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Old August 10th, 2009 #41
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Oh yes - didn't the IRA try and assassinate him on his way home from school, or something? I forgot about that.
Indeed they did, his brother quentin was an employee of MI5 and even interned where he was sent to Coventry by real Fascists such as my Uncles.Just because someone is a hard on nazi does not mean they cannot "real politique" with the state.In fact the harder core the better as the state manipulators can convince such characters that everyone else is a lemming.In the modern era I have seen inexplicable guilty pleas by "activists" in the style of the loyalist terrorists. Anyone concerned about state involvement really should take stock of their own activities and communications and act accordingly.

For example this soccer hooligan anti muslim caper, this is driven by state operatives either unknowingly or more likely "guided". The whole thing looks like the result of a Tony Blair think tank set up after 9/11 to anticipate what the reprcussions will be with the UK harbouring a million or so mudslim militants.The think tank will have course have predicted blood on the streets as the think tank expenses and funds run out as with Copeland the former NI intel operatives need something to validate their apocolyptical vision.The vista of non racist civic patriots tearing up the place should ensure bundles of dough allround.

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Indeed they did, his brother quentin was an employee of MI5 and even interned where he was sent to Coventry by real Fascists such as my Uncles.Just because someone is a hard on nazi does not mean they cannot "real politique" with the state.In fact the harder core the better as the state manipulators can convince such characters that everyone else is a lemming.In the modern era I have seen inexplicable guilty pleas by "activists" in the style of the loyalist terrorists. Anyone concerned about state involvement really should take stock of their own activities and communications and act accordingly.

For example this soccer hooligan anti muslim caper, this is driven by state operatives either unknowingly or more likely "guided". The whole thing looks like the result of a Tony Blair think tank set up after 9/11 to anticipate what the reprcussions will be with the UK harbouring a million or so mudslim militants.The think tank will have course have predicted blood on the streets as the think tank expenses and funds run out as with Copeland the former NI intel operatives need something to validate their apocolyptical vision.The vista of non racist civic patriots tearing up the place should ensure bundles of dough allround.

Advice to activists : Never trust anyone reputed to be "shrewd" or "clued up" or "connected" They probably are but not in the way you think
I didn't know that about his brother - I'll read up on that - thanks!

This football caper does have the hallmarks of a set up by someone or some group, coming as it does with the news that Malik is diverting money from combatting muslim terrorists into combatting white racists. It could be a toe in the water prior to Turkey joining the EU - it could be an excuse to begin proscribing the BNP (fortunately if this was the plan it backfired since the BNP stayed away and condemned the violence rather nicely.) or it could be something more sinister. These are interesting and worrying times.
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I didn't know that about his brother - I'll read up on that - thanks!

This football caper does have the hallmarks of a set up by someone or some group, coming as it does with the news that Malik is diverting money from combatting muslim terrorists into combatting white racists. It could be a toe in the water prior to Turkey joining the EU - it could be an excuse to begin proscribing the BNP (fortunately if this was the plan it backfired since the BNP stayed away and condemned the violence rather nicely.) or it could be something more sinister. These are interesting and worrying times.
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Plenty of warning for the next one, anyway.

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/show...&postcount=144

Either this is extremely naive or there's something dodgy. I don't think the linked poster is dodgy, but I think someone involved is to be publicising it this soon, if at all.
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most of these involved in these demos are from the midlands. they are being run by a former afa member, hence the we're not racist placards ect.

there is supposed to be one in manchester next week. oldham wont be attending though. if they really wanted to do something, they wouldn't be wandering round the city centres but going into the asian estates. imagine if they went and occupied an extremist mosque and then phoned the news channels up to come and record it. that would get them a lot further than what they are doing at the moment.
 
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most of these involved in these demos are from the midlands. they are being run by a former afa member, hence the we're not racist placards ect.

there is supposed to be one in manchester next week. oldham wont be attending though. if they really wanted to do something, they wouldn't be wandering round the city centres but going into the asian estates. imagine if they went and occupied an extremist mosque and then phoned the news channels up to come and record it. that would get them a lot further than what they are doing at the moment.
I think the Manchester one is on the 10th of October, UAF will have even more recruits due to the universities being back.

Watching it all on youtube, these don't seem to be REAL footy lads, the hardcore 25-50 year old, seen it, done it and bought the T-shirt. They seem in the main to be young lads 18-21 who have probably seen this advertised on facebook and thought it was a good idea.
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Letter published in today's Birmingham Post:

http://www.birminghampost.net/commen...5233-24365332/


UAF protester 'sorry' rally got out of hand in Birmingham

Aug 11 2009 Birmingham Post
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Dear Editor, I would like to start by apologising to the people of Birmingham for the events of Saturday evening which I am highly ashamed to have been a part of. However, as a moderate who took part in the UAF protest I would like to set the record straight.

I, like the vast majority of people in Birmingham love the fact that our city is so diverse and vibrant. I felt that this was worth defending, especially from a bunch of trouble makers many of whom were from outside the city.

