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Old April 18th, 2012 #41
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Committing political mass killing to save his people, then standing up in court giving a fascist salute and saying that he would've done it again....Breivik has a will of iron.

This is the only thing the kikes and their shabbos goy bitches fear: definitely not the televitz/big money establishment-controlled ballot box, or the peaceful demonstration, however large it might be (OWS, Tea Party, the anti-war rallies of the Boosh era - all safely & comfortably ridden out).
 
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The crux of the matter

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He said his victims – mostly teenagers – were not innocent but legitimate targets because they were representatives of a "multiculturalist" regime he claims is deconstructing Norway's national identity by allowing immigration.
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Old April 18th, 2012 #44
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I don't understand why Breivik hasn't mentioned the boycott of Israel as his motivation.

Must be covering it up.

Yeah, that's the ticket.

Events like this separate the analysts from the dupes and the liars.

Some things are what they appear; some things are not. In politics, more than in other areas, there are incentives to false-flagging. The way to reconcile competing claims, as always, is a careful comparison and sifting of the evidence. And if no conclusion can be reached, then at least a probability assessment can be made.

Now, a thinking man would look at it like this.

"I killed those NorSos to save Norway."

"I killed those NorSos because they wanted to boycott Israel."

Which of those two motives is heavier?

Which would you, or any rational political actor, put his life and freedom on the line for?

The former is 100x heavier than the latter.

So, the only argument that can remain is that someone else put Breivik up to his mission. And for that there is no evidence. But there are liars out there, who have told lies about me and others in WN, trying to pretend Breivik was a stooge. They get away with that because there are a lot of deeply stupid people in White Nationalism. They may have learned to be skeptical of motives, or even to blame jews, but they still are basically the dumb-believers they were before they came to their present racial views, and probably nothing can change their apparently incurable genetic inability to separate reality from lies.

Events like this serve the additional purpose of smoking out the enemy within our ranks, as it leaps to mislead the dopier members of our virtual community.

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I don't understand why Breivik hasn't mentioned the boycott of Israel as his motivation.

Must be covering it up.

Yeah, that's the ticket.

Events like this separate the analysts from the dupes and the liars.

Some things are what they appear; some things are not. In politics, more than in other areas, there are incentives to false-flagging.

Now, a thinking man would look at it like this.

"I killed those NorSos to save Norway."

"I killed those NorSos because they wanted to boycott Israel."
Which of those two motives is heavier?

Which would you, or any rational political actor, put his life and freedom on the line for?

The former is 100x heavier than the latter.

So, the only argument that can remain is that someone else put Breivik up to his mission. And for that there is no evidence. But there are liars out there, who have told lies about me and others in WN, trying to pretend Breivik was a stooge.

So, events like this serve the additional purpose of smoking out the enemy within our ranks.
There is your answer.
 
Old April 18th, 2012 #46
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There is your answer.
No, that's the answer that satisfies the idiots.

Gee, why isn't he using his platform to mention that boycott? Why is he spending all his time talking about saving Norway from the crew filling it with shitskins?
 
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He said his victims – mostly teenagers – were not innocent but legitimate targets because they were representatives of a "multiculturalist" regime he claims is deconstructing Norway's national identity by allowing immigration.

Yep. And he hurt these traitors in the deepest way he could.

If he had murdered muslims or assorted shitskins in Oslo randomly, then ordinary white Norwegians, to be redundant, would have suffered reprisals. Breivik knows the real enemy is the white traitors allied with international jewry to blacken and NWOize the country, and they will not fight back the way muslims would. They'll just cry in their papers, and try to add to laws they already have banning speech and guns. Big deal.

The judeo-left doesn't allow opposition. So he took the only route left, for those unwilling to live under jew-multiculturalist tyranny. And he made a powerful example to others.
 
