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Old September 10th, 2015 #541
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David Kupelian, The Marketing of Evil (2005)

Ch. 4: Multicultural Madness: How Western Culture Was Turned Upside Down in One Generation

Epilogue

http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/M...n-TMoE-Ch4.mp3 (1:31)

- false history of america, kupelian is part of the problem he describes with his cant about founders and 'judeo-christian tradition,' failure to name the jew as the creators of various theories of multiculturalism as well as meme of 'nation of immigrants.'
Thanks "Alexander" for the comments on trump and updates on your audio college. I am looking into all your comments on Duke. I'll let you know if i don't get the specific answers I'm looking for.

This kupelian garbage sounds like it could have been written by michael savage, alex jones or basically any conservative radio host or blogger.

Are these type of people following a template?

Its very strange. If they are being careful of their words, then that suggests they basically know what we know. This makes them complicit in the jew conspiracy/behavior.

I find that hard to believe but at the same time i don't see how these types gather their information in a jew created vacuum only.

I guess its possible to be closed minded, brain washed, smug, etc etc, see information about a jewish connection and INSTANTLY dismiss it as garbage information and not look twice at it.

Extreme denial??? Arrogance???? This is the way history went and i know I'm right, damn it!!

Kupelian mentions communism. Confirmation of its evil, i guess, makes one an automatic authoritarian these days with no meaningful investigation. With that being said, all his other claims are mere opinion being passed off as legit historic reflection.

I can go on and on but I'm having a very difficult time trying to figure out where these types are coming from. All i can gather is deception on many levels but which one or ones or combination of ones.

Alex, i think you did a good job of pointing out the completely ignorant contradictories. Especially how america went from a unified country to a segregated one lol.

This is especially why non whites should ever speak of american culture even if they are being sincere. I have no idea if he is sincere but he typifies the annoying non white basically speaking for whites.

By the way, i really liked it when you said at the end of International Jew chpt 6?......."the typical american these days is a over weight idiot with the same education as ben franklin but a 100 times dumber".

Bravo.
 
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David Kupelian, The Marketing of Evil (2005)

Ch. 4: Multicultural Madness: How Western Culture Was Turned Upside Down in One Generation

http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/M...n-TMoE-Ch4.mp3 (1:31)

- false history of america, kupelian is part of the problem he describes with his cant about founders and 'judeo-christian tradition,' failure to name the jew as the creators of various theories of multiculturalism as well as meme of 'nation of immigrants.'

Ch. 5: Family Meltdown: The Campaign to Destroy Marriage

http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/M...n-TMoE-Ch5.mp3 (1:26)

- no-fault divorce is problem. before that marriage was stable. introduced in california. spread rapidly to other states. reagan signed it, later said one of his greatest mistakes. the state takes the place of the man. the state has a financial incentive to promote divorce because the resulting social detritus provides an opportunity to supply endless services and hire endless burocrats, psychiatrists, case workers, social workers, prison wardens, psychologists, judges, counselors, lawyers, etc etc. big government is inherently anti-white, and this is one of the stronger reasons why.
 
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Now that i think of it, kupelian isn't knowingly complicit, he's just a typical non white idiot with a little more white blood to give him some semblance of reasonability.

No different than teaching coco the guerrilla how to use sign language and then pass it off as intelligence.

Kupelian's writing is horrible, extremely flawed.

Alex, i hope this is the last of this crap. Im sure it is but i see the importance of pointing it out. There is a deluge of this kind of shyte out there.
 
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Kupelian is lying about the Turkish genocide of Armenians.


First of all, the Young Turks, who were disproportionately secular Jews funded by other Jews in Thessaloniki, took power in the Ottoman Empire in the coup of 1908. The Young Turks were actually more hostile towards Islam than they were to Christianity, and they were the ones who launched the genocide against Armenians.

The man is lying to bolster his "post-9/11" narrative in the era of neo-con wars.

No chance he isn't a knowing Jew tool. "Judeo-Christian" isn't a term that comes out spontaneously, whether it's George W. Bush or Martin Luther King, this bogus word is inserted into texts by Jew speech writers and editors. Kupelian plays along for profit. His books depend on the audience being incredibly ignorant of history and politics, and keeping them that way.

By the way, most Armenians, whatever their flaws are, are pretty Jew-wise. The reason for this is that they have butt heads in contemporary times with AIPAC and the ADL, organizations that deny and have blocked the US government recognizing the Armenian genocide.
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David Kupelian, The Marketing of Evil (2005)

Ch. 4: Multicultural Madness: How Western Culture Was Turned Upside Down in One Generation

http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/M...n-TMoE-Ch4.mp3 (1:31)

- false history of america, kupelian is part of the problem he describes with his cant about founders and 'judeo-christian tradition,' failure to name the jew as the creators of various theories of multiculturalism as well as meme of 'nation of immigrants.'

Ch. 5: Family Meltdown: The Campaign to Destroy Marriage

http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/M...n-TMoE-Ch5.mp3 (1:26)

- no-fault divorce is problem. before that marriage was stable. introduced in california. spread rapidly to other states. reagan signed it, later said one of his greatest mistakes. the state takes the place of the man. the state has a financial incentive to promote divorce because the resulting social detritus provides an opportunity to supply endless services and hire endless burocrats, psychiatrists, case workers, social workers, prison wardens, psychologists, judges, counselors, lawyers, etc etc. big government is inherently anti-white, and this is one of the stronger reasons why.
Ch. 6: Obsessed with Sex: How Fraudulent Science Unleashed a Revolution

http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/M...n-TMoE-Ch6.mp3 (1:22)

- kinsey, 1948. bombshell. promoted in all media. STILL the basis of sex 'science,' even though debunked by reisman in 1981. emjones mentioned, Libido Dominandi. no mention of frankfurt school or the jewish connection to race destruction of whites by immoralizing and hypersexualizing their society.

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Old September 13th, 2015 #546
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jewsign Another 2015 Audiobook Conversion about the Leo Frank Case

The Murder Of Little Mary Phagan By Mary Phagan Kean 1987 made into Audiobook by Margaret Huffstickler

This is the true story of the murder of little Mary Phagan by Leo M. Frank, her superintendent at the National Pencil Company; Leo Frank's lynching by outraged citizens after his death sentence was commuted; and the century-long effort by Frank's Jewish co-religionists to exonerate him, ending with his pardon in 1986 by the Georgia Board of Pardons and Paroles--which specifically refrained, however, from exonerating Frank.

In spite of the fact that the author Mary Phagan (now Mary Phagan Kean) is the great-niece of little Mary Phagan, and naturally has strong emotions about the case, this book contains the most balanced account of the case so far, as Ms. Kean has gone back to the complete trial record, and studied it extensively. She corrects the false statements that are used in most accounts to convince readers or viewers of Frank's innocence, while acknowledging that it it impossible to know with 100% certainty that Frank was the murderer.

https://archive.org/details/TheMurde...PhaganKean1987
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David Kupelian, The Marketing of Evil (2005)

Ch. 4: Multicultural Madness: How Western Culture Was Turned Upside Down in One Generation

http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/M...n-TMoE-Ch4.mp3 (1:31)

- false history of america, kupelian is part of the problem he describes with his cant about founders and 'judeo-christian tradition,' failure to name the jew as the creators of various theories of multiculturalism as well as meme of 'nation of immigrants.'

Ch. 5: Family Meltdown: The Campaign to Destroy Marriage

http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/M...n-TMoE-Ch5.mp3 (1:26)

- no-fault divorce is problem. before that marriage was stable. introduced in california. spread rapidly to other states. reagan signed it, later said one of his greatest mistakes. the state takes the place of the man. the state has a financial incentive to promote divorce because the resulting social detritus provides an opportunity to supply endless services and hire endless burocrats, psychiatrists, case workers, social workers, prison wardens, psychologists, judges, counselors, lawyers, etc etc. big government is inherently anti-white, and this is one of the stronger reasons why.

Ch. 6: Obsessed with Sex: How Fraudulent Science Unleashed a Revolution

http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/M...n-TMoE-Ch6.mp3 (1:22)

- kinsey, 1948. bombshell. promoted in all media. STILL the basis of sex 'science,' even though debunked by reisman in 1981. emjones mentioned, Libido Dominandi. no mention of frankfurt school or the jewish connection to race destruction of whites by immoralizing and hypersexualizing their society.
Ch. 7: Sabotaging Our Schools: How Radicals Have Hijacked America's Educational System

http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/M...n-TMoE-Ch7.mp3 (1:24)

- wundt. experimental psychology. idea that people can be controlled - controlled scientifically. managed/conditioned thru public schools. replacing of effective phonics with ineffective look-say or whole-word method of teaching reading. Charlotte Iserbyt (dumbing down). Samuel Blumenfeld. John Taylor Gotto (Underground History of American Education). school subtly makes people passive, whiny, bored, used to appealing for limited share of authority's attention rather than initiating activity on own. destruction of spirit. rise of homeschooling thanks to evangelical christians. omitting of antiwhite animus, pretense that jews aren't behind the sexualization and agenda of public schools since 1950. john dewey and progressives, the main one whose work is to be read to gain understanding of the ANTI-INTELLECTUAL mentality that wants schools to dump learning for SOCIALIZATION, which means conditioning in the "right" attitudes.
 
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Ch. 6: Obsessed with Sex: How Fraudulent Science Unleashed a Revolution

http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/M...n-TMoE-Ch6.mp3 (1:22)

- kinsey, 1948. bombshell. promoted in all media. STILL the basis of sex 'science,' even though debunked by reisman in 1981. emjones mentioned, Libido Dominandi. no mention of frankfurt school or the jewish connection to race destruction of whites by immoralizing and hypersexualizing their society.

