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Old July 24th, 2012 #1
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[this is a very interesting comment on Greg Johnson's recent 'Holocaust' article at TOO]

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July 24, 2012 - 10:34 am | Permalink

@zioncrimefactory:

Jared Tayor, who censors whites and promotes Jews as our friends, along with MacDonald, Johnson, Mark Weber, etc, meet in California to come up with strategy such as the type displayed in this article. A “White Nationalist” who attends these meetings, (who has an asian wife) told me about this.

Jared Taylor, Mark Weber, guys with non-white wives, this is not an elite whites should accept, anymore than we should accept Mitt Romney.

It’s impossible to ignore the past. We need to reference the past to display what the Jews have repeatedly done throughout time.

Orwell wrote, “He who controls the past, controls the future. He controls the present controls the past.”

Or even better – “The Jews who control the past, control the future. The Jews who control the present, control the past.”

There’s an entire new generation out there who in the year 2012 are naturally skeptical of gas chambers and ancient Jewish fairy tales such as Noah’s Ark. Rather than show these young people the whole truth, and win them over to our side, for life, by pulling them completely out of the Jewish Matrix, the apparent elite of the White Nationalist movement is seeming to push for a “big tent” by refusing to attack two pillars of Jewish lies and total mind control – “The Holocaust” and Christinsanity.

That Judeo-Christian “Holocaust” believers can become revolutionary white Nationalists is sheer idiocy. But Christians donate…

http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net...aust/#comments
 
Old July 24th, 2012 #2
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[this is a very interesting comment on Greg Johnson's recent 'Holocaust' article at TOO]

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July 24, 2012 - 10:34 am | Permalink

@zioncrimefactory:

Jared Tayor, who censors whites and promotes Jews as our friends, along with MacDonald, Johnson, Mark Weber, etc, meet in California to come up with strategy such as the type displayed in this article. A “White Nationalist” who attends these meetings, (who has an asian wife) told me about this.

Jared Taylor, Mark Weber, guys with non-white wives, this is not an elite whites should accept, anymore than we should accept Mitt Romney.

It’s impossible to ignore the past. We need to reference the past to display what the Jews have repeatedly done throughout time.

Orwell wrote, “He who controls the past, controls the future. He controls the present controls the past.”

Or even better – “The Jews who control the past, control the future. The Jews who control the present, control the past.”

There’s an entire new generation out there who in the year 2012 are naturally skeptical of gas chambers and ancient Jewish fairy tales such as Noah’s Ark. Rather than show these young people the whole truth, and win them over to our side, for life, by pulling them completely out of the Jewish Matrix, the apparent elite of the White Nationalist movement is seeming to push for a “big tent” by refusing to attack two pillars of Jewish lies and total mind control – “The Holocaust” and Christinsanity.

That Judeo-Christian “Holocaust” believers can become revolutionary white Nationalists is sheer idiocy. But Christians donate…

http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net...aust/#comments
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Old July 24th, 2012 #3
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What these people dont understand is the holocaust is used to beat up white kids, to demoralize them - DAILY. That alone means you have to take it on. And christ, the revisionists have proved the big H is based on two easily refuted lies - 6m dead and gas chambers as main means. So you take those facts, couple them with the proven jewish atrocities in russia/ukraine against white christians, and you go to town. These guys are extremely foolish, to say the least. And if they had any real political sense or imagination, which pretty much excludes Ph.D.s by definition, they would see what I suggested - that the so-called Holocaust being taught in all schools offers a perfect chance to get White parents involved in real politics. If the professionals can put together (their strength) an 'accredited'-level lesson unit plan on the anti-WHITE atrocites committed by the jews pushing the Big H Lie, then we might actually start getting somewhere. That would be a great basis for a national political party/movement. Imagine 5-6 white families in an area at a schoolboard meeting denouncing the Frank-'n'-Wiesel curriculum as a BLOOD LIBEL AGAINST MY PEOPLE and demanding the substitution of their own fully professional curriculum. Gee, that would throw a spanner in the works. Are jews going to show up at thousands of local school board meetings nationwide? It would be pretty hard. For the first time, we could turn our numbers to advantage, just as the homeschoolers have done.

