|January 21st, 2014||#81|
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May urged to ban Jobbik meeting
The Home Secretary has been urged to stop an extreme Hungarian nationalist party from hosting a gathering in London this weekend.
London Assembly member Andrew Dismore has written to Theresa May demanding that Gabor Vona, the leader of the right-wing party Jobbik, is banned from holding the event.
Mr Vona is meeting members of Greece's Golden Dawn party - who have openly expressed admiration for Adolf Hitler - and the British National Party (BNP) in Holborn, central London, on Sunday, campaign group Hope Not Hate said.
Mr Dismore, who as a Labour MP founded Holocaust Memorial Day and chaired parliament's Joint Committee on Human Rights, told the Jewish News that Jobbik is "the most powerful outwardly fascist political party in Europe".
In his letter to the Home Secretary he said: " I have no doubt that all decent thinking people in London will join with me in demanding that the Home Secretary says 'No to Jobbik' ".
"While I advocate the right to free speech in our society, this must also be balanced against other human rights.
"It is particularly important to note that his event is being held on the eve of Holocaust Memorial Day when the offence of his meeting will be all the more damaging."
Earlier this month BNP leader Nick Griffin told the Associated Press that his party was likely to forge an alliance with the two parties after the European Parliament elections in in May.
Mr Griffin travelled to Athens to support Golden Dawn, which has seen a surge in popularity during the country's financial crisis, following accusations it is a criminal organisation.
The party deny any involvement in frequent street attacks against immigrants and other violence.
|January 22nd, 2014||#82|
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|January 22nd, 2014||#83|
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Illusions about Gábor Vona's trip to London.
01/21/2014 - 22:32
A British politician envisioned political meetings in relation to Gábor Vona's visit to London. The truth is that Jobbik's Prime Minister candidate is holding a forum for Hungarians citizens who emigrated to London.
Andrew Dismore –a London Assembly member - wrote a letter to Theresa May, the British Home Secretary urging her to ban Gábor Vona's event on Sunday – says Itv.com. The article points out that Gábor Vona will meet the representatives of the British National Party as well as the members of the Greek Golden Dawn party, who openly admire Adolf Hitler.
This falsified information was provided by ‘Hope not hate’ who clearly do not represent their ‘true value’ but rather promote hatred. Hopefully their hate campaign will cease to exist.
Mr Vona will hold a forum in the British capital on 26th January and
will not meet any political parties, neither the Greek Golden Dawn, nor the British National Party. The forum will be held in light of the upcoming Hungarian national elections.
|January 23rd, 2014||#84|
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"In no circumstances should anyone reduce the effort or support given to coming BNP activities"
- John Tyndall,
|January 23rd, 2014||#85|
Join Date: Oct 2013
What's the deal with this moron's fascination with Turkey? I mean, Turkey's as cancerous an entity as it gets.
Turkey has been at war, and has conquered, the major part of South-Eastern Europe.
Turkey had always had imperialist views against the whole of Europe.
Turkey finances Islamic institutions and propaganda all over Europe.
Turkish mafia, in cooperation with the Turkish state, fund immigrants and assist them in entering Europe, mainly through Greece.
Turkish civilization is a combination of Islamic backwardness and neo-Western degeneracy.
Turkey is one of the most important allies of the US in the Eurasian territory.
Turkey assisted the US in training the Syrian ''rebels'' and is a declared enemy of Assad, one of the last standing fortresses in the area.
Gabor Vona and Jobbik consider Turkey to be an important ally and a cultural brother to the European Hungarian Nation.
The above algorithm can only lead to the conclusion that Gabor Vona is fucking retarded. Either that or a Trojan Horse, like the millions of Muslim Immigrants who have entered Europe after crossing through Turkish borders.
|January 28th, 2014||#87|
[illegal actions work for the left. you remember to "keep it legal" yourself. cops stand by and do nothing except help the criminals]
Protesters block Jobbik supporters
BNP leader Nick Griffin reportedly has links with Hungarian party Jobbik
Published: 26 January 2014
Supporters of a far-right Hungarian political party were blocked from leaving a Tube station today as anti-fascists protested against their planned rally.
Dozens of protesters gathered outside Holborn station in central London to oppose supporters of the Jobbik Party, which is accused of holding strong anti-semitic views and fuelling hatred against Jewish and Roma communities.
Police officers lined up at the entrances to the station and erected barriers to prevent clashes between the groups, as anti-fascist campaigners waving placards chanted "Nazi scum, off our streets".
Jobbik leader Gabor Vona, who is said to have links with the far-right British National Party (BNP), had planned to speak to expatriates at a venue in Camden, a day before Holocaust Memorial Day.
But after more than a hour stood inside the station behind the police officers, the Jobbik supporters retreated and appeared to return to the Tube platform.
Scotland Yard later confirmed that the event in Camden had been cancelled.
London Assembly member and former Labour MP Andrew Dismore had written to Home Secretary Theresa May demanding that Mr Vona, founder of the now-outlawed Magyar Garda Mozgalom paramilitary guard, be banned from holding the event.
