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I should make another point. Initially I believed that Steele had been framed. It was clear that the overall plot was ridiculous. A six-year-old could have come up with one with a far better likelihood of success. Then when evidence piled up that Steele had gone crazy, it was clear that he had done what he was accused of. I blame the prosecutor who has to know that he is crazy. She was also served a copy of my motion. This was not Traci Whelan's first rodeo as we say out West. She has prosecuted a dozen Federal murder cases and other violent crimes. She should have locked Steele up in a looney bin. On the other hand, it is not the government's job to prove Steele sane. They may presume that he is sane. It is the job of Steele's lawyers to prove that he is insane. Last edited by Donald E. Pauly; June 28th, 2012 at 11:04 PM. Reason: typo |
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I don't think you can use the divorce as part of your crusade to prove he is crazy. When someone is delirious, they don't tend to lie. If he was muttering about wanting a divorce, then he wanted a divorce, not to kill her.
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Silly you! My countryman is locked up in prison for life thru an unfortunate accident due to no fault of his own. Fools like you are keeping him there.
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Since Steele thinks that his family and supporters have bought his lies, he will persist in his attempts to defend this indefensible case. His only hope is to admit that he has been lying all along and pursue an insanity defense. Of course he is not to blame for the lies that he has told. It may be impossible for him to see that he is insane. Only when all those around him tell him that he is insane, is there any hope that he will realize it. I sent him my motion although I do not know that he got it. He may not even know that the word is out that he is crazy. Last edited by Donald E. Pauly; June 28th, 2012 at 11:23 AM. Reason: typo |
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I don't know. I don't condone her actions and we don't know what their marriage was like beforehand, but if he was indeed trawling on singles sites whilst married, then I can sort of understand her motive for wanting to punish him financially (if she thought they were hitherto happily married). They may have resolved things. I don't see a basis for her doing it again, unless he does it again. Quote:
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It just seems perfectly logical to me that the gardener fellow would have tried to kill the Steele family in order to cover up his theft of the gold.
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YOUR countryman? What do you think YOUR countryman will say when he's out of prison and is shown this thread? D'ya think HE'S going to concur with your "Steele went crazy" opinion?
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Outside this message forum, one suggestion is to do a Google search for "Edgar Steele", and browse the web sites that come up. Assess all the info, and make up your own mind. |
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What interests me, Mr. Pauly, is whether you _are_ this way, or you _put on_ that you are this way -- arrogant, opinionated, pushy and loudmouthed. Get me straight Mr. D, I'm not calling you these names, far from it. I am observing how you state your opinions and thoughts, and how you interact with others here. I can't even begin to imagine how you react to people taking a similar line with YOU; "Don, your only hope is to .....". Are you diplomatic with others, but just so consumed with Mr. Steele's case, that you don't see "shoe on the other foot"? |
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Mr. Pauly: Why do you expend SO MUCH relentless energy in this? Why, exactly is it so infinitely important for you to try and convince others to embrace your opinion?
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MY feelings exact. Why is this Pauly so obsessed with Edgar Steele? I scan this thread every few weeks and he has posted an overwhelming amount of "Steele is crazy" etc over and over and over. Sounds like he has an agenda. I do not trust him whoever he is.
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You were crazy when you denied that Cyndi tried to take her husband for every penny that he was worth. Surely you know by now that I do my homework. You Steele cheerleaders are massive liars for saying that he was framed by the government. You know good and well that he is crazy. You have stolen over $120,000 from the White Nationalist community. Of course the government can and does frame people daily. It didn't happen here. Now when someone actually is framed, the public will not believe it. Last edited by Donald E. Pauly; June 28th, 2012 at 09:32 PM. Reason: typo |
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Lenny the Jew lover is on the right track. With a wife and family like Steele has, he is far better off with the Feds. At least the Feds haven't stolen over $120,000 from White Nationalists.
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Worst Case of Insanity in History.
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Since this is a huge thread and you haven't had time to study it, I repost one of the many smoking guns. Steele was in jail awaiting trial for trying to blow his wife up with a pipe bomb. Then he wrote the following steamy love letters to his Ukrainian girlfriend from his jail cell. She testified against him in court and that testimony was undisputed. Steele also admitted that he wrote the letters during sentencing and added:"I had my reasons.". Inquiring minds want to know what those reasons are. That will be a world class "The dog ate my homework." excuse. There is nothing temporary about his insanity. Stroke damage induced by open heart surgery is permanent. Quote:
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Declaring him to be a roll and butter would have been very much in the State's interest as they could have disbarred him and locked him up indefinitely. The only possible route you can go down with your quest to prove him mad is to look into chemo brain. That is a recognised condition and it's temporary.
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Re: Edgar Steele "charged in murder-for-hire plot"
When I was in my 50's, I had a fitness training business for a season. The vast majority of my clients were women who were seeking to perfect themselves rather than lose 30 pounds of blubber. One lovely girl I recall was in her 20's was from Estonia who had worked in the U.S. on several occasions as an Au Pair (I think I'm spelling that French term for the business correctly), taking care of relatively wealthy American's children and exposing them to others of-- in this case-- a worldly women of their own race but a different culture in consideration for a little pay and living with the family for at least a semester.