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Here's my two cents:

Breivik gave a Roman salute with a clenched fist. Hitler and the Nazis gave the Roman salute with an open hand. An open hand is a peace symbol. They lost.
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Old April 18th, 2012 #49
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He said his victims – mostly teenagers – were not innocent but legitimate targets because they were representatives of a "multiculturalist" regime he claims is deconstructing Norway's national identity by allowing immigration.

Yep. And he hurt these traitors in the deepest way he could.

If he had murdered muslims or assorted shitskins in Oslo randomly, then ordinary white Norwegians, to be redundant, would have suffered reprisals. Breivik knows the real enemy is the white traitors allied with international jewry to blacken and NWOize the country, and they will not fight back the way muslims would. They'll just cry in their papers, and try to add to laws they already have banning speech and guns. Big deal.

The judeo-left doesn't allow opposition. So he took the only route left, for those unwilling to live under jew-multiculturalist tyranny. And he made a powerful example to others.
If he knows the enemy is the jews then why does he support Israel so much? Is his hate for muslims so great he finds an ally among the filth?

Of course he did it for what he felt was saving Norway, but can't support jews and do the that at the same time.
 
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No, that's the answer that satisfies the idiots.

Gee, why isn't he using his platform to mention that boycott? Why is he spending all his time talking about saving Norway from the crew filling it with shitskins?
http://www.patriot.nu/artikel.asp?artikelID=1753

Use google translate if you dont want to learn swedish.

http://www.burzum.org/eng/library/war_in_europe01.shtml

This is a good text also.

He was also deeply involved in the EDL (jewish to the core).

Conclusion: Breivik was a shabbez goy.
 
Old April 18th, 2012 #51
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If he knows the enemy is the jews then why does he support Israel so much? Is his hate for muslims so great he finds an ally among the filth?
God. This really isn't that difficult. Breivik supports Israel not because they're jews, but because they're nationalist. He says that 80% of jews support multiculturalism, and by that token are his enemies.

He's not a WN. He just hates a lot of the same things WN do. But he looks at things more culturally than racially. And he read all the more famous American neocon writers.

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Of course he did it for what he felt was saving Norway, but can't support jews and do the that at the same time.
Again, make distinctions that need to be made (and don't make them where they don't). He doesn't support Israelis because they are jews but because they are nationalists, and they look after their own people in their own land, and protect it. He wants the same for Europe and Norway. I don't know if at all or to what extent he recognized the jewish role in preventing other nations from making the same racial blood laws and national protection laws Israel has, which would lead him to talk about what we do here at VNN, ie the jewish role in controlling media, public education and immigration policy, but at the least, as said above, he is very well aware that 80% of jews support the multiculturalism he hates - and are thereby his enemies. But not because they are jews, because they are multiculturalists. But in Israel those jews support monoculturalism, so he supports their nationalism.

Basically, he's a guy who thinks there are good jews and bad jews. Most jews are bad, but some are good, and presumably others can be persuaded. That's not my view, and not the view of most at VNN. But again, the guy is not one of us. He's someone who agrees with us on many things, and, most important in my view, acted thoughtfully, carefully, bravely, and effectively to achieve a result that helps our cause as well as his cause.

Yeah, I wish he was a full WN, but he's not. But he did a positive act that has the effect of racially preserving Norway, and that's what he intended. You could argue he intends only the cultural preservation of Norway, but it's pretty clear from other comments he makes that these are pretty much the same thing. We get into degrees and shades, where WN find it difficult to navigate. I give him credit for acting, as he deserves. I don't entirely agree with his politics, but to say that he loves jews is plainly wrong, and to say that he acted because these kids (sic) wanted to boycott Israel is ridiculous.

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Old April 18th, 2012 #52
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Third day of trial.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...vik-trial-live

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#Breivik - I can accept perhaps 2% (non-Norwegian ethnic population) as long as we don't use N. as a dumping ground for the 2nd + 3rd world
 
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#Breivik - I can accept perhaps 2% (non-Norwegian ethnic population) as long as we don't use N. as a dumping ground for the 2nd + 3rd world

Excellent, a very helpful quotation.

