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Old May 17th, 2010 #21
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Speaking of setting the pattern for years to come. You want to go back to the pogroms of the early twenties?
How bout Gusty Spence? Tell everyone what he did in 66. Bombay street.
How bout the name Buck Robinson? Sound familiar?
The IRA indiscriminately targeted innocent Protestant civilians. You denied that when it was patently untrue. That makes you a liar.
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Old May 17th, 2010 #22
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The Four Step inn, the first blatantly sectarian bombing 29th September 1971.

The Shankill have never forgotten this atrocity.

That set the pattern for years to come.
Even if it were true that the IRA were indiscriminate murderers, which they're not.
How does it make it right for loyalists to do the same?
I want you to come out and say that its right for loyalists to kill catholic civilians.
No making comparisons with the IRA or saying they did worse.
Just say it.
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Old May 17th, 2010 #23
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If I was an Irish Republican I would be glad that theres a ceasefire, and weapons have been decommisioned, and that Sinn Fein are signed up to the peace process, and due to that, they are more popular then ever.

Ricky seems to want a return to the dark days, the people in Northern Ireland obviously dont.
 
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The IRA were Marxists who believed, and believe, in attacking the British people. They're entirely devoted to attacking genuine, honest patriots, and worked with many Marxist groups over the years including Red Action and the Tariq Ali's International Marxist Group, the largest grass roots Marxist group in th 1970s.

So they were Marxist, race mixers, and had links to many a dodgy Stalinist regime.

That should be enough to go on.
 
Old May 17th, 2010 #25
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The IRA indiscriminately targeted innocent Protestant civilians. You denied that when it was patently untrue. That makes you a liar.
You still haven't given me your opinion on loyalist atrocities.
You gave me one quote from David Ervine then you claimed the IRA started it.
Neither answers the question.
Let's be specific. Shankill butchers,Loughinisland,greysteel,Mobile sweetshop in Craigavon, what's yer opinion on these? Right? Wrong?
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Old May 17th, 2010 #26
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The IRA were Marxists who believed, and believe, in attacking the British people. They're entirely devoted to attacking genuine, honest patriots, and worked with many Marxist groups over the years including Red Action and the Tariq Ali's International Marxist Group, the largest grass roots Marxist group in th 1970s.

So they were Marxist, race mixers, and had links to many a dodgy Stalinist regime.

That should be enough to go on.
The threads not about IRA. Its about Loyalists.
Do you have a problem with basic reading skills or are you dodging the question like everybody else?
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Old May 17th, 2010 #27
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Stockport Loyalist....you're right mate,he is a liar.So Rick Lahey,are you going to condemn the I.R.A for some of the shithouse tactics they used?
 
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Granville.....If Ricky wants to return to the dark old days then why doesn't Ricky put HIMSELF in the firing line!?
 
Old May 17th, 2010 #29
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If I was an Irish Republican I would be glad that theres a ceasefire, and weapons have been decommisioned, and that Sinn Fein are signed up to the peace process, and due to that, they are more popular then ever.

Ricky seems to want a return to the dark days, the people in Northern Ireland obviously dont.
No. I don't want a return to the dark days when loyalists threw bombs thru 70 year old grandmothers windows.
But really those dark days never left. Just over a year ago in Coleraine a gand of brave british patriots kicked to death a frail 50 year old catholic.
What was that returning the serve for stockport?
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Old May 17th, 2010 #30
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The vast majority of their attacks were right. They killed hundreds of foreign soldiers occupying their country.
They killed loyalists who almost solely targeted catholic civilians.
They killed RUC who served the crown. They killed touts,dealers,molestors.
They killed brit polititians who refused to allow ireland its freedom.

People on here like to point out a tiny number of civilians killed in IRA mistakes.
But nobody talks of the large number of combatants the IRA killed.

Now you want to give me yer opinion on loyalists who almost solely target civilians?
Or do you want to dodge the question yet again?


Whilst not wanting to defend the killing of innocent people whether they be Catholic or Protestant, the Provisional IRA did get involved in useless sectarianism in the mid 70's in Belfast. In the early 70's the Belfast O/C was a devout catholic and believed that for every innocent Catholic killed there should be a Protestant victim!
This blatant sectarianism was one of the reasons that the old IRA leadership was replaced by Adams, Bell and others when they were released from prison. The other reason the old guard were replaced was because of their disastrous ceasefire in 1975, which was used by British Intelligence to gather information on formally unknown IRA members.

As for the loyalists, they took slightly longer to target known Republicans, but once they did, the response from the IRA and Sinn Fein was one of fear,with many leading officials virtually living in steel fortresses.
If anyone is interested in this subject, i'd recommend 'Voices from the Grave' which is a book of two halves - one by former leading Belfast IRA man, Brendan 'darkie' Hughes and the other by former UVF and Progressive Unionist Party leader, David Ervine.
 
