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Old August 5th, 2018 #1
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Benito Mussolini was the inventor of fascism . . . fascism was a reaction to the communist upheaval which rocked Italy during the years after World War 1 . . . Apart from that it was an attempt to re-establish Italy after the disappointing outcome of World War 1 for her . . she had lost all her colonial possessions . .

Mussolini who started out as a socialist took the ideas of socialism ( even looked at the Soviet Union ) and more or less developed his own form of 'socialism' , calling it 'fascism' . . What fascism and socialism had in common was that it was a one-party state . .

What separtated fascism and socialism though was that in contrast to Soviet 'socialism' ( Bolshevism ) not 'revolutionary' ideas were held up but actually conservative ones . . Soviet Bolshevism was all about abolition of the family for example . .

So one might call Italian fascism a counterrevolution . .

Italy, like many other European nations, were close to witness a Communist/Bolshevik revolution as had happened in Russia . .


It is often underestimated that a huge Communist upheaval swept throughout Europe in the time after World War 1 . .

The three main dissidents were Hitler , Mussolini and Franco . .

Italy also wanted , apart from doing away with Communism , resurrect herself . .

The fascists went their own way , tried to re-conquer colonies and ruled Italy more or less based on military , Church and conservative values . .


Italian fascists adopted the symbolism of the late Roman Empire . . .




The word 'fascism' derives from 'fasces' , an instrument used in old Rome to spread discipline . .

Apart from that they had the Roman salute . .


It should be noted that , had the Bolsheviks succeeded in also communizing Italy that might have been quite a strategic victory for them . . . .
The Roman Catholic Church is resident in Italy so if they had taken Rome that might have been a strategic victory . . The Bolsheviks also sought to un-christianize Europe . .


So , all in all , it was a strategic victory that Italy succeeded with its counterrevolution . .

Apart from the fact that the National Socialists of Germany took over many things from Italian fascism ( though National Socialism and fascism is not the same . . .) .

It should also be noted that Mussolini outlawed Freemasonry in Italy and that he did not allow his people to listen to Jazz . .

Mussolini , more or less , tried to reestablish the Roman Empire . . He did not succeed though . .

 
Old August 6th, 2018 #2
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Fascism of Mussolini is based on State Nationalism, National Socialism is based on People's Nationalism.

People's Nationalism

This is a form of Nationalism that emanates from a people.
People's Nationalism therefore assumes that the people are more important than the state.
A group/nation is described by People's Nationalists as a group of people with a common language, culture, ethnic background and history.

State Nationalism

This is a form of Nationalism where the state is central. It is legitimized by the active participation in the power of the inhabitants of the state, without taking into account the ethnic background of those residents.

The photo you use is from the Dutch NSB,some more info about it you can find here.

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Old August 6th, 2018 #3
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Fascism of Mussolini is based on State Nationalism, National Socialism is based on People's Nationalism.

People's Nationalism

This is a form of Nationalism that emanates from a people.
People's Nationalism therefore assumes that the people are more important than the state.
A group/nation is described by People's Nationalists as a group of people with a common language, culture, ethnic background and history.

State Nationalism

This is a form of Nationalism where the state is central. It is legitimized by the active participation in the power of the inhabitants of the state, without taking into account the ethnic background of those residents.

The photo you use is from the Dutch NSB,some more info about it you can find here.

Good observation . . . .

I for one see the differences bewteen Mussolini, Hitler and Franco as follows . .
Mussolini was , above all , anti-Communist . .

He tried to , above all , reinstall 'conservative' state structures like the Church , patriotism etc . . The Bolsheviks , like I said , even were for the abolition of family . . . .

Mussolini knew that Bolshevism was a jewish plot and sought to protect his people from Bolshevik tendencies , i . e. that they would go under the yoke of Moscow . .


So , Mussolini = above all anti-Communist . .

The National Socialists , in a way , tried to establish a 'folkish socialism' ( they also looked at the Soviet Union a lot of course knowing what Bolshevism was really about . . .) . . .


Franco , on the other , hand was a traditionalist . .

He negated NWO-democracy , NWO-anarchism and NWO-Communism ( all of which sought to weaken the state . . .) He pretty much wanted to make his country free from the NWO ( thus he advocated a monarchy ; which , of course , doesn't mean that the NWO also mangages to get a grip on monarchs ( here is a whole thread concerning Spain : https://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=550751 ) ) . . .

What they all had in common though is that they were dissidents , aware of the NWO-plot and fought NWO-capitalism as well as NWO-Marxism . .









Oh , and by the way . .







 
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Like many Americans, I was brainwashed with proverbial educational diet saying that Hitler and Mussolini were said to be bad. Especially through our Jewish run media.

But after seeing the so-called ANTIFA group harassed white nationalists in southern Virginia, showing that their bigger evil fascist then the people they were protesting against, it's like the book Animal Farm or 1984 where the language is changed. This is how I thought crimes are created where they never started in the first place.