Mr Dismore, who as a Labour MP founded Holocaust Memorial Day, has called Jobbik "the most powerful outwardly fascist political party in Europe".
Speaking outside Holborn station, Mr Dismore said: "I think it's very important to send the message that we won't have hatred spread on our streets of London by the Hungarian Jobbik party. Hatred = what they hate. They act as though hatred is some objective thing they are merely recognizing and fighting rather than a political position they disagree with. They can only get away with this pose because the mass media are on their side.
"We have laws here against the incitement of race hatred. Jobbik party is a racist party which targets Roma, it wants to segregate them into ghettos, and it targets Jewish people.
"This is so reminiscent in Hungary of what happened in Nazi Germany in the 1930s and it should not be allowed to continue in the UK, particularly on the eve of Holocaust Memorial Day."
Mr Dismore said the Home Secretary had made "a grave mistake" by not acting on a petition with more 14,000 signatures which called for Mr Vona to be excluded from the UK.
Mr Vona and his party are said to have close links with groups such as the neo-Nazi Golden Dawn party in Greece and the far-right BNP led by Nick Griffin.
Unite Against Fascism (UAF) had urged all anti-fascists and anti-racists to join the protest and oppose any link-up of far-right parties across Europe.
The organisation's joint national secretary, Sabby Dhalu, said: "UAF has played a central role in driving back fascism in Britain. Jobbik's fascist hatred has no place in a modern society here, or in the rest of Europe.
"Wherever fascists have a presence, racist, anti-semitic and Islamophobic attacks increase."
Mr Vona has previously denied claims he planned to meet members of Greece's Golden Dawn party - who have openly expressed admiration for Adolf Hitler - and the BNP today.
His spokeswoman said he planned to host a forum for Hungarian citizens ahead of a forthcoming election.
She said that the claims were "false", adding: "He has no intention of meeting anyone from Golden Dawn or the British National Party.
"This is a forum for Hungarian citizens. This is not to do with anyone else.
"There are lots of Hungarians living in London and the election is coming up in Hungary."
Earlier this month Mr Griffin told reporters that the BNP was likely to forge an alliance with Jobbik and Golden Dawn after the European Parliament elections in May.
Mr Griffin travelled to Athens to support Golden Dawn - which has seen a surge in popularity during the country's financial crisis - following accusations it is a criminal organisation.
Nick Lowles, chief executive of anti-fascist pressure group Hope Not Hate, said: "Sadly the Home Secretary Theresa May has failed to ban the noted extremist leader, Gabor Vona, from the shores of the UK.
"That he should be arriving on the eve of Holocaust Memorial Day, when his party and its politicians have open and disgusting antisemitic views, is all the more deplorable."
A Metropolitan police spokesman said: "We were advised that the event at Camden has been cancelled."
He added that the event had not been cancelled the request of police.
Mr Vona later addressed more than 100 Jobbik supporters gathered in London's Hyde Park.
A Scotland Yard spokesman said: "Police assisted the group to assemble for purposes of lawful protest at an alternative location in order to prevent a possible breach of order."
No arrests were made, he added. So...people were prevented from lawful assembly by criminals and no arrests were made. There's your democracy in a nutshell. You're free to voice the prevailing view, all others can piss up a rope.
|January 28th, 2014||#88|
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"In no circumstances should anyone reduce the effort or support given to coming BNP activities"
- John Tyndall,
|February 9th, 2014||#89|
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Hungarian Kikes Planning to Physically Block Jobbik Protest (I Hope They Try)
Jews are planning to block jobbing from protesting their Jew building by crying a river of tears which none shall pass.
|February 11th, 2014||#90|
Jobbik can hold rally wherever it wants, Hungarian gov’t says
By SAM SOKOL
EJC: Jobbik rally in former synagogue ‘trampling on the graves of Holocaust victims.’ Far-right Jobbik party rally in Budapest, May 4, 2013
Far-right Jobbik party rally in Budapest, May 4, 2013 Photo: REUTERS
The Hungarian government defended the right of an alleged neo-Nazi party to hold a political rally in a former synagogue in the city of Esztergom despite an outcry from Jewish groups.
Plans for the rally by the Jobbik faction resulted in condemnation by European Jews on Sunday, with both the European Jewish Congress and the Hungarian Jewish community calling on the government to ban the event.
In response to an inquiry from The Jerusalem Post, Hungary’s International Communications Office stated on Friday that the government “does not comment on party rallies” and that Jobbik has a legitimate right to hold its rally wherever it wants.
“Official parties have the right to hold events at venues where the owners of the venue allow them to. In this case, the community center [which was a synagogue until 1945] in Esztergom is owned by the municipality,” the government spokesman said.
The concept of freedom for non-jews doesn't exist in judaism, a religion that looks remarkably like a genetic cult of criminals vs the world.
Esztergom Mayor Éva Tétényi did not reply to an email requesting comment.
The Federation of Hungarian Jewish Communities (Mazsihisz) told the Post last week that it intends to block Jobbik from holding the rally by physical force, if necessary.