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The provo groupies like their mirror image loyalist groupies manage to trivialise an important political issue that could have and should have been sorted a 100 years ago.It has dragged on and on all the while applauded,endorsed and encouraged by vested interest shrouding itself as social virtue.Two people from different sides one won his reputation as a politician there the other won his medals that made him at one time the most decorated soldier in the British Army.
Namely Adams and McNab (Mitchell) Their books on the subject give you entirely different perspectives.Oddly enough they agree on one thing "The troubles" were encouraged and sustained by the security establishment to the point of murder.I posted links here to the ongoing court cases it is a long job to wade through them.

Where to now ? As we have seen with labours immigration policy and its effect in Barking the establishment are using third world proxies to submerge and negate any manifestation of nationalist will in its traditional sense.Obviously what went before is not good enough,it is possible that old rivalries can be kept smouldering and have a redux of the same a sort of groundhog day to keep the touts,groupies and lazy politicians in a lucrative income of money and thrills.Either way it is grotesque that Aryans with the wherewithal to stick to the man in a most direct manner should piss it all away for the existing nation state's.
The existence of heavily armed paramilitaries from both sides has not prevented an invasion of mongol horde proportions in the free state and the north.Until such time as I see this problem addressed in the "traditional way" I refuse to believe that a single "nationalist" of either nation exists on the entire island of Ireland.It beggers belief that as a given their stated antecedents indicated that should such an invasion ever occur the only problem would be who could remove the invader first and claim responsibility.The reality was somewhat different both sides rolled over took the money and claimed they were not racist,pathetic a pox on both their houses.

The only reason Irish WN and nationalists do not look as stupid as their British counterparts in supporting "their" side is that there are no Irish WN and nationalists.The nsiwp was anti both groups as one would expect
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Old May 17th, 2010 #32
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Stockport Loyalist....you're right mate,he is a liar.So Rick Lahey,are you going to condemn the I.R.A for some of the shithouse tactics they used?
I've already said the IRA made mistakes. The vast majority of the people they killed were legitimate targets.
There's not a single person on here who's given their opinions on loyalists.
When are you going to give me a response?
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It was a war and 99% of Nationalist and National Socialists wanted rid of the Marxists of the IRA and whilst we might not like the deaths of civillians sometimes these things can't be avoided, sadly.

But the war was against Marxists and we should all support such a war. The IRA-Sinn Fein was supported by the extreme left Europe wide and by elements in the Soviet Bloc and Middle East.

Furthermore, many of us came under attack from IRA apologists in the form of the Troops Out Movement and Red Action so I think our support for their enemies makes a lot of sense.
 
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Excuse my typo. It's civilians.

Durr.
 
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So I guess that answers my question.
Loyalists are cowardly murdering scumbags since not one person has come to their defence.
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It was a war and 99% of Nationalist and National Socialists wanted rid of the Marxists of the IRA and whilst we might not like the deaths of civillians sometimes these things can't be avoided, sadly.

But the war was against Marxists and we should all support such a war. The IRA-Sinn Fein was supported by the extreme left Europe wide and by elements in the Soviet Bloc and Middle East.

Furthermore, many of us came under attack from IRA apologists in the form of the Troops Out Movement and Red Action so I think our support for their enemies makes a lot of sense.
How many marxists were killed at loughinisland?
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Sorry mate I thought I just had made it very clear that I support the Loyalists and as it happens I have marched with them in Glasgow, Southport and Belfast.

I think a lot of people on here support the Loyalists, warts and all. I have seen many NS types on pro loyalist events.

Is that helpful?
 
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I don't really see why you are seeking "apologists" for Loyalist acts on this site. Wouldn't you be better taking your question direct to them, on a Loyalist site.
As Richardson said, the IRA were/are a marxist organisation, so that alone makes them enemies of ours.
The left wing have always supported the IRA side of things, the right wing the Loyalist side of things. What more is there to say?

Personally i would rather white folk united, rather then killing one another over a dead jew on a stick, but hey ho...........

If you want to dig the protestant side of things on a site like this, you may be better focusing on bounders like Oliver Cromwell.
 
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In any war there are innocent deaths and civilian casualties. I'm sure most of us can live with that......

NO SURRENDER TO THE IRA!
 
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Sorry mate I thought I just had made it very clear that I support the Loyalists and as it happens I have marched with them in Glasgow, Southport and Belfast.

I think a lot of people on here support the Loyalists, warts and all. I have seen many NS types on pro loyalist events.

Is that helpful?
Be more specific in your support.
Was Loughinisland a good op? Was 87 year old Barney Green a provie or a marxist?
Were the shankill butchers defending their community?
Clear answers only.

And if there's so many loyalist supporters on here why don't they speak up and tell me about the brave men of UDA/UVF?
Are Robin Jackson,Johnny Adair,Top gun,Billy Wright,Lenny Murphy, Mark Haddock brave men or cowardly murderers?
Clear responses only.
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