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Old January 8th, 2005 #1
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Because really, the citizen exists to serve the state, so why should he be afforded any opportunity to spread doctrines against its interests?

Is Homeschooling a Viable Option? *

Attending school is mandatory and homeschooling illegal in Germany
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In Germany, homeschooling is illegal, but some parents do it anyway. DW-WORLD readers weighed in on the pros and cons of teaching kids at home.
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Home schooling is big here in the USA, the students and parents that I've met seemed to be a lot more dedicated than those in public schools. If it's done properly then I believe it's a viable option to public or private schools. -- Frank Shipp, USA*
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Early childhood education is not merely the compulsory attendance at an educational facility in predetermined time intervals. Clearly, the process involves integrated peer, parental, and pedagogical influences. For my own experience in the nascent stages of my education (in 1970 rural Indiana), kindergarten was most obviously devoted to socialization; however, the parallel goal of elementary instruction was also realized. From that period and my subsequent journey through various "public school" systems across the country, I was always prepared and apparently competent enough to graduate and enter university easily. What must be stressed is that my parents and teachers made the most critical impact to my success.

My own children have the attention of both my wife and me regarding their daily educational progress in the public school system. I was initially skeptical of contemporary educators, but so far they have earned my confidence. Although my kids are still young and the curriculum has changed, we will remain involved, at least minimally, to fill in the "gaps" that ever-changing didactics seem to cause. Like me at my kids' ages, they are intellectually thriving and I remain optimistic about their educational future -- for now. -- Frederick W. Luthardt

Homeschooling is a viable and appropriate alternative to public and private school. Uniquely, home education provides a custom education, suited to the child's learning style, needs, and interest. It is far different than the pre-set one-size programs necessitated by the industrial model of education, and should not be regulated to force it to conform to standardized institutional format. -- Shay Seaborne, Virginia Home Education Association

Homeschooling is an acceptable way to teach children. Here in the United States, the laws regarding the homeschooling of children vary, but it is legal. My child has a severe speech delay. If he were in school, they would automatically place him in a special education class. He has been tested, and he is above average intelligence, so placing him in the public school system would only hurt his self-esteem. There are also many parents here in the US that are religious. And those parents want to homeschool their children, along with teaching them religious values. People argue that children won't become 'socialized' if they're homeschooled -- but how can this be true?
Aren't I as a parent a human also? He socializes not only with me, but with his grandparents and other family members, along with people we meet in stores, the post office, etc. And as far as learning goes, my child benefits from the one-on-one contact he receives from me and my parents. This attention is something he would never get from teachers in a classroom setting. And to be perfectly honest, I have met many people who graduated from public school who could barely read or write, whereas I can rest assured knowing that my son will be able to. I believe that parents have the right to teach their children at home -- after all, parents have been doing that for centuries. -- Dawn C. Stricklin, USA
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Living Room Lessons Not Easy in Germany *
Mom now doubles up as teacher
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Opting to teach your kids at home instead of sending them to school is not an easy decision. In Germany, homeschooling is even illegal. But around 200 parents here do it anyway.
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Dorothee Becker has lost all*faith in the German school system. None of her four children go to public or private schools. The values that Becker wants them to learn just aren't taken seriously in educational institutions, she says. Becker is*also opposed to grades. "The pressure is so enormous that it's no longer important what the child can do," she said.*
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After eight years in the Philippines, the Becker family returned to Germany, looking forward to the familiar environment and language and German schools. But after six months of trying desperately to get used to their new classes, the children were exhausted. It was difficult for them to integrate into the new class.
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"Although the teachers took pains to help, the children experienced socialization in the school very negatively. When, for example, our oldest didn't know a German word, everyone laughed and turned around and ran off," Becker explained.
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Sick from school
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One after another, the children fell ill. Becker put it down to the pressure and frustration of school. Finally, she collected books and lessons plans and decided to take charge of the children's education herself. And the Beckers informed the head of the school that their kids would no longer be attending classes. "He said, 'I understand you, I won't make any problems for you'," Becker recalled.
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But there was a problem. Whereas in other European countries, such as Denmark and France, children are required merely to acquire a certain body of knowledge, in Germany they must physically attend school. The only exceptions are children who are ill and*confined to a hospital for a long period or who hail from*families*who are part of a*circus.
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A truancy officer notified the Beckers that he would have the children picked up and escorted to school if needed. "But my husband said, 'There are four children, so you need four policemen who will stay outside the four classroom doors'," Becker explained.
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Looking the other way
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Becker and another*estimated 200 families who have taken the radical step to homeschool their kids inhabit a legal gray area. What they do is illegal, but the local authorities*turn a blind eye -- especially when they see that parents are devoted to teaching their children.
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Although the Becker kids, aged 11 to 18, are homeschooled, they can still earn accepted school degrees. Two of them have already done so*thanks to lots of hard work at home.
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Experts say that kids who don't go to school aren't socially-adjusted and lack assertiveness and the ability to deal with conflicts. But, Becker sees the positive aspects.
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"They have the freedom to learn," she said. "They don't experience learning as something restrictive, as a constraint that you want to escape from as quickly as possible."
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I bet if you were to give IQ tests to home schooled American children they would score at least 30% higher than those who attend Federal Re-Education Camps.
 
