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Old January 24th, 2007 #21
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So, we have a man who is trying to recruit young girls to do porno movies. He then gives them a name and telephone number? Is it possible for someone to be that stupid? Surely if he had any gray matter at all he would have thought about the possibility of the girls presenting the information to parents and police. Just seems weird.
Not at all Pedo's are weird.
 
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Once again, I am vindicated for starting this thread:
http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=43705

Anyone with good sense will stay the hell away from SF. I never sent SF a pile of money, but I regret even a penny of it. And, considering I actually have to work for my money pretty hard, that makes it worse. Do any of these SF bigwigs have actual jobs or do they just live off of the movement?


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Chain , why would you quote Overthrowup ?
You know that Bill Anti-white is the least reliable source possible .

Typically , you do such good research .
 
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I'm sure Ed, Bill White would be very happy to supply you with copies of what he has.
I'm trying to get up to speed on this whole thing. I like VNN & SF (usually), but this is a very serious accusation. This looks to be a conference of great importance, with some excellent speakers.

But among the recent Fuck Joe Fields, Stormfront, Don Black, Duke, Strom, etc... there is anything but trying to make things work by other whites.

Aside from Bill White, or Tom Metzger.. is there a case file, or actual news article regarding Joe Fields? Something concrete, and proof that such a thing happened?
 
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I'm trying to get up to speed on this whole thing. I like VNN & SF (usually), but this is a very serious accusation. This looks to be a conference of great importance, with some excellent speakers.

But among the recent Fuck Joe Fields, Stormfront, Don Black, Duke, Strom, etc... there is anything but trying to make things work by other whites.

Aside from Bill White, or Tom Metzger.. is there a case file, or actual news article regarding Joe Fields? Something concrete, and proof that such a thing happened?
FS88 you need to read the whole thread

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Stormfront Leader Solicited At Least Nine Girls As Young as Nine In 1996

Update And Correction On Joe Fields

1/23/2007 6:15:02 PM
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Torrance, California -- Stormfront activist and close associate of Don Black, David Duke, Jamie Kelso and Willis Carto Joe Fields offered at least nine young girls as young as nine $1000 each to appear in pornographic movies and had at least five other child porn films seized from his home in 1996, Overthrow.com has learned today.
This information partially confirms and partially corrects an earlier story this website ran on fields.

According to a copy of Fields' court and prison records, which was forward to Overthrow today along with several news articles on Field's arrest and a copy of a letter Field sent to supporters claiming he was framed for the crime by Tom Metzger, Ernst Zundel and the ADL, Fields served a year in prison after being convicted on a plea of no contest to five counts of offering girls nine to sixteen years old $1000 each to appear in pornographic films with him.

The full test of the Torrance, California Daily Breeze article on the case from March 30, 1996, follows:

FORMER CANDIDATE DENIES CHILD ANNOYANCE CHARGES

By Ian Gregor, Staff Writer
Torrance California Daily Breeze 30 March 1996

Two time ultra-right political candidate Joe Fields has been charged with trying to persuade underage girls to appear in a pornographic movie, Torrance police said.

Fields was taken into custody Thursday morning at his home on West 260th Street in Harbor City, said Torrance police sergeant [obscured] La Londe. An arrest warrant charged Fields with nine misdemeanor counts of child annoyance.

His arrest follows complaints in February from nine Torrance and Lomita girls, ages 12 to 16 [Bill: note that a later article amended the ages to "9 to 13"], that a man had approached them as they walked home from school and, in some cases, offered them money to appear in a pornographic movie, according to a search warrant police obtained March 11 for Fields' home and car.

Police executed the warrant earlier this month, seizing five pornographic videotapes, according to court records.

Fields posted $15,000 bail and was released from custody Thursday afternoon, La Londe said.

Each count of misdemeanor child annoyance carries a maximum penalty of a $1000 fine and a year in jail.

