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Steele's Cellmate Sentenced for Car Theft
It was two years ago today that Steele was arrested on charges of trying to blow his wife up with a pipe bomb. This has been a tragedy for Steele, his family and White Nationalism. The lawyers have made out like bandits. The only silver lining in the cloud is that Steele has no doubt come to hate lawyers.
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June 16th, 2012 | #2622 | |
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Steele Photos Over the Years
Photos of Steele over the years are rare. I came across this gallery in the Spokesman Review. I omitted mugshots and a couple of other photos which have been published on his website which are of little interest.
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Going over the thread on Stormfront which was shut down, I came across this post on an incident that I had forgotten about. It is another proof that Steele had gone crazy from aorta surgery.
As a result of Steele coaching his wife from jail as to what her testimony should be, he had an additional charge added and was restricted from all contact with her. Then he tries to sneak a birthday card to her in a letter to his daughter. He had already been caught sneaking steamy love letters to his Ukrainian girlfriend Tatyana Loginova and he knew that his jail letters were subject to monitoring. Quote:
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June 25th, 2012 | #2624 |
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Another Insanity Proof
Steele had been given a no-contact order with his wife by the court and knew that his communications were subject to monitoring. Then he sends this birthday card to his wife by mailing it to his daughter at his home address. A six-year-old would have had better brains than to do this. How he ever laid his hands on a birthday card in jail has not been explained.
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June 25th, 2012 | #2625 |
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That card is the exact opposite of a 'proof of insanity,' you duplicitous whackjob.
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June 25th, 2012 | #2626 | |
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You have just proved that you are crazier than Steele was. When you have just had a witness intimidation charge added and you contact that same victim, you are bat shit crazy. The least he could have done is written his daughter in guarded language that could not have been construed as sending a message to his wife. |
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June 27th, 2012 | #2627 |
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(Thanks to -JC, John Liberty and Leonard Rouse for remaining supporters of Mr. Steele.)
In the weeks following Mr. Steele's arrest - approaching two YEARS ago - Kelsey Steele and I (as 'Latebloomer', I think) were trying desperately to run interference for her family, trying to explain "who [was] behind the donation monies". I don't recall the exact dates, but 'round that time, north Idaho resident Ingri Cassel and I were emailing and telephoning, discussing the choice of name for a web site I volunteered to build, to centralize information about Mr. Steele. Ingri was key at that time, finding where Mr. Steele was. (Recall Mrs. Steele was totally incommunicado for many days.) In fact, Ingri was the first to visit Mr. Steele in Spokane County Jail. Eventually I began visiting him, partly to relay messages from what began gelling as "the Steele camp" (or, "inner circle", as I like to say). It was a frenetic time. After copious amounts of abuse by certain denizens of this site - frequently headed up by Mr. Pauly - Kelsey and I left and vowed never to return. When the Inner Circle got their act together, and when the Edgar Steele Defense Fund non-profit incorporated (I volunteered, and continue to serve as VP), we had not yet had the massive misfortune to come to know, trust and place our complete hope with Mr. Steele's pathetic Boise defense attorney Robert McAllister. An entire message forum can be dedicated to THAT disaster. (NOTE: DO NOT beat me up about McAllister or anything having to do with him.) At some point, Mr. Pauly began his "Steele Went Crazy" campaign. Eventually that effort came to include harassment of Mr. Hoyt and his office staff, and intrusive - even abusive - emails to Mrs. Steele. Mr. Pauly --- you have NO IDEA the amount of discussion the Inner Circle has invested in you. The collective decision, led by Mrs. Steele in large part, was to not respond in any manner to Mr. Pauly, to feed what seemed an insatiable need for attention. Finally, Mr. Pauly's attacks directed at the Inner Circle waned, and I volunteered to "keep watch" on his posting activity regarding the Steele case. In all honesty, I thank Mr. Pauly for leaving us alone. That has been all we have wanted, all along. "So, Bob Magnuson (my real name), why have you returned?" Partly to thank supporters. Those who have given time, effort and MONIES got