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There's no evidence that going to school makes people better adjusted. For every unassertive home schooled kid, there are more kids in school every day who are unassertive AND THEY HAVE PROBLEMS FROM BEING PICKED ON. The schools know ths.
 
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I never let schooling interfere with my education.

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There's no evidence that going to school makes people better adjusted. For every unassertive home schooled kid, there are more kids in school every day who are unassertive AND THEY HAVE PROBLEMS FROM BEING PICKED ON. The schools know ths.
Sure they do.

The govt is controlled by jews, and its every arm reflects this. The education majors and niggers who dominate "teaching" and "civil rights" are so stupid they often say flat out what the jew always hides:

"Civil rights is not intended for white men and does not apply to them." -- I paraphrase from memory, Mary Berry, a retarded nigress who ran some commission.

State schools -- even the word school is a deliberate bit of verbal terrorism -- have a proven record of failing to achieve their ostensible aim, the education of the young. Yet their bona fides are never called into doubt, only the homeschoolers.

And you'll note that the reporters always take the angle that wow, homeschooling can work, in certain instances. Never will they make the obvious comebacks or counter-assertions against the state. Never is the state held to the standard it insists on for HSers. Just like a jew, every single plausible and implausible bullshit excuse will be used to explain away HS success and PS failure.

What do public school teachers complain about all the time? Parents don't give a shit. The minute they DO give a shit, oy, they care too much!

For every kid who spent public school with lots of great friends and enjoyed popular acclaim, I'll bet there are five who were more or less miserable, bored, and more than occasionally threatened.
 
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Article on British trying to force young chess champ into public school, over there called private school.

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/articl...TICLE_ID=42182

An 8-year-old homeschooled British boy who reportedly is the best under-10 chess player in the UK is at risk of being forced back to government school – but his parents are determined to keep educating him at home.

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"Peter initially went to a state-run school but we withdrew him because of the lack of ability or willingness to support him with his chess talent," Peter Williams, the boy's father, told WorldNetDaily. "The education authorities over here are in our opinion quite authoritarian and like to tell people, by their definition, what they can and can't do."

On July 7, the local school district sent the Williamses a notice demanding that Peter's parents provide information about his education or he would be required to return to public school. The letter from the Hampshire County Council claims the Williamses are "failing to perform the duty" under the law to assure their son is educated.

In the letter, welfare officer James McGilvery tells the Wililamses they have 15 days to prove young Peter is receiving a "full time" education or the "Local Education Authority" will serve notice on the family and require the boy to be registered at his local government school.

In response, Peter's father filed a complaint with a government ombudsman, who is investigating the issue. The county council, Williams says, is waiting for the ombudsman's report before taking further action.

Said Williams: "The council will probably go ahead with a school attendance order. Hampshire Council does not actively support home education. Their website states, 'School is where children should be for most if not all of the time.'"

Williams says he will not provide any education information to the council.

"We have refused to allow any member of the council into our home or to meet with them, as their views are biased. We have to provide Peter with an education suitable to his age and ability, which we are doing; we are simply refusing to prove this to the local education authority. Incidentally, we cannot find any law that states that we must provide them with this information."