Officials from the Police Department and City Attorney's office did not know whether arraignment had been scheduled.

Fields, 32, gained local attention in the 1980s with his public espousal of anti-Semitic and racist views before his unsuccessfull runs for state Assembly in 1992 and Congress in 1994. He vehemently denied the child annoyance charges during a brief interview at his home.

"All charges are false," Fields said [though he later pleaded no contest to them], "I completely deny them. I think its being fabricated to destroy me because of my political views."

[Bill: Note that nine unreleated girls picked out Fields as having solicited them. That's not exactly unpersuasive on its face.]

Fields says he believes he is being set up by the Anti-Defamation League, a Jewish organization dedicated to fighting prejudice. He did not elaborate on his theory, saying he had not yet spoken with his attorney.

Court documents filed by police to support their search warrant detailed the following events leading to Fields' arrest.

The alleged incidents occurred from Feb 5 to Feb 14, mostly in the Arlington Avenue / Carson Street area near Torrance High School. Five of the girls attend Torrance High School, thre attend JH Hull Middle School, and one goes to a vocational school.

Interview separately, the girls said they were walking home when they were approached by a man in an older model white car.

The man, who was unshaven with a mustache and dirty short hair, asked the girls if they wanted to be in a pornographic movie that was being filmed in Long Beach that evening. Three of the girls said the man offered them $1,000 to be in the movie. Six reported that he gave them a piece of paper with a name and telephone number and said to call the number if they were interested.

The car was dirty inside and littered with food wrappers, clothing, pornographic movies, and graphic porn magazines, several girls said. Some of the girls walked a way. One threw a Coke at the suspect. None called the number.

When Torrance police ran a DMV check on the car based on a license plate number several girls provided, they found it registered to Fields. All of the girl identified Fields when show his drivers licesne photo along with those of five other men of similar appearance.

The father of one girl, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said he was relived to hear an arrest had been made and was upset with his daughter for even speaking with the man.

Fields was never more than a [obscured] on the local political scene.

He ran as a member of the far right American Independence Party for the 36th Congressional District in 1994 and the 54th Assembly District in 1992. He finished with a tiny fraction of the vote each time.

During the elections, Fields campaigned as a nationalist in favor of immigration control and trade restrictions.

'Vicious Nazi'

But he had a long history of hate-laced statements and actions. An official with the Jewish Defense League [a terrorist organization] described him in 1992 as a "vicious Nazi".

In a tape recorded 1986 conversation with former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke in a Culver City hotel room, Fields, then 22, said: "Sure, I love the Klan. I love the Nazi Party better, though. There's something about the swastika and the brown shit. I just like it better."

In October 1985, Fields and three other men were evicted from a Torrance Boulevard restaurant for wearing swastikas on their lapels, exchanging "Sieg Heil" salutes and allegedly vandalizing a restroom with anti-Semitic graffitti.

In December 1984, the Harbor Hawk, Harbor College's student newspaper, was censured by community college trustees after it published a series of opinion peices by then student Fields in which he claimed that an institute had uncovered "convincing evidence that the 'Holocaust' was a giant fraud."

Fields was fired from the paper three months later after he and Tom Metzger, the reputed head of the white supremacist group White Aryan Resistance, distributed pamphlets claiming the Holocaust is a myth. Here
 
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People are reporting that White Dragon is a child molester! He reportedly hangs out with other child molesters and molests children!

Some people here make me SICK. Alex Linder, you let this crap go on because you enjoy it. You know it's not true. That's despicable.

Only on VNN do these types have free reign to distract and poison WN. It's sickening.
Joefields1488 is still an active poster as of today - that tells you something about Stormfront.
 
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It tells me you're a worthless piece of shit. Was that the message you intended me to get from it, you worthless piece of shit garbage?
We are touchy aren't we. Anybody who defends pedo's is the true "piece of shit garbage". Again I forgot to mention Strom is also still an active member of Stormfront as of today.