Suicidal, morally depraved Scandinavians, add them to the list of Conservative diversion-memes next to Arab Muslims and the Nazis. They are the cause of all modern decadence.

I'm currently researching the history of pornography in Holland and Denmark (the capitals), and yes, even in these countries it was mostly Jews innovating and lobbying for its legalization. But even a lot of WN's don't know this, prefer to parrot lies about Swedes being "pathological altruists".

It's obvious that Kupelian is actively obscuring the Jewish origins. He goes out of his way to find the outlier Gentile supporting the sexual revolution, yet keeps talk about Frankfurt School, the foundations, and the bulk of material that is entirely Jewish in origin obscure. It would come out in an indirect pattern in a truly objective, academic book.
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David Kupelian, The Marketing of Evil (2005)

Ch. 4: Multicultural Madness: How Western Culture Was Turned Upside Down in One Generation

http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/M...n-TMoE-Ch4.mp3 (1:31)

- false history of america, kupelian is part of the problem he describes with his cant about founders and 'judeo-christian tradition,' failure to name the jew as the creators of various theories of multiculturalism as well as meme of 'nation of immigrants.'

Ch. 5: Family Meltdown: The Campaign to Destroy Marriage

http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/M...n-TMoE-Ch5.mp3 (1:26)

- no-fault divorce is problem. before that marriage was stable. introduced in california. spread rapidly to other states. reagan signed it, later said one of his greatest mistakes. the state takes the place of the man. the state has a financial incentive to promote divorce because the resulting social detritus provides an opportunity to supply endless services and hire endless burocrats, psychiatrists, case workers, social workers, prison wardens, psychologists, judges, counselors, lawyers, etc etc. big government is inherently anti-white, and this is one of the stronger reasons why.

Ch. 6: Obsessed with Sex: How Fraudulent Science Unleashed a Revolution

http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/M...n-TMoE-Ch6.mp3 (1:22)

- kinsey, 1948. bombshell. promoted in all media. STILL the basis of sex 'science,' even though debunked by reisman in 1981. emjones mentioned, Libido Dominandi. no mention of frankfurt school or the jewish connection to race destruction of whites by immoralizing and hypersexualizing their society.

Ch. 7: Sabotaging Our Schools: How Radicals Have Hijacked America's Educational System

http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/M...n-TMoE-Ch7.mp3 (1:24)

- wundt. experimental psychology. idea that people can be controlled - controlled scientifically. managed/conditioned thru public schools. replacing of effective phonics with ineffective look-say or whole-word method of teaching reading. Charlotte Iserbyt (dumbing down). Samuel Blumenfeld. John Taylor Gotto (Underground History of American Education). school subtly makes people passive, whiny, bored, used to appealing for limited share of authority's attention rather than initiating activity on own. destruction of spirit. rise of homeschooling thanks to evangelical christians. omitting of antiwhite animus, pretense that jews aren't behind the sexualization and agenda of public schools since 1950. john dewey and progressives, the main one whose work is to be read to gain understanding of the ANTI-INTELLECTUAL mentality that wants schools to dump learning for SOCIALIZATION, which means conditioning in the "right" attitudes.
Ch. 8: The Media Matrix: How the Press Creates a World of Illusion We Think Is Real

http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/M...n-TMoE-Ch8.mp3 (54m)

- matrix programming. red pill vs blue. hatred of reagan. evolution as example. fabric of confusion, spin and deceit = press political analysis. catholic priest homos are just that - homos not pedos. the media deliberately lie about this. they treat boyscouts one way and catholic priests another. they want to open boy scouts to homos (which happened after this book was published in 2005) and to blast catholic homos (catholics allow homos to serve as priests) as pedos. word games for political profit.

Ch. 9: Blood Confessions: How Lying Marketers Sold America on Unrestricted Abortion

http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/M...n-TMoE-Ch9.mp3 (1:08)

- jews lader, nathanson, friedan plan out abortion revolution. frame it as choice, personal choice, woman's choice, rather than particularly nasty form of murder, criminal in all 50 states. revolution via jewsmedia-backed judiciary, parallel to Brown v Board (1954), is Roe v Wade (1973), as is the Supreme Court decision of 2015 finding a constitutional right to supreme court. will of the people < will of the communist loxist antiwhite jews. lader, friedan and nathanson created NARAL. made up polls showing american supported abortion, which nathanson calls "the tactic of the self-fulfilling lie." lied about number of illegal abortions - actually 100k, they claimed 1m. (parallel to the exaggeration of number of natural homosexuals: from 1% to 10%.) 200-250 women dying annually of illegal abortion, "we fed the media the figure of 10,000." basically they claimed legalizing abortion would simply bring the limited number of illegal abortions into the light, but in fact the total number of abortions went up 1500% with legalization. parallel to arguments over illegal aliens. nathanson changed mind due to technology. filmed early abortion for The Silent Scream (abortion at 12 weeks). Late abortion = after third month. D&E = dilation and evacuation. they use a crushing instrument to grab and rip off portions of baby body. then reassemble on plate to make they got it all. ... they sell abortions. providers are traind by PR and marketing experts. it's a for-profit industry, they SELL abortions over phone and in person. Planned Parenthood is largest abortion provider. claims it tells about abortion alternatives but really doesn't. baby - fetus - tissue - blood clot. they lie to them about how much it hurts, about how long it takes, about the nature of what they're doing. and many women realize that afterward. abortion is a big business, and a cash business. almost the one part of medicine that is truly allowed to operate by market rules. if you have the cash -- not checks or cc but cash - you get the abortion. a lot of docs drawn into it for this reason, with the cover story they are "helping women." IRS doesn't go after these abortionists, for political reasons. Ultrasound used to see how far along the baby is - the larger, the more they charge for abotion. but mothers not allowed to see US because they wouldnt go thru with abortion, recognizing it's a real human baby if they heard the heartbeat. saline method - saline injected into amniotic sac, baby swallows it and burns to death. he violently struggles, leading mother, often, to realize he's not a clot of blood but a real person - and she is murdering him. Pro-Life Action League's "Meet the Abortion Providers" program. Planned Parenthood - Margaret Sanger - Ernst Rudin, "director of genetic sterilizaton" in NS Germany. "close ties." Norma McCorvey now against abortion, she was the "Roe" in v Wade.

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Lawrence Lader was born in 1919 to Jewish parents. In his early adulthood he was a supporter of Marxism. He, along with Betty Friedan and Bernard Nathanson, was one of the founders of the pro-abortion group NARAL. Betty Friedan described him as "the founding father of the abortion movement".[1]
Lawrence Lader has been described by Betty Friedan as the "father of abortion rights." A 1941 graduate of Harvard College, he was the founding chair of NARAL, the National Abortion Rights Action League. Mr. Lader is a journalist and author of 11 books including Abortion, which was quoted nine times in the US Supreme Court's Roe v. Wade decision; The Margaret Sanger Story and the Fight for Birth Control, the first published biography of Margaret Sanger; and most recently A Private Matter: RU-486 and the Abortion Crisis. In 1975 he founded Abortion Rights Mobilization, which today is at the center of the struggle to make the French abortion pill RU-486 available to American women.[2]

Lawrence Lader was born 1919 in New York, N.Y. He graduated from Harvard University in 1941 and later served during World War II. Lader was a writer and journalist who worked for Reader's Digest and The New Republic, and wrote many books about abortion rights. His 1966 book, Abortion, was the first major book published about the then-taboo subject. It was influential in the Roe v. Wade decision: the Supreme Court cited Abortion numerous times in its decision. Lader strongly supported abortion rights, co-founding the National Association for the Repeal of Abortion Laws, later changed to the National Abortion Rights Action League (now NARAL Pro-Choice America). Lader's other titles include The Margaret Sanger Story and the Fight for Birth Control (1955) and Bold Brahmins: New England's War Against Slavery, 1831-63 (1973). He and his wife, Joan Summers Lader, had a daughter, Wendy.

According to Anne Nicol Gaylor, co-founder of FFRF who served with Lader on the NARAL Board of Directors, Lader was a freethinker. In 1987, Lader wrote the book Politics, Power, and the Church: The Catholic Crisis and Its Challenge to American Pluralism, which criticized the influence of the Catholic church. Lader wrote, "The Catholic hierarchy still rejects pluralism when many of its moral beliefs and dogma are in dispute. Through legislation on divorce, school prayer, abortion, and a host of issues, it has sought to legalize its moral codes." He supported the separation of church and state, stating: "Catholic power, allied with Fundamentalism, has threatened the American tenet of church-state separation and shaken the fragile balance of our pluralistic society." Lader was awarded FFRF's Freethought Pioneer Award in 1989 for his 1988-1989 lawsuit against the Catholic Church, which asked for the church's tax-exempt status to be removed because of its political lobbying. The lawsuit was lost on standing. Lader died of colon cancer.[3]

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Many of those old links no longer work. Here are some updated links.

Turner Diaries in Audiobook by Dr. William Luther Pierce (1978)
https://archive.org/details/TheTurne...sAudiobook1978

Turner Diaries the Book
https://archive.org/details/TheTurne...ndrewMacdonald

Dr. William Luther Pierce Born September 11, 1933, Atlanta, Georgia, Died Mill Point, Pocahontas County, West Virginia, July 23, 2002 (aged 68).