Peter's dad tells WND the boy is happy schooling at home.

"The last thing he wants to do is to go back to a state school," Williams said. "He very much enjoys learning at home, studying all the subjects he is interested in."
 
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...in Germany they must physically attend school. The only exceptions are children who are ill and confined to a hospital for a long period or who hail from families who are part of a circus.
Zigeuner exemption?
 
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Families face possible loss of children to state
German Christians who choose to homeschool their children are coming under continued enforcement action by the government, with one group of families fearful they may lose custody of their kids.

According to Richard Guenther, an American expatriate who lives in Germany, several families in the town of Paderborn currently "are being heavily persecuted for their faith."

A meeting is scheduled for today with immigration officials, Guenther says, since the families are Russian-Germans who moved to Germany after the demise of the Soviet Union.

Guenther says if the parents' attempt to negotiate with government officials fails, the parents could have their children removed from their homes. Thirteen children are threatened with such action.

"The claim of the parents is that the local school is raising the children to be promiscuous and the girls prostitutes," Guenther writes in an e-mail. "Christian family values are being replaced by the state's moral values, which are designed to create autonomous individuals. The authority of the parents is not being recognized. As is typical, the parents are declared to be incompetent to raise their children. …"

Relaxation techniques are being used in school, which include darkening the room and having the small children lie down beside each other, boys and girls together. Using a feather, they are to explore the neighboring child to find out where the most sensitive part of his body lies. They are encouraged to touch their neighbor anywhere on his body.

"Fourth-grade students are shown videos of sexual intercourse and how a baby comes forth from this act. The narrator of the video assures the students that this sexual act feels good and is fun. Homosexuality must be accepted as normal and the children are encouraged to examine themselves as to their own sexual orientation. Darwin's evolution theory must be accepted as truth."

Though the German government talks of a mandatory school-attendance law, the homeschooling families say no such law exists. Instead, they cite articles of freedom of religion, freedom of conscience and parental rights that are supposed to be upheld.

"Is your government really intent on perpetuating unflattering stereotypes of Germans and Germany? Even Bulgaria tolerates some homeschooling, and it is fully legal in Romania. Do you want the free world to see German educational policy as more backward than that of Bulgaria? Do you want Germany to be known as a repressive society?"

Thomas Wriessnig, head of Cultural Department of the German Embassy responded to Shortt, saying, "Homeschooling may be equally effective in terms of test scores. It is important to keep in mind, however, that school teaches not only knowledge but also social conduct. Daily contact with other students from all walks of life promotes tolerance, encourages dialogue among people of different beliefs and cultures, and helps students to become responsible citizens." (Indoctrinated citizens SDM)



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Families fined for refusing to send children to government institutions
Seven homeschooling fathers in Germany spent several days in jail for refusing to pay fines that were imposed on them for failing to send their children to government schools.

The fathers, who are part of the Twelve Tribes Community in Klosterzimmern, Germany, were forced to spend between six and 16 days in what the group's website translates as "coercive jail."

According to the group's website, which includes a chronology of its battle with the government, the men initially refused to go to jail. The police then picked them up and brought them to a lock-up in Augsburg, Bavaria, on Oct. 18. The first father was released from custody on Sunday.

"The authorities want to 'bend' the parents' will so they will pay their fines, stop homeschooling their children and instead send them to public schools. The mothers (three have small, nursing children) are supposed to go to jail later," states the group's website.

The site says the men appealed to police not to force their wives to jail at a later time.


German homeschooling father greets family after stint in jail.


Said the released homeschooling dad:

"The prison sentence wasn't easy but it did nothing to change our convictions. Wrong will not always remain wrong. To act according to the dictates of our conscience is right. Conscientious objectors are also granted the freedom of conscience. The 'wrong' of the members of the resistance in the Third Reich is being praised today, the members are being esteemed as heroes. Our conscience resists the one-sided education of the state with the values of a consumption and achievement-oriented society. How far have we fallen, if any kind of perverse way of life is being applauded, but a sincere education according to the Bible is being punished? Where are the citizens of this country who will stand up against injustice?"

According to Hal Young, president of North Carolinians for Home Education, who has followed the plight of the German families, the media in Germany have given the homeschoolers favorable coverage.

