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View Poll Results: Do you think Britain should join in the airstrikes?
Yes - any excuse to declare war on a non-European nation 1 4.76%
Yes, the Islamic State is a threat 1 4.76%
No, I support the Islamic State 1 4.76%
No, nothing to do with us/not until we're threatened 16 76.19%
Don't know 2 9.52%
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Old May 11th, 2014 #21
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If they do nothing, the passports are likely to return without their holders. What they really should do is to revoke the passports of British mercenaries interfering in the internal affairs of foreign countries.
 
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Some people don't need passports to interfere in the affairs of other countries. They manage it quite easily without ever leaving the country.
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It is a system stunt. The system have more than enough special forces soldiers and mercenaries deployed in Syria and among rebel forces that Hague is bankrolling to kill or have killed every last one of these jihadis.

This government and dozens before it have demonstrated that they are unable to prevent invaders entering the country, settling and dispossessing the natives of their jobs, homes, schools, universities, medical and social services.

If anything the government should be sealing the borders and systematically go through the existing immigrants one by one and identify any miscreants that have hostile intentions toward Britain and the British.
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Image: In Libya - starting with the blue flak-jacketed Paul Conroy of the British press, standing to his left with a rifle slung across his chest is LIFG terrorist Mahdi al-Harati, now leading FSA brigades in Syria, to his left wearing green camouflage fatigues is Abdul Hakim Belhaj, LIFG commander who had visited the Turkish-Syrian border pledging weapons, cash, and fighters to FSA militants in November 2011. That same month, some 600 LIFG terrorists from Libya would enter Syria and begin militant operations. Al Qaeda was a creation of Western geopolitical interests, and to this day continues to serve these interests. The "War on Terror" is a fraud.


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The "jihadis" pay structure must surely be on a par with their caucasian special forces soldiers and mercenary counterparts/comrades in arms.

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Old May 26th, 2014 #25
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Britons make up most of the foreign members in Syria's most violent terror group, a senior rebel leader says.

In a letter to The Times, Brig-Gen Abdulellah al-Basheer of the Free Syrian Army asks for help in curbing the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant.

He claims the group attacks opposition forces, not the Assad regime

UK fighters are involved in activities including beheadings, crucifixions and ill-treatment of women, he adds.

In his letter, General al-Basheer writes that ignoring the problem could lead to British extremists returning home to "continue on their pernicious path of destruction".

Last week father-of-two Mashudur Choudhury became the first person in the UK to be convicted of terrorist offences in connection with the conflict in Syria.

Using the example of Choudhury, General al-Basheer writes: "He is one of many. They are not freedom fighters. They are terrorists."

He says the majority of non-Syrian members of the "predominantly foreign" Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, a Sunni Islamist group, are from Britain. But he claims it includes fighters from Germany and France.

'Increasingly brutal threat'

He says there are also members from a range of countries across the Middle East, Africa and the Gulf and they pose an "increasingly brutal threat".

He writes: "We the Syrian people now experience beheadings, crucifixions, beatings, murders, outdated methods of treating women, an obsolete approach to governing society."

"Many who participate in these activities are British.

"The UK and US governments must support us to defeat terrorism in Syria and prevent it from being exported to Europe and the US."

General al-Basheer also claims that the group (which he refers to as ISIL, though it is also known as ISIS) kidnaps Free Syrian Army fighters and targets civilian homes in the city of Raqqa, instead of a nearby regime-controlled air base.

Tens of thousands of people have been killed in the Syrian conflict and millions displaced.

An estimated 500 Europeans are now fighting in Syria, according to the EU's anti-terror chief.

A spokesman for the Foreign Office said: "The police and security services are actively working to detect and disrupt any terrorist threat from Syria and individuals who travel there.

"People who are thinking about travelling to Syria to engage in terrorist activity should be in no doubt that we will take the strongest possible action to protect our national security, including prosecuting those who break the law."
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Britain is to give £3 million of aid to Iraq as the first step in dealing with the humanitarian consequences of the bloody insurgency by Islamist extremists.

International Development Secretary Justine Greening said the initial tranche of emergency cash would allow agencies to supply water, sanitation, medicine, hygiene kits and basic household items.

