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Old February 16th, 2005 #61
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You ought to. You have a voice that will be great on the radio Will and a charming and affable manner that doesnt really come across in your tough-as-nails writing. I would really look forward to that. You have many good stories and anecdotes that people would love to hear as well.
 
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I was looking at some more flag ideas and come across this one. It is a fictional flag for the ancient city-state of Sparta. It is similar in concept to our orion flag.


Why orion for Sparta? Because orion was the warrior as well as the hunter.

Here is an orion flag in blue. I know some people don't like blue and white designs because of the Fokker flag, but I think simple blue flags with white stars are very elegant.
 
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I was looking at some more flag ideas and come across this one. It is a fictional flag for the ancient city-state of Sparta. It is similar in concept to our orion flag.


Why orion for Sparta? Because orion was the warrior as well as the hunter.

Here is an orion flag in blue. I know some people don't like blue and white designs because of the Fokker flag, but I think simple blue flags with white stars are very elegant.
The first one wasn't all that bad, Beowulf. It has lots of the color red in it, which I like.

But frankly, when Alex makes his decision, I don't care if it's "Maggie's Drawers" on a flag pole, I'll work to promote it, and carry it proudly and defiantly.

How about that White Will ? Says he's gonna speak as a guest on the Peter Shaenk radio show. Won't that be something? All VNN'ers ought to tune in for that one. I've never heard him speak publicly, but with his jew-wiseness, education, and decades of WN activisms, it'll really be something to behold. That's for sure.

(God, I hope he doesn't mention that "dead jew on a stick". Just kidding, Will)
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Hey Byron, go ahead and set Will up for the Peter Shaenk show. Will left for the mountains today and usually spends 5-7 days there before returning home. Therefore, I suggest the date be between 22-30th of this month. He'll be available during that period. Will's credentials for warranting an appearance is him being a founder of the WFP, his 2 decades of WN activisms, and his military background - Green beret Captain, with 2 tours in Vietnam.
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How about something like this?

In this design I combined the ideas of patriotism and Americanism with the orion flag. In the canton area of the flag is an American Eagle, a widely recongnized symbol of America. Underneath the eagle is the motto LIBERTY OR DEATH. This motto was commonly used in the Revolutionary War, it is appropriately defiant, and it sums up the situation of our people; WE MUST HAVE LIBERTY OR WE WILL PARISH. In the rest of the flag is the constellation of Orion on a blue background, symbolizing our unity with and loyalty to the White Race above all else.
 
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How about something like this?

In this design I combined the ideas of patriotism and Americanism with the orion flag. In the canton area of the flag is an American Eagle, a widely recongnized symbol of America. Underneath the eagle is the motto LIBERTY OR DEATH. This motto was commonly used in the Revolutionary War, it is appropriately defiant, and it sums up the situation of our people; WE MUST HAVE LIBERTY OR WE WILL PARISH. In the rest of the flag is the constellation of Orion on a blue background, symbolizing our unity with and loyalty to the White Race above all else.

Hey! I like that one a lot!
 
Old February 16th, 2005 #67
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The Founders decided upon the female as a representative symbol for the republic for noble reasons that have nothing to do with today’s modern feminism. They choose a woman to remind themselves...........without their women, they had no posterity, and with no posterity they had nothing.

We must ask ourselves................On how many different levels has the jew sought to take our women away from us? The jew has stolen the minds and the hearts of our women while we slept, hypnotized by football games and anesthetized with beer. Our women went willingly with the jew down the path to niggerville.

Are we not champions of our women?

Why not put the ultimate truth on our flag?

Building on the heraldic woman theme, here is another rough draft of “Liberty” that might be used.

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Here is an image of Lady Freedom or Columbia. Apparently this depiction of Lady Liberty used to be very common but has sinced been replaced the the Statue of Liberty type depictions. Maybe we could incorporate something like this into the flag.
 
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Very well said, as usual. Thank you.