The guy is a cultural conservative, rather than a racial conservative, but it is very clear that he does recognize the strong relation between culture and race, or he wouldn't limit non-whites to 2%, he would claim, instead, as the lying neocon jews he reads do, that Norway can become a mini-fridge AmeriKwa, a proposition nation.

So, even though he reads the American neocons, he disagrees with them on the essential matter of race, to a large degree.

It is hard to argue this stuff with honest dummies that populate much of WN because they can't handle anything that, like this case, isn't either/or.

This guy is about as close to a WN as you can get without actually being one. I think it's fair to call him a functional WN, as I elsewhere label WN who whine and remonstrate functional conservatives. If you see what I mean.

Now we have a situation where, leaving aside the dupes and the deliberate liars, we have WN functional conservatives (not at this site so much as elsewhere, like alt-right) deriding a conservative who is a functional White Nationalist. I believe that qualifies as irony.

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Old April 18th, 2012 #54
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Anders Behring Breivik said he should either be acquitted or executed, describing the maximum jail term of 21 years as a "pathetic punishment". He said he did not wish to be executed "but would have respected it".

Exactly. He has exactly the right attitude: respect for society and for life. The gliberal press as always gets its exactly wrong: America is more civilized than Europe because Europe has abandoned the death penalty, whereas we still have it, in many states. Proud states like Texas and Missouri, not fag states like Connecticult and Kwalifornia.

If you kill someone for no valid reason, you deserve to be killed yourself. You can't run a society, where we all enjoy the benefits, with some people allowed to run around killing others without reprisal. That destroys the basis for social living. And if that destruction is not acknowledged and combated by that society, through whichever judicial form it uses, then that society is degenerate. It has no respect for man. Which is how socialists think. Men don't have free will, they don't make deciosions, they're just random chunks of balsa wood and plastic-bag detritus riding the institutional tide. So they can't be held responsible for anything they do. Man as nigger. We don't worry about protecting ourselves from them, or giving due consideration to the lives of those they destroyed, we worry about their reasons and feeling and problems. That is degenerate. America is not as degenerate as Europe, at least in that way. Europe is positively barbaric. A guy kills 70 Norwegians, and they say, "Oh dear...are we having a bad day?" Life is cheap in Europe.

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Old April 18th, 2012 #55
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Breivik praises the young German National Socialists.

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He expressed no regret for planning and carrying out the attacks that left 77 dead last summer. Maintaining he acted out of "goodness, not evil" to prevent a "major civil war", Breivik insisted: "I would have done it again."

He identified as his enemy the "cultural Marxists" who he said had destroyed Norway by using it as "a dumping ground for the surplus births of the third world". Claiming Norwegians would be a minority in their own capital "within five years", he blamed liberal politicians for bringing about Norway's demise with "feminism, quotas … transforming the church, schools".

The 69 people, many of them teenagers, who died on the island of Utøya when he opened fire on the youth camp of the ruling Labour party were "not innocent", he claimed.

"They were not innocent, non-political children; these were young people who worked to actively uphold multicultural values. Many people had leading positions in the leading Labour party youth wing," he said, going on to compare the Labour party's youth wing (AUF) with the Hitler Youth.

He quoted from a variety of sources to support his case, including, he said, a story written in the Times in February 2010 which he said reported that "three out of five Englishmen believe that the UK has turned into a dysfunctional society as a result of multiculturalism". The Guardian was unable to find evidence of such an article.

Breivik told the court that "ridiculous" lies had been told about him, rattling off a list which accused him of being a narcissist who was obsessed with the red jumper he wore to his first court hearing, of having a "bacterial phobia", "an incestuous relationship with my mother", "of being a child killer despite no one who died on Utøya being under 14".

He was not insane, he repeated many times. He claimed it was Norway's politicians who should be locked up in the sort of mental institution in which he can expect to spend the rest of his life if the court declares him criminally insane at the end of the 10-week trial.