The 'Turner Diaries" is the illegal (in all Western countries except the USA) underground classic and best seller that sold more than 1 million copies world wide. It was written by Dr. William Luther Pierce, founder of the National Alliance and Cosmotheism Community Church. These controversial fictional diaries chronicle the overthrow of the Jewish Occupied United States of America Government (also known as the Jewish Lobby, AIPAC, The Lobby, The Zionist Lobby, ZOGUSA or JOGUSA, Zionist Occupied Government, and Jewish Occupied Government, respectively) by patriots of Western Civilization.

WARNING! : Ownership of this book might be illegal in the European Union, Australia, New Zealand and Canada. You must be at least 21 years or older in order to read this book because of the sexual and violent content. Parental Discretion is Advised!

Read the controversial biography of William Luther Piece, 'Fame of a Dead Man's Deeds': http://archive.org/details/FameOfADeadMansDeeds_100

Read the illegal underground best seller, 'The Turner Diaries': http://archive.org/details/TheTurner...ndrewMacdonald

Read 'The Hunter': http://archive.org/details/TheHunter...amLutherPierce

Listen to controversial William Luther Pierce Radio Programs: http://archive.org/details/DrWilliam...adioBroadcasts

Read 'The Cosmotheism Trilogy' (White post-Human religion conceived in the 1960's): http://archive.org/details/Cosmothei...amLutherPierce

Watch Dr. William Luther Pierce video programs: http://archive.org/details/Dr.WilliamPierceVostfr

Another controversial polemicist is David Duke: http://archive.org/details/DavidDukeTv search www.Archive.org to learn more about this prolific producer of White liberation media.

For more dangerous, illegal, controversial and banned books visit www.SolarGeneral.com (If you can't reach the site, your ISP might be blocking it).

The Turner Diaries by Dr. William Luther Pierce was added to the Internet Archive in 2010.

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The White Man's Bible in male voice. One long audiofile that can be scrolled to different sections. Almost 24 hours long!
https://archive.org/details/TheWhite...-AudioBook2014

Better version: The White Man's Bible in female computer voice, broken up into chapters. Easier to follow, because one can listen chapter by chapter.
https://archive.org/details/White_Mans_Bible_Audiobook
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Reviews for Marketing of Evil:

"Over just a few years, life in America has become indescribably more squalid, expensive, and dangerous. Like the dazzling disclosures in the final page of a gripping whodunit or the fascinating revelation of a magician's secrets, 'The Marketing of Evil' irresistibly exposes how it was done. It will elicit an involuntary 'Aha!' from you as you discover who did it and your soul will soar with optimism as you discover the only way we can undo it. In years to come Americans will acknowledge a debt of gratitude to David Kupelian for his honesty, courage, and laser-like insight in this must-read book." - Rabbi Daniel Lapin


"David Kupelian dares to tell the truth about the overwhelming forces in our society which take us far away from our original American concept of freedom with responsibility, happiness with commitments, and traditional values. 'The Marketing of Evil' is a serious wake-up call for all who cherish traditional values, the innocence of children, and the very existence of our great country."" - Dr. Laura Schlessinger



"Every parent in America needs to read this book. David Kupelian skillfully exposes the secular left's rotten apple peddlers in devastating detail. From pitching promiscuity as 'freedom' to promoting abortion as 'choice,' the marketers of evil are always selling you something destructive – with catastrophic results. Kupelian shines a light on them all. Now watch the cockroaches run for cover."" - Michelle Malkin (Married to Jew)
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David Kupelian, The Marketing of Evil (2005)

Ch. 4: Multicultural Madness: How Western Culture Was Turned Upside Down in One Generation

http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/M...n-TMoE-Ch4.mp3 (1:31)

- false history of america, kupelian is part of the problem he describes with his cant about founders and 'judeo-christian tradition,' failure to name the jew as the creators of various theories of multiculturalism as well as meme of 'nation of immigrants.'

Ch. 5: Family Meltdown: The Campaign to Destroy Marriage

http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/M...n-TMoE-Ch5.mp3 (1:26)

- no-fault divorce is problem. before that marriage was stable. introduced in california. spread rapidly to other states. reagan signed it, later said one of his greatest mistakes. the state takes the place of the man. the state has a financial incentive to promote divorce because the resulting social detritus provides an opportunity to supply endless services and hire endless burocrats, psychiatrists, case workers, social workers, prison wardens, psychologists, judges, counselors, lawyers, etc etc. big government is inherently anti-white, and this is one of the stronger reasons why.

Ch. 6: Obsessed with Sex: How Fraudulent Science Unleashed a Revolution

http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/M...n-TMoE-Ch6.mp3 (1:22)

- kinsey, 1948. bombshell. promoted in all media. STILL the basis of sex 'science,' even though debunked by reisman in 1981. emjones mentioned, Libido Dominandi. no mention of frankfurt school or the jewish connection to race destruction of whites by immoralizing and hypersexualizing their society.

Ch. 7: Sabotaging Our Schools: How Radicals Have Hijacked America's Educational System

http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/M...n-TMoE-Ch7.mp3 (1:24)

- wundt. experimental psychology. idea that people can be controlled - controlled scientifically. managed/conditioned thru public schools. replacing of effective phonics with ineffective look-say or whole-word method of teaching reading. Charlotte Iserbyt (dumbing down). Samuel Blumenfeld. John Taylor Gotto (Underground History of American Education). school subtly makes people passive, whiny, bored, used to appealing for limited share of authority's attention rather than initiating activity on own. destruction of spirit. rise of homeschooling thanks to evangelical christians. omitting of antiwhite animus, pretense that jews aren't behind the sexualization and agenda of public schools since 1950. john dewey and progressives, the main one whose work is to be read to gain understanding of the ANTI-INTELLECTUAL mentality that wants schools to dump learning for SOCIALIZATION, which means conditioning in the "right" attitudes.

Ch. 8: The Media Matrix: How the Press Creates a World of Illusion We Think Is Real

http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/M...n-TMoE-Ch8.mp3 (54m)

- matrix programming. red pill vs blue. hatred of reagan. evolution as example. fabric of confusion, spin and deceit = press political analysis. catholic priest homos are just that - homos not pedos. the media deliberately lie about this. they treat boyscouts one way and catholic priests another. they want to open boy scouts to homos (which happened after this book was published in 2005) and to blast catholic homos (catholics allow homos to serve as priests) as pedos. word games for political profit.

Ch. 9: Blood Confessions: How Lying Marketers Sold America on Unrestricted Abortion

http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/M...n-TMoE-Ch9.mp3 (1:08)

- jews lader, nathanson, friedan plan out abortion revolution. frame it as choice, personal choice, woman's choice, rather than particularly nasty form of murder, criminal in all 50 states. revolution via jewsmedia-backed judiciary, parallel to Brown v Board (1954), is Roe v Wade (1973), as is the Supreme Court decision of 2015 finding a constitutional right to supreme court. will of the people < will of the communist loxist antiwhite jews. lader, friedan and nathanson created NARAL. made up polls showing american supported abortion, which nathanson calls "the tactic of the self-fulfilling lie." lied about number of illegal abortions - actually 100k, they claimed 1m. (parallel to the exaggeration of number of natural homosexuals: from 1% to 10%.) 200-250 women dying annually of illegal abortion, "we fed the media the figure of 10,000." basically they claimed legalizing abortion would simply bring the limited number of illegal abortions into the light, but in fact the total number of abortions went up 1500% with legalization. parallel to arguments over illegal aliens. nathanson changed mind due to technology. filmed early abortion for The Silent Scream (abortion at 12 weeks). Late abortion = after third month. D&E = dilation and evacuation. they use a crushing instrument to grab and rip off portions of baby body. then reassemble on plate to make they got it all. ... they sell abortions. providers are traind by PR and marketing experts. it's a for-profit industry, they SELL abortions over phone and in person. Planned Parenthood is largest abortion provider. claims it tells about abortion alternatives but really doesn't. baby - fetus - tissue - blood clot. they lie to them about how much it hurts, about how long it takes, about the nature of what they're doing. and many women realize that afterward. abortion is a big business, and a cash business. almost the one part of medicine that is truly allowed to operate by market rules. if you have the cash -- not checks or cc but cash - you get the abortion. a lot of docs drawn into it for this reason, with the cover story they are "helping women." IRS doesn't go after these abortionists, for political reasons. Ultrasound used to see how far along the baby is - the larger, the more they charge for abotion. but mothers not allowed to see US because they wouldnt go thru with abortion, recognizing it's a real human baby if they heard the heartbeat. saline method - saline injected into amniotic sac, baby swallows it and burns to death. he violently struggles, leading mother, often, to realize he's not a clot of blood but a real person - and she is murdering him. Pro-Life Action League's "Meet the Abortion Providers" program. Planned Parenthood - Margaret Sanger - Ernst Rudin, "director of genetic sterilizaton" in NS Germany. "close ties." Norma McCorvey now against abortion, she was the "Roe" in v Wade.