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Well, since Alex hasn't made the final decision on the flag, I suppose it's OK to continue debating it.

That Orion flag on page 5 did nothing to inspire me. "Red, white, and blue with 3 stars on it."

The last thing I want to do is cause friction between Southerners and non-Southerners, but decades of interactions and observations have led me to believe that many (not all) non-Southern WNs dislike the Confederate Battle Flag, and for less than an honorable or rationale reason. Which are (1) guilt for having forefathers who fought on the wrong side, and (2) A need to maintain feelings of superiority over defeated southerners. Or fear of southerners who might "rub it in".

My father fought in WWII; an uncle fought in WWI; my English, Scott, and Irish blood kinsmen fought against the Germans in both wars. But STILL I love the swastika. I openly admit they all fought against the interests of my Race, therefore, my respect and admiration goes to the Germans, for that reason alone. The North also fought against the interests of my Race, therefore my respect and admiration goes to the Southerners who fought FOR my Race. And I would still feel that way, even if I was not a Southerner myself.

And that, in my opinion, is the way we should all look upon the Confederate Battle Flag, and the Swastika flag as well.
 
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RE: Beowulf

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Here is an image of Lady Freedom or Columbia. Apparently this depiction of Lady Liberty used to be very common but has sinced been replaced the the Statue of Liberty type depictions. Maybe we could incorporate something like this into the flag.
I like that one.

I'll try to incorporate it into a flag design.
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Mention of "Lady Liberty" always makes me want to throw up.

 
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RE: Betsy Ross

How’s this?

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Mention of "Lady Liberty" always makes me want to throw up.
You hate the Statue of Liberty because all that you know about it is from the jew. Please don't misunderstand me. I'm not putting you down for the way that you feel..............allow me to tell you the truth.

The Statue of Liberty was originally a gift to America from the people of France. A token of love and friendship from one White nation to another. It symbolized grand ideals of White culture and hope for continued respect and admiration between our countries.

It had nothing to do with letting filthy immigrants into America until that piece of shit jew emma lazarus had her little poem etched on a bronze placket and slapped on the pedestal by a bunch of jews from New York. That’s when the jew declared that the Statue of Liberty was a beacon to the muds of the world. And that’s also when the revisionist history that you’ve been taught also began. Most people today have only heard the jew version of history regarding the statue as well as the hokey stories about Masonic deviltry in the symbolism. All of that is a crock of shit. The jews and the Masons tried to steal this symbol for themselves.

It’s just another piece of White culture that the jew has stolen from White people.

After the revolution.................we will reclaim all that is ours.
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this one's for Sam...

Listen. I said use the Confederate Battle Flag as a starting point. We don't want to replicate the past point for point, we want to distill its ideal elements into our contemporary alembic. The Confederate Battle Flag was never the official flag of the Confederacy. So it hasn't been ruined or even tried, politically. It never surrendered. It went down with fighting men, with working men. And it's also been a symbol of intellectual guerilla resistance to the evils of the system ever since and it has become an international symbol of that resistance. I said before that there are millions of men who have an honest respect for it. I think I ought to rephrase that. There are millions of men who have feelings that approach the metaphysical when they contemplate it. That is the kind of emotion that you want to activate because that is the kind of emotion that is willing to die for something.

And I would also say that while the leaders of the South did surrender physically, they never surrendered intellectually or spiritually. That is, the old leaders. Look at the Apology. The "Losers" remained completely "unreconstructed" and instead emphasized that while men die and times change, principles are immortal and that the death of the body only signified the pending birth of the spirit. And so the fight went on, into the modern age but now with words for bullets. There is a clear intellectual legacy of resistance in the South to the contemporary mindset that stretches all the way back to Thomas Jefferson, John Taylor, and John Calhoun. And I promise you that if this struggle ever goes anywhere in this country it will have to invoke the old Southern God of the Fathers for assistance. For that is the veteran force of the HERO against the machine of Northern Aggression which still exercises its corner on power and deception. It's not an issue of Southern Nationalism, it's about fighting a global Leviathan that has its nest in New York City. You talk of slaying the diversity dragon. How will you do that unless you can consciously add to your own strength, the strength of a thousand key ancestors who had something articulate to say about it on this turf?

