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He said he intended to reveal the financial trail of child abuse from Russian orphanages to British banks by paying a 7 fee to access a child pornography site with his credit card.

The transactions were picked up by officers investigating the sites as part of the FBI-led Operation Ore crackdown


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He said he intended to reveal the financial trail of child abuse from Russian orphanages to British banks by paying a 7 fee to access a child pornography site with his credit card.

The transactions were picked up by officers investigating the sites as part of the FBI-led Operation Ore crackdown


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As above leftist Duncan Campell proved he could not have subscribed to the website he pleaded guilty to.That indicates it was a specimen and that there were several transaction as opposed to one naive one.Townsend would have had a money no object top drawer solicitor who would have spotted the anomaly that Campell spotted
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As above leftist Duncan Campell proved he could not have subscribed to the website he pleaded guilty to.That indicates it was a specimen and that there were several transaction as opposed to one naive one.Townsend would have had a money no object top drawer solicitor who would have spotted the anomaly that Campell spotted
Does America have a freedom of information caper like we have, do you know? I'm wondering if we couldn't persuade a friendly 'merican to send an email. It seems it's the FBI that needs to open the files on this one. There's more to it than this than is being said, it seems.

I note he said he had a creepy experience in his youth (or something like that) which prompted his crusade (and it might well have done) but don't they claim that most paedophiles were abused as kids?
 
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Does America have a freedom of information caper like we have, do you know? I'm wondering if we couldn't persuade a friendly 'merican to send an email. It seems it's the FBI that needs to open the files on this one. There's more to it than this than is being said, it seems.

I note he said he had a creepy experience in his youth (or something like that) which prompted his crusade (and it might well have done) but don't they claim that most paedophiles were abused as kids?
They do indeed and its the legend that their probation officers suggest they do the same for bantu in criminal cases suggesting they claim they were hooked on crack and needed the money to fuel their addiction.As above I'm sure that the FBI who invested a lot of time and money on this sting must have been pissed off.No doubt at higher levels the Brits assured them that they would use the information to blackmail the miscreants and they probably do.Just the sacking of the police involved should have unfolded a scandal as big as the catholic churches nonces.The soham bugger was up on charges and coerced a female officer to perjure herself for him.I was in the US at the time and looking forward to mass arrests etc.The Republic of Ireland had 1200 miscreants and so far as I can tell no one was even nicked.

It was an open secret in the US porn industry that in FBI parlance the website "just doesn't look right".That's another issue (albeit side) other porn sites would not exchange links with the site due its explicit nature and free content.
Just looking at wiki for operation ore for the UK shows this data:
7,250 suspects identified,
4,283 homes searched,
3,744 arrests,
1,848 charged,
1,451 convictions,
493 cautioned
140 children removed from suspected dangerous situations
and an estimated 33 suicides


Right there you have 7,250 suspects now the point about this before the era of the fixed user Ip Number is that the only way the FBI could pass on suspects details is if they had used plastic to subscribe.As above there was no innocuous content on the site.There was no "normal" porn even on the home page.It was a caricature of a nonces site it had to be to use in court cases in the US.There could be no question of doubt or grey areas it had to be explicit and obvious.A porn industry veteran commented at the time that if that was the future of porn he was out of it.
To return,so you are looking at 7,250 minimum subscribers i say minimum as it looks like the FBI rounded up the number.Now so far as I know many nonces have been convicted on what is on their hard drive as an absolute minimum there is a missing 2,673 from the hiomes searched Vs names on the subscribers list.
If one just took this one incident one has set in stone evidence that this government and previous governments do not give a fuck about the indigenous population.One only has to consider that at that time the police forces across Britain would have been getting and failing to act on complaints about asian groomers.No doubt a big factor in their failure to take action would have been the inside knowledge that ORE was a half hearted operation and many deals struck with miscreants.Societies become decadent from the top down.Perhaps with many thousands of influential nonces being given a pass maybe the police thought well whats a few paki nonces.
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They do indeed and its the legend that their probation officers suggest they do the same for bantu in criminal cases suggesting they claim they were hooked on crack and needed the money to fuel their addiction.As above I'm sure that the FBI who invested a lot of time and money on this sting must have been pissed off.No doubt at higher levels the Brits assured them that they would use the information to blackmail the miscreants and they probably do.Just the sacking of the police involved should have unfolded a scandal as big as the catholic churches nonces.The soham bugger was up on charges and coerced a female officer to perjure herself for him.I was in the US at the time and looking forward to mass arrests etc.The Republic of Ireland had 1200 miscreants and so far as I can tell no one was even nicked.

