugar, a GOP elder and foreign-policy statesman known for his ability to reach across the aisle, was defeated Tuesday in the Indiana Republican primary by tea party conservative Richard Mourdock, it illuminated the current state of our politics. Lugar had criticized Mourdock for his "unrelenting partisan mind-set." His defeat was hastened by a flood of money from ultraconservative groups outside his state. Any remaining vestige of bipartisanship in the Senate will be further diminished.

And yet, the United States is still in a far better position than Europe to assuage voter anger. Serious leaders, not thwarted by ideologues, could find an economic compromise that encourages growth while cutting spending. The failure to do so will only fuel the anger that, at present, is all too often directed not at extremism but at those who try to hold center ground.

If you want a preview of where that will lead, just look at Europe's election season. Look hard.

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Old May 10th, 2012 #83
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The center cannot hold, things fall apart

Really? What center? The piss and wind liberals put at the heart of formerly solid society? Yeah, I forget which vote it was we agreed to let jews steal all our money and open our borders. Then when the inevitable happens, the center, the stuff we all are fake-agreed on, falls apart. Yeah, ok. In fact there never was any center, it was a newspaper-mache job around a big ball of air.
 
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Would still quite like an answer to my question:

Does anyone know how well these guys are connected to the Greek military?

I've heard that they are quite well connected to the police.
 
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When Sen. Richard Lugar, a GOP elder and foreign-policy statesman known for his ability to reach across the aisle, was defeated Tuesday in the Indiana Republican primary by tea party conservative Richard Mourdock, it illuminated the current state of our politics. Lugar had criticized Mourdock for his "unrelenting partisan mind-set." His defeat was hastened by a flood of money from ultraconservative groups outside his state. Any remaining vestige of bipartisanship in the Senate will be further diminished
Lugar is a big-spending, illegal alien-loving old crock. Good riddance.

Lugar Defeated by Tea Party Candidate
By Allan Wall on May 10, 2012 at 8:52pm

Richard Lugar, longtime senator from Indiana, was defeated in the Republican primary by Richard Mourdock, supported by Tea Party elements.

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Roy Beck of Numbers USA had a good analysis of the Lugar defeat:

No matter which Party wins in November, the Indiana Senate seat now held by Richard Lugar should produce far better immigration actions in the future. Democrat primary winner Joe Donnelly has a B+ Career immigration grade in the U.S. House. And the GOP primary victor, Richard Mourdock, filled out the NumbersUSA survey to earn the title of TRUE REFORMER, supporting all 12 of our immigration stances. In addition, the Libertarian primary victor, Andrew Horning, filled out our survey and looks almost as good as Donnelly on immigration...

Finally, the workers of Indiana -- and the country -- will have a U.S. Senator from Indiana who cares about their interests when it comes to immigration...

Like many Senators who serve for many terms, Sen. Lugar was vulnerable to charges that he no longer had a good feel for the needs of his state's voters. ..Indiana Secretary of State Mourdock challenged Lugar in part because of his constant leadership in pushing for amnesties for illegal aliens who have illegally stolen U.S. jobs....Sen. Lugar never met an amnesty he didn't like, voting for amnesties 15 times. ..We rated Sen. Lugar on 85 immigration actions since 1989. When each action was weighted according to the numerical impact, we found that he acted 81% of the time in favor of foreign workers and dependents over the interests of U.S. workers and dependents.That earned him a D-minus over his career, making him the worst Republican in the Senate (Sen. John McCain of Arizona is runner-up)...