Ch. 10: Last, Best Hope: The Fall and Rise of American Christianity

http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/M...E-Ch10-END.mp3 (1:27)

- america is superficially christian, going by numbers. but institutions and media are increasingly anti-christian. no mention of jews. that they control congress by money and media by ownership. Pollster Barna: "almost no difference" between born-again Christians and non-xtians. multiple interpretations, and conflicting. a christ-insanity for every subset. national council of churches - from communist front. marxism "disguised as christianity." support for homos, opposition to israel in mainline denominations. mainlines splitting over these political issues. prots split between mainline liberals and conservative evangelicals. further split by politics, esp homos. catholic seminaries infiltrated by homos. Paul Likoudis, of The Wanderer, book on homo-ing of RC: Amchurch Comes Out: The U.S. Bishops, Pedophile Scandals and the Homosexual Agenda. 1984-2004, 1000 known victims of homo priests, costing church at least 1 billion. note of special relevance to WN: likoudis finds that exposure alone is NOT enough to stop the sexual-liberation agenda of the perverts honeycombed through the church. 'Abandonment Clergy' - preaching political NON-involvement, as US goes to hell. Francis Schaeffer: most evangelicals can't even SEE that there's a battle (culture wars). Just as they can't make out the causative jew, they can't even make out the symptoms! The Great Evangelical Disaster - Schaeffer's book, one of many. He bemoans: "failure of the evangelical world to stand for truth as truth." the evangelical church practices accommodationism with the spirit of the age, the spirit of the world. this spirit is jewish. the church failed to fight the jew, and his remaking of the culture. rather it complied, gave in, acceded, withdrew. called to be big, the church was little. ... 1/3 US adults claim a born-again experience! yet they wont fight jews. won't even dare to name jews as the cause of the culture they comply with but formally claim to hate. ... disgusting games played in youth ministries. whoring after the mainstream culture, dully ripping it off to stay relevant. Toothbrush Buffet. Gross Out Games.
 
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Well, those reviews sound more sincere than the typical review on yelp.

This book mentions nothing of how to solve the problem. Throwing more god at a problem only works in theory, history proves it's a failed experiment.

I think Cobb said it best, we need to study science but we can't get past the noise.

This book is all noise.
 
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The Feminization of American Culture (1977)

Intro: The Legacy of American Victorianism: The Meaning of Little Eva

http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/M...ture-Intro.mp3 (1:39)

- old-style Calvinism with masculine preachers, intellectual rigor, foundation of America's first and top universities, gives way, via complete disestablishment of Protestant churches by 1833, to a softened, sentimentalized, femized consumer mass culture dominated by a new alliance between a new breed of preachers and middle-class women. originally the religious DOCTRINE mattered in a church, when colonies in NE at least were founded; but this concern declined, and churchgoing became mere middle-class social function. feeling > thought. niceness > rigor. femininity > logic or masculinity, first within the cultural sphere (evolution from 1820 to 1875), then later, in 1900 on, in ENTIRE sphere (aided by jews, the feminized mindset for whites dominates not just the reading culture of middle class, but the entire, uh, Ideosphere). protestantism was a very different thing after than before. she puts dates at 1820 and 1875. different type of man becomes preacher; different concerns (serious theology vs catering to women clients/customers) in 1900 than in 1800. loss of status as preacher becomes another supplicant to the Shesus. from Edwardseans (sinners in the hands of an angry god - focused on INDIVIDUAL soul and sin and salvation) to namby-pamby anti-intellectual feelings-mush centered on love - which quickly perverted into Social Gospel around 1900. christianity in america evolved into something very useful to jews, just about the time they showed up. of course she doesnt touch on that part. ... douglas laments the rise of an anti-intellectual mass-consumerist, feminized but not feminist american culture; she wishes calvinist patriarchal intellectual rigor had opened to others rather than lowered. but can you have serious intellectual culture AND feminism at the same time? is intellectual culture consistent with non-patriarchal values, with matriarchy? douglas thinks so. but she might be wrong.



The Feminization of American Culture (1977)

Part One: The Sentimentalization of Status

Ch. 1: Clerical Disestablishment

[the chapters in this book are quite long so we'll break them up into multiple segments. this is Ch1a.]
http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/M...s-FAC-Ch1a.mp3 (59m)

- vocab: vitiation. how america became what it is today. softening. from logic to sentiment. from patriarchy to maudlin, soft, middle-class, feminine consumerism. outsiders and insiders agree that preaching has gone from men of strength and rigor to vaguely absurd pambies without anything substantial to say, catering to women. how america reached the state it was in when jews arrived in great numbers to pick up with their 'culture of critique.'

Ch. 1: Clerical Disestablishment

[conclusion]

http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/M...s-FAC-Ch1b.mp3 (1:36)

- liberal preachers deal with political, economic, social and personal consequences of disestablishment; they are essentially turned into women, and their thin bookish appeals are laughed at by the ruder, rougher evangelicals of the 'dissenting' sects (Baptists & Methodists), which then came to be called denominations. the churches were disestablished. voluntarism became the way. greater transience, less permanence, more uneasiness, more need to curry favor with congregation.

Ch. 2: Feminine Disestablishment

http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/M...as-FAC-Ch2.mp3 (2:13)

- what is to be women's role in this new society? women are to be passive and submissive. they are to provide examples of moral elevation. they have their sphere and must remain in it. most women approved this. sarah hale, doctrine of the feminine sphere. far more adherents than elizabeth cady stanton, a suffragette - who is far better known because she was a proto-feminist, hence more useful to The Agenda pushers. women were sacred within their role but nothing outside it. at least that is what douglas argues. these traditionalists did reform education, but that was part of women's role - women's education. women were supposed to be christian. that was a proper concern. parallel in bond between pastor and flock and woman and husband/kids. women and preachers worked together in Temperance movement. to rescue woman victim of drunken man, as much as him. Linda Huntley Sigourney, pre-civil war writer, poet. Temperance tales. Hale: "a fiend and an angel." fiend is man, angel is woman. a spiritual creature and a brute. and hale was a moderate, a mainstreamer. this was the common view. "women must engineer their wellbeing in a world dominated by a sex essentially hostile to it" - mainstream view. man's world. ... house and church alike move from centers of activity to places of words rather than deeds. life is centered elsewhere in the community, in later 1800s, compared to 1600s. DISESTABLISHMENT: end of state-supported religion, paralleled by disestablishment, informally, of women, through their changing role and importance in home. shift from PRODUCER to CONSUMER is the status shift. from the center, more or less, to the periphery. but this was a northern, northeastern, middle-class status shift. life from 1800-65 was still about the same for other women in other areas. the Southern "lady" was still economically important, what with slaves, running the household. her role didnt change till after the civil war. 1800, only nyc and phi had >50k residents. people made homespun in 1800, but by 1830, production was more commercial/industrial than domestic, particularly in the NE. the US was moving from agricultural to mft in the NE, so the home declined as a locus of production. the position of women declined as production shifted from home to factory. Bushnell saw an "Age of Homespun" yielding to a complete social-domestic revolution brought on by the rise of commercial manufactures. the home ceased to be a factory, with its farm producing goods for it to turn into products. women were valued for economic reasons, when they ran households; but far less so when they simply bought things as consumers. Dotha, mother, vs Mary, wife, Bushnell, symbolize the shift from producer and director, intelligent and respected, to sentimental piece and influence, less respected or listened to. women were obviously economically visible, but became less visible as middle-class consumers. not as clear what they did or what its value was. Eliza Farnham. woman as bird (her eastern view) vs woman as woman (westerner she interviews' view). Sara Josepha Hale - keep women from the "contagion" of money-making, let men handle that. new role being worked out post-Age of Homespun. two separate roles: commerce for men, pethood for women. Female Academies. taught very different material to women. women were kept away from natural sciences, more taught language and literature and history. "Grace Greenwood" - trivial female education as means of oppression. Thorstein Veblen - woman as emblem of 'conspicuous consumption. different variety of dumbed-down education. today it's for all (non-jews). serious education for women did not make progress till decade after the civil war, says douglas. women were to be educated to better serve men, reformers and conservatives agreed. not to play big role as participants but rather as consumers and agents of moral influence: "a saint and a consumer." literary women: Sara Edgarton Mayo. reading as way to while away hours while men worked. 'sentimental domestic novels' dominated women's market, 1840-80. The Wide, Wide World (1850). first of best-selling domestic novels. character ellen - consumer who loves buying. Harriet Beecher Stowe: "undoubtedly the most gifted woman writer of the period." character Mary Scudder. women as functional and spiritual, men as shiftless thinkers. character Eva van Arsdel. woman the producer < woman the consumer. ... in consumer society, advertising is the most important institution, idea of David Potter. Shift from consumption to production, 1860-90. first rise of huge amounts of advertising during that period. advertising all about influence. writers says it's a distinct american trait - inability to focus and think for sustained period. George Powell, advertising pioneer. the feminine is the subconscious of capitalist society, which the advertiser must tap. Nathaniel Fowler, "most important figure in early American advertising" said women direct the buying of everything, even for men, hence should be aimed at. the 'influence' women were supposed to yield is the 'mother of advertising.' ... Lowell factories. for girls who would later generations attend Mount Holyoke and Vassar. to do good by stealth. girls should always 'move in curves.' 1845-75 "the great heyday of feminine authorship." vicarious lives, parasitic lives. victory without risk. rewards without effort. this is part of the middle-class woman's life promoted by certain female writers. cult of motherhood and maternity, strong as cult of democracy in mid-19th century america. paternal authority waned from jonathan edwards' time. a waning force in 19th century. women got flattery and worship in place of justice and equality. in reality women could demand almost anything (being nurses in Civil War, even the vote) as due their maternal nature. women took over primary education teaching - but only in US, NOT in other countries. ministers and women: from exerting power to exercising influence. substituting life for literature. a room of one's own? at least one is important in domestic sphere, if not society.

vocabulary: paean, panegyric, enormities, superannuated, concomitant, taciturn, didactic, obfuscate, palliative, sub rosa, epistolary, sedulous, mutatis mutandis, furbish, ratiocination, apotheosis, acumen, monomania, epistemology, suasion, grandiloquence, decorous, denouement

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"Tastes good! More slob, please!". Had to cough away a genuine laugh on the bus.