It was an open secret in the US porn industry that in FBI parlance the website "just doesn't look right".That's another issue (albeit side) other porn sites would not exchange links with the site due its explicit nature and free content.
Just looking at wiki for operation ore for the UK shows this data:
7,250 suspects identified,
4,283 homes searched,
3,744 arrests,
1,848 charged,
1,451 convictions,
493 cautioned
140 children removed from suspected dangerous situations
and an estimated 33 suicides


Right there you have 7,250 suspects now the point about this before the era of the fixed user Ip Number is that the only way the FBI could pass on suspects details is if they had used plastic to subscribe.As above there was no innocuous content on the site.There was no "normal" porn even on the home page.It was a caricature of a nonces site it had to be to use in court cases in the US.There could be no question of doubt or grey areas it had to be explicit and obvious.A porn industry veteran commented at the time that if that was the future of porn he was out of it.
To return,so you are looking at 7,250 minimum subscribers i say minimum as it looks like the FBI rounded up the number.Now so far as I know many nonces have been convicted on what is on their hard drive as an absolute minimum there is a missing 2,673 from the hiomes searched Vs names on the subscribers list.
If one just took this one incident one has set in stone evidence that this government and previous governments do not give a fuck about the indigenous population.One only has to consider that at that time the police forces across Britain would have been getting and failing to act on complaints about asian groomers.No doubt a big factor in their failure to take action would have been the inside knowledge that ORE was a half hearted operation and many deals struck with miscreants.Societies become decadent from the top down.Perhaps with many thousands of influential nonces being given a pass maybe the police thought well whats a few paki nonces.
Well, you've got half of the FOI written there! I would love to know also:

How much this investigation cost.

How many got off due to claiming entrapment (or whatever the American legal term for being set up is).

How many deals were struck and the broad nature.

How many were officials and/or high profile.

How many went on to re-offend or stay as persons of interest.

All we need now is a friendly American to do the business for us. I wonder if dear Mr Radl would be interested.....
 
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I don't suppose they'll tell us anything, but the excuse as to why not should be good.
 
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Well, you've got half of the FOI written there! I would love to know also:

How much this investigation cost.

How many got off due to claiming entrapment (or whatever the American legal term for being set up is).

How many deals were struck and the broad nature.

How many were officials and/or high profile.

How many went on to re-offend or stay as persons of interest.

All we need now is a friendly American to do the business for us. I wonder if dear Mr Radl would be interested.....
As an absolute minimum are they on the nonce list of sex offenders ? What I know is that at that time circa 1999 customers from the UK making purchases with debit cards invariably had triple A credit ratings indicating six figure incomes.On top of that the majority of purchases were american express charge cards indicating corporate or six figure incomes.For example all of the police caught used force issued amex cards.What I want to know is what happened to the FBI team and are they still trawling the internet and when are they lifting the nonce akins ?
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As an absolute minimum are they on the nonce list of sex offenders ? What I know is that at that time circa 1999 customers from the UK making purchases with debit cards invariably had triple A credit ratings indicating six figure incomes.On top of that the majority of purchases were american express charge cards indicating corporate or six figure incomes.For example all of the police caught used force issued amex cards.What I want to know is what happened to the FBI team and are they still trawling the internet and when are they lifting the nonce akins ?
Someone with a llllllot of time could possibly find out or at least make a good guess whether they were put on an offenders register. The US publicises its registers, I think - all it would take is seeing who was put on them at rounadabout the applicable time post-operation and surmising from there.
 
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The government (the tax payer) and private industry have thrown millions into Operation Ore and forward operations of a similar type. One force was reportedly spending one third of its time on these operations. People were thrown out of their jobs, into jail, monitored by police, ss or child advocates. Overall, a staggering cost. Even if the pictures found were morally reprehensible, they were still just pictures, and that should never be forgotten.

It is estimated that the cost of splitting a family is about 80,000, but part of the operational tactics of Ore were to do just that.