Defeated-Sen. Lugar is worst immigration Republican in Senate --both GOP & Dem Indiana primary victors MUCH better Roy Beck, Numbers USA, May 8th, 2012

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Old May 10th, 2012 #86
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The center cannot hold, things fall apart

Really? What center? The piss and wind liberals put at the heart of formerly solid society? Yeah, I forget which vote it was we agreed to let jews steal all our money and open our borders. Then when the inevitable happens, the center, the stuff we all are fake-agreed on, falls apart. Yeah, ok. In fact there never was any center, it was a newspaper-mache job around a big ball of air.
The Second Coming
Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
 
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James' philly.com screed lamenting the rise of the right in Europe by ugly fat kike-ess Trudy Rubin. Like Jerry Rubin:

Posted: Thu, May. 10, 2012, 3:01 AM
Worldview: Europe's anger-filled elections are clues for U.S.

Trudy Rubin, Inquirer Opinion Columnist
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Old May 10th, 2012 #88
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The Second Coming
Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
I wish I believed he was rotting in hell for writing that 'poem.'

The conservative. He sees more deeply. That's why he shakes his head, with infinite knowing sadness.

This poem is popular with conpseudos because its tone is perfect pitch for their pretensions.

Reference to Superhero? check
Things falling apart? check
Something ominous bad on the way? check
Nothing can be done about anything? checkmate
 
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Uh...Stan...it doesnt remind you of that poem, it IS that poem. Certainly the most quoted poem by professional cons in all recorded history.

Pro cons that aren't jews tend to be pseudo-intellectual Irish posers, and dey lubs dem some safe Yeats.
 
Old May 10th, 2012 #90
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So what are the "legit," as in non-Jew friendly nationalist parties currently operating in Europe?

Golden Dawn
Jobbik
NDP

What is that one Bulgarian parties stance on Jews? The one who beat down those Turks not too long ago?

Any others?

The BNP still denounces "Zionism" occasionally, but it otherwise has developed such a philo-semitic bent it seems ridiculous to include them here.

The FPO can no longer be included on this list (if it ever should have been), too bad HC Strache seems like a sharp guy, but sucks up to Jews who bash him for "Making an anti- Semitic remark" which any objective observer would tell you was anything but...

Also gotta shake your head and laugh at Geert Wilders party doing worse with Jews then the friggin Christian Democrats...
 
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Geert is really weird, at least people like the FPO, FN, BNP etc. seem like "real" nationalists who think sucking up to Jews is the way to succeed, Geert really seems to love the kikes.


Of course there seems to be real evidence he is part Jew/gook so...
 
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Would still quite like an answer to my question:

Does anyone know how well these guys are connected to the Greek military?

I've heard that they are quite well connected to the police.

GD does have some support both in the police and military.

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So what are the "legit," as in non-Jew friendly nationalist parties currently operating in Europe?

Golden Dawn
Jobbik
NDP
Golden Dawn and NDP are in my opinion much better than Jobbik, which I don't really like that much, even though they too have some good stuff, like cleaning Hungary of gypos.


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What is that one Bulgarian parties stance on Jews? The one who beat down those Turks not too long ago?
Attaka {National Union Attack}. They too are a little too reactionary and chauvinistic for my taste, although some of their policies, especially regarding turks and gypos I applaud.

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Well we would be getting into smaller NS parties and movements, many of which are banned and which people view as marginal and not having any chance.

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The BNP still denounces "Zionism" occasionally, but it otherwise has developed such a philo-semitic bent it seems ridiculous to include them here.

Yes, they have become a joke.


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The FPO can no longer be included on this list (if it ever should have been), too bad HC Strache seems like a sharp guy, but sucks up to Jews who bash him for "Making an anti- Semitic remark" which any objective observer would tell you was anything but
Yeah typical.

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Also gotta shake your head and laugh at Geert Wilders party doing worse with Jews then the friggin Christian Democrats
Wilders has never had anything to do with real Euro nationalism, he was a zionist front from the very beginning.
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Former Salonika Rabbi: Jews in Greece Are Concerned

Former rabbi of the Jewish community of Salonika, calls on Israel to pressure Greece over neo-Nazi party.


By Elad Benari
First Publish: 5/10/2012, 7:15 AM

Rabbi Mordechai Frizis, formerly the rabbi of the Jewish community of Salonika, Greece, spoke to Arutz Sheva on Wednesday about Greek Jews’ concerns following the election of the neo-Nazi Golden Dawn Party to parliament.

