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But of course we should: Napoleon give millions whom he led one, "Pour la belle France", and Fuhrer give millions whom he led one, "Fur Brot und Freiheit". Do you think those millions were anything better than millions of kwans? If so, you are fooling yourself.
We tell those whom we lead, that they should die for "White Race", and they won't die for White Race, most even won't fight for White Race. That means we haven't given them such a reason. That means we need the worldview. With the worldview will come the reason. And only with such reason will come Victory, for then millions of kwans who need to die, will die, eagerly, for Our Cause. |
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Good post!
Good post Diablo! I can tell that over the years you have come to understand Tradition.
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Alex,
I agree with you on the need for an offense strategy, versus the self defeating defensive strategy employed by conservatives. I don't agree however that WN have won the argument. Nor do I agree that we don't need a moral basis for our movement. I think you may be a little too close to the movement if you think white people basically agree with us. If anything, most white people consider racial pride amongst whites to be beyond the pale morally speaking. Like you, I don't have anything beyond my own personal experiences to draw from in this regard, but that experience is drawn from a wide array of white people. Left and right, rich, poor and middle class, the perspective I get from most white people I meet are geuninely aghast at any expression of white solidarity. This is wholly due to the constant brainwashing that whites have endured during the last 60 years via the electric jew of course. YOU may not need to be inspired, nor for that matter do I, but we need to keep in mind that most people aren't going to be inspired the same way we are. Neither of us are religious, but we live in a society where 90 of the people are. That alone should suggest to you that we need a different approach to people from the one that made us WN. People need to be inspired. They need to believe that they are doing the GOOD thing more than they need to believe they are doing the right thing. Right now I'm not sure how that should work out, but I think at base we should stop accepting our opponents moral descriptions of us, or even ignoring it, we should meet it head on. We as WN tend to be social mavricks and are quite comfortable flouting the opprobrium of society because we see ourselves as serving A higher calling. We may be uncomfortable putting that into a philosophy that we can market, but I think it is absolutely necessary. As for violence, I don't like talking about such things in a public forum, what I will say however is that violence should never be anything but the servant of a political cause and have specific political aims. Just as Clauswitz said that "war is politics by other means," so to should we keep in mind that any violence by WN is nothing more than a vehicle for our social and political aims. otherwise it just becomes mindless anarchy and lends itself to easy interception. That, as it turns out, is also how the DHS defines terrorism "violence for political aims." So such things should not be discussed on a public forum, lest we find ourselves locked up with a bunch of niggers for providing "material support for terrorism." Which brings me to my last point. The hour is later than we think, and a lot of the things that were permissible (e.g. discussing violence, even theoretically) a few years ago, are not going to be allowed much longer. We need to be careful here. WN is well behind the curve of where we need to be in accomplishing our goals. We have squandered a great deal of time and effort spinning our wheels while things have gotten progressively worse. The kind of things we are talking about should have been done years ago. We haven't and we can't because we just don't have the resources. One of the biggest practical resource needs we have right now is for lawyers. WN are sitting ducks when it comes to any sort of political action because our enemies can simply ignore our rights or run roughshod over them. That keeps people from stepping forward and representing the cause since they know they are walking the high wire without a net. Their jobs, their businesses, their reputation, and the security of their families are compromised if they make a stand, and that was before the "War on Terror." As a result, only people with nothing to lose (generally) stand up for WN which makes it a movement, at least to the public, of pathetic losers. Who wants to be a part of that? Anyway, there is a whole mountain range of things that need to be attended to, but our legal vulnerability probably hampers us more than anything else right now, and that ultimately comes from our status as moral outcast. People wont support us if they think we are a group of morally depraved, violent, anti-social, degenerate losers who hide behind racial solidarity as a salve for low self esteem. Like it or not that is the slam on White Nationalism, and I don't see anyone working to correct that mis-impression. -Brian
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Yes, I misread it. There was interracial rape, but very little of it - because the niggers knew there would be immediate, lethal consequences. Not just for rape, but for hints at it. Under this system, denounced by jews as immoral, actual interracial violence was at a minimum compared to today, when it is huge and grows larger every year. The jews can't allow the before and after picture to be shown to the public so they suppress the truth about crime. It's the only way they can pull off their charade of 40,000 black-on-white rapes being moral.
It's our job to take the shit they have left on our White doorstep and smear it all over their faces, and get the whole rotten jew-left shmier together for a class photos. Then take the assembled refuse to the town dump, join hands in a Wickermanni II celebretory ring, and sing the Horst Wessel song as the jews, niggers and liberals go up in flames. Let them join the commie punks Goodman and Schwerner they call martyrs. |
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As I've said...