“In case this [gathering] will not be prohibited, the Mazsihisz and Jewish civil organizations will protest and physically hinder the Jobbik rally on the spot,” Mazsihisz president Andras Heisler wrote in an email.
So the jew states overtly it plans to break the law. How will the authorities react?
The rally by Jobbik “will be literally and figuratively trampling on the graves of Holocaust victims,” EJC President Dr. Moshe Kantor told the Post through a spokesman on Sunday. Jobbik, which the World Jewish Congress considers a neo-Nazi organization, is Hungary’s third-largest party with 43 out of 386 seats in the legislature. Friday’s rally is part of Jobbik’s campaign to improve its standing in the elections scheduled for April.
“The community of Esztergom was wiped out in the Holocaust and this synagogue is not in use today because the Jews there were exterminated,” Kantor told the Post.
Just ignore what jew-led, jew-created communists did to white Hungarians. You'll never see a single word of it in the jew-controlled media.
“While the Nazis physically destroyed this community, its ideological descendants in Jobbik are destroying it once more with their intended rally.”
Kantor called on the Esztergom municipality, which owns the synagogue building, to cancel the event “on the grounds that by its very nature it will be celebrating the massacre of Jews and destruction of their communities during the Holocaust.”
He also demanded action from the central government to “uphold the memory of the Holocaust.”
|February 11th, 2014||#91|
Simon Wiesenthal Centre applauds decision of Jewish Federation in Hungary to stay away from government-sponsored Holocaust commemoration
Written by Maud Swinnen
Tuesday, 11 February 2014 09:04
The Federation of Hungarian Jewish Communities (Mazsihisz) decided to stay away from events marking the 70th anniversary of the deportation of 437,000 Jews from Hungary to the Nazi death camps.
PARIS/BUDAPEST (EJP)--- The Simon Wiesenthal Centre applauded and endorsed the decision by Mazsihisz - the representative body of Hungarian Jewry to stay away from this year’s government-sponsored commemoration of the 70th anniversary of the Holocaust in Hungary.
The Hungarian Jewish group took the decision to boycott all government events unless the government cancels some of the planned memorials. The dispute stems from historical and ideological differences between the Federation and Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban’s government about the yearlong series of remembrances centered on the 1944 deportation of more than 430,000 Hungarian Jews to Nazi death camps.
“The known plans do not take into account the arguments or the sensitivity of the victims of the horrors of the Holocaust,” the group said, adding that there had been “no substantive progress on the government side in the dispute over the Hungarian Holocaust Memorial Year.
”Mazsihisz wants the government to abandon plans to build a memorial of Nazi Germany’s 1944 invasion of Hungary and a project dedicated to the child victims of the Holocaust. The “House of Fates” memorial is being built at a Budapest railway station from which Jews were deported to Nazi death camps.
The memorial honoring children will include an exhibit and education center, and Mazsihisz said it has been sidelined from the project, whose “historical approach remains unknown” to the federation’s experts.
Mazsihisz fears both memorials will downplay the role of Hungary and Hungarians in the Holocaust. The group is also demanding the dismissal of Sandor Szakaly, a historian appointed by the government to lead a new historical research institute, because of disputed remarks he made about the 1941 deportation to Ukraine of Jews from other Eastern European countries who had sought refuge in Hungary.
Some 15,000 of them were killed by Ukrainian militias and German SS troops. Mazsihisz and leaders of other Hungarian Jewish organizations met with government officials on Thursday, and Prime Minister Orban is expected address their concerns next week.
In a letter to Orban, the Simon Wiesenthal Centre's Director for International Relations, Dr. Shimon Samuels advised the Prime Minister that "the wonderful idea for a "House of Fates" (based on the Imre Kertesz Nobel Prize - winning book 'Fatelessness') and the announced theme focusing on "the Children's Holocaust" would seem to be a figleaf for international opinion, while the Holocaust itself and contemporary anti-Semitism are left as a function of domestic politics and political mortgages with the extreme right".
He noted the growing influence of Jobbik, the third largest party in the Hungarian Parliament and present in the European Parliament. ‘’Its increasingly blatant antisemitism and Gypsophobia (first time i've seen this term used) are encouraged by uncontested rallies bearing unadulterated swastikas, the latest planned for a synagogue venue,’’ Samuels said.
The extreme-right and anti-Semitic party plans to hold next Friday its political assemblyin a building that used to be a synagogue in the city of Esztergom. The entire Jewish community in this city located 46 km (29 miles) north of Budapest, was killed during the Holocaust.
The synagogue today is operated by the local government as a cultural center. The rally is part ofJobbik’s campaign ahead of elections in April. The party’s platform is laced with anti-Semitism and anti-Roma policy.
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|February 11th, 2014||#92|
Calls to bar Hungarian extreme-right Jobbik party from holding political rally in former synagogue
Written by The Sofia Globe staff on February 9, 2014
Efforts are underway to prevent Hungarian extreme-right and anti-Semitic party Jobbikto hold next week a political assembly in a building that used to be a synagogue in the city of Esztergom, the European Jewish Press reports.