Really appreciated the Kupelian book. He deals with basically all of the important issues, but leaves out the racial and Jewish aspect of it, where Mr. Linder is perfectly fit to fill in the empty spots. This book is basically what millions of American Christians believe, I'd wager. With the truth added to it, it is an excellent audio book for the average cuckservative, if they're open minded enough (a much more rare quality than you'd think going by Jewish media propaganda, as they always propagate for being 'open-minded' to fags and foreigners, that isn't really 'open-mindedness', that's brain-washing. Open-mindedness is about being open to the opposite of the media message, I believe).

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The Feminization of American Culture (1977)

Intro: The Legacy of American Victorianism: The Meaning of Little Eva

http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/M...ture-Intro.mp3 (1:39)

- old-style Calvinism with masculine preachers, intellectual rigor, foundation of America's first and top universities, gives way, via complete disestablishment of Protestant churches by 1833, to a softened, sentimentalized, femized consumer mass culture dominated by a new alliance between a new breed of preachers and middle-class women. originally the religious DOCTRINE mattered in a church, when colonies in NE at least were founded; but this concern declined, and churchgoing became mere middle-class social function. feeling > thought. niceness > rigor. femininity > logic or masculinity, first within the cultural sphere (evolution from 1820 to 1875), then later, in 1900 on, in ENTIRE sphere (aided by jews, the feminized mindset for whites dominates not just the reading culture of middle class, but the entire, uh, Ideosphere). protestantism was a very different thing after than before. she puts dates at 1820 and 1875. different type of man becomes preacher; different concerns (serious theology vs catering to women clients/customers) in 1900 than in 1800. loss of status as preacher becomes another supplicant to the Shesus. from Edwardseans (sinners in the hands of an angry god - focused on INDIVIDUAL soul and sin and salvation) to namby-pamby anti-intellectual feelings-mush centered on love - which quickly perverted into Social Gospel around 1900. christianity in america evolved into something very useful to jews, just about the time they showed up. of course she doesnt touch on that part. ... douglas laments the rise of an anti-intellectual mass-consumerist, feminized but not feminist american culture; she wishes calvinist patriarchal intellectual rigor had opened to others rather than lowered. but can you have serious intellectual culture AND feminism at the same time? is intellectual culture consistent with non-patriarchal values, with matriarchy? douglas thinks so. but she might be wrong.



The Feminization of American Culture (1977)

Part One: The Sentimentalization of Status

Ch. 1: Clerical Disestablishment

[the chapters in this book are quite long so we'll break them up into multiple segments. this is Ch1a.]
http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/M...s-FAC-Ch1a.mp3 (59m)

- vocab: vitiation. how america became what it is today. softening. from logic to sentiment. from patriarchy to maudlin, soft, middle-class, feminine consumerism. outsiders and insiders agree that preaching has gone from men of strength and rigor to vaguely absurd pambies without anything substantial to say, catering to women. how america reached the state it was in when jews arrived in great numbers to pick up with their 'culture of critique.'

Ch. 1: Clerical Disestablishment

[conclusion]

http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/M...s-FAC-Ch1b.mp3 (1:36)

- liberal preachers deal with political, economic, social and personal consequences of disestablishment; they are essentially turned into women, and their thin bookish appeals are laughed at by the ruder, rougher evangelicals of the 'dissenting' sects (Baptists & Methodists), which then came to be called denominations. the churches were disestablished. voluntarism became the way. greater transience, less permanence, more uneasiness, more need to curry favor with congregation.


Ch. 2: Feminine Disestablishment

http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/M...as-FAC-Ch2.mp3 (2:13)

- what is to be women's role in this new society? women are to be passive and submissive. they are to provide examples of moral elevation. they have their sphere and must remain in it. most women approved this. sarah hale, doctrine of the feminine sphere. far more adherents than elizabeth cady stanton, a suffragette - who is far better known because she was a proto-feminist, hence more useful to The Agenda pushers. women were sacred within their role but nothing outside it. at least that is what douglas argues. these traditionalists did reform education, but that was part of women's role - women's education. women were supposed to be christian. that was a proper concern. parallel in bond between pastor and flock and woman and husband/kids. women and preachers worked together in Temperance movement. to rescue woman victim of drunken man, as much as him. Linda Huntley Sigourney, pre-civil war writer, poet. Temperance tales. Hale: "a fiend and an angel." fiend is man, angel is woman. a spiritual creature and a brute. and hale was a moderate, a mainstreamer. this was the common view. "women must engineer their wellbeing in a world dominated by a sex essentially hostile to it" - mainstream view. man's world. ... house and church alike move from centers of activity to places of words rather than deeds. life is centered elsewhere in the community, in later 1800s, compared to 1600s. DISESTABLISHMENT: end of state-supported religion, paralleled by disestablishment, informally, of women, through their changing role and importance in home. shift from PRODUCER to CONSUMER is the status shift. from the center, more or less, to the periphery. but this was a northern, northeastern, middle-class status shift. life from 1800-65 was still about the same for other women in other areas. the Southern "lady" was still economically important, what with slaves, running the household. her role didnt change till after the civil war. 1800, only nyc and phi had >50k residents. people made homespun in 1800, but by 1830, production was more commercial/industrial than domestic, particularly in the NE. the US was moving from agricultural to mft in the NE, so the home declined as a locus of production. the position of women declined as production shifted from home to factory. Bushnell saw an "Age of Homespun" yielding to a complete social-domestic revolution brought on by the rise of commercial manufactures. the home ceased to be a factory, with its farm producing goods for it to turn into products. women were valued for economic reasons, when they ran households; but far less so when they simply bought things as consumers. Dotha, mother, vs Mary, wife, Bushnell, symbolize the shift from producer and director, intelligent and respected, to sentimental piece and influence, less respected or listened to. women were obviously economically visible, but became less visible as middle-class consumers. not as clear what they did or what its value was. Eliza Farnham. woman as bird (her eastern view) vs woman as woman (westerner she interviews' view). Sara Josepha Hale - keep women from the "contagion" of money-making, let men handle that. new role being worked out post-Age of Homespun. two separate roles: commerce for men, pethood for women. Female Academies. taught very different material to women. women were kept away from natural sciences, more taught language and literature and history. "Grace Greenwood" - trivial female education as means of oppression. Thorstein Veblen - woman as emblem of 'conspicuous consumption. different variety of dumbed-down education. today it's for all (non-jews). serious education for women did not make progress till decade after the civil war, says douglas. women were to be educated to better serve men, reformers and conservatives agreed. not to play big role as participants but rather as consumers and agents of moral influence: "a saint and a consumer." literary women: Sara Edgarton Mayo. reading as way to while away hours while men worked. 'sentimental domestic novels' dominated women's market, 1840-80. The Wide, Wide World (1850). first of best-selling domestic novels. character ellen - consumer who loves buying. Harriet Beecher Stowe: "undoubtedly the most gifted woman writer of the period." character Mary Scudder. women as functional and spiritual, men as shiftless thinkers. character Eva van Arsdel. woman the producer < woman the consumer. ... in consumer society, advertising is the most important institution, idea of David Potter. Shift from consumption to production, 1860-90. first rise of huge amounts of advertising during that period. advertising all about influence. writers says it's a distinct american trait - inability to focus and think for sustained period. George Powell, advertising pioneer. the feminine is the subconscious of capitalist society, which the advertiser must tap. Nathaniel Fowler, "most important figure in early American advertising" said women direct the buying of everything, even for men, hence should be aimed at. the 'influence' women were supposed to yield is the 'mother of advertising.' ... Lowell factories. for girls who would later generations attend Mount Holyoke and Vassar. to do good by stealth. girls should always 'move in curves.' 1845-75 "the great heyday of feminine authorship." vicarious lives, parasitic lives. victory without risk. rewards without effort. this is part of the middle-class woman's life promoted by certain female writers. cult of motherhood and maternity, strong as cult of democracy in mid-19th century america. paternal authority waned from jonathan edwards' time. a waning force in 19th century. women got flattery and worship in place of justice and equality. in reality women could demand almost anything (being nurses in Civil War, even the vote) as due their maternal nature. women took over primary education teaching - but only in US, NOT in other countries. ministers and women: from exerting power to exercising influence. substituting life for literature. a room of one's own? at least one is important in domestic sphere, if not society.

vocabulary: paean, panegyric, enormities, superannuated, concomitant, taciturn, didactic, obfuscate, palliative, sub rosa, epistolary, sedulous, mutatis mutandis, furbish, ratiocination, apotheosis, acumen, monomania, epistemology, suasion, grandiloquence, decorous, denouement
[we got 300 pages to go. hopefully will bust thru and complete this in about a week. ch3 will be up before noon cst]

Ch. 3: Ministers and Mothers: Changing and Exchanging Roles

http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/M...as-FAC-Ch3.mp3 (2:19)