The trick was of course, what price has the wellbeing of a child? This was never actually the issue, and never have children been so hideously abused as by Operation Ore. Even if that were not so, no one dared speak the truth. If it cost 10 billion pounds to save the life of a child, should this be paid for? We live in a capitalist system, like it or not, cost is nearly always an issue. A parent might well give everything for their child and more, but governments have a different role to play as they have sustainability and the wellbeing of all to consider.

Despite all the vast amount of money spent, there was one cost that had never been factored in. What is effectively SOCA, were so powerful a police force, so unaccountable, they probably thought they would never get caught and be held accountable to the civil and criminal laws of this land. Similarly with local forces, accountability had been long abandoned by a government hell bent on protecting its interests over those of the people. In practice, with the likes of SOCA at the top, the police in the United Kingdom had become a political party in its own right.

The hidden cost was compensation. Just as illicit imagery appeared on a few web sites linked to the Landslide payment system in 1998, in the same year, a landmark ruling in the UK, cleared the way for compensation claims if police officers failed in their duty to protect members of the public. Previously the police had largely enjoyed immunity from being sued from negligence after Hill vs Chief Constable of South Yorkshire and similar rulings.

In the case of Operation Ore, although gross negligence was clearly evident, the police set out to destroy people's lives rather than protect them. Bill Hughes, Stuart Hyde, Jim Gamble and others, pretended considerable sensitivity and accuracy was being used in these cases. It would be hard to imagine bigger lies. They don't even dare to count the dead.

The grounds for compensation of those hit by Operation Ore are not simply based on negligence. The Operation was supported by a whole series of orchestrated lies. That was just the corruption at what is effectively SOCA, individual forces and officers took part in depraved behaviour, the likes of which is a curse on the whole nation state, and a blight on the reputation of the police service as a whole.

Courtesy of the European Court of Human Rights, there are laws that have supremacy over the whims of government. The police operated outside of UK criminal and civil law, they assaulted people on mass (many more than just the Landslide list), the very opposite of their duty to protect. Instead of protecting society, they corrupted the morals of a whole nation.

So we have another question. What rights does a person have not to be assaulted by the police, and when that happens, and in such a fashion as it did in these cases, what is the price? With compensation, there is always a price.

Let us assume for a moment, the true hideous nature of Operation Ore was fully exposed, there cannot of course be adequate compensation and many are dead. For the sake of argument, let us assume compensation was commensurate with some of the crimes committed by the police, and that each Oree agreed to a one million compensation payment.

Some 5,000 Orees had their rights if not their lives directly assaulted, that is 5 billion pounds. That is without including the real numbers of people blighted by these operations which is many times more than those arrested. That is a problem the government will have to find an answer for. It is a secret, the government, the police, the child advocates, the newspapers and virtually every instrument of state, would no doubt rather the public did not know.

The Politics Of Operation Ore

Politics has become a dirty word, but it is synonymous with power and the use of that power, very relevant to understanding how corruption takes a hold.

Capitalism is the prevailing system throughout the world. It is promoted most by the the societies that have profited from it the most. It has numerous practical benefits. People are seldom satisfied and want more and more. Capitalism encourages this, and the more successful people are, the more they earn.

There can be a humanitarian face to capitalism. The more people earn, the more tax can be collected to help those in need, be they old, young, ill, deprived or just unlucky. Capitalism delivers because it provides the money to fund the services to help people.

When capitalism is carefully regulated, it strikes a balance between prosperity and humanity. It uses what is immoral, the lust for money, for moral purposes, the funding of care. The balance is of course the critical issue and the best societies are ones that are governed the least.

When the state exceeds a certain size, it becomes less accountable, state and the public diverge and society is set on the road to ruin. In the UK, we are already quite some way down that road.

An early example was speed enforcement. The police asked to keep a commission from the revenue of speeding tickets, effectively asking to profit from crime. The government consented, and there were clear financial incentives for the government in doing so.

We started this section perhaps, with the greed of mankind, and the police went out and issued tickets by the million. With a licence to print money, they used it, who wouldn't?