This incredible behavior on the part of Johnson, whom I would think from his VNN background would know better, again leads back to something I alone have ever observed, since I've never seen anyone else remark on it, despite its huge significance:

Although the intellectual path from conservatism to racialism runs only one way - conservatives become racialists, racialists never become conservative - there's a suck-back: the highest-level intellectual-journalistic racialists -- like Johnson and MacDonald -- men who know better, yet still tend to suck back into professional conservatism because professional conservatives are more on their social level than most racialists, and in professional conservatism (Vdare being the notable example) they can raise more money.

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Old July 24th, 2012 #4
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racialists like Johnson and MacDonald, who know better, run back to conservative because they feel more comfortable and can raise more money.
That's the trap. Everyone has to have a living. Those who make their livings being WN figureheads have to worry about the handouts they get. If they don't say what those who can and will hand out want to hear, then they are shit out of luck. Pretty soon the handouts become more important than the vision or mission, or whatever they originally aspired to.
 
Old July 24th, 2012 #5
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Revisionism doesn't necessarily have anything to do with WN or race, nor is there any inherent need to call it revisionism. It's, rather a set of facts and arguments that can be used by anybody for his purpose, just as 'nazi' political tactics can be used by anyone. Since the jews call anyone who resists their genocidal anti-White agenda in the slightest degree a nazi, one is pulled into the debate whether one likes it or not. Since the facts are on our side, that's nothing to worry about. But instead Johnson utterly foolishly cedes basically everything the jews claim. This utter pussiness is not natural to him, it surely comes from his being badly influenced by either Taylor or MacDonald.

Jared Taylor is the worst enemy White Nationalism has. That MacDonald and Johnson continue to work with him and praise him and support him and make excuses for him shows their own weakmindedness and lack of political instincts.

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Old July 24th, 2012 #6
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That's the trap. Everyone has to have a living.
Johnson does. I don't think MacDonald does. He was paid quite handsomely by the state of California as a tenured professor. I mean like well into the six figures.

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Those who make their livings being WN figureheads have to worry about the handouts they get.
Depends on their individual circumstances. Someone could be independently wealthy, or have an income source the kikes couldn't touch. But for people like me or I guess Don Black, that's not the case. We do need some donations to keep sites going and keep above water personally.

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If they don't say what those who can and will hand out want to hear, then they are shit out of luck. Pretty soon the handouts become more important than the vision or mission, or whatever they originally aspired to.
The famous saying is: starts as cause, becomes business, ends as racket. And that is accurate, that's the natural psychological evolution if you don't resist it. Because you see how slow change is and how stupid people actually are.

I don't think money is the primary motivator, though I think it's a secondary motivator for Johnson. It's social class. Ph.D.s don't really like being around others who aren't, they see them as beneath themselves. They also tend to prefer quiet orderliness, and really dislike the hurly burly of actual politics. Basically all the average Ph.D. wants to do is write smart essays, be respected by his peers, and enjoy a nice lifestyle. But radical politics doesn't work like that. Only safe, respectable, responsible conservatism works like that.

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Old July 24th, 2012 #7
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Just the other day I read an article in TIME about Whites forgetting the holocaust and that something must be done about it.

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A Muted Anniversary: Are Europeans Forgetting the Holocaust?
Limited public and media reaction to news events rooted in World War II atrocities raises concerns that societies may be starting to forget the dark, hard lessons of the Holocaust

http://world.time.com/2012/07/17/a-m...the-holocaust/
 
Old July 24th, 2012 #8
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I think Hunt is the Wiesel-grabber? Is that right?

This is spot-on:

There’s an entire new generation out there who in the year 2012 are naturally skeptical of gas chambers and ancient Jewish fairy tales such as Noah’s Ark. Rather than show these young people the whole truth, and win them over to our side, for life, by pulling them completely out of the Jewish Matrix, the apparent elite of the White Nationalist movement is seeming to push for a “big tent” by refusing to attack two pillars of Jewish lies and total mind control – “The Holocaust” and Christinsanity.
 
Old July 24th, 2012 #9
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Just the other day I read an article in TIME about Whites forgetting the holocaust and that something must be done about it.
That ought to be satire, but of course it's straight.

Tuesday July 24, 2012, was the first day in over 32 years that not a single new Holocaust museum opened anywhere in the world. It is clear the hard-won lessons of the horrors that hate can bring have been lost on the congenitally flagitious Aryans of Europe.