The entire Jewish community in this city, 46km north of Budapest, was killed during the Holocaust.
The synagogue today is operated by the local government as a cultural centre.
The rally is part of Jobbik’s campaign ahead of Hungarian parliament elections on April 6 2014. The party’s platform is laced with anti-Semitism and anti-Roma policy.
Jobbik is the third largest party in Hungary with 43 of the 386 seats in the Hungarian parliament.
In 2012, a Jobbik MP, Marton Gyongyosi, had urged the Hungarian government to make a list of citizens with Jewish ancestry who might post a security risk to the country.
Last week, the chairman of the the opposition Hungarian Socialist Party in Esztergom, Tamas Gal, sent an open letter to the city’s smayor urging her to bar the rally from the synagogue.
“The choice of location for this event is an unworthy, ugly, and cynical desecration of the memory of the victims of the Holocaust and the sentiments of the survivors,” he wrote.
The Federation of Hungarian Jewish Communities (Mazsihisz) is considering sending people to physically prevent Jobbik party from holding its rally in the synagogue.
Earlier this week, the Rabbinical Council of Europe (RCE) announced its plans to hold its General Assembly in Budapest in March in co-operation with the Hungarian government.
The March convention will also feature a memorial ceremony in line with the Hungarian government’s own memorial project to the landmark 70th anniversary of the Holocaust in Hungary where about 800 000 Jews were exterminated by Nazis.
|February 11th, 2014||#93|
Will say again, read Irving's Uprising to learn What They Won't Tell You - which is always, in politics, what the jews did to earn the justice-reaction they're crying about.
irving's site, free samples
video of irving speaking on hungarian uprising 1956/jewish mentality
"i discovered from the cia files that the hungarian revolution began as an anti-jewish pogrom" - they regarded their government as a government of jews
jews were regarded as the people who inflicted the communist misery on the hungarian people
irving says he never realized until he started that all the leaders of the communists were jews
Anyone with links to material on jews-on-Hungarians crimes, do post them. Even if it's just book titles.
|February 12th, 2014||#94|
February 9th, 2014
National sovereignty at stake in election, says Jobbik
Hungary’s national sovereignty must be protected, and this is an issue to be dealt with in the April election, a senior official of the radical nationalist Jobbik party said on Saturday.
Deputy parliamentary group leader Marton Gyongyosi told a press conference that Jobbik is the only parliamentary party which stands above suspicion of being a target of foreign influence.
Also on Saturday, Jobbik lawmaker Lajos Kepli held a press conference in Veszprem, west Hungary, and discussed the Paks nuclear plant upgrade, which parliament approved on Friday, with the votes of Jobbik lawmakers. Kepli told MTI that Jobbik had voted for an upgrade of the nuclear plant, but not for a financial arrangement which would lead the country into debt. He said if elected to government, Jobbik would ask voters in a referendum if they supported nuclear power and the construction of new blocks in Paks, or whether nuclear energy should be phased out.
|February 15th, 2014||#95|
Join Date: Nov 2004
seems like some nationalisms are more tolearble than others
It is interesting to note that anti nationalist so called 'democratic' regime in Serbia, which aggressively arrests and jails local Serb nationalists, doesn't do anything about Jobbik operating freely in the country. Why is this so? Good neighbourly relations with EU member state.
So if Jobbik want to operate freely they can all come to Serbia.
|February 24th, 2014||#96|
A conversation with Márton Gyöngyösi on the European Parliament elections
Jobbik to Wilders and Le Pen: liberalism and Zionism are the enemies, not Islam
22. February 2014 - by J. Arthur White in Politics
This May’s European Parliament elections may be overshadowed in Hungary by the national elections on 6 April, but they’re becoming a rallying cry for radical parties elsewhere on the continent. In Western Europe, Marine Le Pen of France’s National Front and Geert Wilders of The Netherlands’ Party for Freedom are hoping to create gridlock in Brussels with the formation of a pan-European alliance of eurosceptic parties. Citing anti-Semitic and anti-Roma rhetoric, they’ve given the cold shoulder to Jobbik, the most vocal critic of European integration in Hungarian politics. We spoke with Márton Gyöngyösi, deputy leader of Jobbik’s parliamentary fraction and vice-chairman of the Foreign Affairs Committee, to get an explanation for the divisions among European nationalists and to find out what his party thinks about Hungary’s place in the EU.
What is your campaign strategy for the European Parliament elections?
As you’re probably aware we have three elections this year: national parliamentary elections, the European Parliament election and then the local elections. Of course our relationship with the European Union is a very important topic, even on the national level, but it’s not our main focus now. After the national elections, we’re going to jump into a month and a half of campaigning for the European Parliament elections. In 2009, when we ran for the first time, we reached a very good result of 15% and we sent three MEPs. We hope to reach at least that percentage. Our European Parliament program is already well on the way. Unfortunately, we are somehow ostracised from the mainstream media and our messages do not come through. So we use very direct campaigning, with much more emphasis on the internet and on public forums.
