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Old September 25th, 2012 #81
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Anglo-Saxons may think of "W.A.S.P." as an indication of superiority, but Celts see it as inferiority. Celts see only other Celts as their equals, and everyone else, including English and Germans, as our inferiors.
So some unemployed drunken Irishman is superior to a German engineer in the eyes of other Celts because he is Celtic? That is the only criteria?
 
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So some unemployed drunken Irishman is superior to a German engineer in the eyes of other Celts because he is Celtic? That is the only criteria?
Vocation and genetics are two separate issues.



To answer your question more directly, yes the unemployed, drunken, Irishman is superior to the German engineer in the eyes of other Celts because he is one of our own, he is closer to being a blood-relative, a member of our tribe, closer to ourself than the German engineer is or can be. Because he is of our same blood, he is preferable to us, he is one of us.

The same holds true for the White race, which is the ultimate extention of ourselves, it is the limit of our concern. One you cross the line and go outside of the race, you are among people who have no connection to you, no kinship, no common blood; other races are alien to us.

To break it down, it would look something like this:

self > family > clan > tribe > ethnic group > race

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Ever seen Harold 'n' Maude?

The kid keeps repeating attempts at suicide to get his mother to react the right way.

That's part of what I'm doing here.

Not the suicide, the attempt to elicit the right response (right style, right spirit, right rhetoric).
Good movie.

 
Old September 25th, 2012 #84
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What Alex correctly perceives as a distinguishable difference in character between Southerners and non-Southerners is what has long been referred to as the "culture of honor" that exists in the American South, and which evolved out of our unique origins as Southerners:
I don't perceive it, necessarily, Southerners talk about it as though it is real. What I do notice in the South that I think is most relevant to our cause is the general anti-intellectualism and hypocrisy that leads people like 'Stonelifter,' a regular commentator at OD, to fight ZOG's wars abroad while complaining about the North doing the exact same thing to his people during the civil war. Stonelifter is not unusual - his complete inability to trace a relation between his personal behavior and the larger political cause is par for the course in the South. I don't even think it's due to immorality or hypocrisy, it just points up that Southern people, with very few exceptions, feel that consistency doesn't matter. This mentality, which amounts to a culture, or a cultural defect, is why my pleas for people to be serious about our cause -- which would be manifested in taking an ideological line and sticking to it -- fall on deaf ears. What I'm arguing is this consistency is found more commonly in German culture. That's why the Germans, and no other European nation, were able to take power away from the jews in a space and time -- even given their nature and defects or cultural weakness as believably outlined by Wilhelm Marr. They went from basically nothing to sixty in six seconds flat. How did they do that? Because they were a bookish people. An intellectual people. And a consistent people.

These are the attributes that make it possible to organize a power to take on the jews. You don't find them in the South. The South has no interest in even understanding its enemy, whether Yankee or Judean - it's just angry, and reasonably so, over how it was treated.

None of us can do anything about yesterday, but we are failing fully to take advantage of what we can to do change tomorrow.

My point is, although WN has its basis in Southern racial conservatism, that is not an effective basis for fighting jews or fanatical ideological Northern WASP-Germanic protestants, ie the liberals.

I attack Southerners here because there are a lot of them. Just as in college I was surrounded, alone, with WASP protestant liberals, even more than jews, and I attacked them.

Who is our real enemy? How precisely does he hold power over us? What can we do to change this?

And prior to this...who are we? Christ on a crutch, we still have people HERE, let alone other WN/SN sites who think we are christians!

This fundamental confusion, this issue, never rises to the surface to be solved because the Southerns don't think it's a problem. They think I'm the problem for declaring it's an issue and siding with racialists and the proven-effective nationalist approach followed by '30s Germans and today's Greeks.

Just imagine if you had, across WN, people who did what I advocate:

- accepted No Jews. Just Right. Explicitly declared jews the enemy, did not allow them in its groups, treated those who DID truck with them as enemies, no matter their agreement on many other points
- everybody on the same page attacking jews and jew-sellouts and jew-apologists
- everybody using agreed-on terms and debate frames to make our case coherent in the public mind
- everybody attacking the religious conservatives as our enemy, in order to make them stop stealing our thunder and get off the fence.
- no more alt-right shtick allowed - you're either a racial radical, or a pants-wetting conserative

If we did these things, we'd be in danger of succeeding. We'd have a true head. We'd, once we formalized a party and organized things, be set to get our ass-kickers, where the average Southern comes in, to be directing their ass-kickings at our racial enemies rather than the jews'.