The families are scheduled for a hearing on Nov. 14, which will address further fines they have refused to pay.

As WorldNetDaily reported, some German families have escaped the nation to prevent the state from taking custody of their children.

Those wishing to help the cause of homeschooling in Germany can contact a legal defense organization there, Schulunterricht Zu Hause E.V.

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Families escape homeland to keep from losing children to state

Germans who choose to homeschool their children are coming under increasing pressure from the state with some families escaping the European Union nation to keep from having their children taken from them.

The U.S.-based Home School Legal Defense Association, or HSLDA, has appealed to its members to assist its counterpart organization in Germany as it battles for the right to homeschool.

Said a statement from HSLDA: "The United States has been blessed for many years with the freedom to homeschool. Other countries do not have this freedom. If we do not help 'the least of these' in other nations, who will help them?"

The organization tells of the struggles German families are having with the judicial system there.

A few weeks ago, HSLDA reports, a German homeschool family escaped to Central America under threat of a judge who wanted to take custody of the couple's school-aged child. A social worker helped the family escape by warning them of the judge's intent and delaying the paperwork needed for the seizure.

In another instance, a family escaped with their child to Austria. According to HSLDA, even though the family no longer lived in Germany, a judge gave custody of the child to the state and let the family know if it ever returned to Germany, the child would be taken.

Another German homeschool family lost a recent court case when the judge ruled that the parents had no rights to have input into the manner and method of education in government schools. In this case, hard-core pornography reportedly was being used to teach the children in their German-language course. The judge also ruled that fundamentalist Christians who do not want their children to attend the government schools are not protected by the nation's constitution.

HSLDA helped start an advocacy organization for homeschoolers in Germany, School Instruction at Home, and is encouraging Americans to donate to the German group to help in its battle for the rights of families there.

"Many homeschoolers in the United States have forgotten the terror of being taken to jail for exercising their God-given responsibility to homeschool," HSLDA said. "We have been able to legalize homeschooling in all 50 states. … But our freedom to homeschool was not free. Many families had to sacrifice in order to legalize homeschooling in the 1980s and '90s.

"German homeschoolers are facing this battle right now. It is vital that we in America, who have been given so much, rally around these families and lift up the homeschooling movement in Germany."

The group has set up a site where donations can be made to the German homeschooling organization.

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American Christians Protest Over German Homeschooling Case

American Christians are up in arms about a home schooling family in Germany whose daughter has been placed in a psychiatric institution. The authorities claim the girl was removed from her family for her own welfare.

Christian activists say the case is an assault on religious liberties and the right of a Christian family to home school their daughter. The case has been widely reported in Christian and conservative media in the United States, with some commentators comparing the authorities to Nazis. Activists are being encouraged to pray for the girl and petition German Chancellor Angela Merkel, while one Web site is even calling for a boycott on German goods.

However the German authorities deny that the case is an assault on home schooling and say the decision to remove the girl from her family was motivated by concern for the girl's welfare.

The row centers around the 15-year-old Erlangen resident Melissa B., the oldest of six children. Melissa was taken out of her high school by her parents and educated at home after she was told that she would have to repeat seventh grade following problems with her performance at school.

But when the Youth Welfare Office in Erlangen fielded calls from a number of people -- including from Melissa's former school -- saying they were concerned about the girl, the authorities got involved, according to an official familiar with the case. When the family refused to cooperate, the family court in Erlangen commissioned a psychiatric report on the teenager to determine the veracity of the concerns -- a standard procedure in such cases.

The report, which has since been posted on the Internet, diagnosed Melissa as suffering from "emotional disturbances" and "school phobia" and recommended that she be made a charge of the Youth Welfare Office as her parents were not able to meet her needs. Melissa was removed from her home on Feb. 1, 2007 and placed in a psychiatric clinic for young people in Nuremberg for further testing.

The family court's decision was upheld in a further court decision on Feb. 16 and again this week in a decision by a higher appeals court.

The case is seen by home schooling proponents as an attack by the German authorities on the practice of home schooling. "I think this is the worst case we have ever experienced in the home schooling movement here in Germany," German home schooling activist Joerg Grosselümern told the US-based Christian Broadcasting Network (CBN). Grosselümern called Melissa a "hostage" and said she had been "abducted" by the authorities.