The police then became a political force of their own, with their own propaganda machine. They showed pictures of children being hit by cars, in an attempt to demonise speeding as part of antisocial behaviour. This social engineering required propaganda to mask the truth. The raw government statistics told a different story. What was being marketed as a safety campaign, was actually killing people and turned some of the safest roads in Europe into death traps. The trick worked, the police and government got their money and the public were criminalised as of course the law was waved at motorists like a moral instrument.

Using capitalism to feed crime, it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy and the police had been corrupted overnight by the lure of money and with it, the days of a healthy 5% year on year road safety dividend were destroyed.

Children were also the marketing weapon of choice in Operation Ore. In a successful economy, with opportunity, education and increasing social economic benefits available to so many, child abuse would automatically decline, again a natural 5% per annum perhaps as has been recorded over some 8 years in the US.

Unlike road accidents, the true figures of child abuse are not easily open to inspection, and astronomical statistics are banded around like facts from those that stand to profit from them. As this is something that typically happens within families and is seldom reported or accurately measured, no real figures can be available. It is however, entirely reasonable to presume, there would be a decline in child abuse in direct proportion to the advance in social economic norms in the UK. It should be noted, a climate of fear has a detrimental effect on society as a whole though it can be useful to those who seek to control it.

Again, dirty politics come into play, very much like the speed cameras. Social services are on performance related pay. That is, the more children they take into care, the more money they get. One doesn't need statistics to know what will happen as a consequence, you pay people to take children away and children will be at risk. Operation Ore brought these issues out into the open and appalling stories emerged of children being stolen without any reason at all and very much to the detriment of the children concerned.

Then it comes to policing in general, performance related pay. Not a reward based on merit where police were paid in inverse proportion to the level of crime, but they were actually rewarded for crime. Again, one does not need to see the statistics, a very simple equation to understand and people were busted and thrown into jail, no matter the nature of the crime if indeed it happened at all. The absurd situation results, where the crime rate can increase inline with the size of the police force.

Then along came Operation Ore. This went beyond what could simply be described as corruption. We have a new police unit, effectively what is to be called SOCA (Serious Organised Crime Agency). Unregulated power, control of information. It was no longer a police unit, it had entered the dirty world of politics as a party on its own. Instead of just being offered money, they campaigned for it and were quite willing to deceive to get their hands on it.

They had a small percentage of people that might have accessed illicit websites drawn from a large list of names. It just needed a huge lie, in fact a series of them, to convert from one list to the other. Landslide was not the big demon it had been made out to be, just one of countless portals, but their credit clearance services made this a profitable enterprise for its owners.

Contentious age imagery had crossed into the general public domain long before and was circulating amongst the pool of adult material on the net. It had been scooped up into private pay adult sites, and many surfers hit it by accident. Of course, if something was there, whatever it was, some people would look at it, and a few dollars on the credit card was not relevant at all. One of the worst parts of the con trick, was to present the contents of hard disks of people surfing the Internet as if this was the contents of their minds. Everything was on the Internet, the worst of it put on display to the court.

SOCA made several funding attempts during Operation Ore, each time after more money. They did not stop at government, they paid for commercial advertising to support their campaign, took what looks like protection money from ISP's and even US defence suppliers made a showing. This was a business, without public accountability or even visibility.

Unlike the speeding, the raw statistics were hidden behind closed doors, together with many other dark secrets. Out of a vast range of websites using Landslide's payment systems, some 0.2% were proven to be dedicated to contentious age imagery, actually well below the norm judging by other sites examined of a similar nature. In effect, one of the little guys had been taken out. There were 7,272 possible adult surfers, 0.2% of sites involved confirmed incriminating but thousands busted and many lives destroyed by each bust. Many more are dead than the public realise, yet few asked questions or dared to speak the truth.

Although only a small percentage of subscribers linked to Landslide had paid to access this material, SOCA had a large list that was worth a lot more money. Landslide was involved in a huge range of types of material, but that is not the story the public was told, the official story was 7,000 or more people had been in a ring of dangerous people suspected of the most appalling crimes and children were at risk.

If that had been true, you might as well bust the entire population of adult surfers. It is not the scale of the crime that SOCA did that is so shocking, but the damage it caused. They hid many of the details, like the number of people killed by it, but courtesy of the Internet, people were able to find each other, information and the truth. The Internet had everything, it was used for purposes good and bad, but it empowered the individual, and overall, it is a resource of such benefit, it should be defended against any entity that seeks to control it.