What we see today is failure on the part of both Northern and Southern WN. The Southerners fight for the enemy, don't belief in book-learnin' generally, don't believe consistency matters, aren't interested in studying their enemy, just being perpetually angry over historical events that can't be changed, though they continue to ramify. In the north we've got hair-smoothing prettygirl intellectuals, professors and homosexuals, who are smart enough to get the job done, but mainly interested in cutting fine figures among themselves, producing books, multiplying essays, raising funds. But not actually taking their case to real free-standing white men in the real world, or fighting the enemy; it's all indoor work with them.

Look at Hitler. He was an intellectual and warrior. Look at Golden Dawn. #2 Kasidiaris is both the party spokesman and an ex-commando. Men of ideas and of action. Men of consistency and bravery. Not fundraisers. Not driven by money.

What we need in America must follow the NS and GD model because there is no other way, in White culture at least, to defeat the enemy we face. The Muslims have their way, but it's not particularly successful, and it's not something we can duplicate since we don't share their beliefs or culture. But what Germany learned or relearned or figured out is open to all of us. If the Greeks can copy their example, we can too.

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It's been more than two decades since I finished school, but seeing as you were in it at the time I was born, I will let your comments pass due to your advanced age, apart from saying that the Scots and the Welsh consider the title "Anglo" highly offensive when carelessly applied to themselves, or to anyone except the Sassanachs, who are more akin to the Germans than to the Britons.

Anglo-Saxons may think of "W.A.S.P." as an indication of superiority, but Celts see it as inferiority. Celts see only other Celts as their equals, and everyone else, including English and Germans, as our inferiors.
Son, I'm talking in general terms. I don't need or want your input on the historical technicalities of which I'm fully aware. IOW, read and learn. My posts are intended only to generate debate between Linder and HW (Fade). Both have great minds but don't don't know where they're going.
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Look at Hitler. He was an intellectual and warrior. Look at Golden Dawn. #2 Kasidiaris is both the party spokesman and an ex-commando. Men of ideas and of action. Men of consistency and bravery. Not fundraisers. Not driven by money.

What we need in America must follow the NS and GD model because there is no other way, in White culture at least, to defeat the enemy we face. The Muslims have their way, but it's not particularly successful, and it's not something we can duplicate since we don't share their beliefs or culture. But what Germany learned or relearned or figured out is open to all of us. If the Greeks can copy their example, we can too.
Men who fear neither kikes nor threateningly open books are the order of the day. Trying to get many of those who are generally receptive to a racial message to educate themselves (particularly older ones, and particularly concerning Shecky) can be like pulling teeth. They're set in their ways, sure that they already know the score, so they don't need to waste their leisure time after a hard day's work readin' no egghead bullshit. They'll eagerly agree with you that the niggers are outta control, and that the goddam mudball invaders need to be rounded up and the borders closed - but when you tell them that the kikes are the ultimate reason for all the things they hate about today's formerly White societies, and point them toward the proof, why, it's:

"Whoa, hold on there. Let's not go too far, now. JEE-sus was a jew, ya know....."

A big part of the reason for their intellectual laziness is the fear of the doubt that learning inevitably brings.
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I think you're projecting, because you hate niggers.
A distinction: I detest niggers. Hate is for people on one's level. I hate illiberals and jews who create fantasies and try to force them on the rest of us rather than respecting and listening to what reality's trying to tell us.

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Southerners don't hate them, they just recognize the danger and discomfort they present to society.
That's the problem. You actually like them. Northerners really don't. They like niggers ideologically, but in reality they want nothing to do with them. You guys hate them ideologically but in reality have no problem with them living among you. From where I sit, both sides are wrong, and dangerously wrong. My ancestors were against both abolitionists and free niggers. This position is the only one that has borne out historically. Thanks to christ-insanity that your kind defends inflaming BOTH sides of the struggle, the matter could not be dealt with rationally by sane men like my distant relative Usher Linder (who got the abolitionist Lovejoy lynched, if you believe official Illinois history) and Irish immigrant Judge Luke Lawless, who famously (well, I'm trying to make him famous) declared abolitionists to be sanctimonious madmen.

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Nor do Southerners have any desire to feel superior to them.
I'm sorry, sir, that is not accurate.