Like I said, the battle flag is still being fought for, point being that it is on people's minds, right NOW. When Howard Dean started his campaign for the presidency, he made the unfortunate mistake of saying that he wanted to be the candidate for the guy with a Confederate Battle Flag and a pickup truck. Boy, that idiot obviously didn't understand what party he was trying to represent, did he? And they summarily beat him down. But he said that for a reason. And the reason was that everywhere he campaigned in the South, all people wanted to talk about was that flag and how a little coterie of snotnosed liberals had succeeded in overpowering the general will with their pseudonotions of respectability and political correctness, always belied, mind you, by hopes of attracting corporate interests or media coverage from outside the region. He also said that because he recognized, as Sam Francis and many others had before, that there was this huge segment of the population that was completely being ignored by both political parties. That segment is the white working class male. He also exists outside of the South but almost always sympathizes with the rebel flag and all of its 'baggage'. And if I am not mistaken, it is this man that is the focus of the political party that you fellas are talking about.

About this ORION flag. Sorry. It won't work. There is nothing you can say to change my mind. And I will tell you why it's gotta go. First of all, it's not magnetic. It's ugly. It's disproportionate. The top third is white so at a certain angle when it is flying, it could be mistaken for a flag of surrender. And the red is just too simplistically blunt. The stars don't work. Especially the strange twist of a royal blue star in the white field. No no. You cannot do that. I'm guessing that it is supposed to represent the belt of ORION the constellation. But it just looks like they're kind've randomly put out there.

Do I have a better idea? Maybe.

Here's one I've been working on.

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I started with the Confederate Battle Flag. And then I recalled an interesting comment made by an authority on Germanic Runes, named Edred Thorsson, in his book Runelore . He says that the actual sig-rune ( sig meaning victory) of the ancient Norse was not the S-rune, which was later compounded by the National Socialists into the swastika, but instead was actually the T-rune. Now, that is the Tiwaz rune and it's shaped like an arrow pointing straight up. Tiwaz is the ancient Germanic god of war and justice. So I turned the X into four arrows. I thought that that was interesting and that maybe it meant something about guarding oneself from four directions. But then I thought that it wasn't enough because there were other directions unaccounted for. So I added a vertical bar as well as a horizontal bar with arrows down the middle. After that, I thought, well there's the Union Jack. But in the Union Jack the hor/vert cross is enlarged and emphasized compared with the St.Andrew's Cross which is smaller and in the back. Since the Confederate Battle Flag was based on the St. Andrew's Cross, I thought to do the opposite and emphasize that one and shrink the hor/vert cross. That makes for eight directions, 24 points with arrows included. There are 24 runes, also 24 hours in the day. The theory is that there is some mystery to the 24-foldedness of our universe. 8 goes into 24, three times. And there are actually eight runes aligned in three rows, at least in the elder futhark.

Then there was a problem with the stars. It looked a little funny with the stars along the X and nothing marking the hor/vert cross. I tried to justify that to myself because the X was the bigger cross and required the emphasis. I still kind've like that idea. But for this version, I took the stars and made a circle just like the first flag of the United States. Thirteen stars made it uneven looking but I liked the thirteen as a reference to the 13 states of the Confederacy(MI and KY included) and also the original thirteen states. So I put one star in the middle and enlarged it to signify the need for a superseding unity. That way the twelve other stars could serve almost like a clock of twelve hours. And twelve, of course, goes into twenty-four.

Then I decided to turn the color scheme inside out because runes are always written in red, signifying the blood. The blue just seemed too soft and so I made it black. That may be a symbol that our resolve has hardened over time. I'm not sure. I do have some other theories about that.