really bummed out by Boise, and justifiably so. Supporters can come and go; we in the Inner Circle are basically "on-call" 24/7. We do this because we have faith we can free Mr. Steele. I've also come out of lurk to ask Mr. Pauly a question. On your "www.steelewentcrazy.org" site, is headline "Medical Rescue Project". Somewhere along the way, Mr. Pauly, you said your efforts to get Mr. Steele out of jail would be absolutely transparent -- especially in regards to donations your effort might garner. So, I for one would be keen to find out exactly what has been done to date regarding your "Medical Rescue Project", and what exactly has been received in donations? No name-calling, no "off-topic" protests, no shouting me down for asking. What have _you_ _done_ since creating your www.steelewentcrazy.org site to get Mr. Steele out of jail? I am ALL ears. Thanks, BM (yeah, icky initials), author & webmaster for www.free-edgar-steele.com |
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You should not be too proud of your swindling of White Nationalists out of at least $120,000. If your contributions have dried up, it is not my fault. It is because more and more people have seen thru the swindle. Now you have changed your story and claimed that only $71,000 have been collected and expenses have been $400,000. When you beg for money from the White Nationalist community, it can expect that you will spend every penny wisely and only on what it was solicited for. In answer to your question, I have attempted to get medical help for Steele from several sources. I have gotten a Pacer account so as to be able to review unpublished court files. Steele has removed my name from his email contact list after I got it added. He was sent a copy of my motion to vacate judgement for his being crazy and may have gotten pissed over it. It is a disgrace that the Steele camp allows him to rot in prison when he is crazy. The problem is that he knows he did what the government claimed and he thinks that he has gotten away with lying about it. It is not his fault that he is lying because of the fact that he is crazy. As long as he thinks that he has fooled his family, he will keep it up. Anyone who has studied the case and believes that Steele is sane is far crazier than he is. I have personally written Cyndi, Rex, Kelsey and Hoyt to explain how Steele became insane to each of them. McAllister has also acknowledged receipt of my motion to vacate judgment because Steele was crazy. They all know that he is crazy and are perpetrating this giant swindle of White Nationalism for reasons unknown. My guess is that they initially believed that he was framed like I did. Then when evidence piled up that he was crazy, they decided to let him become a martyr and perpetrate this fraud. Everybody keeps forgetting that what happened to Steele can happen to any one of us tomorrow. People go crazy DAILY from heart surgery that is far less dangerous than what Steele went thru. He may also have suffered additional brain damage from oxygen deprivation when his blood pressure was zero. This would be in addition to normal stroke induced damage from surgery. It is time for all of the liars in the Steele camp to come clean. Perhaps we can work together and get Steele out of prison and get him the medical help that he needs. He can learn that he mustn't write steamy love letters from his jail cell to his Ukrainian honey Tatyana. He can also learn that he mustn't try to blow up his wife with a pipe bomb. Perhaps he will come to see that he should be nice to his hit man and not threaten to bury him with a back hoe. |
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What you call "swindle" - which is your opinion - is seen by the known majority of supporters to be acceptable expenditure. Since the Edgar Steele Defense Fund non-profit began close accounting for use of donation monies, myself, the President and Secretary consider each and every request. We use standard conventions that a non-profit Board must use, such as meeting minutes, meeting agenda, etc. I think it's accurate to say the ESDF inherited a large portion (if not all) of the monies collected from donations before it incorporated. As such, the overwhelming majority of monies donated have been closely tracked. Quote:
Besides the vast number of times you demand all comers accept "Steele went/is crazy" (an opinion), what you describe here is the extent of your "Medical Rescue Project"?? It appears all one can do is watch to see what any 'camp' of Steele supporters does. Our Inner Circle & supporters is one camp. You look to be a camp of one. Good luck in your efforts. Quote:
differently. I suspect it's hard to accept, but I believe Mr. Steele was not, and is not crazy. You can muster 1,000 of your ilk to surround me, shouting "Steele went crazy". My opinion remains. Where does that leave us? It leaves us with a difference of opinion. Now, let's look at how we activate based on our opinions. Driven by your "Steele went crazy" opinion, you created your web site, got your Pacer account, consulted some medical sources, and have written volumes of posts saying "Steele went crazy". In my case, since I know (read: it's my opinion) that Mr. Steele was not, nor is not crazy, I built www.free-edgar-steele.com and maintain it, and have done so without much assistance for 2 years. I have visited Mr. Steele in jail. I have responded to people with questions. I have written press releases, donation requests, and work with others of the Inner Circle TO DO WHAT THEY ASK ME TO DO. I have attended numerous court sessions and written reviews for others to read. I have spent countless hours WITH OTHERS working to free our kinsman. Just last week the Inner Circle met twice, and I just got word we're meeting tomorrow. So, I have spent time and money to drive from Spokane, WA to Cd'A, ID to attend meetings. I carry the contact cell phone to talk with people who wish to chat rather than email. Am I right and you're wrong? Nope. You believe one thing, I believe another. Any factual proof, unequivocal, is left to bona fide experts in "crazy", which neither you nor I are. Quote:
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You've answered my question about your "Medical Rescue Project", so thanks for that. It's a fair certainty that we cannot work together. We'll continue with the direction overwhelmingly chosen by both Edgar and Cyndi Steele, which completely excludes your "Steele went crazy" opinion. You know, I've been honored to be able to visit Mr. Steele in jail numerous times. I've watched him during court sessions. Generally, I am able to correspond with Mr. Steele through prison email, to relay information he desires, and to expedite what he tells me he wants done. My plain 'ole observations strengthen my opinion that Mr. Steele was not, nor is not crazy. Where does that leave us? The Inner Circle will do what we do, again based on the wishes of the Steele family, which are paramount. You will likely continue with your "Steele went crazy" opinions until he is freed. There is no right or wrong. There is only the outcome, which remains to be seen. |
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Thank you for posting. Standard practice is to put such info on the FES web site, to post it to the FES Facebook account, and to send a mass email to what is in large part Mr. Steele's ConspiracyPenPal mail list. It appears you are on the list. Way cool.
We understand that besides the "Freedompalooza" being just this weekend, it is in Pennsylvania, which many people won't be able to attend. I have word from the organizers of "Freedompalooza" that video footage will be captured and made available. |
June 27th, 2012 | #2632 |
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Swindle of the 21st Century
This new video is a propaganda puff piece designed to swindle more money out of fools. The Steele camp could have found out about McAllister's previous probation for swindling an employee just like I did in five minutes on the internet. The only thing new is the remark that McAllister was well paid. It is handy to beat up on him when he is in no position to defend himself. He is facing 20 years or so in Federal prison. Any fool can see that McAllister conducted a defense that would have shamed a first year law student. That is irrelevant here.
One of the signs that Steele was crazy was that he didn't fire McAllister on the spot and take over his own defense. Another sign is that he didn't testify and explain why he wrote steamy love letters to his Ukrainian honey Tatyana from his jail cell. I'm still waiting for that explanation. That will be in the same category as the Resurrection and the Virgin Birth. This case was indefensible. Gerry Spence himself would have refused to take the case. Had he done so, it would have been the first criminal case that he ever lost. Smoking guns were everywhere. So far I have come up with 34 different proofs that Steele is crazy that I haven't had time to finish writing up. The above birthday card sent to his wife is one of them. The only possible defense here is the truth. Steele did essentially what the government said that he did because he is crazier than a shit house rat. It is indeed remotely POSSIBLE that he was framed by the government. It is CERTAIN that he is at least 10 times crazier than he had to be to do what he was accused of. His behavior before aorta surgery is irrelevant except to prove that he was ONCE sane. If the government's case is accepted as fact, it is perfect proof that Steele was insane. It is beyond argument that Steele has done a huge amount of past good work for White Nationalism. It is also beyond argument that he has made a lot of enemies among the Jews. The damage that he has done to White Nationalism is a hundred times greater than all of the good that he ever did. His family have perpetrated the biggest swindle in history against White Nationalism. It makes David Duke look like a living saint. |
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Gerry Spence DID refuse to take the case-- very early...
He and I corresponded via e-mail. Part of winning every fight is not taking every case.