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They merely realize it as a fact. It is the 'progressive' whites who have the need to feel superior to everybody else, not just niggers, and they are concentrated in the north.
It's not whether they FEEL superior, it's whether they act on it in ways that infringe ordinary canons of behavior. And in the civil war they did. You won't persuade me that Southerns don't feel superior to Northerners, they certainly do. And I don't begrudge. I don't care what anyone feels, it's just fodder to think about and discuss. But when it becomes the basis for society-destroying behavior, as it did with the christ-insanitarians called abolitionists, then it needs to be countered. That's why I'm on the side of the South. They generally don't attack other peoples...except for pay from ZOG (the Stonelifter problem).

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Aren't Germans the largest Euro ethnic group in the US? Aren't most of them in the north? I wouldn't accuse you of being a "progressive", in the slanderous sense, but isn't it you who frets over the inferiority/superiority of Anglos/Germans, Southerners/Northerners, etc?
What I do is discuss different White subcultures in relation to the main problem, as I conceive it. I'm looking for existing cultural patterns or ways or techniques that can be used as the basis or starting point for the development of a political tendency that can take on the illiberal-jew tyranny and defeat it. You know my conclusions in this regard, which of course I will continue to repeat and tweak as I learn more things.

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Slavery would certainly be preferable to what we have today, wouldn't you agree?
Yes. But that's a pointless hypothetical. We have no power to bring back slavery and if we did have that power, we would also have the power to enforce better solutions, like killing all niggers in North America or shipping them back to Africa.

Like I said, I enjoy reading the debate over slavery and its economic utility. That's good stuff intellectually. But slavery could make every white a millionaire and I still wouldn't want it. I don't want niggers around. If Southerners like niggers and love to lord it over them, they can fucking move to Africa. If I'm dictator and I have power and there's still niggers around I can get to, they aint going to exist very long. Not for the dirt-eating yawls to lord it over, nor for the fanatical post-puritans to use as playthings. Them niggers going underground or get their Freaka on.

I believe in systemic solutions. I do not believe in muddling through. And this is no cheap belief. I come up through Burke via Kirk. That's where the hatred of ideology comes from; the problem is that ideology too often means simpled principles or even merely consistency. When you take that line, you get done in by people who take a harder one. Southerners tend to be nice. They overlook ideological differences if they like someone. They make an excuse for him. This is what doesn't work. Northerners are less nice. Less willing to overlook. Jews are positively hateful and unwilling to overlook anything. Look how they turn on their on critics of Israel and knock them out of their shitty college jobs. Look how, per the jew Ed Asner article I posted where he throws over a decade-long friendship with an actor when he finds out she voted for Bush and was a conservative. That quality is nearly unfindable among our kind. And that's why we lose. In the end, consistency and principles is just too hard for us. We're easygoing conservatives with a fondness for the church and love for our fellow man and comfortable in our own skin.

Well if we truly want to win, our prototype victor will be a lot more Linderlike (who am none of those 'good' Southern things) or Elisha Stromlike.

I've said repeatedly to no response whatsoever: is that a price you're willing to pay? To shift Whiteness 25 clicks toward the obnoxious, fanatical, uncomfortable, hyper-organized ideological. Cuz I aint got nothing else to offer, except humor, which is apparently the only reason most of you are even with me. I can't sell you on the rest, at least not yet. I'm not Southern though, so I will never give up. But it is the reason that though I accept every solid Southerner that comes our way I do look to the solution to ultimately come from the North and West.

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Like segregation was a stop gap alternative to free roaming niggers, what's going on at OD is an investigation into alternatives to the current disaster. Sure, removing them completely is the most desired thing but it isn't Anglo-Saxon and Scots-Irish Southerners standing in the way of that. As ever, it's those wonderful people in the blue states. And who, again, is their white majority?
The majority isn't what counts, it's who has the power. Who, again, are the only people who've liberated their nation from jews? Those would be Germans. Not Irish. Not English. The UK was in the bag since Cromwell, and largely because their money-chasing Protestantism meshes well with Judaism, as does the WASP illiberal ideological fanaticism. You can quote Marr and trace the antecedents of insane ideology back to Germany, but it wasn't those folks making it into something racial, they didn't have any niggers around. Germans in the US are to blame for being gullible and being farmers and staying out of politics, for the most part. That's what any official history of Germans in America focuses on - how much, unlike the Irish, they did NOT get into politics.