And here's the humdinger. After looking at it, I was reminded of something else, which was the chaos symbol. The symbol is usually represented by a circle with eight arrows going out from it, signifying infinite possibility. Well, that's just perfect, I thought.

Here's another reading on it. The center is the root. It is accounted for and well-guarded from every direction. This is past experience. The thing we always return to, the wisdom of our fathers, and the wisdom at the root of our selves. At the same time, we must seek out the periphery, the cutting edge, the frontier, the future. The arrows pointing out suggest that quest, an eternal seeking that is brave enough to look in all directions and fight for the Truth despite its implications ( I am minded of Nathan Bedford Forrest's comment to his men, when they were being attacked from the front and the back to "CHARGE BOTH WAYS!")

You know, they say that Chaos Theory essentially is the scientific concept that a butterfly flapping its wings in Malaysia is somehow responsible for a thunderstorm in New York. Seems like I've heard what amounted to that idea somewhere before. Something about a mustard seed and a mountain...

"...young men, the God of your Fathers is a just and merciful God,

Who in this blood once shed on your green altars,

Measures out all days and measures out the grace,

Whereby alone we live.

and in his Might he waits,

Brooding within the certitude of time,

To bring this lost forsaken valor,

And the fierce faith undying,

And the love quenchless,

To flower upon the hills to which we cleave,

To fruit upon the mountains whither we flee,

Never forsaking, never denying,

His children and his children's children forever,

Unto all generations of the faithful heart."

- from the poem, "Lee in the Mountains,"
by Donald Davidson



Nay, sayd the lord Percy, I told it the beforne,

That I wolde never yeldyde be,

To no man of a woman born...
 
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Brutus,

THANK YOU! That's exactly how I imagined it.

I think it's sharp! You did a great job: thank you!

By the way, Brutus, what's your opinion of it?

What do the rest of you think?

Rounder, do you like it?
Awesome, Betsy Ross. Just awesome. Thank you and brutus for brightening this old redneck's day. I made a copy with my printer, and will show it to my sons and local Ku Kluxer friends for their inspiration and viewing enjoyment.
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Man, that flag grows on you the longer you look at it. I do believe my hair raised up a bit.

Just imagine thousands of us goose stepping down main street, each carrying one on a 11-foot flag pole, to the tune of a War Song of the Third Reich. While Jew York jews watched us on the evening TV news. Oh, glory day !!!
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The "Statue of Liberty" was erected after self government was eliminated in the US. It was the signal sent from European jews that the way was then clear for their exploitation of Amerikwa. That was when the waves of jew immigrants came pouring in.

The disgusting thing ought to be dynamited.




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You hate the Statue of Liberty because all that you know about it is from the jew. Please don't misunderstand me. I'm not putting you down for the way that you feel..............allow me to tell you the truth.

The Statue of Liberty was originally a gift to America from the people of France. A token of love and friendship from one White nation to another. It symbolized grand ideals of White culture and hope for continued respect and admiration between our countries.

It had nothing to do with letting filthy immigrants into America until that piece of shit jew emma lazarus had her little poem etched on a bronze placket and slapped on the pedestal by a bunch of jews from New York. That’s when the jew declared that the Statue of Liberty was a beacon to the muds of the world. And that’s also when the revisionist history that you’ve been taught also began. Most people today have only heard the jew version of history regarding the statue as well as the hokey stories about Masonic deviltry in the symbolism. All of that is a crock of shit. The jews and the Masons tried to steal this symbol for themselves.

It’s just another piece of White culture that the jew has stolen from White people.

After the revolution.................we will reclaim all that is ours.
 
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Enhanced version of Betsy Ross' flag.

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Not "too Southern", or "too N.S.". Yet speaks loudly to both. I could dance to that tune.
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It's beautiful, but doesn't it carry a lot of baggage? <humor>


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