...the civil rights (sic) ruse can only be argued against successfully by going after its moral base. The jews claim it is immoral to oppose civil rights. Most who argue against 'civil rights' cede this point. That is a mistake. Civil rights is 1) a misnomer, 2) immoral, not moral. Point out the costs of so-called civil rights. Translate the debate into human terms. The cost of civil rights is tens of thousands of white women being raped each year. We know from history that these women would not have been raped before the civil rights (read: communist) revolution in the 1960s. So, you're saying that women being raped is progress? Same thing with murder. Statistics are never great things to use, they help ONLY if you use them within the context of extreme emotion. You must attack, as aggressively as possible, the motives of your opponent. You must assert that he likes seeing White women raped by blacks. Never let off that point. Never let your opponent escape. Never back down. Just press that attack without quit until the bell rings. That is the way to defeat the kikes and the niggers. But right wing people, being reflective, careful and honest, seem congenitally incapable of grasping how to fight the jew-left. Right wing people can't even understand what I'm saying, let alone do it. They're like people who insist on sticking to knives when their opponent uses a gun. You can't win a debate in which your opponents does nothing but smear your character. You have to destroy him, either physically or by accusing him on the same level he's accusing you on. He says you're immoral. You say he's full of hate and gets off on seeing white men murdered and white girls raped. Anything less than that - you lose. Maybe 1% of right-wingers are even capable of grasping this point, and rest assured, it is a very simple point. Last edited by Alex Linder; July 21st, 2008 at 05:14 PM. |
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This world view question seems silly to me. Did Zionists need a "world view" to make Israel exist? All you need is power and influence to make things happen. Zionists didn't hold some debate and have some grand world view. Did America's forefathers have a world view when they created America? No. They did it for themselves and their posterity. There really is little argument to be won, we need to control the argument rather with media as the Jews do. David Duke and Jared Taylor win arguments all the time in the media, but it doesn't matter, because Jews control it and inundate the masses with their misinformation 24/7.
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As for moral basis, we already have that. We don't want our people raped and killed in a media context of blackout and ceaseless mocking and a legal context of pervasive discrimination. We're tired of being the butt bearing the burden in a country we built. We aren't some remonstrating MLK-dick sucking conservative wide-stancers, we are Whites unbowed. How's that for a moral basis? Instead of repeating complaints heard a thousand times, and rebutted a thousand times, you need to explain exactly how "we" go about "making our moral" case - and, more important, how we get that case before the masses in a fair forum. In fact, it can't be done. But I'd like to see what you come up with. The moral basis of our approach is obvious: the communist revolutionaries who brought us what they call civil rights in effect declared war on our race. We can prove this with statistics, fleshed out by focusing on specific horrors. I'm not sure what other moral basis there could be, nor do I see how we aren't using this. Certainly we here at VNN are. I have advocated attack from day on and explained exactly which terms and frames to use. That's the difference between us WN and conservatives. We always take the offensive, they never do. The meta-point, which you don't address is that what we do really doesn't matter: we will never get any public forum to make our case other than the rare Jerry Springer spot. The well will always be poisoned. We control our presence on the Internet, we control our private behavior - that is all. Beyond that, we are defined by the enemy. And there is nothing we can do to change that - except take the mass media and political power (same thing) away from the enemy. Quote:
How many whites would get between a determined minority after the jews who murdered America? Very few. Maybe a few of the ultra-low end Zionist Christians who really believe the Hagee lies. And virtually no whites would defend niggers if there were a determined force bent on removing them from America. It's a question of power. The System has the ability to hurt people who don't go along with its lies. That matters more than anything we can say for 99% of the people listening to us. Quote:
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People support the Left, which is a bunch of morally depraved, violent, anti-social, degenerate losers who hide behind anti-racism and one-worldism as a salve for their low self-esteem, but that's because they're financed, organized and the media supports it. They have power. A viewpoint that 100 years ago would be thought of as ridiculous, has become normalized. When Obama gave his speech about destroying all racial and national boundaries and you should welcome every third world primitive to be your neighbor, no one batted an eye. |
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We should dress and behave well for their own sake, not because they will materially affect political outcomes. As long as the jews retain tv and Congress, they will rule. Our job is to keep the White flame burning, spread the knowledge, develop our skills and families, network with other Whites, and help speed the System along to the destruction its policies make inevitable. |
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Here's a new thread at Takimag, an article by jew Gottfried followed by many good responses. You see that jews like Gottfried write about the same problems we do. But they attribute the cause differently. Jews and WhINOs always go at the 'why' in this way:
1) blame Protestants 2) blame (per James Burnham) the technical/managerial class 3) attribute our woes to the spirit of the times, a springless, mysterious fog that overwhelms everybody, but only anti-semites look for the machine producing this Kultursmog (Tyrrell's neologism) Every other question, conservatives demand that individuals take responsibility for their actions. But when it comes to jews, we must always pretend they aren't the problem - even when this involves overlooking their own words. The murder of Jesus would be the signal example. The jews say his blood belongs on them and their children. They welcome responsibility. Conservatives, joining the liberals, today say that "we all killed Jesus." We all didn't murder the West - the jews did. Anyone who will not state that truth in that or similarly direct form is not a White nationalist but a jew, a liberal, a fool, or a WhINO. |
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Simple lack of knowledge: zionists do have a worldview, it is in the "Protocols of the learned leaders of Zion". They have another which is called marxism. And they did have many world congresses in the 19th century, more than ten before they came out with the protocols. The same with marxism, marx wrote his worldview nearly all his life. And to repeat, first came worldview, than came slogan(s), then came leaders. That's how it is done if you want to win. Last edited by fdtwainth; August 1st, 2008 at 04:02 AM. |
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[Good point.]
25ben tillman Spencer: “And as Sailer points out in his Takimag essay, the elites that take part in all this are aware that it’s blue collars whites and those bereft of perfect résumés and 1400 SAT scores who are actually getting screwed over by affirmative action, and not them. ” __ I get so tired of this idiocy. One of my law-school classmates has sat on the Georgia Supreme Court for five years already because of his race. The marginal difference toward the top is much greater than the marginal difference toward the bottom. The natural aristocracy are the ones most affected personally. |
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