Again it truly tells you something.

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Stormfront activist and close associate of Don Black, David Duke, Jamie Kelso and Willis Carto Joe Fields offered at least nine young girls as young as nine $1000 each to appear in pornographic movies and had at least five other child porn films seized from his home in 1996, Overthrow.com has learned today.
This information partially confirms and partially corrects an earlier story this website ran on fields.

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Don Black is still an active member of Stormfront.

This truly tells you something.
 
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Sandor, I'm with you on this and, FYI, I repost this:

The Real Stormfront Leadership - What The Right Wing Doesn't Tell You

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Commentary -- [Bill: I wanted to flesh out Don Black and David Duke's listing on WN Wiki, but the site has apparently gone down, so I'm going to list out some facts here, so everyone can understand exactly what Stormfront is about. Stormfront is essentially a fraud. More than 2/3rds of its "members" are inactive; of the rest, a good portion are just fake, or multiple accounts for the same person, or people who really don't like Stormfront but go there to try to refute the endless BS they pour out into the world. Here are some facts about Stormfront's leadership that you should know, if you don't already. Read on:]
David Duke

Began stealing and selling white nationalist mailing lists to make money on the side in 1970, when he instructed Don Black to infiltrate the gubernatorial campaign of JB Stoner and steal that list.

Stole the National Youth Alliance mailing list from William Pierce in 1972. False claimed to have authored Pierce's "Who Runs The Media?" pamphlet.

Stole $500 from the Wallace for President campaign in 1972. Was arrested, but charges were later dropped.

Jack Gregory, former Florida leader for Duke's Klan, accused him of stealing Klan money in 1979. There is no question he used Klan money to run for office in 1975, but Gregory's accusations go further:

"Our members were pouring in money to the organization, and we never saw any of it. When I asked Duke where our money was going, I was thrown out of the Klan, he tells everyone he doesn't make anything from the Klan ư that he's doing it for the cause. But that's the biggest lie there is."

Duke used Klan money to purchase a home in Metarie, Lousiana, and refurbish it, according to Jerry Dutton, another Duke Klan official.

In 1979, Duke and Don Black attempted to sell the Klan's secret mailing list to Bill Wilkinson, member of a rival Klan group. They were caught on videotape doing this by reporters.

That year, Duke claimed the phrase "Hollywood Nazi" in a speech he gave dissolving the Klan and forming the NAAWP.

Duke then embezzled money from the NAAWP by hiring his own consulting firm, BC&E, for "mailing list maintenance", paying it $119,625, plus another $19,900 that came out of his 1979 Presidential campaign to the company to rent office space in Duke's home.

In 1987, Duke embezzled $8,000 from a defense fund set up to defend 62 Duke supporters arrested in an incident in Forsyth County, Ga.

In 1989, Duke was fined $1,111 for raising money in violation of Lousiana election laws. He raised $2.4 million for his gubernatorial campaign.

In 1995, Duke sold his mailing lists to Republican Mike Foster for $152,000. Foster was fined $20,000 for taking a bribe from Duke to eliminate state affirmative action programs.

In 1999, Duke admitted to having lost at least $50,000 of supporter's money gambling on Mississippi riverboats.

Duke was eventually convicted of stealing more than $230,000 from his supporters during the period 1993 to 1999, by taking money they had pledged to various political groups and projects, and embezzling it -- either by gambling it away on riverboats, or by giving it directly to his various girlfriends. Some say he actually used the money to pay various strippers and escorts to "date" him.

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Duke is not a natural blonde. He dies his hair. He has also had his nose reduced in size to make it appear "less Jewish" (his words), and had his chin lifted and bags and wrinkles removed from his features.

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Published a sex manual for women in 1976, telling women how to give oral and anal sex -- something unusual for a man to know how to do.