One of the things that turned me off from one self-identified White nationalist, 16 or 18 years ago, was that he was just dying to tell me about his alleged experiences personally witnessing bad behavior by David Duke. He went on and on about Commander Rockwell, apparently to enhance his credibility. Well, in a nutshell, one of the lessons I've learned in a long life is that I neither want nor need to view all the dirty linen of men like William Luther Pierce, for example, to decide whether what they wrote has value. We've all got a dirty clothes sack among our baggage and it has always seemed to me the last, cheapest shot to bring up that sort of thing. What does that do to help White nationalism, airing what was laundered, pretty well sanitized in the sun, and subsequently probably long worn-out: It reminds me of video of David Duke's confrontation of Wolf Blitzer's techniques repeating over and over that Dr. Duke is a former Klansman, etc. The biggest swindle in the history of White nationalism is certainly not having solicited voluntary donations for Ed Steele's defense. Arguably the biggest swindles have been facilitating the frauds of central banking and Social Security for a lifetime, "saving" and using FEDERAL RESERVE Notes, paying interest on home mortgages, etc., and failing to even complain about it, much less refusing to do so, and pointing-out exactly who's behind it. Everybody reading this has participated in at least one of those swindles and many have done so knowingly and willfully simply because it was the easier path. Ed Steele spent substantial energy speaking the truth on the giant swindles and managed to offend almost everyone that was paying attention. He certainly offended Donald Pauly because NOBODY speaks of another man in the terms Mr. Pauly uses, over and over, like "crazy as a shithouse rat," who has any respect to the man so addressed and, in my opinion, those that do so have little or no self respect-- something that's hard to maintain behaving that way. It would be best because it has more class and credibility if we could manage to stick to facts rather than relatively infantile name-calling. A young, probably mid-20's chap pulled in back of me as I exited the Interstate, just yesterday, coming up behind fast to maybe a foot and a half from my rear bumper and laid on his horn probably thinking to frighten or otherwise frighten me. Seems he thought I shouldn't have slowed down so quickly and instead raced to the already red light an eighth of a mile or so ahead of us both. He pulled up beside me, rolled-down his window, and flipped me off. My wife was with me. I replied that one of the great things about life is that he'd probably grow up someday if he didn't die in a traffic accident or get shot first. He said, "I am grown up" and then the light turned green. He had about as much self-awareness as he had driving skill. I'm constantly reminded by this thread of children who learn to behave badly for attention if being good isn't rewarded by their caregivers. Mr. Steele's camp has now issued an official response to Mr. Pauly's one-count indictment. Those who wish to continue to consider Mr. Pauly's "evidence" now know exactly where to find it. And, VNN Forum members who wish to keep up with the Ed Steele sitstat, where Mr. Pauly's behavior isn't facilitated, now have a little more insight into the alternative, a pro-Ed Steele organization, its web address, and an invitation such that they don't have to feel like they let Mr. Pauly run them off. Quote:
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Steele has never offended me and I have no quarrel with him. He simply went crazy thru no fault of his own. He also disgraced White Nationalism thru no fault of his own. He has an excuse. His family and lawyers do not. They have to know. The Federal government is a much better friend to him than are his family and lawyers. At least they are trying to reform him. His family and lawyers are trying to see to it that he rots in prison forever.