Thousands have fled the sweeping advance of fighters from the al Qaida-inspired Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Isis) who have taken control of large areas including second city Mosul.

The Department for International Development (DfID) sent in experts yesterday to assess the scale of the crisis and it has now activated the UK's Rapid Response Facility.

"Iraq is facing serious humanitarian need," Ms Greening said.

"The UK contribution to the international relief response will include initial funding for clean water, medicine and sanitation, as well as support for the UNHCR (the United Nations refugee agency) to provide dedicated safety and welfare teams to protect vulnerable women."

The news came as Iran - a key ally of Nouri al-Maliki's Shia-dominated administration in Baghdad - indicated that it was ready to provide assistance.

Iranian president Hassan Rouhani said his country had "no option but to confront terrorism" and was "ready to provide assistance within international law" if requested.

Hundreds of young Iraqi men are said to be responding to a call from Iraq's top Shia cleric on Iraqis to do their "duty" to fight the insurgency amid reports of atrocities.

UN high commissioner for human rights Navi Pillay issued a warning about reports of war crimes, including summary executions and extrajudicial killings.

Britain and the US are considering what direct help could be given to Baghdad to help it counter the Isis advance but have ruled out any return of ground troops to the country.

US president Barack Obama said he would be considering a range of military options - said to include air strikes - over the coming days.

Foreign Secretary William Hague said the UK Government might offer counter-terrorism expertise.

He has held talks with Turkish foreign minister Ahmet Davutoglu "urgently to co-ordinate approaches to the instability in Iraq and links to Syria conflict", he said on Twitter.

The UK and US insisted it was for Iraq to deal with the issue however, with Mr Obama saying it had to be a "wake-up call" for Iraq's leaders.

Prime minister al-Maliki has been widely criticised for fuelling the sectarian divide in Iraq by openly favouring the majority Shia population at the expense of the Sunnis.

"We can't do it for them and in the absence of this type of political effort, short-term military action, including any assistance we might provide, won't succeed," Mr Obama said.

"So this should be a wake-up call: Iraq's leaders have to demonstrate a willingness to make hard decisions and compromises in order to bring the country together."

Two thirds of the aid money will be used by NGOs in the region to supply c lean water and sanitation, essential medicine, women-friendly hygiene kits and basic household items, the DfID said.

The rest would help protect vulnerable girls and women by funding d edicated UN safety and welfare teams to refugee camps.

Save the Children's acting country director in Iraq, Aram Shakaram, said: "As terrified families and children flee violence in Mosul, we are witnessing one of the largest and swiftest mass movements of people in the world in recent memory. This shocking escalation of violence is forcing hundreds of thousands of people to flee for their lives towards the Kurdistan region.

"Massive traffic jams and blocked roads are seriously hindering access and movement of aid, as hundreds of thousands flee from the raging violence and chaos. The most vulnerable families are those left behind and it's extremely difficult to reach them right now as the violence continues. We are also extremely concerned over how the Kurdistan region of Iraq will cope with the influx.

"Save the Children is on the ground working with refugees and displaced people in the Kurdistan Region of Iraq. As an immediate emergency priority, we will distribute water, food and hygiene kits to people fleeing Mosul in coordination with local authorities and organisations responding to the crisis.

"The majority of Iraqis fleeing Mosul had to escape in a matter of minutes as the situation deteriorated. Reaching out to them is an immediate priority and we appeal to the international community to step up its funding to this growing crisis."
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Old June 14th, 2014 #27
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No doubt we can expect another influx of Iraqi "refugees" with their well rehearsed sob stories
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No doubt we can expect another influx of Iraqi "refugees" with their well rehearsed sob stories
Probably too busy driving around in brand new ZOG Toyotas at the moment.



Image: ISIS has convoys of brand new matching Toyota's the same
vehicles seen among admittedly NATO-armed terrorists operating
everywhere from Libya to Syria, and now Iraq. It is a synthetic, state-
sponsored regional mercenary expeditionary force.
 
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BRITAIN might offer assistance with counter-terrorism expertise to authorities in Iraq fighting against a bloody insurgency by jihadist militants. Foreign Secretary William Hague stressed that Britain has no intention of putting military boots on the ground in the country.