After an initial exercise in busting people who had accessed contentious age imagery, the lure of money and power was just too great a temptation. A force within a force had the power, means and motive to commit serious crime, and that is what happened. The more they got away with, the more they went after. The self fulfilling prophecy of corrupt capitalism.

A bent speeding ticket, however devastating, does not compare with what was done in Operation Ore and operations of this kind. People were being killed, tortured and destroyed on mass. Civil rights, justice and the law were swept aside, just for money and power.

Huge lies were told, and of course history has been quietly recording the truth of these events. In other parts of Europe, the truth of Operation Ore was told as a joke, but here in the UK, the rule of fear, the power of a corrupt police unit, almost everyone stayed silent. 'Child protection was a priority for the police', a lie in itself, was enough to silence many critics.

When corruption is endemic at the top, it spreads. They obtain more and more power and exert a tighter and tighter grip to protect their ill gotten gains. The people who have sought to expose that truth are already under attack and where this leads and when is in the hands of fate.

All that stands in the way of justice, is a series of orchestrated lies. One way or another, the truth will find a voice no matter how many messengers are attacked or destroyed.

http://ore-exposed.obu-investigators.com/Costs_And_Politics_Of_Ore.html

Some sick f***ers out there.

The Guardian spins it as credit card theft.

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The Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) didn't like our lead story last week exposing the faults that run through the Operation Ore investigations - namely, that the police didn't investigate sufficiently whether credit card transactions on a pornography site were really made by the owners of the credit card, or just by website owners operating fraudulently with stolen details.

The CPS wrote a letter for publication claiming Duncan Campbell's investigation was "wrong", but offered no statistics or detail. It seems the CPS doesn't keep any statistics about the success - or failure - of Operation Ore cases; at least, not centrally. Ore was a police operation that started with the names of more than 7,000 British suspects whose details had been found on the servers of Landslide, an American pornography portal, in 1999.

The police collect evidence for a prosecution, and then hand those cases which might succeed in court to the CPS, which decides whether or not to prosecute. In about 500 cases, the police simply issued a caution - a strange way to deal with someone guilty of dabbling in child pornography, you might think. And you'd be right.

So much about Ore, when examined closely, doesn't quite fit. Cast your mind back to 1999. Most of the UK was on dialup. Actually, that's putting it mildly. An Ofcom report said: "In the UK, less than 1% of the population subscribe to broadband services." (click here and search for "broadband".) About one in 10 people bought stuff online, but the cost of dialup meant three-quarters of people spent only about five hours a week online.

So what is more likely? That in 1999, thousands upon thousands of child porn-seeking Britons were on dialup lines ready and willing to hand over their credit card details to a site in another country? Or that a group of webmasters who had set up a series of sites for money discovered that by using stolen credit cards they could make a mint, without any real penalty?

Certainly, uncovering child abuse and paedophilia is essential. Child abuse destroys innocence and trust, which cannot be restored, and its effects often last a lifetime. But Operation Ore has itself wrongly destroyed livelihoods and lives. "This was all supposed to be about child protection," wrote one British woman whose husband was falsely accused. "I can't find a single child better off because of Operation Ore."
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More sick f***ers on a cover-up.

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Here now is a summary of what the prior research and the new evidence have revealed.

1. The evidence was tampered with or contaminated
2. The CLICK HERE CHILD PORN banner did not exist as it was alleged
3. Evidence of credit card fraud was deliberately concealed. Prejudicial evidence of this nature must be disclosed by law.
4. We can tell whose credit card was used for what and for most it seems for now it was for legal web sites.
5. Landslide was hacked.
6. Rogue webmasters bumped people to illegally named sites placing images on their hard drives.
7. Other rogue webmasters signed up people for multiple illegal sites.
8. The police and certain individuals in government ignored the obvious fraud and went ahead with the travesty.
9. Certain individuals and organizations gained much from Landslide/Ore.
10. There were high profile ‘protected persons’ whose credit card details were revealed but who were not proceeded against. These also could have been victims of fraud, but the authorities had declared that there was no evidence of fraud.
11. Senior police officers and others deceived the public, the media and Parliament.
12.The police wilfully incriminated and targeted innocent people, some of whom are now dead.