- looks at 30 ministers and 30 literary women. all were self-conscious spokesmen. all pushed "liberal religious ends through literary means." reinterpreting and softening calvinism. women did mainly fiction and poetry, men less so. revolution in press, simultaneous to revolution in position of women and ministers: from private patrons pre-1800, to the growth of actual markets in the ordinary market sense. the rise of the technology facilitating mass production by mid-1800s. publishing was small-town printers, essentially vanity, until about 1840, then it became centralized in mass production facilities in handful of big cities (nyc, boston, phi). Main publishers at this time were NOT jews. They were protestants. Careys, Harpers, Everetts, Bonner. Harper: cheap prices, high circulation. They did educational series and "religious family series." 1820 best-seller = 5000 copies (Last of the Mohicans). 1845: 80,000 (Fern Leaves from Fanny's Portfolio). rise of NATIONAL markets, now that there are train tracks (1840s and '50s). feed the multitudes on the plain rather than pour nectar for the Olympians. advertising also arising at this time. growth and expansion of nation physically (trains, added states (louisiana purchase, california settlement) and in markets/technology. rise of popular writers, who wrote often, and for the public, and to make money. poe said the spirit of the age was wholly to "magazine literature." poe and others couldnt fully exploit this demand themselves, and somewhat looked down on those who could. 1800-1865, rise of literary magazines, "proliferation." mainly "domestic and religious." - again, this is BEFORE jews show up in large numbers (post-1880), and BEFORE jews dominate publishing. the growing mass-media truly serve the public - by giving it what it wants - and their media are NOT anti-christian, anti-family, anti-white. all that came in with the jews. the jews today LIE that they give the public what it wants, and direct the controlled left to blame CORPORATIONS, but in fact the jews put politics ahead of profits, and that explains the cast of literally everything they put out. ... ministers and women supposed to influence, rather than alter directly. literature fits this better than directer approaches like speaking. pros masquerading as amateurs. this allowed them to get into otherwise masculine markets. period under discussion is mostly 1820-1875. theology transforms into literature, over the generation before 1810 and the one after. reflected in beechers: writing tracks before 1810 vs novels and stories after. pushing the same morals but different forms. women almost needed clerical sanction before 1810 but had the market as soon as it developed, and the market was highly catered tto feminine tastes. feminine literary sentimentalism reached high point before civil war; after that it declined, today has low status (romance novels, greeting cards, low-end religious bilge). ... ministers retrogressive, increasingly regarded. come to be associated with bad health. clergy associated with weaker, more feminine types of males, those of bad health who stay indoors. minister as cultural custodian. not moving while the rest of the nation was, despite the voluntary system that followed disestablishment (ie, the preacher is employed at the pleasure of the flock, rather than being paid by the state regardless). ministers approximated the feminine ideal: curators, tastemakers. adj used to describe feminized ministers: sweet, meek, gentle, sensitive, poetic, delicate. so the unitarians and elite congregationalists are conservative/domestic like women and courted or presented a feminine image. (vs the evangelicals, the lower-end christians, socially). woman as weak and passive, this is her feminine genius. "feminine health was reputedly as poor as clerical health." women may have been sicker in 1700s but they didnt talk about it. the 1800s women and clergymen DID talk lots about being weak and sick. "cultural uses of sicknes" - concern that we aren't needed, draw attention to ourselves and our reduced place in public status. women gaind power, clergy lost power. both used illness to shield/advance their positions. both episcopalianism and unitarianism were "distinctly upper class." unitarianism more for self-examination and preaching, episcopalianism more catholic, more about display than self-examination. women took over fiction writing between 1820 and 1880; henry james saw them as dominate at the end of that period. Louisa May Alcott's (Little Women) rebellious Jo was a tomboy and a writer. female writers were poaching on male preserves, or seen to be. Catharine Beecher: Domestic Economy. ..."the sales of all the works by Hawthorne, Melville, Thoreau, and Whitman in the 1850s did not equal the sales of one of the more popular domestic novels." ministers could write tracts, systems of divinity, sermons, essays, sketches, even poetry and fiction. women could write tracts, sketches, poetry and fiction. ... precursors to feminization of ministerial culture: change from sex-segregated pews to family pews; minister taking over from state the marrying and burying of parishoners. these happened in 1600s. by 1800s it's mainly women listening to preachers, and the preachers need material/female support. harriet martineau said no one listened to american ministers but "women and superstitious men." she produced a 'celebrated study of New World society.' women were universally seen as dominating protestnat congregations by the mid-1800s. men drawn to the clergy were more mama's boys, they resembled their mothers physically and mentally. this was remarked on by others. English writer Trollope said she never saw a country where religion had so strong a hold upon hte women or so slight a hold upon the men. clergy alone, she said, gave women attention, in america. interest in history leads to 'library movement,' as does rise of mass publication. the liberal minister talked, wrote - "largely for women." nathaniel willis said, mid 1800s, women run everything outside politics and business. they run the press and determine the styles. willis was a "fashionable writer." ... mary lyon, revivals. mt holyoke. fusion of religious and pedagogical (teaching) roles. "empty gentility" of middle-class feminine life. ... liberal literature shows young girls in conflict with puritan fathers. harsh puritanism, calvinism, contrasted with more humane liberalism of 19th century. we see the seeds of our culture today. the jews took this idea and ran with it. thus anything honest and straight becomes "hate." examples of the girl vs the church fathers: joseph buckminster's Naomi (1848), in which the title girl is a persecuted Quaker who finds the church fathers too judgmental and bests them in argument; and Adeline D.T. Whitney's The Gayworthys (1865), in which a girl waters down the concept of 'election' to include everybody, thereby winning an old sailor to the church. good example of no-standards democratic pandering. Elizabeth Oakes Smith's Bertha and Lily (1854), girl competing with minister for spiritual leadership of community. the girl preaches, the minister marries her, recognizing she is superior, becomes a "lovely, inspired childman" while she is a fresh jesus. telling quote from sarah hale: "to bring about the true christian civilization, the men must become more like women, and the women must become more like angels." the second it had a chance, due to publishing technology, the public went with fiction over theology. which is another way of saying, it preferred the unserious to the serious. Edwars A. Park. "The Theology of the Intellect and the Theology of the Feelings" (1850). mother worship. woman as jesus. woman as god. woman as superior. family as woman's church. ministers were very against women becoming ministers, and long resisted their even doing missionary work. the rise of sunday school. begun in england for the lower classes in 1700s. spreads in america in early 1800s. empowers women as teachers of SS classes, and ministers see this as threat - they'll be in pulpits next! church v literature - both battle for mindshare and marketshare. figure: sword of spirit so covered by flowers and ribbons you cant make out what it is. "The rise of the novel was roughly coincidental with the commercialization of hte press..." novel a NEWER form, poetry an OLDER form. novels were long SUSPECT among clergy and the universities they founded. "a novel suggests without argument or labor" - it INFLUENCES. as WOMEN are supposed to do. novels likened to alcohol or drugs. similar to modern critics of tv-watchers. makes people passive. "it is because of novel-reading that so few people _think_." just as the novel eclipsed all other literary forms, with the advent of mass publication. so too did christianity become eclipsed by its feminine aspect or nature. William Ware's Zenobia (1836). heroic pagan society, bisexual, versus modern effeminized christian society. "rather cowardly new world of consumer culture." minister as middle-man, midwifing the rise of the age of the woman (middle class, feminine consumer).

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Really appreciated the Kupelian book. He deals with basically all of the important issues, but leaves out the racial and Jewish aspect of it, where Mr. Linder is perfectly fit to fill in the empty spots. This book is basically what millions of American Christians believe, I'd wager.
The petty right, let's call them, is congenitally unable to be honest about anything. Because that's what it's adult children want, I guess. Whatever the whites/right views jews are currently allowing transmitters to shed, the Founders are conformed with, factual reality be damned. So the Founders become, for example, individualists when in fact they were racists. But Little Man doesn't read - he's a baitfish, he does what baitfish do: puts on a tshirt and swims in a circle. Mass conservative burghers, alt-Little People, simply can't be dealt with one by one, rather they must be purchased wholesale by buying or threatening their leaders. The jews know how to do it, but it would work for any group. All the high fine words are forever on the lips of the professional conservative, but in practice they yield to semitically determined factual lies every single time. This is what makes conservatives like Kupelian contemptible, and worthy of the most derisive nicknames we can derive. But of course we prefer to deal with the organ grinder rather than the dancing monkey, so we mock his boss Suckpoop Joe Farah, tool of the jews.

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With the truth added to it, it is an excellent audio book for the average cuckservative, if they're open minded enough (a much more rare quality than you'd think going by Jewish media propaganda, as they always propagate for being 'open-minded' to fags and foreigners, that isn't really 'open-mindedness', that's brain-washing. Open-mindedness is about being open to the opposite of the media message, I believe).
Most conservative books follow the same pattern as Kupelian's. They're quick, shallow, superficial. They string a few quotes and examples, figure out a semitically safe bottom line, run on to the next area. But I will give him credit for the After The Ball stuff- I had not heard of that before this book, and it's very useful in explaining to people who Big Queer operates, although of course we need to insert the part about the mass media not being some neutral machinery all have access to.
 
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The Feminization of American Culture (1977)

Intro: The Legacy of American Victorianism: The Meaning of Little Eva

http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/M...ture-Intro.mp3 (1:39)

- old-style Calvinism with masculine preachers, intellectual rigor, foundation of America's first and top universities, gives way, via complete disestablishment of Protestant churches by 1833, to a softened, sentimentalized, femized consumer mass culture dominated by a new alliance between a new breed of preachers and middle-class women. originally the religious DOCTRINE mattered in a church, when colonies in NE at least were founded; but this concern declined, and churchgoing became mere middle-class social function. feeling > thought. niceness > rigor. femininity > logic or masculinity, first within the cultural sphere (evolution from 1820 to 1875), then later, in 1900 on, in ENTIRE sphere (aided by jews, the feminized mindset for whites dominates not just the reading culture of middle class, but the entire, uh, Ideosphere). protestantism was a very different thing after than before. she puts dates at 1820 and 1875. different type of man becomes preacher; different concerns (serious theology vs catering to women clients/customers) in 1900 than in 1800. loss of status as preacher becomes another supplicant to the Shesus. from Edwardseans (sinners in the hands of an angry god - focused on INDIVIDUAL soul and sin and salvation) to namby-pamby anti-intellectual feelings-mush centered on love - which quickly perverted into Social Gospel around 1900. christianity in america evolved into something very useful to jews, just about the time they showed up. of course she doesnt touch on that part. ... douglas laments the rise of an anti-intellectual mass-consumerist, feminized but not feminist american culture; she wishes calvinist patriarchal intellectual rigor had opened to others rather than lowered. but can you have serious intellectual culture AND feminism at the same time? is intellectual culture consistent with non-patriarchal values, with matriarchy? douglas thinks so. but she might be wrong.