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Again, if Germany had existed as a maritime power during the age of exploration and the slave trade, you don't think they would have been as full bore into it as the rest? Ah, but they did, they were called Dutch!
Sure, they probably would have. But notice that they get blame for, in Southwest Africa, genociding the Herrero (sp?). Germans were never particularly big on racial feeling of any sort, which is good, because it never prevented their seeing the facts about race and treating them rationally rather than moralizing about them as the christian UKians tended to do.

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Today, who exhibits this "psychological neediness" to look down on others, the racially aware Anglo-Saxon Southerner who continues to resent and resist the present setup, or the disingenuous white liberal 'progressives' in the blue state north where the majority of whites happen to be Germanic? Which group is it whose big shtick is 'providing' for 'the needy' and the 'helpless'? It ain't your average white Southerner who can't understand why this unsustainable program is imposed on him.
I blame the church more than the North. But blame the North all you like, I tend to agree with it. It's my position too, for sure. I just instinctively go toward why Southern culture has failed to evolve, through WN, any serious culture of resistance to ZOG, however you want to define it. That's what's interesting to me because I'm not a historian, although interested in its debates, I'm interested in solving a political problem and creating a stable order for the long-term interests of my kind.

Since Pierce died, no one looks at the big picture. I'm trying in a feeble way to replace that. By perpetually asking the questions: what kind of men do we need to defeat jews? what kind of culture?

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I'm not here to defend everything published at OD but to point out your own even bigger bias. As far as I know there's no hand wringing over the inferiority of Germans going on there. But you have spent plenty of type deriding non-Germanic Euros as inferior, since before OD took up the Southern cause. To what end? Why the obsession over which Euro nation is superior/inferior?
As I said above. Which really wouldn't be hard for anyone to figure out. Do you seriously not get it? Why are Southerners so easily offended, and completely unable to grasp what I'm saying. It's not difficult. It really isn't. I'm looking at Southern culture through the lens of:

- what are its patterns?
- can they be used as a basis for defeating the powers that be - ie ZOG?

And I'm concluding, to no real intellectual resistance or disagreement, that there is virtually nothing in Southern culture that can sustain a successful fight against the WASP-illiberal/judean overlords.

Who says I'm wrong? Who? Who? Who? You? Then explain. But I get nothing. Because Southerners don't even comprehend what I'm talking about. The only real strategy the South seems to have is just keep on keeping on, and maybe one day things will get better. I think they subconsciously know they can't win. So why not take money to serve their masters - ie the Stonelifter approach? That's not how the jews or Notherners, ie the winners, would do things. They would keep resisting until they overcame and won. That's why I find the ubquitous Southern belief in Southern toughness kind of strange. If you really were tough, men like Stonelifter wouldn't exist. Or, if I'm being unfair, you can say Southerns are only tough militarily. It just so happens that's about the most useless form of toughness give the sides doing battle.

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I think you're overemphasizing Southern bragging too. What there is of it, today, is mainly Southerners throwing their hands up at the mess we're all in and trying to reclaim their identity as a prerequisite to separating from the beast. As someone who recognizes that there are ethnic differences between whites, shouldn't you want your Norsemen to be doing the same thing? IMO the recognition of and respect for historical and regional differences among American whites and for their desire to govern themselves separately would be more likely to induce respect, appreciation and cooperation across the divides. IOW, get out of my house and we'll be able to work together.
Yep. Sure. I don't particularly like the South, but I'm a Southern sympathizer. I don't like the Midwest either, to be honest. But it's less an ethnic thing than a religious thing.

I truly believe that OD is missing the focus: it should be on the horrors wrought in the minds and culture of white men, north and south by this monstrous cult.

The type of world I want to live in doesn't exist in the US any longer, if it ever did. I want a minimalist central government, and a patchwork of small states.

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OK, on one hand you spend years pointing at what you consider to be the inferiority of whites you don't relate to and at the same time you expect whites, as a race, to "take power". You must see the contradiction.
It's only a minority that ever runs anything. My concern is the creation of a political tendency that can take power from illiberal-jew combination. I don't care what ethnic group the winners come from so long as they figure out how to win and then actually win.

I fully admit I engage in the black art of pissing off certain people for no other reason than to inspire them to prove me wrong, and that certainly includes the South. That's why I viciously mock dirt-eaters and hidebound religious conservatives, the infamous animal-level no-necks. Prove me wrong. Best me. Beat me up. I'll love you for it. If you can win in a non-me-approved way, I'll show up at your freaking door with a shakin' snake and a rueful smile, begging to be let in! I'll let you douse me in one of your fetid marshes in the name of Jebus the Great.