It would have been easy for me to have become involved with that girl not because she was interested but, if she had been interested, because she enjoyed conversation, was quite bright, and was comfortable with her body, sexuality, and was very open and honest. Entirely too many man and women, these days, don't take their marriage vows any more seriously than law enforcement officers from the President down to street cops, and Justice Department officials in particular, take their oath of office. My opinion of this climate isn't the point any more than it ought to be the focus of Ed Steele's jurors: Bev is correct in that what I consider inappropriate extramarital relationships have been with us forever from Popes down to parishioners. Occasional conspiracy to murder one's spouse however seems to violate a hardwired intra-specific prohibition recognized by animal behaviorists and is quite rare, television and suspense novel dramatization notwithstanding. When I was following Mr. Steele's online posts, I recall thinking about his mentioning that he was going to be working to try to stop the exploitation of women (in the Ukraine if memory serves). I recall thinking that would be a noble endeavor because I like women and regard them not just as the weaker sex but easier to exploit, abuse, what have you, and think men should protect them and provide for them. I also recognize that working with women, whether as a fitness trainer, college professor, clinical psychologist, or other profession where one is often alone with women is fraught with peril because men will be men, so to speak. Many young women become involved with those they regard highly, particularly those with perceived power, authority, etc., and that has always been the case: I believe the behavior has survival value both from the perspective of men and women (I don't want to theorize here but while environment --fathering-- is important it is probably less important than genetics). Such promiscuity seems to bother most those women who currently don't bring youth, fitness, and other engaging attributes to the table. I'm not judging the behavior just noticing it. And aging men are often more than flattered by young women "sophisticated enough" to appreciate such older men particularly those who admire them for the nobility of their life's work. I can see how easy it would be to fall into being a knight in shining armor to some while doing what Mr. Steele was probably doing to investigate the various types of exploitation of women online. My Estonian friend told me that she and her friends regarded Russian girls as relatively more loose sexually and that, in her opinion, it was entirely possible that parenting during the poverty and lack of hope during the cold war modeled some behaviors that contribute to being more aggressive than American women, for example, looking for security through say hunting for a man not only landed or otherwise secure but perhaps vested in a retirement program, offering the potential for a Social Security survivor's benefit, etc. There is more to looking for a mate than simply physical appearance, personality, and character, and that has always been the case. But, once again, I think we should not allow ourselves to lose sight of facts and be seduced by the assertions of prosecutors whether with the Justice Department or forum members as being either a necessary or sufficient ingredient for murder for hire. From a brief experience as a private investigator and hunter, my guess would be that attorneys generally and prosecutors in particular are not only left of center politically but more liberal morally than I would be in the situations in which I observed them. Having extramarital "affairs" is very common human behavior. So is breathing. Murdering one's spouse is not. I think it is safe to try to stick to the elements of the crime and rely upon strict rules of evidence rather than moralizing. Oftentimes those making the biggest show of outrage, indignation, what have you, have a blind spot not unlike the psychological phenomena of "projection." If it demonstrates contempt for one's spouse to cheat on her (or him), not to mention hiring a hit man to murder, I'm not sure that one is gifted with a sixth sense to judge who is guilty of what cannot possibly be known without a shadow of a doubt who demonstrates such palpable contempt for the accused, again, not to mention one's fellow forum members. Had I the responsibility of dismissing potential jurors I'm certain whom I'd excuse whether I could articulate cause or not. I'd dismiss if for no other reason, I'd want to keep them from poisoning other jurors by constantly repeating their same arguably irrelevant, immaterial opinions, if not trying to intimidate other jurors with name-calling and other insults. Last edited by -JC; June 29th, 2012 at 06:23 AM. |
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Re: Worst Case of Insanity in History.
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The issue is not whether he was unfaithful to his wife. I don't care about that. The issue is him doing things that were crazy. Trying to blow his wife up with a pipe bomb could have been a rational act. Writing steamy love letters to his Ukrainian girl friend from his jail cell cannot be. That is the definition of insanity. I'm sure that the jury didn't need to see anything else. That was the smoking gun on his motive. I fault the jury for failing to return a non-guilty by insanity verdict. However, they were not given that option. Alan Banks, the veterinarian and Steele's wife admitted the he was delusional after he got home from the hospital. This type of insanity is localized and may not be apparent to those who don't know what to look for. The government doesn't want him to be declared insane because they want to portray him as a cold blooded killer. His wife doesn't want that either because she wants to keep the money rolling in from his supporters. Last edited by Donald E. Pauly; June 29th, 2012 at 11:53 AM. Reason: typo |
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There is absolutely no evidence that Fairfax stole ANY silver. There is plenty of evidence that Steele lied about him doing so. Latter his wife repeated these same lies. The FBI was not very happy when Fairfax failed to tell them that he had installed a pipe bomb on Cyndi's truck. They were quite embarrassed when an oil change mechanic found it and the local Idaho bomb squad got involved. That dishonesty cost Fairfax two years in jail when he could have gotten off with no charges. I'm sure that he was cured of lying when the FBI arrested him. He still got off with a slap on the wrist compared to Steele. |
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