The extreme-right political party, whose logo closely resembles a swastika, received seven percent of the vote, twice the minimum threshold level required to send representatives to parliament, giving them 21 parliament seats out of 300.

The militant, ultra-nationalist, party seeks to restore national pride to Greece and expel foreigners. The party campaigned heavily on an anti-immigrant platform under the slogan "so we can rid this land of filth."

“These are people with swastikas, the Nazi salute, Nazi ideology and they blatantly say they want a new Holocaust,” Rabbi Frizis told Arutz Sheva.

He added, “Many people voted for this party because of the great economic despair. They are basically going back one hundred years and blaming the Jews for the economic situation".

Rabbi Frizis noted that it is not the first anti-Semitic move in Greece, saying, “Last year a neo-Nazi leader in Greece was brought to trial after writing a book in which he announced his desire to destroy the Jewish people and the court acquitted him. We saw two synagogues being torched over the last two years and now this party enters parliament.”

“When I speak with the Jews of Greece I hear that they are concerned,” he added. “They did not expect that their country would agree to such a thing.”

Rabbi Frizis admitted, however, that despite the difficulties, it is not likely that Greek Jews will make aliyah to Israel en masse.

“For the Jews it is difficult to make a decision to immigrate to Israel,” he said. “I, as a religious man, hope everyone will come to Israel, but right now the State of Israel, which has good relations with Greece, needs to pressure the Greek government.”

He added, “When things like this happen all the Jews throughout the world should wake up. It does not only concern the Jews of Greece but it could start a domino effect that will spread to Italy, France and Spain where there are also financial problems. Neo-Nazi parties must not be given legitimacy in Europe.”

On Tuesday, the Central Board of Jewish Communities in Greece issued a statement saying that it believed that "the May 6 election of those nostalgic for fascism and Nazism was a serious blow for Greek democracy."

"We are confident that our fellow citizens, the democratic forces in the Greek Parliament, the media and the spirit and culture of the people will continue to strive to combat racism, intolerance and anti-Semitism," the statement read.

"We all have a duty to preserve our dignity, and preserve the principles of liberty, democracy and humanity," the statement added.

“Right now, Golden Dawn is not coming out against Jews,” said the president of the Greek Jewish community in Salonika. “Instead, it attacks immigrants. Still, there are right-wing extremists, and we need to assess the situation and see how Greece’s democracy will deal with this. There is no reason for worry.”


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GD does have some support both in the police and military.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKdgGSD3awY
This is good news. Win over the fighting men and they may just stand a chance.
 
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It seems like old times again.

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“When things like this happen all the Jews throughout the world should wake up. It does not only concern the Jews of Greece but it could start a domino effect that will spread to Italy, France and Spain where there are also financial problems. Neo-Nazi parties must not be given legitimacy in Europe.”
 
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...84912320120510

A good reuters article, two things caught my attention...the community building stuff really does come across in every article, and this warmed my heart...

"Greek journalists largely avoided covering the party's election campaign. They complained at what they said were efforts to bully reporters at Golden Dawn's first post-election news conference.

Party members ordered journalists to stand to attention for Mihaloliakos and those who refused were expelled."

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"He warned those who "betrayed the motherland" to run scared, banging his clenched fist on the podium, a bodyguard on each side: "We are coming!"

For a handful of Greeks, such images and language seem to be less scary than the reality of austerity and the prospect of being ruled by parties they blame for decades of corruption."

Makes ya think...
 
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“When I speak with the Jews of Greece I hear that they are concerned,” “They did not expect that their country would agree to such a thing.”
Whose country?
 
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As ever, the goddamned kikes attack all parties with the interests of their own people at heart, even those that don't publicly denounce zhidry.... Golden Dawn ought to issue a statement pointing that out.
 
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