What kinds of issues are you hoping to raise concerning the EU in both the national elections and the European Parliament elections?
Just like in a lot of other countries there’s a big deal of euroscepticism sweeping through Hungary. In these times of economic and financial crisis much of the blame has been put on the EU and I think rightly so, given the way this crisis has been managed and the way the EU is transforming itself. I think there is a lot of resistance to the continuous centralisation that the EU has been undergoing since the Lisbon Treaty, since the Maastricht Treaty if you like. I think most of the Hungarian people reject this and I think these elections are going to be very much about the future of the EU. I’m expecting a very eurosceptic result from this country – and overall as well. This is not just Jobbik. I think euroscepticism is beyond Jobbik and Jobbik’s supporters. Already Mr. Orbán is hinting at a very eurosceptic approach. He’s of course pro-EU and has done a lot for Hungary’s accession, but at the moment, rhetorically, he’s critical of the EU. This is of course political tactics. I think the hardcore Fidesz supporters are fed up with the EU and I think Jobbik can expect votes from them. I think that was one of the reasons Fidesz did not want to put the national elections and the European Parliament elections on the same date, although it would have been logical. There would have been a very large turnout for the European Parliament elections, and a lot of people would have cast a protest vote on the side of Jobbik. But they didn’t want a high rejection of the EU. That would have been a dreadful message toward Brussels. A positive message from my point of view.
What do you think are the main dangers of increasing EU integration?
I only see dangers. In 1991 we got candidacy. If we want to cast judgment on the EU we have to look at not only our membership, but the whole accession process. A nation negotiating EU membership with Brussels is given guidelines and forced to move within certain boundaries. This has had a very negative impact on Hungary’s transition process. We were told to liberalise and privatise our economy, which meant that in the scope of about ten years Hungary sold out its entire national wealth. We were told that private capital, private investment and foreign entrepreneurship are going to bring us to paradise in no time. But what you can see is that Western European countries needed Hungary more than Hungary needed the EU. They gained a market of ten million in this country, and hundreds of millions if you look at the whole region. Economically, it’s a very substantial step for the EU. Geo-strategically as well. They pushed the boundaries of Euro-Atlanticism towards the east by hundreds of kilometres. This is what you also see in the Ukraine. But it’s not enough to blame the EU and the nasty capitalists in the West. We had a political elite in this country – Mr. Orbán, socialist politicians like Gyula Horn – who were handpicked for this kind of transitional politics. None of them ever questioned European integration or this kind of economic transition. A lot of criticism can be put on them for managing the transition in a way whereby this country has suffered more in 25 years than in two world wars. We have basically lost all of our national wealth and all our national property. We basically have nothing in Hungarian hands at the moment. It is all in the hands of foreign entrepreneurs and investors who bought up factories and in some cases destroyed them.
What are some examples of this?
Our food-processing industry was completely destroyed. We used to be capable of self-sufficiency in agricultural production. Just to give you one example, we used to have 12 sugar factories. We were completely self-sufficient and we exported 75% of our sugar production. Today we import almost all sugar because production has ceased to exist. There’s only one sugar factory in Hungary and it’s under Austrian ownership. The EU says you cannot produce because there are quotas and the quota is about half the self-sufficiency level… What happened to the factories? They were bought up by foreign companies – French and German companies – and destroyed. Now we buy sugar from the companies that bought them. So they bought a market. Very similar to the sort of things you hear from Golden Dawn.
Do you think that Hungary should seek to renegotiate the EU treaties?
Exactly. That’s our proposal. We want a referendum on our EU membership and we want to renegotiate, starting with our membership treaty.
If you were to successfully renegotiate would there still be a need for the referendum?
It depends on the outcome. But almost certainly yes. I don’t think it’s possible to renegotiate the treaties to such an extent that we would find it good and beneficial for the Hungarian nation. It would need a complete reshuffle of the agreement. Given the shape of the EU and Hungary at the moment, I don’t think it’s feasible or possible.
So you think in all practical terms a withdrawal would be necessary?
Yes, through a referendum. We would be supporting a withdrawal. That’s the same position we had in 2004. We were campaigning for a Europe of Nations model where national sovereignty is much stronger and where centralisation is less. In 2004 we also had a very critical approach and campaigned on the No side. What we have seen since has made us even stronger in our belief.
But haven’t you seen positive effects of EU membership – haven’t there been foreign investments or trade relations that have benefited the Hungarian economy?
It’s the balance we need to look at. We have over 1000 years of relations with Europe. That’s not a matter of EU membership. You don’t need to be part of the EU to have good bilateral relationships. The EU could have improved relationships. Once upon a time the EU may have been an organisation that was based on mutual trust and mutual benefits, back in the 1960s or 1970s. But today it is not like that. Today it works more like an empire that has a central interest; the interest of the bigger and older nation-states in the EU. They are looking after their own industrial interests and they subordinate every other nation’s interests to that. I think that’s what causes much of the frustration within the EU. And, of course, mistakes have been made. I think the euro was a complete disaster and a complete mistake. That’s an economic analysis, not a political judgment. I think it was completely premature to have one single currency in such a divergent economic environment. They made a mistake and the solution they looked for was even more disastrous. They should have gone in a completely different direction. Now they’re trying to impose even more of this centralised decision making.
