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Old August 23rd, 2015 #1
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Default What are the opinions here on Fukushima and its effects on pacific wildlife?

Much like every issue there are two sides to Fukushima. There are reports of dying wildlife on the pacific coast of the U.S. that are seemingly at unprecedented levels. The experts interviewed over the matter dismiss the concerns.

Those that are concerned over the mounting death reports are aware of Fukushima and connect the problem with that. Those that dismiss nuclear waste is at fault claim it's a natural cycle of boom and bust population increases. They also dismiss any leaks from Fukushima as negligable as the pacific is big enough to dissipate any radiation to near undetectable levels.

This is an issue that is black and white and mimics the issues of concern of many other topics. The populace at large notice something is amiss and raise a concerned voice only to be told by the media/experts that all is normal, go back home.

What is the view of the matter here?
 
Old August 23rd, 2015 #2
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Islands and Atolls in the Pacific were used as targets for Hydrogen bomb testing for decades and it does not appear to have any real effects on wildlife.
 
Old August 24th, 2015 #3
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Old August 24th, 2015 #4
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John Adams, the Bikini Atoll is still uninhabitable and the local fish are contaminated.

How much radiation can the ocean dilute down to acceptable levels and do we really want to find out? To me, fixing Fukushima should be priority one on a global scale.

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Old August 24th, 2015 #5
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Any nation that builds a Nuclear Plant in a earthquake plagued coastline with massive threats of tsunami are simply asking for what happened to them.

Their redundant backups for cooling the reactor in the event of a disruption were near non existent. How regulators allow some reactors to operate without multiple shutdown prevention is beyond ignorance.

Once again,,,,,,Greed over safety.
 
Old August 24th, 2015 #6
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Those facilities were also in private hands. Just another reason for nationalizing utilities.
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Old August 25th, 2015 #7
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"What are the opinions here on Fukushima and its effects on pacific wildlife?"





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Those facilities were also in private hands. Just another reason for nationalizing utilities.

So put the same people in charge of medicaid and the VA in charge of nuclear facilities? I think there is a flaw in that logic.
 
Old August 25th, 2015 #8
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Privatised utilities are only interested in profit. Maybe, I'm speaking too soon, since France has its oldest nuke facilty not that far from here. But, since having them, there's not yet been a meltdown there. Then again, Japan isn't a White society, despite their admiring and striving to be as good as Whites.
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Old August 25th, 2015 #9
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What is the government interested in? They are interested in fleecing the public, giving jobs to incompetents as part of the spoils system, delaying rather than solving problems so they happen to the next guy, etc. etc.

The profit motive is a powerful incentive, that makes capitalists very predictable if half-way intelligent and moral politicians write the rules. Of course that is the catch...
 
Old August 26th, 2015 #10
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Capitalists have every motive in the world to cut corners in safety protocols to help their bottom line. You can see how they operated in the early industrial era when no safety measures were enforced by the government. You had people losing fingers/arms and other body parts in dangerous machines with no safety devices and getting fired with no compensation because they couldn't do their job with 1 less arm. I think the idea of leaving people like that in charge of nuclear facilities and with few regulations (The Conservative model) is nuttier than a shithouse rat. Fukushima is case and point. Nuclear facilities are better left in the hands of a responsible government that values the safety of its citizens above profits. Yes Capitalists are predictable, which is why its fucking crazy to try and say they'd manage these facilities any better.
 
Old August 27th, 2015 #11
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Nuclear facilities are better left in the hands of a responsible government that values the safety of its citizens above profits.

Which earthly governments fall under this description?

If a government can't be relied upon to regulate an industry, they also can't be trusted to run it.
 
Old August 28th, 2015 #12
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Default With the exception of Britain and France, most of the following governments have responsible track records. Not all of these locations are nationalized:

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Old August 29th, 2015 #13
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"Hey look! I can see Chernobyl from your post!"
 
Old September 4th, 2015 #14
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I was sent a link on the matter.

http://jamesfetzer.blogspot.com/2015...nkind.html?m=1

Food for thought.
 
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