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And the sheep said, we just need to tell the wolves that they can eat grass too.
To expand on Nietzsche's analogy:

Anti-Semites adhere to a slave morality, like lambs competing to be the most lamb-like (anti-wolf); that's why the wolves love them.

Aryans adhere to a master morality, like rams competing to be the most Aryan, never mind the wolves; the wolves give them wide berth and do not even consider them to be prey, because they know if they cause any problems they will be trampled.
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The Nation of Islam provides a good example of a slave morality; its adherents blame everything on the white man: "the white man is the devil" you'll sometimes hear.

This allows them to feel good about themselves, to feel superior. But blacks with this outlook tend to be the lowest of the low. They gather together and air their grievances and tell themselves how superior they are compared to the white devil, but meanwhile they stay weak and impoverished (and this re-enforces their thesis that the white man is oppressing them).

Of course every situation is different, but there is something of the stench of this in Anti-Semitism. It stifles, it is unhealthy, un-Aryan. It makes us weak.

Aryanism breaks us out of this mentality, freeing us to be our true, Aryan selves.
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The Nation of Islam provides a good example of a slave morality; its adherents blame everything on the white man: "the white man is the devil" you'll sometimes hear.

This allows them to feel good about themselves, to feel superior. But blacks with this outlook tend to be the lowest of the low. They gather together and air their grievances and tell themselves how superior they are compared to the white devil, but meanwhile they stay weak and impoverished (and this re-enforces their thesis that the white man is oppressing them).

Of course every situation is different, but there is something of the stench of this in Anti-Semitism. It stifles, it is unhealthy, un-Aryan. It makes us weak.

Aryanism breaks us out of this mentality, freeing us to be our true, Aryan selves.
No.

Whites-for sure in the USA-are taught to recoil in horror if someone casts aspersions on Jews. A supreme evil-as they are the 'chosen' of gawd, as it is taught to most young White kids, by their well meaning, thoroughly brainwashed White parents.

Now, if we were a different animal, say a meerkat-and we knew lions wanted us displaced or dead, would kill us, eat us, and take over the resources we once used.... would it be 'anti lionism' to say 'look out for those goddamned lions!'

No-it's common sense.

Certainly doesn't 'weaken' you, it does the opposite.

I'm not into bloodbaths, either. Hope to see Whites save themselves without that.
But recognizing enemies of your well-being is not anything but 'pro survival'.

It's the enemy you're declaring an enemy that prefers you would shut up, as you are 'anti' letting them kill you.
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The Nation of Islam provides a good example of a slave morality; its adherents blame everything on the white man: "the white man is the devil" you'll sometimes hear.

This allows them to feel good about themselves, to feel superior. But blacks with this outlook tend to be the lowest of the low. They gather together and air their grievances and tell themselves how superior they are compared to the white devil, but meanwhile they stay weak and impoverished (and this re-enforces their thesis that the white man is oppressing them).

Of course every situation is different, but there is something of the stench of this in Anti-Semitism. It stifles, it is unhealthy, un-Aryan. It makes us weak.

Aryanism breaks us out of this mentality, freeing us to be our true, Aryan selves.
You're advocating "pretend we dont have an enemy" aka positivity. The problem is, we do.

So does NOI - black nationalism. Jews worked with the USG to destroy Marcus Garvey, the back to Africa guy. He correctly recognized WEB DuBois as a front for jews.

Jews are the enemy of all nationalism but their own, and they take active steps to scotch it. Just look at Trump. He's not a WN. His kids are married into jews, even a convert. And they still hate him as much as they possibly can. And do all they can to thwart him. You think it would be less for an open white nationalist?
 
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You're advocating "pretend we dont have an enemy" aka positivity. The problem is, we do.
I'm arguing WN and NOI - black nationalism (and all "slave moralities") require an enemy, that's what unites their adherents and keeps the fire burning in their bellies. In the absence of an oppressor there is nothing to hold these movements together, no fires of ressentiment.

Look, Aryans have had a fire in our bellies long before we encountered Jews, and we will long after Jews are no longer an issue. Our fire is not the fire of ressentiment, but the fire of our racial soul.