Breivik said: "They expect us to applaud our ethnic and cultural doom … They should be characterised as insane, not me. Why is this the real insanity? This is the real insanity because it is not rational to work to deconstruct one's own ethnic group, culture and religion."

Breivik insisted he was not alone in fighting against "mass immigration". He singled out as examples the National Socialist Underground, the neo-Nazi terror cell responsible for killing nine immigrants and one policewoman in Germany, and Peter Mangs, the man suspected of carrying out a seven-year killing spree in the Swedish city of Malmö.

He said that these "heroic young people" should be celebrated for sacrificing their lives for the conservative revolution. He said that "the three most powerful politicians in Europe" shared his views, saying: "Sarkozy, Merkel and Cameron have all noted that multiculturalism doesn't work."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...?newsfeed=true
 
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God. This really isn't that difficult. Breivik supports Israel not because they're jews, but because they're nationalist. He says that 80% of jews support multiculturalism, and by that token are his enemies.
"In any case; educate yourself and learn the difference. Today’s conservatives and want-to-be Nazis are ignorant when they obsess so much over the Jews. There is no Jewish problem in Western Europe (with the exception of the UK and France) as we only have 1 million in Western Europe, whereas 800 000 out of these 1 million live in France and the UK. The US on the other hand, with more than 6 million Jews (600% more than Europe) actually has a considerable Jewish problem. But please learn the difference between a nation-wrecking multiculturalist Jew and a conservative Jew. Don’t make the same mistake that NSDAP did. Never target a Jew because he is a Jew, but rather because he is a category A or B traitor. And don’t forget that the bulk of the category A and B traitors are Christian Europeans. 90% of the category A and B traitors in my own country, Norway, are Nordic, Christian category A and B traitors."

"We expect the support of all cultural conservative Jews in our future consolidation efforts."

"It will be extremely hard to cooperate with anyone who views our primary ally (the Jews/Israel) as their primary enemy. Their Jew obsession and support to Islamic regimes will severely hinder any direct cooperation. They are blinded by their Jew hate to a degree where they fail to see the imminent threat to Europe represented by Islam."

I grabbed that straight from his manifesto, and that's only a few of the ones i remember. He wants Europe and the Jews to work together. He clearly sees no difference between a European and a Jew. I'm not buying it Alex, put it back on the shelf.

Don't take this as me hating him or not giving him a little support because we are not all perfect and he hasn't yet learned the ways of jews or what they truly are. But lying and saying he's a hero is isn't right, he is just a step in the right direction.

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The Daily Telegraph are blogging daily from the court - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...hree-live.html
 
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He wants Europe and the Jews to work together. He clearly sees no difference between a European and a Jew.
Rubbish. He also wants Europe and Asia to work together (see page 1409); does that mean he sees no difference between Europeans and Asians? He is not anti-semitic, but that doesn't mean he thinks Jews and Europeans are the same:

"Some Jews will claim that they have a higher IQ than Europeans due to biology. However, if this was true then the world IQ ranking would not indicate that the average IQ for European countries is in fact higher than that of Israel".

VNN is not the site for him, but I doubt he is unaware of the Jewish influence on the dominant anti-white ideologies, even if he doesn't name them as Jews. The first section is all about Frankfurt School Jews and Trotskyists. He obviously wants a geopolitical alliance with Israel against the Muslim countries, so alienating Jews is not on his agenda. Tough luck to him. Most of them will never support him, but it doesn't change the fact that his main goal is an ethnically homogeneous Norway (page 1161, for instance), or that he would not hesitate to kill anyone - Jew or not - who supports the mongrelisation of the nation:

"So let there be no doubt whatsoever; I would be the first person to pull the trigger, given the opportunity, if I ever saw a Jewish category A or B traitor. But I will not kill him because he is a Jew, but rather because he is guilty of indirect/direct atrocities against Europeans just like every other cultural Marxist/multiculturalist category A and B traitor. It’s essential to judge each person individually in this regard and not according to their DNA structure".
 