I just want to win. Sorry, that's awfully Northern of me. See, my culture, the part I never talk about, is the Puritans. They are fanatical, ideological and highly driven, intelligent people. They are pretty darn indomitable. Those are qualities I could draw on in opposing the horrible culture their RELIGIOUS instanity has created, in conjunction with the now-ruling jews. What in YOUR culture is there to draw on to defeat the jews? That's all I'm asking, and saying I don't see anything. Just a slow-moving, anti-intellectual religious culture that can't figure out the game, let alone win it.

But prove me wrong! That's why I'm insistent and obnoxious. Prove me the fuck wrong. Cuz I don't think I am wrong. In fact, I pretty much guarantee I'm not wrong.

See, I don't think you guys understand certain things. I'm not looking for friends. I'm not looking for you to like me. I'm looking to solve a huge problem that faces all of us who are white normalists, so to speak, living anywhere from Sweden to Australia. That's all I care about. We must cast about coldly until we find the right way, sparing no one's feelings. Putting all our subcultures under the microscope to find the source of the sickness or the regenerative power.

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Just as Anglos and Germans, minus the jew problem, would appreciate their ethnic differences rather than resentfully harp on them, so do Southerners vis-a-vis other Americans. But the sooner those other Americans discover or develop their own, separate identity, the sooner we can each "take power" in our respective regions. Waiting for them to all unite in racial brotherhood is like waiting for the EU to bind European nations in brotherhood. It ain't gonna happen because, as you recognize, there are differences in nations. They want their respective identities preserved. That's what the whole fight is about.
Yeah, that's what OD is pitching but it's pie in the sky. Why would they let you go the first time? Why couldn't you force them when you were strong. Now when you're 1000x weaker, you're going to get what you couldn't then? I don't see it. The problem is in the central government, it's not a local or a regional problem. And the cruel but accurate point you don't want to hear is that you don't enough brainpower in the South to liberate yourselves.

White Nationalism is what we need. OD make the point that it's abstract and not rooted without seeing that this is more of a strength than a weakness. WN is based on how MOST whites act when left to their own devices. It's like a tent-pole barn, and then the regions or states are picnic tables under it. WN doesn't pretend to address or solve EVERY problem or mediate every cultural difference, rather it's a racial, national solution to a racial, national problem. Which is exactly what we need under current circumstances.

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And hey, wouldn't you like to sell your niggers to a separate nation? Wouldn't that rid you of what you hate whilst turning a profit?
All OD ever says is they will ship niggers OUT of the South to us nigger-lovers up north. But we don't like niggers. Most of us hate them or despise them It's you who doesn't mind living around them judging by your actual behavior. I do. I would love to live in many areas in Virginia, for one state, it's friggin' beautiful. But not when there's niggers around. No freakin' way.

I don't say one thing and do another. Well, of course I do, we all are hypocritical to an extent. But when I do, I'm conscious of it and I regret it. I don't overly het up about it because I'm not a religious crank, I just go into my self-coaching mode, and ask, "Jesus Christ, boy, is that really all we can expect out of you? That is it? C'mon, man, you can and MUST do better than that." Meh. That's how I do it.

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Linder, how much time have you spent in the South? I've been reading you since 2000 and I know your resume. You have no conception of the South or of Southerners than your internet perception. As much as I admire a lot of things you have written and as much as I think you could lead an intellectual army, I think you're currently going down the wrong alley.

Get off "Christians". Get off "British" as opposed to Germans. It's masturbation!
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Remember, when kids grow up, they begin by believing that daddy is god and can do anything. That has to be reinforced by whites. What we need, ALEX, is The Book of White People, to take the place of the bible, book of mormon, and every other religious pamphlet.
A good idea, as long as it is not CALLED a bible, as Klassen foolishly did.
 
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Linder recognizes these differences, as do I. IOW, it's a point accepted by both opposing parties, both who know what they're talking about, so skip the bottom-up lesson, OK?
I don't know whether the differences are primarily cultural or racial but they do exist.

I'm not even really interested in them except as they pertain to our common political problem, if you even agree we have one.
 