I think it was Douglas MacArthur who said after the end of World War II when they're dividing up the German Mason to the east and west sides said to someone famously, "we picked the wrong side!" In other words we should have gone after Russia not Germany.

At times I get this feeling that Russia might be the only place that's not corrupted by the international Elite. As far as NOT being as anti-white as the EU or USA . Even though they aren't perfect themselves.

I don't know enough about Mussolini to make a judgement but I need to read his side of the story instead of Jews to see who he was or wasn't. Nevertheless I appreciate the educational thread so far. It's nothing else is going to make me reach my history books because I know that they rewrote history for World War II big time.

The way the international media and governments are run, up is looking down and down is looking up more and more

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Like many Americans, I was brainwashed with proverbial educational diet saying that Hitler and Mussolini were said to be bad. Especially through our Jewish run media.
Yep, the NWO agenda is spread in the West through history books . . . You mention the USA yet you cannot imagine the amount of political correctness in Germany . . .


Hollow-hoax denial for example can get you into jail here . .


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Especially history books are full of political correctness . . .

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But after seeing the so-called ANTIFA group harassed white nationalists in southern Virginia, showing that their bigger evil fascist then the people they were protesting against, it's like the book Animal Farm or 1984 where the language is changed. This is how I thought crimes are created where they never started in the first place.





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I think it was Douglas MacArthur who said after the end of World War II when they're dividing up the German Mason to the east and west sides said to someone famously, "we picked the wrong side!" In other words we should have gone after Russia not Germany.
Churchill said that as well . .





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At times I get this feeling that Russia might be the only place that's not corrupted by the international Elite. As far as NOT being as anti-white as the EU or USA . Even though they aren't perfect themselves.
Putin is a traditionalist . . .


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I don't know enough about Mussolini to make a judgement but I need to read his side of the story instead of Jews to see who he was or wasn't. Nevertheless I appreciate the educational thread so far. It's nothing else is going to make me reach my history books because I know that they rewrote history for World War II big time.

The way the international media and governments are run, up is looking down and down is looking up more and more
All people who oppose the NWO are smeared in the NWO's history books . .

Especially Hitler . . .



Now , the NWO may not openly appear Communist ( yet ) but by subliminal propaganda they make their attempted New World Order "tasty" . . . .


By the way , while searching for this song on YouTube I might reveal that I almost accidently typed in 'Lernin' instead of 'Lennon' . . Now , I wonder why . . ?

The enemies of the NWO are always put down . .No matter in which way
 
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Old August 7th, 2018 #7
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As some of you may know, there was a forum for Fascists worldwide. founded by a Russian person. The Iron March, the site is now inactive.




I used to be a member of that site when the site was still around.
The site itself is gone but you can still view it here;
https://web.archive.org/web/*/www.ironmarch.org
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As some of you may know, there was a forum for Fascists worldwide. founded by a Russian person. The Iron March, the site is now inactive.




I used to be a member of that site when the site was still around.
The site itself is gone but you can still view it here;
https://web.archive.org/web/*/www.ironmarch.org
Dude , what am I doing wrong ?

I try to retrieve the site but it won't work . .

Patrdon my ignorance on this matter but what function do I have to click on ?

Never been a fan of the "wayback"-machine . .
 
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Dude , what am I doing wrong ?

I try to retrieve the site but it won't work . .

Patrdon my ignorance on this matter but what function do I have to click on ?

Never been a fan of the "wayback"-machine . .


Choose a year .



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Choose a year (optional). By default, you'll be taken to the current year. There are black bar graphs that show how many times the page was archived by the Wayback Machine. Below each one is a year. Click on an area above the year to see a 12-month calendar showing each date in that year. https://m.wikihow.com/Use-the-Intern...ayback-Machine
And choose the month and day on the calendar below. (Any of the days with circles)

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Select any of the circles from the calendar for that year. Only the days highlighted with a circle contain an archive.
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Pick a date. Click a date below. Dates in white cannot be accessed as the page wasn't archived on that day.
To access a website at a specific time, hover over on the date and click on a time to see how that website looked exactly as it did in that time.



Then you will be taken to an archived page.

I hope this helps brother.
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Old August 7th, 2018 #10
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Here's a post that I recently wrote about Mussolini:

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A lot of American White Nationalists seem to admire Mussolini, but the sad truth is that Mussolini was anti-white and had a sick love for jews. He was a primitive Italian chauvinist who had much more respect for Italian-speaking jews who were born and raised in Italy than he had for white people from other European countries, and his regime enslaved and murdered large amounts of non-Italian Europeans and imported non-white, semiticized and/or negritized South Italians into white areas that were under Italian Fascist occupation.