The Feminization of American Culture (1977)

Part One: The Sentimentalization of Status

Ch. 1: Clerical Disestablishment

[the chapters in this book are quite long so we'll break them up into multiple segments. this is Ch1a.]
http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/M...s-FAC-Ch1a.mp3 (59m)

- vocab: vitiation. how america became what it is today. softening. from logic to sentiment. from patriarchy to maudlin, soft, middle-class, feminine consumerism. outsiders and insiders agree that preaching has gone from men of strength and rigor to vaguely absurd pambies without anything substantial to say, catering to women. how america reached the state it was in when jews arrived in great numbers to pick up with their 'culture of critique.'

Ch. 1: Clerical Disestablishment

[conclusion]

http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/M...s-FAC-Ch1b.mp3 (1:36)

- liberal preachers deal with political, economic, social and personal consequences of disestablishment; they are essentially turned into women, and their thin bookish appeals are laughed at by the ruder, rougher evangelicals of the 'dissenting' sects (Baptists & Methodists), which then came to be called denominations. the churches were disestablished. voluntarism became the way. greater transience, less permanence, more uneasiness, more need to curry favor with congregation.


Ch. 2: Feminine Disestablishment

http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/M...as-FAC-Ch2.mp3 (2:13)

- what is to be women's role in this new society? women are to be passive and submissive. they are to provide examples of moral elevation. they have their sphere and must remain in it. most women approved this. sarah hale, doctrine of the feminine sphere. far more adherents than elizabeth cady stanton, a suffragette - who is far better known because she was a proto-feminist, hence more useful to The Agenda pushers. women were sacred within their role but nothing outside it. at least that is what douglas argues. these traditionalists did reform education, but that was part of women's role - women's education. women were supposed to be christian. that was a proper concern. parallel in bond between pastor and flock and woman and husband/kids. women and preachers worked together in Temperance movement. to rescue woman victim of drunken man, as much as him. Linda Huntley Sigourney, pre-civil war writer, poet. Temperance tales. Hale: "a fiend and an angel." fiend is man, angel is woman. a spiritual creature and a brute. and hale was a moderate, a mainstreamer. this was the common view. "women must engineer their wellbeing in a world dominated by a sex essentially hostile to it" - mainstream view. man's world. ... house and church alike move from centers of activity to places of words rather than deeds. life is centered elsewhere in the community, in later 1800s, compared to 1600s. DISESTABLISHMENT: end of state-supported religion, paralleled by disestablishment, informally, of women, through their changing role and importance in home. shift from PRODUCER to CONSUMER is the status shift. from the center, more or less, to the periphery. but this was a northern, northeastern, middle-class status shift. life from 1800-65 was still about the same for other women in other areas. the Southern "lady" was still economically important, what with slaves, running the household. her role didnt change till after the civil war. 1800, only nyc and phi had >50k residents. people made homespun in 1800, but by 1830, production was more commercial/industrial than domestic, particularly in the NE. the US was moving from agricultural to mft in the NE, so the home declined as a locus of production. the position of women declined as production shifted from home to factory. Bushnell saw an "Age of Homespun" yielding to a complete social-domestic revolution brought on by the rise of commercial manufactures. the home ceased to be a factory, with its farm producing goods for it to turn into products. women were valued for economic reasons, when they ran households; but far less so when they simply bought things as consumers. Dotha, mother, vs Mary, wife, Bushnell, symbolize the shift from producer and director, intelligent and respected, to sentimental piece and influence, less respected or listened to. women were obviously economically visible, but became less visible as middle-class consumers. not as clear what they did or what its value was. Eliza Farnham. woman as bird (her eastern view) vs woman as woman (westerner she interviews' view). Sara Josepha Hale - keep women from the "contagion" of money-making, let men handle that. new role being worked out post-Age of Homespun. two separate roles: commerce for men, pethood for women. Female Academies. taught very different material to women. women were kept away from natural sciences, more taught language and literature and history. "Grace Greenwood" - trivial female education as means of oppression. Thorstein Veblen - woman as emblem of 'conspicuous consumption. different variety of dumbed-down education. today it's for all (non-jews). serious education for women did not make progress till decade after the civil war, says douglas. women were to be educated to better serve men, reformers and conservatives agreed. not to play big role as participants but rather as consumers and agents of moral influence: "a saint and a consumer." literary women: Sara Edgarton Mayo. reading as way to while away hours while men worked. 'sentimental domestic novels' dominated women's market, 1840-80. The Wide, Wide World (1850). first of best-selling domestic novels. character ellen - consumer who loves buying. Harriet Beecher Stowe: "undoubtedly the most gifted woman writer of the period." character Mary Scudder. women as functional and spiritual, men as shiftless thinkers. character Eva van Arsdel. woman the producer < woman the consumer. ... in consumer society, advertising is the most important institution, idea of David Potter. Shift from consumption to production, 1860-90. first rise of huge amounts of advertising during that period. advertising all about influence. writers says it's a distinct american trait - inability to focus and think for sustained period. George Powell, advertising pioneer. the feminine is the subconscious of capitalist society, which the advertiser must tap. Nathaniel Fowler, "most important figure in early American advertising" said women direct the buying of everything, even for men, hence should be aimed at. the 'influence' women were supposed to yield is the 'mother of advertising.' ... Lowell factories. for girls who would later generations attend Mount Holyoke and Vassar. to do good by stealth. girls should always 'move in curves.' 1845-75 "the great heyday of feminine authorship." vicarious lives, parasitic lives. victory without risk. rewards without effort. this is part of the middle-class woman's life promoted by certain female writers. cult of motherhood and maternity, strong as cult of democracy in mid-19th century america. paternal authority waned from jonathan edwards' time. a waning force in 19th century. women got flattery and worship in place of justice and equality. in reality women could demand almost anything (being nurses in Civil War, even the vote) as due their maternal nature. women took over primary education teaching - but only in US, NOT in other countries. ministers and women: from exerting power to exercising influence. substituting life for literature. a room of one's own? at least one is important in domestic sphere, if not society.

vocabulary: paean, panegyric, enormities, superannuated, concomitant, taciturn, didactic, obfuscate, palliative, sub rosa, epistolary, sedulous, mutatis mutandis, furbish, ratiocination, apotheosis, acumen, monomania, epistemology, suasion, grandiloquence, decorous, denouement

[we got 300 pages to go. hopefully will bust thru and complete this in about a week. ch3 will be up before noon cst]

Ch. 3: Ministers and Mothers: Changing and Exchanging Roles

http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/M...as-FAC-Ch3.mp3 (2:19)