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THIS is how they will play it; pyschobabble nonsense from this point onwards. "Anyone who dares to disagree with OUR world [and our lofty (taxpayer funded) place in it] is a f...ing nutter".


http://theforeigner.no/pages/news-in...ays-professor/

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Defence counsels called Professor Eriksen on yesterday’s day three of the trial because of his writings on multiculturalism in Norway.

“I expect that they want me to help them substantiate the claim that he was not insane,” he said to Reuters.

“What I can say is that his world view, or large parts of his world view are fairly widely shared, not as it were by a majority of the population in Europe, but by substantial groups who feel that globalisation is not going their way that their country is being invaded by foreign, alien enemy Muslims.”

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OSLO, Norway - Confessed mass killer Anders Behring Breivik said his original plans for a terror attack was to bomb Oslo's government district, the Labor Party's office and a third target, possibly the royal palace.

He said the three bombs would be followed by several shooting massacres, if he survived. He decided against multiple bombs because building one was "much more difficult than I thought."

Earlier, he testified that he thought he had only a slim chance of escaping Norway's capital alive after setting off a bomb in the government district on July 22.

The anti-Muslim extremist said he had expected to be confronted by armed police when he left Oslo for a Labor Party youth camp on Utoya island, where he killed 69 people in a shooting massacre.

"I estimated the chances of survival as less than 5 percent," he said.

Police only cordoned off the area directly affected by the blast, and no one stopped Breivik as he drove to the island dressed in a homemade uniform and armed with a rifle and a handgun he said he had named after weapons used by Norse gods.

A total of 77 people were killed in the twin attacks.

On the fourth day of his trial, Breivik entered the Oslo district court without the clenched-fist salute he had used in previous hearings. His lawyers had advised him against it after complaints by survivors of the massacre and relatives of victims.

Breivik has confessed to the attacks but rejects criminal guilt, saying he was acting to protect Norway and Europe by targeting left-wing political forces he claims have betrayed the country by opening it up to immigration.

The key issue of the trial is to establish whether he is criminally insane.

In his testimony, the 33-year-old Norwegian said he prepared for a firefight with police in Oslo by playing computer games, focusing on situations where he would be flanked by two commando teams. He said he played "Modern Warfare," several hours a week, for 16 months starting in January 2010, primarily to get a feel for how to use rifle sights.

Breivik said he decided already in 2006 to carry out what he expected to be a "suicide" operation. First he took a "sabbatical year" fully devoted to play another computer game, "World of Warcraft," for 16 hours a day.

Breivik said that cutting off social contact for a full year helped him prepare for the attacks, but the game-playing was "pure entertainment. It doesn't have anything to do with July 22."

Breivik has shown no remorse of the attacks. He calmly answers questions from prosecutors, except when they ask about the alleged anti-Muslim "Knights Templar" network he claims to belong to. Prosecutors say they don't believe it exists.

When he smiled at one point during questioning Wednesday, Prosecutor Svein Holden asked him how he thought the bereaved watching the proceedings in court would react to that.

"They probably react in a natural way, with horror and disgust," Breivik said. He said he smiled because he knew where Holden was going with his line of questioning.

The main point of his defense is to avoid an insanity ruling, which would deflate his political arguments. He repeatedly accuses prosecutors of trying to "ridicule" him by highlighting portions of a rambling, 1,500-page manifesto he posted before the attacks.

In it — and in a shortened version he read to the court on Tuesday — he said the "Knights Templar" will lead a revolt against "multiculturalist" governments around Europe, with the aim of deporting Muslims.

If found sane, Breivik could face a maximum 21-year prison sentence or an alternate custody arrangement that would keep him locked up as long as he is considered a menace to society. If declared insane, he would be committed to psychiatric care for as long as he's considered ill.

The trial is expected to last 10 weeks.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-...ffice-in-oslo/
 
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