The family told CBN that they had received letters of support from around the world. "You ask yourself, what have I done wrong that this must happen to me?" the girl's mother Gudrun B. said in an interview with CBN. "I know that God is helping us," she added. "But humanly speaking, we have no help against these people. What can we do against them? You feel very helpless against the officials."

The family's other five children are all in public school and the family say they are not opposed in principle to Melissa returning to school. CBN reports that Melissa is now being held in "a foster home at a secret location" while the court battle continues.

Ultra-conservative American daily Washington Times also got on the bandwagon, publishing an op-ed piece by Michael Smith, president of the Home School Legal Defense Association, entitled "The Battle Against Fascist Conformity."

Christian activists are trying to put pressure on the German government to intervene. "We are working with US government officials to bring pressure from the US," Joel Thornton, president of a US-based organization which calls itself the "International Human Rights Group" and claims to campaign for religious liberties, told the American conservative online news site WorldNetDaily. "We are working to set up a meeting with the US ambassador in Berlin so that the ambassador can be informed regarding the situation." The group's Web site adds that they are "working to develop international prayer support for Melissa and her family."

Another activist Web site features an extensive list of German companies and calls for a boycott on German products "until the people of Germany rise up and demand accountability from their government."

However the Erlangen authorities deny that the case is related to the parents' decision to take the girl out of school. "The case has nothing to do with home schooling," Edeltraud Höllerer from the Erlangen Youth Welfare Office told SPIEGEL ONLINE, adding she could not discuss details of the case for legal reasons.

Aware of the extensive media coverage the case has received, Erlangen Youth Welfare Office has published a series of press releases to clarify its position. "The Youth Welfare Office has at no time been involved with enforcing the obligation to attend school and would like to publicly set the record straight," the Youth Welfare Office wrote in a press release from Feb. 21. It stressed that the action was to protect the child from danger and that the girl was now old enough that she was no longer obliged to attend school.

The case is the latest in a series in Germany relating to home schooling. A Christian family fled to Austria last year after the father had been jailed for a week for refusing to enroll his children in public school.

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Reaction from Spiegel forum:

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A sickening display from Spiegel Online
This report is pure and disgusting propaganda:

However the German authorities deny that the case is an assault on home schooling and say the decision to remove the girl from her family was motivated by concern for the girl's welfare.

And yet, at the bottom of the report, you say:

The case is the latest in a series in Germany relating to home schooling. A Christian family fled to Austria last year after the father had been jailed for a week for refusing to enroll his children in public school.

and on your forum page, you say:

Is Germany wrong to ban home schooling?

So, you on the one hand, repeat the bogus claim that the German authorities deny this is an attack on home schooling, and in the same breath say that other families have fled Germany to Austria over home schooling and that it is in fact BANNED in Germany.

How pathetic you are, and how stupid you must think we are that we cannot see through your utter nonsense.

If, as we are lead to believe, the entire state of Germany (and indeed you at Spiegel Online) are against home schooling, then be honest and SAY SO instead of hiding behind poorly crafted words that make you look like liars and second rate propagandists.

You also omit the fact that FIFTEEN POLICEMEN came to the home of that family to remove her by force. Eerily familiar behaviour, and that is a very interesting omission; if you agree with these tactics, then why omit this fact? You also omit that this poor girl was 'evaluated' immediately after having been forcibly torn from her family by a squad of policemen. Any child in those circumstances would be traumatized. That you excuse this as 'standard practice' is as nauseating as it is shocking.

This is why the Americans are so infuriated with you; this is why they are calling you Nazis. This case has nothing to do with Christianity or religion and you are deliberately and falsely trying to cast the disgust of ordinary people around the world for you and your ban on home schooling (which was introduced by Hitler, another fact you omit from your piece of propaganda) which is anti-freedom, anti-family and anti-human rights, in terms of 'those nutty right wing Americans' when in fact, this legislation banning home schooling comes from the home of all extreme right wing ideology - Germany.

Everyone has the right to home school their children, and the astonishing response of your sad and unreformed government, that, "home schooling is banned because we need to prevent the creation of parallel societies" marks all of you out for what you really are.