You mean the banking union measures?
Exactly. Fiscal discipline and supervision from Brussels. If a sovereign nation-state wants to draw up its budget that’s a question of sovereignty. Having learned from the mistakes of Greece, Brussels wants rights to override national budgetary policy. That’s complete nonsense. Where is that going to lead us? Some bureaucrats in Brussels who have no clue of the real economic situation in Hungary and what the Hungarian people need or desire are going to override the budget of a government? Monetary policy is centralised. Now fiscal policy is going to be centralised within Brussels as well. National sovereignty has suffered a lot in the past couple of years. It’s no wonder that in every country there is some kind opposition to this direction.
The Dutch politician Geert Wilders and France’s Marine Le Pen have called for a pan-European alliance of eurosceptic parties. According to media reports, they have stated that Jobbik will be excluded for being too extremist. How do you react to this?
In Western Europe, parties of this type have a program that we cannot identify ourselves with completely. Their opinion about the EU coincides with ours. I think they have the same idea about Brussels as we do. But there is one big difference between them and us. A common ground between Wilders, Vlaams Belang in Belgium, FPÖ in Austria and Le Pen in France – if I want to generalise, the Western European radical movements – is immigration. They are anti-immigration, and since most immigrants are from Muslim countries they have a very strong Islamophobia and very strong anti-Islamic rhetoric. In Jobbik, on the other hand, Gábor Vona has always been putting forward peaceful dialogue between religions. He has been calling Islam a traditionalist civilisation and pointing out that all traditionalists in the world – whether they are Christian, Muslim, Buddhist or Hindu – should join forces and stand up against liberalism, which is basically an enemy of traditionalism. Through propagating multiculturalism and complete nihilism and valuelessness it is basically undermining traditionalism. In this sense Jobbik is a traditionalist party. Our main enemy is not people who have a different culture or a different religion. The common enemy of traditionalists, regardless of where they come from, is liberalism, which wants to sweep away every type of tradition and culture. It is propagating a very colourful, multiethnic, multicultural environment. I think the division line is between traditionalists and liberals, not nations or cultures. This is one of our greatest arguments with Le Pen and Wilders.
You don’t see them as being in the same traditionalist camp as you are?
No. I think they are complete liberals. Absolutely liberal. They don’t see the point. What they are afraid of is that the liberal values of Europe and of Western civilisation since the Enlightenment are endangered by mass immigration. So they are basically protecting the liberal values of Europe. In this respect we cannot find the same platform with these parties because we see the problem completely differently. I think they are part of the problem. They are political mavericks. As a political idea, it is great to find an enemy, shoot at it and get supporters behind your back, but I think they are getting the point wrong. It’s a very bad sign that Europe’s instincts are not working any more.
So you think they have refused to work with you and called you extremist because of your criticism of liberal values?
That’s the root of the problem. But we can take it further. For this anti-Islamic campaign they have obtained Zionist support from Israel. Every single one of them. Since Islam and Israel, or Zionism, are enemies, they have basically formed one camp. You can see that Strache of FPÖ has made a number of pro-Israeli statements and received Zionist support. Vlaams Belang is even financed by certain Zionist communities. Wilders as well. They see immigration and Islam as the greatest danger, so they got one of the greatest enemies of Islam – Zionism – on their side. It’s a completely logical approach. In Hungary we have a completely different problem. If you look at our statements and what we represent, we have been criticising Israeli politics. We have criticised Zionism as a global phenomenon and the way it functions in the world today.
Do you see a risk of this position morphing into discrimination if you’re singling out Jews as being potential agents of Israel? You did make a statement some years ago that there should be an investigation into government members that havedual Israeli-Hungarian citizenship.
Dual citizenship is a risk. It’s a national security risk. I want to be sure that a Hungarian parliamentarian, member of government or civil servant is 100% loyal and 100% committed to my nation when they are making laws or executing them. Everyone in the world thinks the same. In Israel double citizens are excluded from the Knesset. If Israel does that, then why are they hurt if I demand the same thing for Hungary? In America, it has to be completely transparent. Every member of Congress has to put forward what race, ethnicity and religion they belong to and what citizenship they have. All I want is the same type of transparency in Hungary.
Would you make the same demand of other nationalities?
Of course. If someone has Zimbabwean-Hungarian double citizenship that’s also a curiosity.
Would you view them as a potential national security risk?
It could be. If someone has citizenship it means they swore an oath to a particular country. If you swore an oath to two countries then what is the guarantee that you can exclude your loyalty or your identity when you are making the laws or executing the laws of the other nation? There is a conflict of interest. With Hungarian-Israeli double citizenship I think this risk is even higher than with Zimbabwean-Hungarian double citizenship, because we have heard of malicious intentions from Mr. Shimon Perez when he spoke about the colonisation of Hungary by financial and economic means.