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Old July 24th, 2012 #10
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That ought to be satire, but of course it's straight.

Tuesday July 24, 2012, was the first day in over 32 years that not a single new Holocaust museum opened anywhere in the world. It is clear the hard-won lessons of the horrors that hate can bring have been lost on the congenitally flagitious Aryans of Europe.
The current (worsening) economic crisis will have deleterious effects on a lot of liberalist concerns. Hard times encourage each to look after their own, and the more dissimilar people and causes are, the less of a priority they become.
 
Old July 24th, 2012 #11
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Johnson's article drew tremendous response. Over 500 comments and climbing. More reaction is negative than positive, although that is partly because the ones who don't like what he's saying have more to respond to.

The article is so long and -- not confused, Johnson is a brilliant writer and always intelligible, but, let's say, at odds with itself, it's hard to know where to begin. You just don't come away with much except that Johnson accepts the reality of the Holocaust, finds it distasteful, doesn't want anything to do with it, so has written a few thousand words about why we should stay away from it politically. If it doesn't matter, Johnny, why does it take you 5,000 words to explain that?

Ask me, Johnson made a rookie mistake of wading blithely into something he doesn't really know about or care about. He doesn't seem to grasp the deadly seriousness of what he's very fliply, cavalierly advising: to just go on ahead and cede to jews a bunch of genocidally anti-White historical claims - claims that they used to create the current anti-White juggernaut that is ZOG, and claims that give rise to, to use WFB's words, the prevailing structure of taboos. He's advising we cede the moral basis of the genocidal campaign against us! That is beyond preposterously stupid, but then the cherry: the claims that we are supposed to cede are absolutely demonstrably 100% false; they are Big Lies. It boggles the mind, it really does. Johnson is mistaking his tastes and irritations for sound politics, and he rightly got has ass handed to him by the commenters. Look Greg, if you want to write essays and collect money and be safe, that's great. But don't act like what you want is the measure of successful radical politics. It's not. It's simply gelded conservatism.

I'm glad he wrote the article, though, because it really drew out the best arguments for the other side. In that way, the article has been a tremendous success. I'd like to think Johnson planned it, but only the very, very shrewdest among us are capable of that ultimate black art.

Not only should we be talking about 'the' 'Holocaust' (Johnson follows MacDonald in verbally submitting to the jews' labelling imposition, indeed goes so far as to call problematizers 'autistic,' of all craziness - another good example of the Ph.D. mindset being overly respectful of authority), we should be screaming and ranting and railing about it: Not only do all the arguments serve our side, as the commenters show, even if we didn't want to talk about it, by beating us over the heads with it daily -- beating our KIDS over the head with it daily (this will of course be less a concern to the childless Johnson and MacDonald) -- the jews are forcing our hand.

It makes you wonder, though. Gee, Greg: which other sectors of the battlefront should we withdraw from?

Is there anywhere we should fight?

He presses on with a virus he picked up from having intellectual sex with carrier Jared Taylor - the idea that whites have some kind of moral flaw that makes them feel guilty for things they didn't do. That isn't true, though. Whites feel guilty for the holocaust, to the extent they do, which is not as much as he thinks, because they BELIEVE it actually happened. They really believe these nasty white people MURDERED six million jews by sticking them in gas ovens. But these claims are bogus. Destroy them and whatever guilt there is goes away.

But no, that's too simple. We have to have some cultural revolution in thinking that I guess is going to trump what he elsewhere seems to be implying is a biological problem. I don't see that working.

It's all just a garbage variant of whites-are-suicidal, which is an intellectual form of AIDS spread most notably by patient zero, Jared Taylor.

I tell you - that guy does more harm than anyone realizes.

Wake up, Johnson, and pull your head out of your ass. And then pull MacDonald's head out of his ass. And then both of you activate your twin powers and give Japes Taylor a boot back to Jewville where he belongs.

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Old July 24th, 2012 #12
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There's no way WNs can allow such a colossal lie as the holyhoax to stand. Somehow, because jews died in WW2 at the hands of the Germans, Johnson implies the jews have a case, they've been wronged, so WNs should move on. He even uses the term, "innocent" jews. Instead of Johnson understanding the astounding wrongs jews did to the German people by betraying Germany into defeat by manipulating America into WW1, and then instigating WW2 by jew actions and subversions after their own declaration of war on Germany in 1933, he writes that it would be better if WNs refrain from Holocau$t® revisionism. Such a move would only result in giving jews relief, of which they deserve none. The only thing jews deserve is payback for centuries of indescribably heinous crimes against White Europeans.