Tom Metzger's break with Duke started in 1977, at which time Duke was already famous for womanizing:

"We used to tell people, 'When Duke comes to town make sure your wife is safely locked up and don't let him near your daughters,'"

According to a Duke legislative aide:

One legislative aide told John Maginnis, author of the Duke profile Cross to Bear, how she learned of Duke's amatory preferences during a bizarre date in Baton Rouge. The two were having lunch, she said, "when he started explaining to me that blond, blue-eyed Scandinavian-looking people were God's chosen people, that they were made in his image. He said that God didn't want to dilute this perfection, so we should only mate with others of our kind. He then asked me if I wanted to mate with him. It was the weirdest come-on line I've ever heard."

"There was David Duke," the man told Maginnis. "But he looked like Edwin [Edwards, the corrupt Louisiana governor who would later go to prison]. He had a babe on each arm and he was shooting craps and betting pretty heavy."

In 1999, Duke urged his stripper-model girlfriend to have an abortion.

And this story goes on ... I'm getting tapped on the shoulder here and asked to go somewhere else, so we'll leave it at that.

As to Don Black, look at the Dominica scheme, and his later scheme to invade Nicaragua very closely, as well as his history of being a well paid bagman for Duke.

And in terms of the financing, you need to look closely at Willis Carto, Carto's financial problems, and Carto's history of dirty monetary dealing, and his thirty year friendship and scheming with David Duke.

Throw in Strom, a bi-sexual (despite his denials), and someone who is just pathetic and desperate for money, people like Jamie Kelso, who are also more interested in the money, and look at how even longtime Stormfront moderators -- like Muaddib -- who banned me -- have been treated by this clique, and then you'll get a clue.

Stormfront is phony stage-managed white nationalism for David Duke and cronies; it exists to sustain Duke's life-long love affair with vice; and it is as stage managed by direct bribes from the Republican Party to Duke and Black as it is by any other consideration.

Stormfront is where white nationalists go to be led by the nose. Don't go there."
 
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If this is true, then I not only will very publicly disavow this conference, but I also will lead the charge to have it called off altogether.

This is not a commitment I make lightly, by the way. I am on record as calling for the legal execution of those found guilty of a single incident of child sexual abuse.

However, I need some sort of significant proof. I saw no evidence, even, of where this charge had been posted, so I couldn't follow it up.

Help me out here, folks. Show me that you can put up, too. Give me some proof of this allegation.

I don't care if it happened 26 years ago.

I don't care if the guy was underage.

If he was shown to be guilty of even a single count of child abuse - and I mean real child abuse like beatings or sexual molestation, not the bullshit that gets flung at so many of us in the name of stealing our children these days - then he is the lowest of lowlife to me and I will have nothing to do with his conference.

However, in fairness, if there is no proof and this is but a bare allegation by somebody anonymous, then, already, I will owe the guy an apology for having said just what I have said in this single post.

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Published a sex manual for women in 1976, telling women how to give oral and anal sex -- something unusual for a man to know how to do.
I once got a newsletter from Covington claiming that prison officials had Duke on tape sucking nigger cock.
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I once got a newsletter from Covington claiming that prison officials had Duke on tape sucking nigger cock.
If that was true it'd be all over the web. We need to stick to the facts, as the truth will set us free from these sick fucks.

I just checked Stormfront - JoeFields14/88 is still not banned from the forum, neither is Kevin Strom.
 
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If that was true it'd be all over the web. We need to stick to the facts, as the truth will set us free from these sick fucks.

I just checked Stormfront - JoeFields14/88 is still not banned from the forum, neither is Kevin Strom.
Wouldn't the right decision be to ban someone after they have been found guilty ? Strom has not been found guilty of anything. There is a divorce case in the middle of this, and of course ZOG wouldn't be stirring the pot, would they?

Wouldn't you like us to stick by you if you were charged with an offence ?