I believe our race will excel and explore and conquer like we did in the past, I believe our fire will blaze for all eternity; but we need clear thinking, clear vision, we need to be brutally honest with ourselves about what is holding us back, we can't afford to cling to emotional crutches that obscure who we really are as a race.
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WN is simply white racial defense. It aint going to solve your soul problems. That's a private matter.
One cannot separate soul from race; one isn't going to fight for one's race unless one's very soul is on the line.

No, our race must be our religion or there will be no race; our history, our values, our heritage, what makes us Aryan, will be lost.
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Now, if we were a different animal, say a meerkat-and we knew lions wanted us displaced or dead, would kill us, eat us, and take over the resources we once used.... would it be 'anti lionism' to say 'look out for those goddamned lions!'

No-it's common sense.
I agree it isn't 'anti-lionism', it's just common sense, so I would wonder about a meerkat who would insist on labeling herself an 'anti-lionist', like I would wonder about an Aryan who would insist on labeling herself an anti-semite.

Also there's one glaring flaw in this analogy: Aryans are the lions.
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I agree it isn't 'anti-lionism', it's just common sense, so I would wonder about a meerkat who would insist on labeling herself an 'anti-lionist', like I would wonder about an Aryan who would insist on labeling herself an anti-semite.
90% of the time it's jews using this admitted scam to label us. and the catholic e. michael jones uses the term, claims it means racial opposition to the jews, instead of his cult's theological opposition. then we have WN who use the term freely, which is a position i disagree with. kevin macdonald does this, for one.

the term should never be used to describe oneself. even pro-white is wrong, best just to say White with capital W.

as Sobran said, you can use counter-semitic. that's a very clever way, and objectively neutral. i myself prefer anti-jew. that's fair and accurate to describe certain positions.

for me, the white cause has nothing to do with any soul that might or might not exist, it's simply a perference for the LCD that my race alone can create - in relation to my own preferences. and i think the preferences of the vast majority of whites - over 90%.
 
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for me, the white cause has nothing to do with any soul that might or might not exist, it's simply a preference for the LCD that my race alone can create - in relation to my own preferences. and i think the preferences of the vast majority of whites - over 90%.
When I say 'soul', I mean your values, what is beautiful or noble or true, what gets you up in the morning, what makes you sacrifice and fight for the white cause. Whatever it is, whether it be "a preference for the LCD(?) that my race alone can create", or a belief that Jews pose an existential threat to Whites, it is inseparable from the white cause, from WN.

I try to explain my take on it, what I call our racial soul, in the Aryanism thread, but I realize we have different views. Hey Alex, I appreciate that you are allowing me to have my say on your forum, this is really the only place where I think about this kind of stuff since I can't really talk about it outside the context of racialism, and I've been banned from other WN forums.
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I agree it isn't 'anti-lionism', it's just common sense, so I would wonder about a meerkat who would insist on labeling herself an 'anti-lionist', like I would wonder about an Aryan who would insist on labeling herself an anti-semite.

Also there's one glaring flaw in this analogy: Aryans are the lions.
Alex already answered same in one respect as I would-the Jews coined that phrase, not the Whites.

I've never referred to myself as such.

As for the supposed flaw of the analogy-your comment is kind of telling.

Lions are the 'King of the Jungle'--as in Whites.

Jews are poor little 'meerkats'.

But that's not true-my analogy is more correct, imo. At least in terms of who is in control of the World Bank, US media and 'edjumacation system' EU, UN, etc. Making them, for now, dominant "lions".

Not lions in ability to create amazing things or be enlightened. That's the Whites. What the Jews are is clever and clannish. That's why the power flip.
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When I say 'soul', I mean your values, what is beautiful or noble or true, what gets you up in the morning, what makes you sacrifice and fight for the white cause. Whatever it is, whether it be "a preference for the LCD(?) that my race alone can create", or a belief that Jews pose an existential threat to Whites, it is inseparable from the white cause, from WN.

I try to explain my take on it, what I call our racial soul, in the Aryanism thread, but I realize we have different views. Hey Alex, I appreciate that you are allowing me to have my say on your forum, this is really the only place where I think about this kind of stuff since I can't really talk about it outside the context of racialism, and I've been banned from other WN forums.
Just a personal take on soul, not the rest:

'Soul' used in the way you are using it means you are 'adopting' a word and giving it an alternate meaning.