The fact that Der Spiegel has written this apologist piece puts you on the wrong side of history. It is a shameful and scandalous piece of garbage; shame on you for writing it, and shame on you for not supporting this family that is being persecuted by the German state.

It is clear that the Germans have learned nothing. This is the greatest shame of it all.

Home schooling is an absolute right of all free people. The right to teach and protect your children is fundamental to human life, and any culture that values all human life understands this from the outset. Cultures that do not respect human life, that put the state before the individual are the ones that ban home schooling.

I wonder if the German state would prevent this family from leaving Germany entirely; after all, if they were to do so, they would be able to home school in a free country - if your omniscient state has the child's best interest at heart, why have you not confiscated their passports?

I am sure that now the parents are being subjected to a humiliating and degrading 'psychiatric' evaluation, you will be able to destroy this family for the good of the homogeneity of German culture.

Shame on you all.

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Both WND and Pat Robertson's cable channel have complained about HSers being imprisoned in Germany; however, being the usual intellectually inconsistent, two-faced christians, they've said not a word in defense of imprisoned Zundel, Rudolf, Irving, etc.
 
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Private schooling would be a way to get around this. Germans are now sending their children to private schools in a greater proportion than ever: http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0130/p07s02-woeu.html An unintentional favor from the Mud invaders.
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"...Indeed, perhaps nowhere in the industrialized world does the school success of children depend so much on the social background of their parents. Germany's rigorous tracking of pupils into three different school paths, determining as early as age 9 whether they will end up at a university or learn a trade, puts children of immigrants and lower social backgrounds at a disadvantage..."
Mine are attending a parent-initiated Montessori-based school. There are proportionately less Muds enrolled there and the classrooms are smaller (less pupils per teacher).
Why can't White-minded parents get together to start such an initiative? In rural areas, it wouldn't be that practical. But, in metropolitan areas, it should take. It doesn't matter who teaches the kids, as long as the teacher is one of us. This way, the parent, who otherwise would school their own offspring at home, would have time to earn money to pool for the school
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June 19, 2008 (LifeSiteNews.com) - The parents of a homeschooling family in the German state of Hesse have each been sentenced to three months in prison for the crime of homeschooling their seven children.

According to a staff attorney for the Home School Legal Defense Association (HSLDA), the sentence was issued to Juergen and Rosemarie Dudek after the federal prosecutor, Herwig Muller, said last year that he was dissatisfied with the fines the couple had already paid for homeschooling their children.

As reported by WorldNetDaily (WND), staff attorney for the Home School Legal Defense Association, Mike Donnelly, was appalled by the decision.

"Words escape me, it's unconscionable, incredible, shocking." He then affirmed, "They will appeal of course."

He concluded by summarizing the actions of the prosecutor: "You guys are rebelling against the state. We're going to punish you."

Homeschooling is illegal in Germany under a law dating back to the Hitler era. Homeschooling families in the country have faced increasing persecution in recent years, with police in several cases physically transporting children to school and even removing one teenager from her parent's care.

A spokesperson for the German homeschool advocacy group, Netzwork-Bildungsfreiheit, commented on the mandatory public school attendance laws, which deem homeschooling families to be in breach of the state's criminal code.

"It is embarrassing the German officials put parents into jail whose children are well educated and where the family is in good order," wrote Joerg Grosseleumern. "We personally know the Dudeks as such a family."

WND also reported that Judge Peter Hobbel, who originally imposed the fines on the parents, criticized the school system for denying the requests of the parents to have their "private school" recognized.

In a previous WND article, it was noted that the Dudek's wrote a letter to the HSLDA regarding a new law that gives German authorities the right of "withdrawal of parental custody as one of the methods for punishing 'uncooperative' parents." The law is essentially enacted when "child abuse" is suspected. Conveniently, German courts have consistently deemed homeschooling a form of child abuse.

"The new law is seen as a logical step in carving up family rights after a federal court had decided that homeschooling was an abuse of custody," read the letter signed by Juergen Dudek.

In a blog, Wolfgang Drautz, consul general for the Federal Republic of Germany, attempted to defend these new developments, saying the government "has a legitimate interest in countering the rise of parallel societies that are based on religion."