Mussolini would eventually enact the so-called "Italian Racial Laws" (Leggi razziali) which excluded jews from public office and higher education, but that was only because Mussolini's alliance with the infinitely more intelligent and honorable Adolf Hitler demanded it, and he only allied himself with Hitler for opportunistic reasons (he thought that Germany was going to win the war and wanted to be on the winning side).

You can read about Mussolini's sick and bizarre love for the jews in the following article from The Jewish Chronicle:


https://www.thejc.com/news/world/whe...manel-1.451099

And from Wikipedia:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Racial_Laws

It is because of this foolish attitude that Italy has so many problems with third-world immigration today.
I'm sorry if this offends VNN members who admire Mussolini, but it's the truth.
 
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I'm aware that Mussolini wasn't as anti-jew as Hitler was, but was willing to give him a pass on that because he allied with the "good guys".

Had Hitler won, Mussolini would have been a loyal puppet. Better a puppet for the good guys (even a seriously flawed one), than a puppet for the jews. Mussolini wasn't a jew puppet, he was Hitler's puppet.

Mussolini, as flawed as he was, is still far preferable to any Italian government that followed. Italy's new government still isn't as good as Mussolini was.
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I'm also aware that Mussolini did some wrong but I give him credit for being the first big dissident on European ground . . . He was one of the first fighters against Bolshervism . . . .









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I might add that the ancient Roman miltary was among the most fierce in the world , topped probably only by the notorious Prussian army . . . .


Mussolini tried to awaken that Roman army spirit again in the Italian militiamen . . .





( sry for posting a vid of brown-skinned Indian singing here ( "German" Xavier Naidoo ) yet I thought the real-film version of "Asterix & Obelix" was one of the best portrayals of the Roman army in newer times . . . .)
 
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I'm aware that Mussolini wasn't as anti-jew as Hitler was, but was willing to give him a pass on that because he allied with the "good guys".

Had Hitler won, Mussolini would have been a loyal puppet. Better a puppet for the good guys (even a seriously flawed one), than a puppet for the jews. Mussolini wasn't a jew puppet, he was Hitler's puppet.

Mussolini, as flawed as he was, is still far preferable to any Italian government that followed. Italy's new government still isn't as good as Mussolini was.
That's a sensible attitude. Good post (as always), Crowe.
 
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I might add , concerning this thread , that the ((official history version)) of fascism in Italy truly is a pain in the ass . . .

https://study.com/academy/lesson/the...n-fascism.html
 
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You guys should read more into Mussolini he took many stands against the jews and was just as racially aware as hitler. His last recorded letter also states how he felt the jews were behind the war sort of his last testament. Mussolini unlike hitler though was working with a different culture and people and had not the same upbringing as Germany did. Mussolini couldn't outright come against all the jews just yet because of various groups and organizations and also the Italian people would not stand for it.

Many jews by then had integrated in with Italian culture and freely moved about within Italian society even some early fascists were jews. Italians also had a long history with them and many considered them fully integrated with Italian values. I mean even today we see a lot of jews want to be Italian or pretend to be Italian, many half Italian half jewish mixes too.

Sadly its very hard to find good Italian translations of things. But if you take a look at the Italian salo republic it was more true to what Mussolini had intended because he could finally break clean of all the nay sayers and other groups he had to placate during his reign over all of Italy. In the salo republic he put some real heavy infamous jew haters into positions of government and he no longer had to play nice with the pope and his working spheres of influence.
 
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You guys should read more into Mussolini he took many stands against the jews and was just as racially aware as hitler. His last recorded letter also states how he felt the jews were behind the war sort of his last testament. Mussolini unlike hitler though was working with a different culture and people and had not the same upbringing as Germany did. Mussolini couldn't outright come against all the jews just yet because of various groups and organizations and also the Italian people would not stand for it.

Many jews by then had integrated in with Italian culture and freely moved about within Italian society even some early fascists were jews. Italians also had a long history with them and many considered them fully integrated with Italian values. I mean even today we see a lot of jews want to be Italian or pretend to be Italian, many half Italian half jewish mixes too.

Sadly its very hard to find good Italian translations of things. But if you take a look at the Italian salo republic it was more true to what Mussolini had intended because he could finally break clean of all the nay sayers and other groups he had to placate during his reign over all of Italy. In the salo republic he put some real heavy infamous jew haters into positions of government and he no longer had to play nice with the pope and his working spheres of
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Antisemitism didn't play the role under Mussolini as it did under the National Socialists . .

The Italians concentrated on two things. .

a ) resurrect their country from what it had to endure . .

b ) give Italy some meaning again . .

They may have defended themselves against Bolshevism yet it was Germany primarily which had vowed vengeance to the eternal jew . .

 
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roberto_Farinacci

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_Preziosi

If you read in the declarations of the Italian social republic it stated jews were to be considered a enemy in all territories encountered by the Italian social forces and that it would include them as enemies in war time or peace time. Mussolini in his last days stated the church foiled his plans tried to have him killed off and worked in tandem with the jews against his state.
 
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