You could just as easily call it our 'biological future'--those words have actual meaning.

Soul comes from the root word 'anime' or 'to animate'. It's a throwback to ig'nant times when people didn't know it was their brain that 'animates' them..gives them consciousness.
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But that's not true-my analogy is more correct, imo. At least in terms of who is in control of the World Bank, US media and 'edjumacation system' EU, UN, etc. Making them, for now, dominant "lions".

Not lions in ability to create amazing things or be enlightened. That's the Whites. What the Jews are is clever and clannish. That's why the power flip.
Jews are on top right now because they have been following/advancing their 'racial soul' practically from the get-go of Judaism. Jews are a people chosen by God whose mission is to try and do God's will, and they actively question and evolve the teachings of their ancestors; they are encouraged to wrestle with God.

This means those with the quickest and sharpest brains and analytical and verbal skills rose to the top to become rabbis and pillars of the community. Anyone born of David's line could be a potential Messiah.

Unlike Christianity, where the most superstitious and self-righteous and unquestioning brown-nosers rose to the top of the Christian hierarchy and tried to quash any free thought or dissent, by violence if necessary. It was a reign of terror that ushered in the Dark Ages, rule by those whose brains were most enslaved by the slave religion.

It's only relatively recently that free-thinkers were able to break out of the confines of this death cult, although the trappings of Christianity still remain embedded in the psyches of our peoples in the form of globalism/humanism.

The contrast between Judaism and Christianity is so stark because Jews knew they were chosen by God to follow and advance his designs, they were confident they could do it if they set their hearts and minds to it because they were born to do it. It was part and parcel of their ancestry and history. They were at home with it. Their race was their religion.

Whereas Christianity is a poor-man's Judaism that removes the racial element and asserts we're all potential 'Jews' if we believe in Christ, we're all chosen, which is another way of saying none of us is chosen. Instead of being born into it, instead of it being embedded in our DNA and history as a people, all we have is the Bible.

And so we were forced to believe in this alien work and this alien figure of Christ on pain of death. Belief was the number one priority*, never mind questioning or wrestling with the material. Because it wasn't our birthright to wrestle with God. It was only our birthright to submit to Jesus.

That made us self-hating and mistrustful and cowardly, and the lowest of the low in our societies exploited this to work their way up the ranks. And it cast a pall on our peoples, rewarding the unworthy by allowing them to stifle and kill the worthy. Hence our present predicament.

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* In Christianity you belonged because you believed, whereas in Judaism you believed because you belonged.
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Jews are on top right now because they have been following/advancing their 'racial soul' practically from the get-go of Judaism. Jews are a people chosen by God whose mission is to try and do God's will, and they actively question and evolve the teachings of their ancestors; they are encouraged to wrestle with God.

This means those with the quickest and sharpest brains and analytical and verbal skills rose to the top to become rabbis and pillars of the community. Anyone born of David's line could be a potential Messiah.
Anyone who went to a Fundie Nuthouse Xtian Academy like I did as a kid heard this swill ad nauseum.

If you read Deborah Feldman's book 'UnOrthodox', where she describes leaving a Hassidic community in Williamsburg, you'll see that the 'sharpest brain' thing is not correct. That is not who rises to the top in their uber religious community.

The 'wrestle with god' thing is said to be what 'Israel' means. Jews love to say this because it makes them look like they have some kind of say in what their overbearing domestically violent god does to them--but if you look at their Torah/Talmud/Tannach, that is not so.

There is no 'wrestling', because god is all powerful, kills at will, and decides what you are to do and how to do it, right down to eating.

It's bs. The only kind of person who would say such things as if they are fact is a sympathizer of the way Jews think and live. A Zionist goy or a Jewish person would have this thinking, but few others.

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Unlike Christianity, where the most superstitious and unquestioning and self-righteous rose to the top of the Christian hierarchy and tried to quash any free thought or dissent, by violence if necessary. It was a reign of terror that ushered in the Dark Ages, rule by those whose brains were most enslaved by the slave religion.
Did you miss that thing about the Maccabees? Channukah?

It's where the Jews who were wanting to advance OUT OF THE DARK AGES toward being somewhat like the Greeks were all murdered by the Jews who wanted to keep the superstition going.