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Anglo-Saxons may think of "W.A.S.P." as an indication of superiority, but Celts see it as inferiority. Celts see only other Celts as their equals, and everyone else, including English and Germans, as our inferiors.
That's not accurate. Celts see themselves as inferior, hence their need to brag nearly continually. WASPs and Germans don't even think about such. At most they assume it, since, well - the world.
 
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I don't know whether the differences are primarily cultural or racial but they do exist.

I'm not even really interested in them except as they pertain to our common political problem, if you even agree we have one.
You're kidding, right?
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I appreciate the kind words...lol.. sorry about wandering.. I have been told I reason things out backwards, and trying to grasp the Zeitgeist and put thought into useful words is difficult...at least, extremely for me.

Ahmedinejad is an intelligent man.
He also has a sense of humor and a wryness about him. Stuff you never see in American politicians who are inevitably flat and obvious because anything intelligent or shaded would scare the audience. America is a cheerleader mixed with a religious cretin and must be appealed to like a particularly slow kindergartner.
 
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He also has a sense of humor and a wryness about him. Stuff you never see in American politicians who are inevitably flat and obvious because anything intelligent or shaded would scare the audience. America is a cheerleader mixed with a religious cretin and must be appealed to like a particularly slow kindergartner.
What a pity he looks like a shifty-eyed dealer in pre-owned camels.
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Son, I'm talking in general terms. I don't need or want your input on the historical technicalities of which I'm fully aware. IOW, read and learn. My posts are intended only to generate debate between Linder and HW (Fade). Both have great minds but don't don't know where they're going.
That is manifestly unfair to me who has kept a name and a consistent position from day one.

The only reason I reopened to this person (who does not use his real name) is that he has professional history-writing ability, and we can't afford to overlook anyone useful provided they can sythesize minimal behavioral standards. I'm giving him a second chance as far as I'm concerned. Maybe he doesn't care about that, I don't know. But he's managed some stability for the last year, and I'm hoping my chip on the pile will help a little in that regard.

I'm not friendly or nice, but in many ways better than that I'm predictable and reliable and stable. It is extremely unfair to compare me with him in that regard.

If Southern Nationalism can work, more power to it. I doubt it, for the reasons I've outlined many times. But let the debate go on.
 
Old September 26th, 2012 #96
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Linder, how much time have you spent in the South? I've been reading you since 2000 and I know your resume. You have no conception of the South or of Southerners than your internet perception. As much as I admire a lot of things you have written and as much as I think you could lead an intellectual army, I think you're currently going down the wrong alley.

Get off "Christians". Get off "British" as opposed to Germans. It's masturbation!
But that would mean getting back on the same stuff everyone else is. Which would lead where it always has. Ignore contradictions! Muddle through! Embrace everybody except the principled - reject them!

LOOOOOSSSEEEEEEEERRRRR

You're too Southern even to understand what I'm saying, let alone cope with it mentally. Look at what Golden Dawn is doing: the polar opposite of what the Southern-Christian-conservative strain of WN has always done. And they are succeeding.

I've been in the panhandle of Florida for weeks, if that ain't the South, then I don't know what is. Baptist boo boxes alternating with Waffle Houses. I managed to get in a bar fight with a Southerner who claimed he had gone to Yale. Over the merits of Thomas Pynchon. I tried to pick up a single mom near an army base but she was only interested in telling me about her kid's lice. I saw foot-wide Eastern Diamondback skins pegged to a wall, and bones of shot boars in the sandy soil beneath the pines. My long-dead grandmother died in Dunedin, Fla., near Clearwater, and I had gone down there many times. I always got a thrill from the fiddler crabs running around among their tiny holes, like bald man's beach divots. I gave a speech to a medical company's annual convention down in Bradenton or one of those richy areas down there in Miami. Afterwards I drove my rental car down through the keys. Not my first trip there. I've traveled all over Viriginia and West Virginia when I lived in DC for a decade; and also through a good portion of North Carolina. Maryland too - I've lived near Baltimore and around and in DC and southern Penn. I've driven all the way down 95 from DC to Miami for a flight to Puerto Rico for a week's vacation. I've lived in Missouri for 14 years. I've been to Dallas and South Padre about a dozen times. I've been to Duke's area of Louisiana. To get there had to travel through good stretch of Mississippi, which taught me that, like Missouri and Pennsylvania and New York state, Mississippi is a good deal more heavily forested than one might have thought; different feel to the niggers than you get in St. Louis, too. My family even lived very briefly on Bayou LaBatrie (?) for a time. I know my parents always quoted me saying "more grits!" in some restaurant, to general amusement. And my mom would do a Southern accent woman saying to me "yor daddy shore left his stamp on you!" and referring to her "yankee baby." But I have no memories of that period. It was a baby or toddler. I was childhood friends with a transplanted Southerner who was from New Orleans, and endlessly bragging on Bobby Bowden. I've covered numerous conferences in Atlanta, as a trade journalist, and seen the niggers and other non-white wildlife around the places of peach. Also been over 64 a million times, through Kentucky. The only South I have really not seen much at all, either once or nonce, is Alabama and Mississippi, I suppose. And South Carolina. Not much Arkansas either.