Is not someone innocent until proven guilty ? Is this not the way of the white man ?
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Rarely do I speak out against individuals who support our cause and then, always, it has been in self defense after first having been maligned by them. Today, I must break that rule and add my voice to those in condemnation of Joe Fields and his scheduled March conference.

FIRST, Joe Fields is a self-confessed child molester.

In 1996, Fields pled "nolo contendre" to four counts of violating California's Penal Code Section 647.6, in exchange for the prosecution dropping another five counts under the same statute.

Pleading [nolo[/I] to a charge (literally, "no contest," or "you got me dead to rights and I ain't got no defense") is a fiction created by the courts to allow guys like Fields to claim, somehow, that they didn't really plead guilty. Courts do this because it saves time by getting cases closed that, otherwise, would have to be tried in order to obtain the inevitable guilty verdict. People pleading "nolo" get marked down as "guilty" and are sentenced accordingly.

The most recent extended descriptions by Bill White, posted at his site, Overthrow.com, and in this thread are accurate in all respects, so I will not recount the details. The statute, which makes it illegal to "molest or annoy any child under the age of 18," is not used lightly or frivolously. Not in LA, where the cops and the DAs have far more real work to do than they can handle. The next step up from this charge requires actual sexual intercourse with children.

Both Bill White and Tom Metzger provided me partial copies of Fields' court file, at my request and without much of any comment. I saw the rest for myself in the LA County records. The file speaks for itself. Joe pled, did some hard time and then served extended probation.

SECOND, Joe Fields is a liar.

When the allegations first were brought to my attention via postings to VNN, I called Fields and spoke to him. Fields absolutely swore to me that, while he "mistakenly" had been charged with six counts under the statute above, eventually all those charges were dropped and he was not convicted, nor did he pay any penalties. At the time, it seemed unlikely to me that he would so baldly lie to me about something so easily verified. I was wrong. As the court file was to show, He lied to me.

Fields also wrote an extended letter to the WN community at the time which attempted to explain away the charges and his admissions thereto. He lied extensively in it about the charges, the meaning of his pleas, his lawyer and about appealing the result. Fields tried to blame copping the pleas on his lawyer's pressure and lying, then made some truly remarkable claims about the lawyer, to boot.

I found no evidence of Fields appealing squat. He lied about that.

Quite recently, I spoke at length with Fields' lawyer at the time, Encino lawyer David Currie. Though Currie was unable to discuss much about the case, due to attorney-client privilege, California Attorney Disciplinary rules do allow an attorney to speak out enough to rebut charges made by an ex-client. Currie unequivocally called Fields' written charges (he never even had heard about Fields' letter prior to my call) "absolutely false." I believe him. Fields lied about his lawyer.

Fields issued his conference announcement stating that I would be present before I confirmed that I would attend. Despite that, I did confirm, because of the others who already (according to Fields) had confirmed. I have spoken to a couple of them. At least some of them did NOT confirm. "He shouldn't be saying that about me, since I don't even intend to be there, let alone speak," said one to me. Fields lied about that.

I invited Fields to respond to some of the above material. He declined to do so...apparently more "nolo contendre." Silence in the face of accusation is acquiescence.

Yes, one should be presumed innocent until proven guilty. Once the primary evidence of guilt is produced, however, the presumption then shifts to the accused. At that point, silence is an admission (save only in a formal court of law, though juries pretty much see things that way, too).

There is more, but that is more than enough for me. I will NOT be attending Fields' conference. I encourage you not to attend. If the listed speakers who have not yet returned my calls or answered my emails will do either, I personally will attempt to dissuade them from attending, either.

Some may think my attitude about this matter to be too harsh. To those, I say: You have a problem, not I, and perhaps you should seek treatment for it.

Admittedly, child molestation is something of a "third rail" for me, since I believe that child molesters should receive the death penalty for a first offense. Solicitation of children for sexual purposes, which is all to which Fields pled guilty, is enough for me to want to see someone locked up for a long time. Had I been the judge, Fields would not have gotten off so lightly, despite no apparent evidence of his having actually touched any of the children who identified him.