But he said that a team from the Department for International Development was now on the ground in northern Iraq to see what humanitarian help the UK can give, and made clear that Britain is also ready to advise the Baghdad administration on counter-terrorism efforts.

Mr Hague also urged Iraq's political leaders from different communities to unite in responding to the 'brutal aggression against their country', and said that Britain would continue to press at the United Nations for a concerted response.

ht tp://w ww.stokesentinel.co.uk/Britain-assist-terrorism-fight/story-21234968-detail/story.html

We've had our noses in and out of Iraq since 1917 so this comes as no surprise.
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But he said that a team from the Department for International Development was now on the ground in northern Iraq to see what humanitarian help the UK can give
Toyotas, depleted uranium-tipped weapons, "security" consultants, angelena jolie, polio "vaccinations", drones?
 
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Toyotas, depleted uranium-tipped weapons, "security" consultants, angelena jolie, polio "vaccinations", drones?
Obviously I can't say whether this poster is telling the truth or not but from the Godlike Productions forum:

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Toyota plant in the U.S. is here...
7000 employees.
One day my daughter and I were passing it (I live within walking distance) and ended up at a red light, next to one of those huge car-carrier trucks that haul the brand new
cars....it had just exited the plant.
There were stickers on every car, labeling the destination
of all of them as "saudia arabia"
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to each one also, the same name on each one also...can't recall what the name was

Also, that's "Dame" Angelina Jolie now.....
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Tony Blair: "We di'nt do it".

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The 2003 invasion of Iraq is not to blame for the violent insurgency now gripping the country, former UK prime minister Tony Blair has said.

Speaking to the BBC's Andrew Marr, he said there would still be a "major problem" in the country even without the toppling of Saddam Hussein in 2003.

He insisted the current crisis was a "regional" issue that "affects us all".

Critics have rejected the comments as "bizarre" with one accusing Mr Blair of "washing his hands of responsibility".
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Tony Blair earning millions from Iraq war contacts

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Tony Blair: "We di'nt do it".

Tony Blair: "ISIS's Success In Iraq Is Due To Failure To Intervene In Syria"

The looming civil war and bloody insurgency in Iraq were caused by the West's failure to intervene in Syria, not the 2003 invasion to topple Saddam Hussein, Tony Blair has said in a renewed call for military action.
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As "peace" envoy for the Middle East, etc. maybe now is the time for Blair to don army clothes and lead his beloved ISIS into war, atop a UN toyota truck.
 
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The Lack of Major Wars May Be Hurting Economic Growth
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An additional explanation of slow growth is now receiving attention, however. It is the persistence and expectation of peace.

The world just hasn’t had that much warfare lately, at least not by historical standards. Some of the recent headlines about Iraq or South Sudan make our world sound like a very bloody place, but today’s casualties pale in light of the tens of millions of people killed in the two world wars in the first half of the 20th century. Even the Vietnam War had many more deaths than any recent war involving an affluent country.
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Living in a largely peaceful world with 2 percent G.D.P. growth has some big advantages that you don’t get with 4 percent growth and many more war deaths. Economic stasis may not feel very impressive, but it’s something our ancestors never quite managed to pull off. The real questions are whether we can do any better, and whether the recent prevalence of peace is a mere temporary bubble just waiting to be burst.
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How many wars is the ZOG regime currently waging???

They (or "we" as they like to be known) are at war with three quarters of the fucking planet!

Not to mention the on-going extermination and subjugation of every human of north and western European blood. Is that not "major wars" enough??
 
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Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki has accused neighboring Saudi Arabia of supporting terrorist groups operating inside his country.

“The current terrorism originates from Saudi Arabia,” Maliki said in a recent interview.

The Iraqi premier also blamed the country along with Qatar and Turkey for sponsoring terrorism in Syria.

Earlier this month, he informed UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon that Riyadh must be held accountable for the recent wave of terrorist attacks having claimed more than 800 lives in Iraq so far this month.

Additionally, in a speech in the southern city of Nasiriyah on January 19, Maliki stressed that Iraq is the target for some countries that are “backing terrorism, and backing evil.”