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Old July 24th, 2012 #13
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the big H is based on two easily refuted lies - 6m dead and gas chambers as main means
The big H is based on three easily refuted lies - 6m dead and gas chambers as main means AND the fraudulently alleged huge mass graves that the kikes are allegedly buried in.

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Revisionism doesn't necessarily have anything to do with WN or race, nor is there any inherent need to call it revisionism.
"Revisionists" are their own worst enemies for not having the sense to call themselves something different. What kind of tard would call themselves something that the jews themselves use to demonize them?

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But instead Johnson utterly foolishly cedes basically everything the jews claim.
There has been a lot of "ceding" of late by so called "revisionists."

Something seems to be going on - there has definitely been a change. (You see a lot of “ceding” over at CODOH lately.)

You know that the jews have moles in the "revisionist" crowd. Are they making their play? If so, it shows how desperate they are because that would be one of the last hands they can play.

Forensic science is killing the holohoax and the end is near. There is no reason to throw the kikes a bone on any issue that we are kicking their asses on. So why are “revisionists” doing it?

Those who cede anything to the kikes on the holohoax issue should be suspected of collaboration.

How many are moles? How many have been blackmailed and/or bribed?
 
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There's no way WNs can allow such a colossal lie as the holyhoax to stand. Somehow, because jews died in WW2 at the hands of the Germans, Johnson implies the jews have a case, they've been wronged, so WNs should move on. He even uses the term, "innocent" jews.
That's another theme and another term you see used a lot lately over at CODOH - especially from those filthy, castrated Brits that write for - "Inconvenient History."

It's seems to be the direction that "revisionism" as a whole is being pushed towards. (There are many exceptions of course - but I'm talking about a general theme that can be seen at Codoh. And these "ceders" are getting plenty of help from CODOH's censors - er, "moderators.")

Here is someone at CODOH named "Hannover" who basically sees the same thing I'm seeing:

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I generally agree with Clem that there are times when Revisionists try to appear 'reasonable' in their assessments by throwing Jewish supremacists a bone. My analysis in those cases has shown that 'concessions' are not warranted by the evidence at hand. Dalton seems to accept some of Colls statements, with qualifications. I don't buy thoses concessions.
http://forum.codoh.info/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6924


Johnson's article is just more of the same. (It seems the traitor David Irving started a trend.)
 
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I read most of it and made a post or three.

1) Whites raise- jews raze.

2) The stuff jews don't want discussed should be discussed the most

This will help the polarizarion and make it easier to dump conservatism.

Just a few years ago i would mail Alex saying "look what Taylor allowed."

So the picture gets clearer avery day.

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July 24, 2012 - 7:14 pm | Permalink

@Carolyn Yeager:

This is what seems “off” to me about so many White Nationalists. You had Alex Linder on your show and he flatly stated he was for the extermination of all Jews. He came out and said it was necessary to kill all of them (if I am wrong I apologize, but I am sure that is what he said). Now, here you have a guy on your show calling for the genocide of over 12 million people, today, in our world, and you don’t raise an eyebrow or express any shock. I know you didn’t say it, but nevertheless, you have a blunt call for mass extermination of a people right there on your show.

There was no shock, so apparently this kind of statement isn’t that stunning to people in certain parts of WN, especially the NS wing. So, my question is this: How in the world can a group of people who are comfortable with such statements, be taken seriously when they deny “the Holocaust”? It is as if they are saying, “we don’t believe the holocaust happened, but put us in power and we’ll make sure one does happen.” It’s a bizarre approach. Everyone listening processes the incongruity.

I realize it isn’t fair to hold anyone here accountable for what Alex Linder says, but it remains true, but people do associate Alex Linder types with WN. And this is an understandable belief, given that he is interviewed and treated respectfully on your show and I believe other WN shows.

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July 24, 2012 - 7:23 pm | Permalink

@Jason Speaks: I would point out to you that Linder is also hostile to national-socialism. I see his bluster as an attempt to cover an ideological deficiency.