Should someone actually touch my child, I hope the authorities never hear about it .... do the math.

Lying is another matter, albeit lesser. Honesty and forthrightness are key with me in life. When someone lies repeatedly, I thereafter refuse to believe anything he has to say. Henceforth, just as will I, you are entitled to disregard anything Joe Fields has to say about anything.

We do not need this sort of role model in the WN movement. Just now, Kevin Strom's lengthening silence makes clear that he, too, is some sort of pervert. Terrific. Just terrific.

It is our responsibility to clean up our own act and condemn those among us who break the law, particularly when violations so thoroughly trash the fundamental principles upon which we stand.

Make no mistake: Joe Fields was not a political prisoner. Obviously, neither is Kevin Strom. These men do not deserve our support. They have not earned our indulgence for this sort of thing. If we do not step up and condemn their actions, then we are hypocrites and worse.

I am not the first to cast a stone in the direction of either Fields or Strom, but now I do just that. What you do is between your conscience and yourself, but I will not sit silently while men such as these posture and presume to speak for us.

Because of the extensive censorship that exists over at Stormfront, particularly concerning Strom, I will not be posting this there myself, but I encourage those of you who think it might survive to do so.

If anybody knows of Fields' conference having been advertised elsewhere, please let me know so that I might set the record straight there, as well.

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Rarely do I speak out against individuals who support our cause and then, always, it has been in self defense after first having been maligned by them. Today, I must break that rule and add my voice to those in condemnation of Joe Fields and his scheduled March conference.

FIRST, Joe Fields is a self-confessed child molester.

In 1996, Fields pled "nolo contendre" to four counts of violating California's Penal Code Section 647.6, in exchange for the prosecution dropping another five counts under the same statute.

Pleading [nolo[/I] to a charge (literally, "no contest," or "you got me dead to rights and I ain't got no defense") is a fiction created by the courts to allow guys like Fields to claim, somehow, that they didn't really plead guilty. Courts do this because it saves time by getting cases closed that, otherwise, would have to be tried in order to obtain the inevitable guilty verdict. People pleading "nolo" get marked down as "guilty" and are sentenced accordingly.

The most recent extended descriptions by Bill White, posted at his site, Overthrow.com, and in this thread are accurate in all respects, so I will not recount the details. The statute, which makes it illegal to "molest or annoy any child under the age of 18," is not used lightly or frivolously. Not in LA, where the cops and the DAs have far more real work to do than they can handle. The next step up from this charge requires actual sexual intercourse with children.

Both Bill White and Tom Metzger provided me partial copies of Fields' court file, at my request and without much of any comment. I saw the rest for myself in the LA County records. The file speaks for itself. Joe pled, did some hard time and then served extended probation.

SECOND, Joe Fields is a liar.

When the allegations first were brought to my attention via postings to VNN, I called Fields and spoke to him. Fields absolutely swore to me that, while he "mistakenly" had been charged with six counts under the statute above, eventually all those charges were dropped and he was not convicted, nor did he pay any penalties. At the time, it seemed unlikely to me that he would so baldly lie to me about something so easily verified. I was wrong. As the court file was to show, He lied to me.

Fields also wrote an extended letter to the WN community at the time which attempted to explain away the charges and his admissions thereto. He lied extensively in it about the charges, the meaning of his pleas, his lawyer and about appealing the result. Fields tried to blame copping the pleas on his lawyer's pressure and lying, then made some truly remarkable claims about the lawyer, to boot.

I found no evidence of Fields appealing squat. He lied about that.

Quite recently, I spoke at length with Fields' lawyer at the time, Encino lawyer David Currie. Though Currie was unable to discuss much about the case, due to attorney-client privilege, California Attorney Disciplinary rules do allow an attorney to speak out enough to rebut charges made by an ex-client. Currie unequivocally called Fields' written charges (he never even had heard about Fields' letter prior to my call) "absolutely false." I believe him. Fields lied about his lawyer.