Cyndi is not quite the loyal and loving wife she would have us believe. In 2000 she caught her husband looking for women on match.com when he answered a profile that she had posted. For this one offense, she filed for divorce and tried to take him for everything but the shirt on his back. He hasn't forgotten it. Now she has no problem with him writing over 100 Ukrainian honeys and sending steamy love letters to Tatyana from his jail cell. Steele sold off about $55,000 worth of silver about two months before he was arrested. It would be interesting to see how much of that went to Tatyana if any. That money has never been accounted for. Here is my guess. Steele had clearly become unmanageable after his surgery. When he was arrested his wife decided to make a martyr out of him and have him locked up for life. At the time, she thought that she would get his $1,000 per month social security along with contributions from his supporters. If she had him plead not-guilty by insanity, she would inherit a headache while he was in a mental institution. The contributions would have dried up overnight. Making a martyr out of him beat her having to get a job. Unfortunately she didn't know that the law had been changed and his social security would stop upon his conviction. |
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Early after it became public notice that Dennis Riordan is to be Mr. Steele's appellate attorney, I was tasked with researching him. I found nothing to alarm. If you are so fervent to get Mr. Steele out of prison and find in your own research that Riordan has 'issues', thanks in advance for posting publicly. This would apply to anybody reading this. Quote:
An individual who attended Boise today returned the following comment about "jail cell love letters to Tatyana". I did not attend Boise. I only relay another person's opinion. If you're going to jump on this horse and ride it as hard as you ride "Steele went crazy" (your opinion), God help us where your diatribes will end. "I only learned about this at the trial. Apparently while in solitary Ed wrote to [the woman] in the Ukraina. He was in the middle of going cold turkey at this time, was completely alone, cold and unable to communicate with anyone he knew. I think we could probably find a psychiatrist who could explain why a normally rational man would do something so completely stupid if kept under these tortuous conditions. It did not help his case but the the Feds would have convicted him anyway with the crooked judge to block defense motions, bought off defense attorney who didn't make any motions anyway and corrupt prosecution which had no interest in justice. What else could a jury do but convict? The letter to [the Ukraine woman] was a small detail in this larger picture though it was damaging. When did it come to light? As soon as he wrote the letter, the prosecution was provided a copy. All outgoing mail at SCJ is treated this way is what I was told. Someone affixed the postage to it so it could be sent to its foreign destination. When it got there I bet the local FBI field office (yes, they do have one in Ukraine) probably kept a copy to prove it was delivered. When did we first learn about it (by we, I mean the defense). I'll be consarned if I know there pilgrim. I heard about it at trial. It was horrible to hear as the prosecutor read the words out loud to the large printed version on the overhead screen. At least it didn't contain any graphic sexual descriptions, which was a mercy." Not that any of this person's opinion will have any impact on your thinking, there are aspects of one's humanity called "compassion" and "forgiveness". Steele detractors clearly embrace absence of compassion and a near-total lack of forgiveness. Quote:
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Most "detractors" traffic in conjecture and supposition. It's their way of doing the damage they intend. When Kelsey Steele and I were defending donors, you were the leading figure in both unfounded conjecture and arbitrary supposition about donation monies. Here you return to said behavior re: "interesting to see how much of that [$55,000] went to Tatyana". Quote:
When you are taken to task about your opinion venting, we see you vent more enthusiastically. Please help me understand why this persists with no end in sight. If you have so many criticisms and negative thoughts about the whole Steele case, is it NOT possible for you to state them and move on? |
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Perhaps I am being a little too hard on you. If you didn't know about this divorce petition, you might not know about the other thirty some proofs that Steele is crazy. You could be a babe in the woods on this case. Cyndi, her kids and the lawyers know better. I have written them all with copious detail. Cyndi is a former professional ballet dancer and knows how to perform in public. She may have become an accomplished actress who knows how to shed crocodile tears. There is another point in your propaganda video that I failed to comment on. Hoyt mentioned that the media had no interest in presenting any facts favorable to Steele. This is correct. I personally wrote all eight or so reporters on this case with my motion to vacate judgement because Steele was crazy. The only response was a lame one from Meghan Cuff who replied that no one else had brought this matter up. My motion proves beyond argument that Steele is crazier than a shit house rat. Quote:
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What is the time scale between the divorce being filed for/dropped and the whole bomb caper?
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Sticks & stones, dude, sticks and stones. 'Member that from elementary school?
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You and Cuniff share one characteristic: she absolutely would not stop including the misdirection that Mr. Steele represented Aryan Nations (he represented Butler). You absolutely will not stop venting your "Steele went crazy" opinion. By and large, I knew I was coming into the "Trainman's World" (Matrix movie) when I returned. Down here, you feel you can make the rules, down here, you seem to feel you are God, who disburses opinion ("Steele went crazy") as fact. I'll concede: there's no doubt whatsoever you believe "Steele went crazy". Your belief cannot be argued. Your belief in the world of many boils down to your opinion, which I am not arguing you hold. Maybe it's worth asking at this juncture, "why do you expend SO MUCH relentless energy in this?" Why, exactly is it so infinitely important for you to try and convince others to embrace _your opinion_? Can you help us understand this? Thx! Last edited by Bob Magnuson; June 28th, 2012 at 05:32 PM. Reason: mispelled word |
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