“The world has united with us,” Maliki added. “The [UN] Security Council, the European Union, and most Arab countries, except some diabolical treacherous countries.”

Violence has surged across Iraq in recent months, reaching its highest level since 2008.

In recent weeks, the country has been the scene of fighting between security forces and militants from the al-Qaeda-affiliated Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) in the western province of Anbar.

The clashes in Anbar broke out on December 30, 2013, when the army removed an anti-government protest camp in Ramadi. Authorities said the camp was used as “headquarters for the leadership of al-Qaeda.”

The bloodshed later spread to Fallujah and militants moved in and seized the city and parts of Ramadi.

In January, the Iraqi premier urged a global action against countries giving support to militants who operate against the Iraqi government, saying Baghdad is “fighting to defend the world, humanity and justice.”
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No one will care now how many hundreds of thousands of Iraqis have been slaughtered since 2003 because of the fantasies of Bush and Blair. These two men destroyed Saddam’s regime to make the world safe and declared that Iraq was part of a titanic battle against “Islamofascism”. Well, they lost. Remember that the Americans captured and recaptured Mosul to crush the power of Islamist fighters. They fought for Fallujah twice. And both cities have now been lost again to the Islamists. The armies of Bush and Blair have long gone home, declaring victory.

Under Obama, Saudi Arabia will continue to be treated as a friendly “moderate” in the Arab world, even though its royal family is founded upon the Wahhabist convictions of the Sunni Islamists in Syria and Iraq – and even though millions of its dollars are arming those same fighters. Thus does Saudi power both feed the monster in the deserts of Syria and Iraq and cosy up to the Western powers that protect it.

We should also remember that Maliki’s military attempts to retake Mosul are likely to be ferocious and bloody, just as Assad’s battles to retake cities have proved to be. The refugees fleeing Mosul are more frightened of Shia government revenge than they are of the Sunni jihadists who have captured their city.

We will all be told to regard the new armed “caliphate” as a “terror nation”. Abu Mohamed al-Adnani, the Isis spokesman, is intelligent, warning against arrogance, talking of an advance on Baghdad when he may be thinking of Damascus. Isis is largely leaving the civilians of Mosul unharmed.

Finally, we will be invited to regard the future as a sectarian war when it will be a war between Muslim sectarians and Muslim non-sectarians. The “terror” bit will be provided by the arms we send to all sides.
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The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) has boasted on Twitter that they have executed more than 1,700 Iraqi government soldiers this past week, and posted numerous pictures to support their claim.

The mass murders—the worst atrocity in either Syria or Iraq in recent years—are the direct result of the legacy of arch war criminals Tony Blair and George Bush, who, under the control of the respective Jewish lobbies in Britain and the US, launched the war which destroyed the Saddam Hussein regime which had kept the lid on Islamism for decades.

The images posted by the ISIS on Twitter show Iraqi soldiers under arrest, being put onto trucks, then marched off and forced to lie face down in shallow graves where they are then executed by being shot in the head with automatic rifle fire.

To make the situation even worse, the ISIS first gained its operational strength in the Syrian Civil War—where the “rebels” are supplied with arms and logistics supplied by the Obama regime in America.

The shocking situation has now been reached where the civilized world is faced with a resurgent Islamist extremist Caliphate movement—created and nurtured by the very nations it now seeks to destroy.

These are the people who Tony Blair and George Bush unleashed, and who were then aided and supported by Barack Obama. There is a case to be made for collective responsibility under war crimes trials for all these people—and their underlings.
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Violent insurgency in Iraq is the "predictable" result of the West's failure to intervene in Syria, not of the 2003 invasion to topple Saddam Hussein, Tony Blair declared in a renewed call for military action.

The former prime minister rejected as "bizarre" arguments that Iraq would be more stable and peaceful today if the US-backed war, which claimed the lives of 179 UK personnel, had not happened.

And he said that unless the international community was prepared to overcome public reluctance and confront the extremists "hard, with force", the consequences would be more serious still.
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Nice to see the Peace Envoy calling for bloodshed again.
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Nice to see the Peace Envoy calling for bloodshed again.
The Twitter and social media using ISIS has got the hateful creature beside himself with excitement for some reason. I wonder what that reason is.
 
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