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July 24, 2012 - 6:30 pm | Permalink

Clinton: Remain vigilant against Holocaust denial
U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said that Holocaust denial and Israel criticism that crosses into anti-Semitism require vigilance.

On Tuesday, Clinton addressed a symposium at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum on preventing genocide.

“Let me begin by acknowledging that here in this museum, it’s important to note that every generation produces extremist voices denying that the Holocaust ever happened,” she said. “And we must remain vigilant against those deniers and against anti-Semitism, because when heads of state and religious leaders deny the Holocaust from their bully pulpits, we cannot let their lies go unanswered.

“When we hear Holocaust glorification and public calls to, quote, ‘finish the job,’ we need to make clear that violence, bigotry will not be tolerated,” she continued. “And, yes, when criticism of Israeli government policies crosses over into demonization of Israel and Jews, we must push back.”

Clinton outlined policies that she said were aimed at genocide prevention, including training officials in detecting warning signs, the use of technology to enhance monitoring, pressuring oppressive regimes and making clear that perpetrators will be held accountable.
http://www.jewishjournal.com/nation/...nial_20120724/

“But pay no attention to the little lady she’s on her way out. The holocaust isn’t important, nothing to see here, more along to the more important things WN have to think about”, says present leadership

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July 24, 2012 - 5:14 pm | Permalink

How about a Third Position: We openly (as a tactic) acknowledge the holocaust as presented to us for eons (gas chambers, 6 million dead, etc. etc.) but say that we are more concerned about the destruction of our own group because we have only so much sympathy and concern to spread around. So sorry.

(BM is calling for the acknowledgement of something that did not occur)
 
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Why is it so hard for people to understand that my belief about what should be done to jews in future has nothing to do with the purely factual matter of what happened to them yesterday somewhere else before I was born?

People act like reality is just a matter of opinion, rather than fact.

It is a fact that Hitler did not kill millions of jews.

It is a fact that I have stated jews should be exterminated, all of them.

The two facts aren't related in any way.
 
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I read most of it and made a post or three.

1) Whites raise- jews raze.

2) The stuff jews don't want discussed should be discussed the most
Agreed. There's a reason they promote the H every day of the year in every country on earth through every one of their mass media. We're just supposed to ignore that reason? Just accept their inculcating guilt and self-hate in our children?

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How so? Seems like prominent thought-leaders of WN are encouraging their sheep to head back down to the safe green fields of conservatism. "Come in from the cold," as says Peter Brimelow, who has expressed publicly that he does not believe his own side can win.
 
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I would like to hear responsible speculation on whether Mark Weber and Jared Taylor are or have been in the CIA or funded by CIA money. I have heard this re Weber, but forget the claim and source. I have not heard it re Taylor, but he went to Princeton, a famous recruiting ground. And he has said he wants to be the William F. Buckley of white nationalism, and Buckley was in fact not just a jew-sellout like JT is, but an actual employee of the CIA. The CIA is also famous for putting loads of money, during the Cold War, into literary and political fronts supporting democracy. Could the CIA now be supporting the undermining of WN, which for objective reasons ought to be or be nearing mass takeoff?
 
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I would like to hear responsible speculation on whether Mark Weber and Jared Taylor are or have been in the CIA or funded by CIA money. I have heard this re Weber, but forget the claim and source. I have not heard it re Taylor, but he went to Princeton, a famous recruiting ground. And he has said he wants to be the William F. Buckley of white nationalism, and Buckley was in fact not just a jew-sellout like JT is, but an actual employee of the CIA. The CIA is also famous for putting loads of money, during the Cold War, into literary and political fronts supporting democracy. Could the CIA now be supporting the undermining of WN, which for objective reasons ought to be or be nearing mass takeoff?
If the CIA were to infiltrate WN groups, I think they would quickly realise that they don't have much to worry about, especially compared to Islamic groups here in America.
 
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If the CIA were to infiltrate WN groups, I think they would quickly realise that they don't have much to worry about, especially compared to Islamic groups here in America.
You don't gauge WN by what it is today but by its potential. It is very clear the number of WN sites is mushrooming. And the only reason there's not open organization is suppression by the enemy. Never a better time to head something off than before it gets steam behind it.
 
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