Who is now affected?

The new evidence suggests that there is now:
A. information that clears whole categories;
B. specific information that clears individuals - viz, sites their credit card were associated with;
C. evidence of major importance that simply discredits the whole of Operation Ore.

The possibilities.

1. That a huge enterprise with vast potential for empowering the police and certain related organizations, called Operation Ore, could be set in motion.
2. That government and certain media could be asked to support it, the latter mainly because it had mass appeal.
3. That the success of Ore and its accompanying fanfare could lead to the creation of a new much more powerful FBI-type organization in the UK, perhaps even with high profile Ore police at the top. Other organizations such as child exploitation prevention would also be possible.
4. That when and if news of defects in Ore began to emerge, certain media outlets could be depended upon not to support the individuals revealing them.
5. That the police-operated Internet Watch Foundation (IWF) could truly police and control citizens through control of the Internet and share this highly desired position with other Internet watchdogs around the world. The chairman of SOCA is Sir Stephen Lander, who is a director of Streamshield Networks Limited, sponsors of commercial partner the IWF and director of Northgate Information Solutions, supplier of false statistics to the Home Office.
6. That Landslide/Ore could lead to the banning of ‘extreme porn’ and eventually pornography itself. Not so much one must add in the interests of morality but in the vast increase such a move could give to police powers over citizens.
http://ore-exposed.obu-investigators.com/The_Class_Action.html

I find it very, very unlikely that so many people had their credit card details stolen. You'd notice strange transactions appearing on your account and query them.

Found these whilst trying to find the sort of FOI statistics we were discussing. Couldn't find any as yet but there's a lot of crap to wade through.
 
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Sure OK Campell I wonder how many of the miscreants are mates of his of course i said how according to Campell Townsend is innocent odd then that townsend despite having access to best lawyers money can buy and the wherewithal to sue them to death he did not.Every single one of the police officers resigned on request 100% they have a union that will crucify a force that as much as breaths on one of their members.
Campell is being disingenuous sure there was no click here for child porn banner what there was,was far,far worse.The candyland home page was split vertical on the left was a picture of a girl about four on the right a boy aged about four both pictures had an "enter" banner below each.At the top straddling both pictures was a large banner with the legend "Whats your poison".As above when clicked the free content available exceeded anything else available in the industry.Webmasters offered the chance of linking contacted the principles believing that the candyland webmaster had mistakenly sent access for the premium area of the website.

As above it was an open secret among porn veterans that something was remiss.Billing was texas but the then primitive IP tracing showed up as florida.Webmasters in north east America and California were up in arms as this sort of obvious illegal porn was a threat to them.In fact if it had been anywhere than Texas some wiseguy retribution would have been happening.In one case all correspondence electronic and otherwise was being routed straight to the legal advisers as from the veterans point of view this was an opening gambit by the feds to shut them down.Another example was a porn site I know of immediately raised the age of any models/actresses to 25 and older causing a street riot in freezing snow as the sacked actresses trashed the reception area of the studios.
Now for Campell to come along with his supposed forensic investigation and heart string tugging tales from miscreants relations I have to ask myself did I imagine all this ?
The bottom line is regardless of soca's willingness to exploit it for their own benefit and empire building the fact is they were given it all on a plate by the FBI.The main point being is that in the US proxy payment process companies would not be enough.In most US states Texas included plea bargains are common they needed hard evidence and got it on the basis that you virtually paid after you viewed and accepted the all important download.
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Sure OK Campell I wonder how many of the miscreants are mates of his of course i said how according to Campell Townsend is innocent odd then that townsend despite having access to best lawyers money can buy and the wherewithal to sue them to death he did not.Every single one of the police officers resigned on request 100% they have a union that will crucify a force that as much as breaths on one of their members.
Campell is being disingenuous sure there was no click here for child porn banner what there was,was far,far worse.The candyland home page was split vertical on the left was a picture of a girl about four on the right a boy aged about four both pictures had an "enter" banner below each.At the top straddling both pictures was a large banner with the legend "Whats your poison".As above when clicked the free content available exceeded anything else available in the industry.Webmasters offered the chance of linking contacted the principles believing that the candyland webmaster had mistakenly sent access for the premium area of the website.