Arno Meissner, the chief of the government's local education department, has also promulgated the government's intolerance of homeschooling families, confirming they will continually rely upon the mandatory school attendance law.

See related news:

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POLICE STATE, GERMANY
Authorities: Children may 'visit' parents
Youth Welfare Office relents with homeschooling family
Posted: August 21, 2008

By Bob Unruh
© 2008 WorldNetDaily

Authorities in one of Germany's regional Jugendamt, or Youth Welfare Offices, without explanation have relented and given five sisters permission to "visit" their parents, from whom they were taken by government officers earlier this year over the family's homeschooling.

According to a report from the Home School Legal Defense Association, which has been involved in defending a number of homeschooling families under attack in Germany, authorities this week confirmed the Gorber sisters could return to their home to visit their parents "temporarily."

The girls have been detained in "youth homes" for the last eight months with only minimal visitation with their family because of court concerns over the family's homeschooling.

The HSLDA said the permission to visit their home extends "until the beginning of September," but no word was available on what would be required of the family at that point.

Lawyers for the family have argued there is no valid reason for the government to retain custody of the girls. Even so, a court decision earlier this month ordered the five to remain in state custody.

The children were taken into custody by the government in January – in a SWAT-style raid on the family home while the parents made a trip to a hospital. A recent court ruling released a 3-year-old back into his parents' custody but ordered the five sisters to be kept in state custody. The ruling also included an order for the parents to be evaluated by a psychologist.

A family friend reported to HSLDA that the "children have held up well under the circumstances and have not been susceptible to manipulation by the Jugendamt or other children in the homes. This is a real testimony of the strength of the family and the parents."

The Gorbers have homeschooled because of their religious convictions, HSLDA said. In Germany, the sexualization of school curriculum is advanced, and Christian perspectives are repressed, critics have said.

The parents have promised to fight until they regain permanent custody of all their children.

A similar raid happened in 2007 when the police seized Melissa Busekros, then 15, from her home in Erlangen and kept her in foster homes for months with severe restrictions on family visits. When she turned 16 and was subject to different national laws concerning her education, she escaped from her foster home and now is back at home, pressing her case against the government for violating her civil rights.

The HSLDA said there are concerns attacks will increase, since German President Horst Kohler signed a law recently that actually makes it easier for the Jugendamt to take children from their families. The new law allows removal if authorities consider the children "endangered." The term "endangered," however, not defined in the law and courts already have ruled homeschooling is "an abuse of parental rights."

Another homeschooling family, Juergen and Rosemarie Dudek, were sentenced in July to 90 days in jail each for homeschooling, and they are appealing their case.

Other families simply have fled Germany, seeking refuge in England, New Zealand, the United States, Canada and even Iran, the HSLDA said.

Michael Donnelly, a staff attorney for the homeschool organization, said Germany simply is "out of step" by choosing to clamp down on concerned parents who follow their conscience in educating their own children.

"This kind of behavior by the Federal Republic of Germany is very disturbing," he said.

Germany's policies are in conflict with most of the rest of the European Union, and even the U.N. has criticized its attacks on parental rights.

HSLDA officials estimate there are some 400 homeschool families in Germany, virtually all of them either forced into hiding or facing court actions.

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U.N. protocol used to regulate homeschoolers

New Brit report: Authorities have 'right to access of the home'

Posted: June 16, 2009

By Bob Unruh

A British plan to allow local authorities "the right of access to the home" and "the right to speak with each child alone" in order to evaluate homeschooling families and make certain they do what the government wants is a warning about what could happen in the United States, according to the world's largest homeschool advocacy organization.

"On June 11, 2009, a report on home education in England by Graham Badman, a former Managing Director of Children, Families and Education in the County of Kent, was accepted in full by the British Secretary of State for Children, Schools and Families," according to today's report from the Home School Legal Defense Association.

"The report makes the case that homeschooling should be extensively regulated in England," the HSLDA continued. "Aside from registering with the state and mandating reports by homeschoolers, the Badman report makes references to balancing the rights of parents with the rights of children. This idea is expressed in the UNCRC."

That is the U.N. Convention on the Rights of the Child, a document that the HSLDA has been warning about for a number of years already.