I believe I have a grasp on the Southern mentality. It's religious, friendly-intrusive and dilatory, among other things - best described by Florence King, in my opinion. It's not my way. I can deal with it, no problem. I like a lot of the same things (fishing and sports and such) and share the most basic views: leaving other people alone, decentralization. Beyond that, not much in common.

Should say also, whatever of intellectual merit the South has produced I've eaten: Calhoun, Robert Penn Warren's novel, Truman Capote's In Cold Blood. But mainly Calhoun, and also Randolph. I've read the Agrarians' stuff to get the intelligent reaction to modernism. I've read with great appreciation the valuable moderns like Jimmy Cantrell (why did that guy quit publishing stuff online)? I get the heart of the problem that led to the civil war - see my review of Gone with the Devil. I've run a forum with loads of Southerners for 10 years. I'm not sure what there is to learn I don't know.

How many of you Southerns have had direct personal involvement with men and the TYPE that actually runs our country? I'll bet I have more experience with Southerners than most of you have with those. And that's why I write the way I do. I know what our enemy is actually like. Just because you hate him more than I do doesn't mean you understand him better or know how to defeat him. If so prove it. I make the challenge and get nothing but crickets every time.

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The Germans are decent folks, don't get me wrong. I certainly see them as superior to the Mediterranean Europeans, and the Eastern Europeans; perhaps a little more down to earth than the Scandinavians; but Germans and Celts are two different cultures and I prefer my own.
The Irish and Scots weren't even considered true Europeans until very recently in human history. There's a reason the British called them white niggers, or niggers turned inside out. They almost died of a 'potato famine' while surrounded by an ocean full of fish. The Celts really have no room to talk about any peoples, since their accomplishments amount to basically zilch. They've been quite unproductive and inconsequential throughout the ages and only began to contribute to humanity when they, like the nigger, were forced to do so.

This doesn't stop them from poaching other whites(wasps/germans/meds) accomplishments, though, while disparaging them in the same breath. The Mediterraneans are so far superior to the Celts in what they've contributed to humanity - in both the arts and the sciences - there's literally no point in even attempting to draw a comparison. Your 'clans' were still living in thatch huts frolicking around in skirts fucking sheep when the Romans were running the most advanced civilization in the world.
 
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Tend to agree with Russell: I would look to Italy/Greece/Spain/France for pointers long before anyplace in the UK.

Germanic culture and Latin culture can coexist, as proved in Switzerland, which features the longest running and most successful decentralization of power in any White land, as far as I can tell. Since we're all in bragging mode, that's where my people come from on both sides.
 
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Here's the South for you. Please note that I do like football. And I'm better at it than you, if you must ask. Well, most of you, ha.

http://jezebel.com/5946222/bible+tot...about-football
 
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That's not accurate. Celts see themselves as inferior, hence their need to brag nearly continually. WASPs and Germans don't even think about such. At most they assume it, since, well - the world.
You seemed to have missed my expanded explanation of this:

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yes the unemployed, drunken, Irishman is superior to the German engineer in the eyes of other Celts because he is one of our own, he is closer to being a blood-relative, a member of our tribe, closer to ourself than the German engineer is or can be. Because he is of our same blood, he is preferable to us, he is one of us.

The same holds true for the White race, which is the ultimate extention of ourselves, it is the limit of our concern. One you cross the line and go outside of the race, you are among people who have no connection to you, no kinship, no common blood; other races are alien to us.

To break it down, it would look something like this:

self > family > clan > tribe > ethnic group > race
Being one of our own will always make someone superior to someone who is from outside our own.

This holds true whether we are talking about Celt vs. Saxon, or Southerner vs. Yankee.

That is our conceit of ourselves.

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