As above it was an open secret among porn veterans that something was remiss.Billing was texas but the then primitive IP tracing showed up as florida.Webmasters in north east America and California were up in arms as this sort of obvious illegal porn was a threat to them.In fact if it had been anywhere than Texas some wiseguy retribution would have been happening.In one case all correspondence electronic and otherwise was being routed straight to the legal advisers as from the veterans point of view this was an opening gambit by the feds to shut them down.Another example was a porn site I know of immediately raised the age of any models/actresses to 25 and older causing a street riot in freezing snow as the sacked actresses trashed the reception area of the studios.
Now for Campell to come along with his supposed forensic investigation and heart string tugging tales from miscreants relations I have to ask myself did I imagine all this ?
The bottom line is regardless of soca's willingness to exploit it for their own benefit and empire building the fact is they were given it all on a plate by the FBI.The main point being is that in the US proxy payment process companies would not be enough.In most US states Texas included plea bargains are common they needed hard evidence and got it on the basis that you virtually paid after you viewed and accepted the all important download.
I've just found a list of what appears to be people successfully prosecuted from this caper.
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6,500 names were given to the British Police by the FBI, who had recorded credit card details, e-mail addresses and home addresses of pedosceles using the Internet. Thousands of paedophiles are given cautions because police cannot cope with the huge volume of cases. Although placed on the sex offenders register, no risk assessment is being carried out on these men and women, and they remain free to carry out their sexual perversion towards innocent children!

Only five per cent of the 3,000 so far arrested had previous convictions!
What stands out from the names are several instances of the following kind:
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jailed for nine months, after pleading guilty to 14 specimen charges after police recovered a total of 800 indecent pictures of children at his home.
which sort of blows the "everyone was hacked" line out of the water, if this list is correct.
 
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However, someone here got compensation for wrongful accusations.

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The High Court has awarded damages to a man wrongfully caught up in the Operation Ore child porn investigation.

Operation Ore kicked off in 1999 in the US, with a list of suspects accused of paying for access to a "child pornography" site handed to UK police in 2002, leading to more than 1,400 prosecutions.

However, the evidence used to convict the accused paedophiles was flawed. Writing in PC Pro in 2005, computer expert and investigative journalist Duncan Campbell revealed that many of the accused were nothing more than victims of credit-card fraud.

British police were aware the evidence was flawed within months of starting the investigation, according to a new report published today on The Register.

Jeremy Clifford, now 51 from Watford, was one of thousands of people accused during the investigation, after his credit-card details were fraudulently used on the site in question. He was arrested in 2003.

Illicit images were found in the temporary internet files folder on his machine, but a police computer expert said at the time the thumbnail images could have been placed there without Clifford's knowledge.

Despite the expert finding no evidence that Clifford ever downloaded child pornography, Hertfordshire Police still proceeded with the charges, which were eventually dropped.

The court awarded Clifford 20,000 in damages, while the police force faces up to hundreds of thousands of pounds in costs.
Read more: High Court awards damages to Operation Ore accused | News | PC Pro http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/366526/high-court-awards-damages-to-operation-ore-accused#ixzz27nYjkPQr
 
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which sort of blows the "everyone was hacked" line out of the water, if this list is correct.
Indeed the guilty pleas are the clincher even accepting cautions particularly if your a multi millionaire.I would not make a guilty plea as a nonce at gunpoint.I suspect those conceding they are nonces do so because they have been at it beyond the internet films and pictures.I think a readiness to plead guilty to such an offence is good grounds to properly examine the blighter and all his associates
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Indeed the guilty pleas are the clincher even accepting cautions particularly if your a multi millionaire.I would not make a guilty plea as a nonce at gunpoint.I suspect those conceding they are nonces do so because they have been at it beyond the internet films and pictures.I think a readiness to plead guilty to such an offence is good grounds to properly examine the blighter and all his associates
Precisely.

You do NOT admit to it if you haven't been at it. No sane person would.
 
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Precisely.

You do NOT admit to it if you haven't been at it. No sane person would.
Even when they have been at it anyone with his resources does not. Look at Bill Wyman he was obviously at it but would not make an admission now its fair to assume that when confronted by his,the girls and her mother's silence they dug deeper.Wyman was obviously confiendt they would find nothing else.Townsend obviously was not as confident.
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