Talk about violence. All of them, dead.

And the word 'Holocaust' derives from the Jews killing their own babies to a god called Moloch. A 'burnt offering'. They banged drums to drown out their screams.
The new Monolithic god was supposed to be a big improvement from their pagan days--but then they still had blood libel. They deny it today, but their texts are full of it.

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It's only relatively recently that free-thinkers were able to break out of the confines of this death cult, although the trappings of Christianity still remain embedded in the psyches of our peoples in the form of globalism/humanism.

The contrast between Judaism and Christianity is so stark because Jews knew they were chosen by God to follow and advance his designs, they were confident they could do it if they set their hearts and minds to it because they were born to do it. It was part and parcel of their ancestry and history. They were at home with it. Their race was their religion.
That is religio-babble. Spoken as if you agree with the sentiment.

God is not real, and he chose nobody to set their mind to do his bidding. If he's Omniscient, he could do it himself.
As for 'hearts', they pump blood to the brain, and are not 'set' to do god's bidding, either.
This is part of that 'religion gives people goals and makes them better people' crap.
If that was true the Channukah murderfest would not have occured.

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Whereas Christianity is a sort of poor-man's Judaism that removes the racial element and asserts we're all 'Jews', we're all chosen, which is another way of saying none of us is chosen. Instead of being born into it, instead of it being embedded in our DNA and history as a people, all we have to go on is the Bible.
Race being a religion can be a choice, and the correct thing you are saying is that Jews made such a choice and have benefitted from it. There's an element of truth there.

But you do not understand the origins of Christianity.

Jesus was 'Euhemerized'. If you apply Bayes Theorem to his whole life story, all we have of it, he did not exist.
Jesus is like Ned Ludd. People started a whole movement about Ned Ludd and the man did not exist. It happens often. The Jesus thing is simply a sect of Jews who went off the grid and started a cult. Over time this mythological figure was born.

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And so we were forced to believe in this alien work and this alien figure of Christ on pain of death. Belief was the number one priority, never mind understanding or wrestling with the material.
There is only a false 'struggle'--reading Torah all day as the Orthodox Jews do is in no way true learning, or true 'struggling'.

Tell the Jews in Williamsburg you don't want those 'Payos' (curled locks of hair) on your son and see how free you are to 'struggle'.

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Because it wasn't our birthright to wrestle with God. It was only our birthright to submit to Jesus.

That made us self-hating and mistrustful and cowardly, and the lowest of the low in our societies exploited this to work their way up the ranks. And it cast its pall on our peoples, rewarding the unworthy by allowing them to stifle and kill the worthy. Hence our present predicament.
Religion makes all people self-hating, mistrustful, and cowardly--both religions do, actually.
Jews would never stand up to their Jew community and tell them 'it's all bullshit' unless they want to face some consequences.

One group of people have more power than the other. That can be orchestrated. But their populace are just as shackled by their retarded backward religion as ours. Same as Islam--if you don't write PBUH you will maybe fall into a hole and die or something. It's all a throwback to a mental glitch, left over from primitive days, a la evolution.

Here's a vid about that:


In a nutshell (a very long winded nutshell), what I'm saying is that their religion did not make them great. Their 'mission from god' did not give them the 'drive' to be powerful/dominant.

Their sneakiness and cohesion did.

Their religion is not only not good even for them, it's good for nobody and should never be imitated or admired.

You are too admiring of it.
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In a nutshell (a very long winded nutshell), what I'm saying is that their religion did not make them great. Their 'mission from god' did not give them the 'drive' to be powerful/dominant.

Their sneakiness and cohesion did.

Their religion is not only not good even for them, it's good for nobody and should never be imitated or admired.

You are too admiring of it.
Judaism is what kept Jews alive as a people, kept their 'racial soul' alive, for thousands of years. I'm not a Jew and I wouldn't want to be one, but there's no denying that Jewish racialism, aka Judaism, is what made the Jewish people who they are today, strengths and flaws.

Our race, on the other hand, has Aryan racialism, aka Aryanism.
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Judaism is what kept Jews alive as a people, kept their 'racial soul' alive, for thousands of years. I'm not a Jew and I wouldn't want to be one, but there's no denying that Jewish racialism, aka Judaism, is what made the Jewish people who they are today, strengths and flaws.