Unfortunately it turned out the UAF were no more interested in our community than the racists many of us turned out to oppose!

The young Muslims who rampaged through the city streets were incited to violence by UAF activists. I was near the front of the rally in Rotunda Square and I saw how they worked and I saw how it got out of hand.

The UAF should have switched rhetoric when they saw that the young Muslims were getting restless and angry. Instead what they did was get increasingly aggressive speakers to talk about ‘smashing the BNP’ (who not directly involved with the protest) whilst sending agitators into the crowd, with megaphones, to whip up anger there.

Only a few members of the Socialist Workers party, some trade unionists and a few moderate Muslim blokes who had been recruited as marshals on the day, remained to help the Police calm the riot.

I would like to commend the West Midlands Police Force for their sensitive handling of the protest and us protesters during what was a very difficult situation.

However, the ten or so members of the Muslim community who stayed with the protest whilst it was settled are the true unsung heroes of the sad event.

I never got to know their names, however, I am very proud to have worked with them in defusing the tensions that built up between rioters and Police. A true example of why our city is great.

As to the UAF well, I don’t mind announcing that I will never join one of their protests again. Once again I can only say how sorry I am that it all got so out of hand. If we had known how it would turn out then I’m sure a lot of protesters would have stayed home.

The UAF has achieved nothing except to create racial tensions were non existed before.

Yours in penance,

Josh Allen, Bournville
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According to the comments to that letter, the woman seen inciting the violence in this video
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/w...ds/8191833.stm is Councillor Yaqoob. Another councillor backing the UAF then and they still try and claim they aren't state funded?
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Strange how the police allowed demo by EDL to take place in the first place, isn't it?
Without a doubt the EDL has already been infiltrated by the police
considering the start of a new soccer season, where events could rapidly
get out of hand.

We'll see if the organisers dare attempt a match day demo!
 
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Interesting video about the EDL which clearly shows the anti-racist placards, an Israeli Flag and comments from supporters which shows they are non racist and not on our side.

 
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which is why no oldham have been present at these marches.
 
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The muppet who laid the Union flag on the ground had it the wrong way round. Pratt not Patriot.
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The muppet who laid the Union flag on the ground had it the wrong way round. Pratt not Patriot.
Compared with those carrying "Black and White Unite" banners, treatment of the Union Flag is hardly significant.

However, there is a right way to fly the flag from a pole (broad white stripes on top on the pole side), but so far as I know, there's no right way round to put it on the ground, or for any other use. The only correct orientation is in relation to the flag pole.

One might consider it an insult to have the flag laid on the ground any way round!

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Absolutely. That was a point I was going to make but somehow I got side-tracked.
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Absolutely. That was a point I was going to make but somehow I got side-tracked.
i noticed the one at the start which says somethign like sharia law mean execution of gays , (so sharia laws not all bad then). in my opinion
 
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Don't believe all you see or hear, not all EDL are racist, but all EDL hate Muslim extremists
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There were angry clashes in a city centre today as right-wing protesters fought with anti-fascist campaigners in a busy shopping street.

A planned demonstration by The English Defence League in central Birmingham descended into violence as the group charged along New Street, close to the city's main train station.

One onlooker said: "There were about 250 people in total, fighting and throwing bottles at each other."

The disorder spilled onto the adjoining Bennetts Hill, a street lined with a number of pubs, popular with shoppers.

Dozens of riot police worked to contain the disturbance and a police helicopter hovered overhead.

A police spokeswoman said there had been "pockets" of trouble but could not confirm whether any arrests had been made.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/w...ds/8239818.stm

Rival protestors have clashed in Birmingham leading to a large police presence on some streets.

A group calling itself the English Defence League which met to demonstrate against Islamic extremism was met with a counter protest near the city centre.

Several people were arrested last month when English Defence League protesters clashed with members of United Against Fascism.

Police said more than 20 men have been arrested on a bus in Digbeth.

A West Midlands Police spokesman said the arrests for violent disorder were made shortly after 1530 BST.

A 41-year-old man was also arrested for violent disorder in Waterloo Street.

Officers also said sporadic outbreaks of disorder took place in Bennetts Hill and New Street, with missiles being thrown.

A police spokeswoman said trouble causers would be dealt with "robustly".

Shopping route

Before the demonstration police and the city council obtained an order allowing them to restrict "trespassing groups" in the Bullring area of the city, under section 14a of the Public Order Act.

They were also granted permission to impose conditions on the protesters, restricting them to certain locations and a limit of 250 people.

Orders were also passed restricting the demonstrations to two locations.

But after meeting on Broad Street in the city's entertainment district, demonstrators went to New Street, about half a mile away, and trouble broke out.

The street, which houses a large number of banks, cafes and chain stores, is a major pedestrian shopping route.

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Just watching the bbc news and not a word on the TV about this .... But I bet the Dutch Tv cover it ... I'll have a look.
 
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