It has been adopted in the United Kingdom, and it is on its way toward approval in the United States, lacking mainly the approval of two-thirds of the U.S. Senate.

The document, however, grants dozens of "rights" to children, sometimes running roughshod over conflicting parental rights, the organization said.

For example, under the international document parents no longer would be allowed to administer reasonable spankings to their children, children would be granted the authority by the state to choose their own religion, the "best interest of the child" would govern all decisions and give the government the authority to override any parental decision, children would have a legally enforceable "right to leisure" and parents would be required to have their children attend state-sponsored sex education courts.

There is a ParentalRights.org website that notes if approved, the treaty would supersede "the laws of all 50 states on children and parents."

The HSLDA now is sending a very gentle "I told you so" message.

"Ever since the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (UNCRC) was adopted by the United Nations General Assembly and opened to nations across the world for ratification in 1989, HSLDA has been deeply concerned about the implications of this treaty for U.S. homeschoolers, if the U.S. were to ratify the treaty," the organization said today. "We have consistently warned that this treaty could be the vehicle opponents of home education could use to effectively ban or severely regulate homeschooling."

If the U.S. Senate ever approves it, "the UNCRC will automatically supersede all state laws and U.S. judges will be obligated to follow the provisions of the treaty. Currently, family and education laws are state-based; however, ratification of the UNCRC would transfer the jurisdiction for making family and education law to the U.S. Congress. Congress would, in turn, be obligated to follow the U.N. mandates contained in the CRC," the HSLDA said.

UNCRC supporters have scoffed at such concerns, saying, "There is no language in the CRC that dictates the manner in which parents are to raise and instruct their children," the HSLDA said.

But now, with the adoption of the Badman report in Britain, "Sadly, HSLDA's position has been proven to be correct. Contrary to what proponents like the Children's Rights Campaign claim, UNCRC will be used to significantly restrict the freedom to homeschool in England."

According to the report now awaiting legislative action in Britain, Badman concludes, "I am not persuaded that under the current regulatory regime that there is a correct balance between the rights of parents and the rights of the child either to an appropriate education or to be safe from harm. The United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (UNCRC) gives children and young people over 40 substantive rights which include the right to express their views freely, the right to be heard in any legal or administrative matters that affect them and the right to seek, receive and impart information and ideas. Article 12 makes clear the responsibility of signatories to give children a voice:

"'Parties shall assure to the child who is capable of forming his or her own views the right to express those views freely in all matters affecting the child, the views of the child being given due weight in accordance with the age and maturity of the child.'

"Yet under the current legislation and guidance, local authorities have no right of access to the child to determine or ascertain such views," the report finds.

Therefore, authorities not only must have access to homes and private interviews with children, they should, "secure the monitoring of the effectiveness of elective home education," Badman wrote.

"In short, the Badman report recommends that the state should have the authority to choose the curriculum for homeschoolers and he used Britain's treaty obligations under the UNCRC to justify this intrusion," the HSLDA report said.

"Remember, the Badman report has already been accepted by the British government. It is now only a question of time before the legislation is introduced and a vote occurs in the British Parliament. Not surprisingly, the estimated 80,000 British homeschooling families are outraged at the Badman report. The Badman report is a stark reminder of how government officials in an English-speaking democracy have interpreted the UNCRC. It's clear that the right to homeschool in America will be negatively impacted if the U.S. Senate ever ratifies the UNCRC," the HSLDA said.

Among Badman's recommendations:

* At the time of registration parents/carers/guardians must provide a clear statement of their educational approach, intent and desired/planned outcomes for the child over the following 12 months.

* That the government review the current statutory definition of what constitutes a "suitable" and "efficient" education.

* That all local authorities analyze the reasons why parents or carers chose elective home education and report those findings to the Children's Trust Board.

* Authorities should regard the move to home education as a trigger to conduct a review and satisfy themselves that the potentially changed complexity of education provided at home, still constitutes a suitable education.

Michael Farris, founder of the Home School Legal Defense Association, a college and a church and now a dedicated leader in the effort to change the U.S. Constitution through the amendment process to restore and protect parental rights, has told WND even U.S. courts in recent years have refused to acknowledge parental rights in many case.

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