Fields issued his conference announcement stating that I would be present before I confirmed that I would attend. Despite that, I did confirm, because of the others who already (according to Fields) had confirmed. I have spoken to a couple of them. At least some of them did NOT confirm. "He shouldn't be saying that about me, since I don't even intend to be there, let alone speak," said one to me. Fields lied about that.

I invited Fields to respond to some of the above material. He declined to do so...apparently more "nolo contendre." Silence in the face of accusation is acquiescence.

Yes, one should be presumed innocent until proven guilty. Once the primary evidence of guilt is produced, however, the presumption then shifts to the accused. At that point, silence is an admission (save only in a formal court of law, though juries pretty much see things that way, too).

There is more, but that is more than enough for me. I will NOT be attending Fields' conference. I encourage you not to attend. If the listed speakers who have not yet returned my calls or answered my emails will do either, I personally will attempt to dissuade them from attending, either.

Some may think my attitude about this matter to be too harsh. To those, I say: You have a problem, not I, and perhaps you should seek treatment for it.

Admittedly, child molestation is something of a "third rail" for me, since I believe that child molesters should receive the death penalty for a first offense. Solicitation of children for sexual purposes, which is all to which Fields pled guilty, is enough for me to want to see someone locked up for a long time. Had I been the judge, Fields would not have gotten off so lightly, despite no apparent evidence of his having actually touched any of the children who identified him.

Should someone actually touch my child, I hope the authorities never hear about it .... do the math.

Lying is another matter, albeit lesser. Honesty and forthrightness are key with me in life. When someone lies repeatedly, I thereafter refuse to believe anything he has to say. Henceforth, just as will I, you are entitled to disregard anything Joe Fields has to say about anything.

We do not need this sort of role model in the WN movement. Just now, Kevin Strom's lengthening silence makes clear that he, too, is some sort of pervert. Terrific. Just terrific.

It is our responsibility to clean up our own act and condemn those among us who break the law, particularly when violations so thoroughly trash the fundamental principles upon which we stand.

Make no mistake: Joe Fields was not a political prisoner. Obviously, neither is Kevin Strom. These men do not deserve our support. They have not earned our indulgence for this sort of thing. If we do not step up and condemn their actions, then we are hypocrites and worse.

I am not the first to cast a stone in the direction of either Fields or Strom, but now I do just that. What you do is between your conscience and yourself, but I will not sit silently while men such as these posture and presume to speak for us.

Because of the extensive censorship that exists over at Stormfront, particularly concerning Strom, I will not be posting this there myself, but I encourage those of you who think it might survive to do so.

If anybody knows of Fields' conference having been advertised elsewhere, please let me know so that I might set the record straight there, as well.

Edgar J. Steele
Thank you for your integrity, courage and honesty, Mr Steele, in speaking out against the pattern of sexual abuse and misconduct that has unfortunately become commonplace among the leadership of the National Vanguard-Stormfront crowd. Personally, I have always held you in high esteem, and I am happy that we have such a distinguished poster here at VNN.
 
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Thanks for your post, Mr. Steele. You did give the guy the benefit of the doubt.
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Thank you Ed Steele - forthright and to the point !

Now what is the response of Jack_Boot or Don Black on Stormfront ?

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I find this rather strange. No one peep on the news. I’m not defending them, just curious as why the Jewsmedia is not howling about this debacle, especially ADL ---mmmmI guess two wrong to make it right as far as sleaze deeds goes.....
 
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Il Duce, I have read several articles at ADL and other "watchdog" groups that are talking about it. It just hasn't hit MSM yet. It might if ADL pushes it. If, for example, NV tries to do a rally or Duke is on Blitzer's show again, I bet you they will bring it up. If not, Paula ratings whore Zahn will.
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