Our race, on the other hand, has Aryan racialism, aka Aryanism.
This is your link:

Quoting George:
"..When it comes to his "religious" views, an Aryan confidently believes he has much understanding, but also believes there is much he doesn't understand.

This "understanding and not understanding" is the one axiom or leap of faith in Aryanism. (Note: To better "understand and not understand" the axiom, it can be used on itself, "recursively" so to speak.)'.."


Or, another way to put it:

Attachment 9901

Or this guy-friend of Tim Leary:
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These are master 'crazymakers'.

I prefer this Turkish proverb:

"No matter how far you've gone down the wrong road, turn around."
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Or, another way to put it:

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Or this guy-friend of Tim Leary:
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These are master 'crazymakers'.
Haha at least they aren't Jews! I think...

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Not knowing everything, as there is a lot to learn=a given.

But where it goes wrong is when you claim one should believe things because they 'cannot be sure of anything'. That's nuts. That's how you get people doing all kinds of things that their basic nature tells them not to do. Because it's 'arrogant' to think you know something is for sure a certain way.

Well-it's not wrong to be arrogant in that way, it's good. There are some things that should be rejected prima facie. Other things should be investigated, and not accepted as facts until there's a reason to do so.

There is no soul and there is no god. IMO, I DO understand.
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Haha at least they aren't Jews! I think...
Nobody knows who Manson's Daddy is.

Robert Anton Wilson studied Psychology from a bunch of Jews. Had no trouble getting his gobbledygook books publish. He sounded just like you on Jews-they run everything because they are so wonderful:

http://www.mavericksofthemind.com/raw-int.htm

http://www.rawillumination.net/2011/...oing-this.html

Some interesting excerpts of RAW's 'mystic agnostic' shit:

".. As European civilization conquered and exploited the Third World, ideas from these places came drifting back to Europe. Diderot, Voltaire, Rousseau, the whole enlightenment was influenced by the ideas of these "primitives" having a more natural and happier way of life than we do. Democracy, socialism, anarchism, and all the radical ideas of the last two hundred years were inspired by studying stone-age cultures from the first proto-anthropologica1 reports.

I've been an advocate for a partnership society for years, before Eisler used that term. The term I used was "voluntary association" which comes out of the American Anarchist tradition. This was a school of philosophical anarchists in New England in the nineteenth century who are very little known. I got fascinated by them in the sixties and read most of their books. The idea of voluntary association migrated to Europe and became syndicalism, only the syndicalists added to it the idea of overthrowing the existing system by violence, so the whole idea developed a bad reputation. I think the basic idea of voluntary association, or partnership, is the one towards which we should aspire. It's the most human, just, fair, decent and intelligent form of society.."

That is straight up Cultural Marxism. Disguised as Libertarian 'live and let live.'

Because if you believe in free association, you don't force 'partnership' societies on the populace as a whole.

And then he sounds a lot like you here, George:

"..I'm a mystical agnostic, or an agnostic mystic. That phrase was coined by Olaf Stapledon, my favorite science fiction writer. When I first read it, it didn't mean anything to me, but over the years I've gradually realized that "agnostic mystic" describes me better than any words I have found any where else.

DJB: How about "transcendental agnostic"?

ROBERT: Yeah. The word agnostic has gained the association of somebody who's just denying, but what I mean is something more like the ancient Greek concept of the zetetic. I find the universe so staggering that I just don't have any faith in my ability to grasp it. I don't think the human stomach can eat everything, and I'm not quite sure my mind can understand everything, so I don't pretend that it can.."

So we 'understand but don't understand', therefore, why bother learning anything? It's all a big befuddling mess. No sense makes sense.
We need to make the primitives our equals and stop being so gosh danged arrogant. Cuz "only a madman really knows for sure."
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[just going to put in here leftist attempts to understand, dick spencer stuff, whatever else seems appropriate. for me, White Nationalism is it. alt-right is hazy. pro-white & anti-jew or GTFO]

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer...far-right.html

1. To understand this new right, it helps to see it not as a fringe movement, but a powerful counterculture.
 
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