- looks at 30 ministers and 30 literary women. all were self-conscious spokesmen. all pushed "liberal religious ends through literary means." reinterpreting and softening calvinism. women did mainly fiction and poetry, men less so. revolution in press, simultaneous to revolution in position of women and ministers: from private patrons pre-1800, to the growth of actual markets in the ordinary market sense. the rise of the technology facilitating mass production by mid-1800s. publishing was small-town printers, essentially vanity, until about 1840, then it became centralized in mass production facilities in handful of big cities (nyc, boston, phi). Main publishers at this time were NOT jews. They were protestants. Careys, Harpers, Everetts, Bonner. Harper: cheap prices, high circulation. They did educational series and "religious family series." 1820 best-seller = 5000 copies (Last of the Mohicans). 1845: 80,000 (Fern Leaves from Fanny's Portfolio). rise of NATIONAL markets, now that there are train tracks (1840s and '50s). feed the multitudes on the plain rather than pour nectar for the Olympians. advertising also arising at this time. growth and expansion of nation physically (trains, added states (louisiana purchase, california settlement) and in markets/technology. rise of popular writers, who wrote often, and for the public, and to make money. poe said the spirit of the age was wholly to "magazine literature." poe and others couldnt fully exploit this demand themselves, and somewhat looked down on those who could. 1800-1865, rise of literary magazines, "proliferation." mainly "domestic and religious." - again, this is BEFORE jews show up in large numbers (post-1880), and BEFORE jews dominate publishing. the growing mass-media truly serve the public - by giving it what it wants - and their media are NOT anti-christian, anti-family, anti-white. all that came in with the jews. the jews today LIE that they give the public what it wants, and direct the controlled left to blame CORPORATIONS, but in fact the jews put politics ahead of profits, and that explains the cast of literally everything they put out. ... ministers and women supposed to influence, rather than alter directly. literature fits this better than directer approaches like speaking. pros masquerading as amateurs. this allowed them to get into otherwise masculine markets. period under discussion is mostly 1820-1875. theology transforms into literature, over the generation before 1810 and the one after. reflected in beechers: writing tracks before 1810 vs novels and stories after. pushing the same morals but different forms. women almost needed clerical sanction before 1810 but had the market as soon as it developed, and the market was highly catered tto feminine tastes. feminine literary sentimentalism reached high point before civil war; after that it declined, today has low status (romance novels, greeting cards, low-end religious bilge). ... ministers retrogressive, increasingly regarded. come to be associated with bad health. clergy associated with weaker, more feminine types of males, those of bad health who stay indoors. minister as cultural custodian. not moving while the rest of the nation was, despite the voluntary system that followed disestablishment (ie, the preacher is employed at the pleasure of the flock, rather than being paid by the state regardless). ministers approximated the feminine ideal: curators, tastemakers. adj used to describe feminized ministers: sweet, meek, gentle, sensitive, poetic, delicate. so the unitarians and elite congregationalists are conservative/domestic like women and courted or presented a feminine image. (vs the evangelicals, the lower-end christians, socially). woman as weak and passive, this is her feminine genius. "feminine health was reputedly as poor as clerical health." women may have been sicker in 1700s but they didnt talk about it. the 1800s women and clergymen DID talk lots about being weak and sick. "cultural uses of sicknes" - concern that we aren't needed, draw attention to ourselves and our reduced place in public status. women gaind power, clergy lost power. both used illness to shield/advance their positions. both episcopalianism and unitarianism were "distinctly upper class." unitarianism more for self-examination and preaching, episcopalianism more catholic, more about display than self-examination. women took over fiction writing between 1820 and 1880; henry james saw them as dominate at the end of that period. Louisa May Alcott's (Little Women) rebellious Jo was a tomboy and a writer. female writers were poaching on male preserves, or seen to be. Catharine Beecher: Domestic Economy. ..."the sales of all the works by Hawthorne, Melville, Thoreau, and Whitman in the 1850s did not equal the sales of one of the more popular domestic novels." ministers could write tracts, systems of divinity, sermons, essays, sketches, even poetry and fiction. women could write tracts, sketches, poetry and fiction. ... precursors to feminization of ministerial culture: change from sex-segregated pews to family pews; minister taking over from state the marrying and burying of parishoners. these happened in 1600s. by 1800s it's mainly women listening to preachers, and the preachers need material/female support. harriet martineau said no one listened to american ministers but "women and superstitious men." she produced a 'celebrated study of New World society.' women were universally seen as dominating protestnat congregations by the mid-1800s. men drawn to the clergy were more mama's boys, they resembled their mothers physically and mentally. this was remarked on by others. English writer Trollope said she never saw a country where religion had so strong a hold upon hte women or so slight a hold upon the men. clergy alone, she said, gave women attention, in america. interest in history leads to 'library movement,' as does rise of mass publication. the liberal minister talked, wrote - "largely for women." nathaniel willis said, mid 1800s, women run everything outside politics and business. they run the press and determine the styles. willis was a "fashionable writer." ... mary lyon, revivals. mt holyoke. fusion of religious and pedagogical (teaching) roles. "empty gentility" of middle-class feminine life. ... liberal literature shows young girls in conflict with puritan fathers. harsh puritanism, calvinism, contrasted with more humane liberalism of 19th century. we see the seeds of our culture today. the jews took this idea and ran with it. thus anything honest and straight becomes "hate." examples of the girl vs the church fathers: joseph buckminster's Naomi (1848), in which the title girl is a persecuted Quaker who finds the church fathers too judgmental and bests them in argument; and Adeline D.T. Whitney's The Gayworthys (1865), in which a girl waters down the concept of 'election' to include everybody, thereby winning an old sailor to the church. good example of no-standards democratic pandering. Elizabeth Oakes Smith's Bertha and Lily (1854), girl competing with minister for spiritual leadership of community. the girl preaches, the minister marries her, recognizing she is superior, becomes a "lovely, inspired childman" while she is a fresh jesus. telling quote from sarah hale: "to bring about the true christian civilization, the men must become more like women, and the women must become more like angels." the second it had a chance, due to publishing technology, the public went with fiction over theology. which is another way of saying, it preferred the unserious to the serious. Edwars A. Park. "The Theology of the Intellect and the Theology of the Feelings" (1850). mother worship. woman as jesus. woman as god. woman as superior. family as woman's church. ministers were very against women becoming ministers, and long resisted their even doing missionary work. the rise of sunday school. begun in england for the lower classes in 1700s. spreads in america in early 1800s. empowers women as teachers of SS classes, and ministers see this as threat - they'll be in pulpits next! church v literature - both battle for mindshare and marketshare. figure: sword of spirit so covered by flowers and ribbons you cant make out what it is. "The rise of the novel was roughly coincidental with the commercialization of hte press..." novel a NEWER form, poetry an OLDER form. novels were long SUSPECT among clergy and the universities they founded. "a novel suggests without argument or labor" - it INFLUENCES. as WOMEN are supposed to do. novels likened to alcohol or drugs. similar to modern critics of tv-watchers. makes people passive. "it is because of novel-reading that so few people _think_." just as the novel eclipsed all other literary forms, with the advent of mass publication. so too did christianity become eclipsed by its feminine aspect or nature. William Ware's Zenobia (1836). heroic pagan society, bisexual, versus modern effeminized christian society. "rather cowardly new world of consumer culture." minister as middle-man, midwifing the rise of the age of the woman (middle class, feminine consumer).

vocabulary: preponderance, concomitantly, dyspepsia, casuist, manque
Ch. 4: The Loss of Theology: From Dogma to Fiction

[4a - on atonement, first SEGMENT of ch4, to p.139-155]

http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/M...s-FAC-Ch4a.mp3 (54m)

- 'forces of sentimentalism' changed doctrines. New England Calvinism. Jonathan Edwards. His boy Joseph Bellamy, "follower and popularizer." He wrote True Religion Delineated" (1750). doctrine of atonement was key to this cold old hard calvinism. god as drama queen. men as bit players. god created the world to reflect his manifold awesomeness. man is infinitely depraved, and deserves nothing but hellfire. yet god can save him, via jesus, if he decides. he has no reason to, he just can. christ changes NOTHING (spoken Wonka good-day-sir fashion). douglas says this doctrine of atonement is a "horrifying" one that yet once possessed enormous imaginative and intellectual appeal. that god hates his charges, not loves them, and has no desire to save them, though he can. this picture of god gave people energy, she says. God was truly AWESOME - august and terrifying. People kind of get off on this. They don't "relate" to this god, they are worms before it. And they kind of like and use that. This is human psychology. "Use your illusions" as GnR said. It's kind of like the female desire to be dominated in bed writ large, or societal. "I would have totally groveled" as Akroyd's wench "Bunny" says in Trading Places. These old puritans, for all their sexlessness, WANT to feel the worm. That's my interpretation anyway. I come from these people, in good section. We would always ask my mom what we were going to eat, and she would often say, "We're going to fast and pray." She was always kidding. But I always suspected that was an echo, of our Puritan forebears, and she would have been at home in that earlier time of general spareness. Calvinism, right or wrong, "squarely faced" the facts of evil, horror, injustice in daily life. this IS admirable. people know what they need, and that it's not the same as what they want. when they can FACE something they KNOW they won't necessarily LIKE - this is when you have strong people and strong society. when they CANT face facts, they can ONLY hear what they WANT to hear, what is flattering, that is when you have a WEAK society. this is why RACIALISM is STRONG and liberalism is degenerate and weak. Edwards and Bellamy weren't out there trying to be hip young preachers, and play rock music and APPEAL to these puritanicals, they were saying "I got something you NEED to hear, which is TRUE whether you LIKE IT OR NOT. It has nothing to do with me, and you'd goddamned be well advised to LISTEN because your ETERNAL SOUL is at stake." That's what seriousness looks like, even if the arguments made a technically wrong. Edwards and Bellamy et al. may have been wrong, but they are NOT clowns. They didnt say religion is all about love and mercy, they were closer to the opposite. Their hard approach served people better than today's soft approach, it is manifest. They were offering nutrition, where people prefer today junk food, for body, mind and soul. VNN is descended in part from Congregationalist preachers, and we have always tried to exhibit some of this necessary sternness and rigor. FACE what you are doing, people. And what you are DOING is what you ARE. "That's not me!" No...THAT IS YOU. ... the classic calvinist paternal, factual view shifted to a MAternal "affective" (feelings based) one by first half of 1800s. shift from FACTS to FEELINGS. key thing here: douglas asserts that while patriarchal view was disetablished, no true matriarchal view replaced it. just weakness. she says strength is "as essential" to the feminine as to the masculine, but this feminine approach was never fully worked out. can it be worked out, actually? is the question that arises and should be put to her, here. i dont think it can. heretical views of Atonement become the new orthodoxy, over course of 1800s. the liberal wing comes to dominate. Hosea Ballou, Treatise on the Atonement. god attends to men, and their spiritual growth is his preoccupation. a man-centered god! the opposite of what bellamy preached. so do things religious permutate over time. what doesn't exist is susceptible to endless and equally likely or reasonable interpretations . Ballou sees god-man as father-son relation, Bellamy did not see this. God is not the loving father, that is a newer idea. increasing liberalization and anthropomorphicizing of god thru Worcester, then Bushnell (The Vicarious Sacrifice). Sarah Hale reinterpreted the fall, said god created woman last and best - not for man's sensual pleasure but moral elevation and refined human affections.

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Linder has a penchant for short serious works, so I would suggest to him the very short book, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biohazard_%28book%29

I'd wonder what kind of commentary Linder would give regarding tons of anthrax and other diseases stored up for the sole purpose of exterminating white people. Both Eastern and Western governments and corporate elites have a strange fondness for testing biological weapons on their human cattle, in many cases disabling and even killing their own citizens for lolz.
 
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