I’d like to move back to the alliance question. Are there any other parties that have a similar mentality to you and with whom you might be able to form an alliance in the European Parliament?
The question of alliance seeking comes after the election. Of course you can make alliances if you have a very close program. It appears that Wilders, Le Pen and Strache have this common program. We don’t have it with them. But we did achieve something about two years ago. Our MEP Béla Kovács formed a European-based party called the Alliance of European National Movements. Since the Lisbon Treaty it is possible for individual MEPs to form an international party – based on individual membership, rather than between parties. This is quite an achievement. It shows that we have some kind of negotiating power. We are the strongest party in the radical movement, so we do get a lot of attention in this camp.
But do you see any specific opportunities for cooperation in the next Parliament?
Even a fraction is very difficult to have because you need so many countries and so many members. But I think it’s a non-issue. It’s such a useless organisation, to be completely honest with you. I don’t think it has such a huge significance whether you are sitting in a fraction or you’re a non-attached member. We’re not going to give up part of our program or compromise on our principles just to gain more money or to speak twice on one of these silly issues that the European Parliament is discussing, like the curve of the cucumber. But, to answer your question, it is going to be a very interesting election, especially because of the rising euroscepticism within the EU. Most of the analysts expect a big rise in the influence of eurosceptic parties within the Parliament. I think this is going to widen the opportunities for some kind of alliance. In Poland there is a new party called Ruch Narodowy (National Movement). We have a very close cooperation with them. We sign common press releases and they come to our national days and rallies. We are also looking at cooperation in Croatia, where various parties are forming a bloc for the European Parliament elections. We have contacts and relationships with them. We are continuously building these alliances. It is this part of Europe – Central Eastern Europe – where such alliance building is sensible and appropriate. With French radical parties or British radical parties we have a very different outlook and very different problems.
Two names floating around the media as potential partners are the British National Party (BNP) and the Golden Dawn in Greece.
According to the media, we are financed by Al-Qaeda or by Russia and Iran. There is a lot of nonsense in the media. With Golden Dawn we have never had any contact. When Gábor Vona went to London they said he was going there to meet Golden Dawn. This is completely crazy. In election time Gábor Vona wants to meet the electorate. There are tens of thousands of Hungarians living in London. He went to meet them and talk about our program. Why would he travel to London to meet Golden Dawn? He would travel to Athens. That’s the media for you. We don’t have such cooperation. On the other hand, the BNP’s leader, Nick Griffin, did join the Alliance of European National Movements with our MEPs. He’s not a member any more but he was a part of this party.
Do you see a good possibility of further cooperation with the BNP?
Our judgment on the EU is converging. But once again I think their anti-Islamic position is something very difficult to match with our outlook on the world. We are looking for an alliance of traditionalism across the world against liberalism. I think Europe is suffering from liberalism. That’s what we should get rid of first and foremost, then find our own roots, our own values and our own traditions and build on that. Instead of hate and finding a common enemy. That’s not going to lead anywhere. We are not going to get rid of the main cause of our crisis: liberalism, which has basically caused valuelessness and a complete detachment from our cultural and religious traditions.
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|March 1st, 2014||#97|
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Polish-Hungarian Joint Statement:
Ruch Narodowy and Jobbik Demand Self-Governance for the Indigenous Polish and Hungarian People living in the Ukraine
On behalf of Ruch Narodowy and Jobbik Movement for a Better Hungary, the national patriotic movements of Poland and Hungary, we jointly call upon our governments to immediately unite their efforts in applying their foreign and national political means to protect the rights of ethnic minorities living in Ukraine, with special regard for the Polish and Hungarian groups.
Our movements regard the representation of our national interest as a priority, which, at a time of an escalating crisis in Ukraine, translates into the protection of our brothers and sisters, the constituent parts of our nations living beyond our borders.
As the statements of the Tusk and Orbán governments and the press releases issued during the V4 Summit in Budapest clearly show, our governments are unable to go beyond Brussels' standpoint in analysing the Ukrainian situation, and they solely rely on European integration to ensure the security of native minorities living in the territory of Ukraine as well as to promote their cause. Thus, these governments sacrifice the enforcement of national interests on the altar of Euro federalism. We reject this minimalist approach to a crisis, which can have far reaching consequences for the Polish and Hungarian minorities in Ukraine.
Meanwhile, the resignation of the Ukrainian prime minister began a process of regime change and the new government, in accordance with the constitutional timetable, has to emerge in no longer than two months. During this time our foreign services cannot be passive, especially in light of the fact, that due to the revolutionary wave now spreading in Ukraine, we are seeing an ever more progressing popularization of symbols and persons associated with the political tradition of Ukrainian ethnic chauvinism, which has left a tragic imprint in recent history, especially vis a vis ethnic minorities.
We expect from our governments that, regardless of who will rule Ukraine in the future, they will decisively aim to achieve the following demands: prevent Ukraine from officially honoring the criminal politician Stepan Bandera; the maintaining of the language law adopted in 2012; the increasing of state funding for minority language education; providing necessary infrastructure for the social and cultural activity of our countrymen living in Ukraine.
Ruch Narodowy and Jobbik Movement for a Better Hungary call upon the Polish and the Hungarian Governments to take a firm stance in order to protect the Polish minority and the Hungarian minority in Ukraine, and, within the framework of the settlement of the Ukrainian crisis, to demand the most comprehensive self-governance for the Polish and Hungarian people living in Ukraine!
Szávay István, Jobbik, Leader of National Policy Cabinet
Gyöngyösi Márton, Jobbik, Leader of Foreign Policy Cabinet
|March 4th, 2014||#98|
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March 3rd, 2014
Jobbik demands territorial autonomy for ethnic minorities in Western Ukraine
The radical nationalist Jobbik party has demanded that full territorial autonomy should be granted to the Hungarian and Ruthenian minorities in Transcarpathia, in western Ukraine, lawmaker Marton Gyongyosi said on Monday.
Jobbik calls on the international community to put pressure on the interim leaders of Ukraine and stop the draft for military service that has started in Transcarpathia, too, Gyongyosi, the party’s deputy group leader, told a press conference.
He demanded that minorities are ensured their right to use their mother tongue and human rights be guaranteed in the neighbouring country.
He said that the “conflict reminiscent of the Cold War has developed as a consequence of financial, political, moral and intelligence support provided by Washington and Brussels to the Ukrainian opposition, and as a result of provocation and efforts to undermine the system.”
In Jobbik’s view the interim leaders of Ukraine are not legitimate as they have not taken their positions as a result of a sovereign decision taken by the people of Ukraine, Gyongyosi said.
Gyongyosi called on the Hungarian government and the foreign ministry to give preference to promoting national interests instead of promoting Euro-Atlantic policy goals.
|March 5th, 2014||#99|
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Jobbik: "The new Ukrainian government is chauvinistic and illegitimate"
Jobbik demands the Hungarian government and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs to take measures in order to protect the Hungarian ethnic minority in the Lower Carpathian region. Jobbik also points out that the West is using the current cold war-like situation to expand its sphere of influence to the East.
Jobbik is worried to see the Ukrainian crisis, but the party also condemns the hypocritical behaviour and political maneuvering of the Atlantic forces. The corruption of the Yanukovich government and the bad policies of the Party of Regions clearly had a role in the outbreak of the revolution, but the financial, political and intelligence machinations and provocations of the West were equally responsible.
Márton Gyöngyösi says the West is hypocritical to present Russia, who has been holding back in spite of their fears for the Russian minority in Ukraine, as the main culprit while the first action of the new government that enjoys the support of the West was to cancel the language act, giving a foretaste of the chauvinistic Ukrainian politics to come.
Jobbik considers the interim government illegitimate. Márton Gyöngyösi said the current situation was yet another act of the orange revolution of 2004, a new stage of the geopolitical struggle between the Washington-Brussels axis and Russia.
The West aims to expand its sphere of influence further to the East, reaching beyond Central-Eastern Europe, which they already bought up and exploited - pointed out Márton Gyöngyösi. He added that military conscription must be stopped in the Lower Carpathians, and the human rights of the minorities must be ensured, since Ukraine cannot do so on its own. Full regional autonomy must be guaranteed for the Hungarian and the Ruthenian ethnic minority as well - he said.
Jobbik calls upon the Hungarian government to abandon its 25-year-old submissive attitude to the West and stand for the ethnic minorities, focussing on the national interests.
|March 12th, 2014||#100|
March 12th, 2014
Jobbik gaining voters from Fidesz
Voters are moving toward Jobbik, chiefly from Fidesz, as the far-right party has been able to win over young working people in the provinces with a change of image, news website Origo reports.
Director Tibor Závecz of Ipsos pollsters said Jobbik is favoured by 16-19% of decided party voters, as its support has grown mainly among middle-class people aged 20-30, primarily working in the provinces.
One third of the voters lost by Fidesz since 2010 ended up with Jobbik, and more than half of the radical party’s new voters are former Fidesz supporters, according to Medián research director László Beck.
March 9th, 2014
Support for Jobbik grows but unchanged for Fidesz, left
A poll conducted by Szazadveg at the end of February shows support for radical nationalist Jobbik increased, while governing Fidesz-KDNP maintained their significant advantage over the opposition parties.
Support for centre-right Fidesz-KDNP among all voters was 32 percent.
Support for the joint list of parties on the left, including the Socialists, E-PM, the Democratic Coalition (DK) and MLP (Liberals) was also unchanged from January at 20 percent. LMP had the support of 4 percent of voters, while the other parties had the support of 2 percent.
The group supporting Jobbik rose to 13 percent from 11.
Among voters with clear party preferences, support for the governing alliance stood at 51 percent, while that for the left was 27 percent, slightly less than in January. The percentage of these voters who said they would vote for Jobbik rose to 16 percent from 14 gauged in January. LMP had 5 percent support among the voters and other parties 1 percent.
The ratio of undecided voters fell to 29 percent.
The poll was taken on Feb. 26-28 of a sample of 1,000 adults. The margin of error is 3.2 percentage points.