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Old February 19th, 2014 #21
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Jews helping the pro United States, European Union, and IMF portion of the protests?

Not that the pro Russian Ukrainian alliance side is any better.
It is better. EU is the worst possible option by far.

The pro Ukraine-Russia alliance is on the back foot, it needs to take initiative and act much more aggressively, on all fronts, otherwise it will lose.
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Unfortunately in this day and age all wars are won by the jewish media, not by boots on the ground. Many wars are lost before they even begin.
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Holy fucking shit.
25 confirmed deaths yesterday with shit still happening.
11:55am in Ukraine with explosions and what sounds like gunfire still going on.
Live video with sound in this link but the report is timed out.
http://www.infowars.com/video-13-dea...s-engulf-kiev/

Thousands of people have just surged back into the Independence Square.

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The police have started to tell the government to go fuck themselves.

Lt. Colonel Petro Shuliak, commander of an Ivano-Frankivsk police unit, said that he would not follow criminal orders. He said his unit will not resist peaceful protests of Ukrainian citizens. "The staff of military unit 1241 of the internal troops of Interior Ministry of Ukraine serves the Ukrainian people," Shuliak said. -- Katya Gorchinskaya
 
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Not that the pro Russian Ukrainian alliance side is any better.
I'd say they're very much better than the jew-backed protestors/agitators.

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I'd say they're very much better than the jew-backed protestors/agitators.

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Ukraine would be better if it was runned by Ukrainians.

Not by either the United States backed European Union or Russia.

Russia wants to in-debt Ukraine just as much as the United States and IMF backed European Union does taking it over.
 
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Ukraine Protests: Israeli Ex-Officer Leads Militant Group

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A former Israeli army officer is playing a leading role in the anti-government protests in Ukraine, PressTV has reported.

According to reports, the unnamed Israeli is commanding a group of 20 Ukrainian militants while four other Israelis, who had also previously served in the army, are reported to have taken part in opposition rallies in Ukraine's capital, Kiev.

The Israelis were born in Ukraine but migrated to Israel and joined its armed forces before returning to the European country for the demonstrations.

Israeli ex officer leads Ukraine protests Reports - YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Feb8vDXBMsY

Ukrainian media has also said that an Israeli tycoon provides financial support to the opposition in Ukraine, adding that Israel's Mossad intelligence agency is one of the instigators of the unrest in the country.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/ukraine-pro...-group-1436865
Mossad trained snipers, combined with 5 billion American dollars, led by unnamed Israeli operatives and known Oligarchs are fueling the fires of death and destruction.
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The jew has been slaughtering Ukrainians for a very long time. Even before the collectivization of and murder of untold millions of Kulaks.

Today the Ukrainians are under attack from jews and their agents based in the West (America & Europe) and israel.

This time around it may be a little different as the Ukrainians have some help from a friendly and powerful Russia. But they play strictly a defensive war. They need to covertly strike at the heart of the beast in a big way and on a broad scale, lest they be slowly crushed.

Crushed by a machine of destruction of jewish-paid agitators from within. The same type of scum used in all of the other jew-subjugated nations rimming the Mediterranean.

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I am of course 100% against the EU obviously. but-

Can somebody tell me what Svoboda is thinking. Do they just hate Russians/Russia so much that they're willing to sacrifice the costs of EU membership (complete control by the jew, Turd World immigration, imposition of Cultural Marxist policies ie faggotry, etc.) just so they can be "free" from Russian influence?

Besides their pro-EU stance Svoboda seemed like good people from their platform, the remarks of their leaders. They love Bandera. Come on, these seem like our type of people. A lot of the western Ukrainians fought with the Nazis after all. Do they think they can play the EU for fools? For example, resist the jewish cultural Marxism after they are let in. Or are they blinded by the Russia hate and just don't care?

Asking the more learned members of this region who are more tuned in. Perhaps Serbian you can shed some light on this. Or anybody else, please.

exhibit A of what I loved about Svoboda:
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Ihor Miroshnychenko, Svoboda deputy leader and member of parliament drew criticism in December 2012 for writing on his Facebook wall that American actress Mila Kunis, who was born in the Ukrainian SSR and is of Jewish descent, is ”not Ukrainian but a zhydivka."
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The same guy destroyed a statue of Lenin. It's painful for me to see them fight side by side with McCain, Jews, and other degenerates.
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Ukraine violence: Bagpiper plays on despite clashes

19 February 2014 Last updated at 08:26 GMT

Police in the Ukrainian capital Kiev have launched a fresh attack on anti-government protesters as the death toll in renewed clashes climbs to 25.

The renewed violence erupted outside parliament on Tuesday as government supporters blocked opposition attempts to scale back the president's constitutional powers.

Footage shows a lone bagpiper playing amid yesterday's clashes.

Video at link: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26254379
 
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I am of course 100% against the EU obviously. but-

Can somebody tell me what Svoboda is thinking. Do they just hate Russians/Russia so much that they're willing to sacrifice the costs of EU membership (complete control by the jew, Turd World immigration, imposition of Cultural Marxist policies ie faggotry, etc.) just so they can be "free" from Russian influence?

Besides their pro-EU stance Svoboda seemed like good people from their platform, the remarks of their leaders. They love Bandera. Come on, these seem like our type of people. A lot of the western Ukrainians fought with the Nazis after all. Do they think they can play the EU for fools? For example, resist the jewish cultural Marxism after they are let in. Or are they blinded by the Russia hate and just don't care?

Asking the more learned members of this region who are more tuned in. Perhaps Serbian you can shed some light on this. Or anybody else, please.

exhibit A of what I loved about Svoboda:

Come on, these are supposed to be our type of people. This is exactly the kind of thing VNN members post.
check it out, more gold here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svoboda_(political_party)

The same guy destroyed a statue of Lenin. It's painful for me to see them fight side by side with McCain, Jews, and other degenerates.
There definitely is a powerful NS element here, check out pictures from the protesters take over of the town hall:



While the Jews/USA/EU are fanning the flames of civil discontent, there is no real leadership or direction for the protesters. This is where Svoboda and the NS are coming in to fill the vacuum and are trying to take power when the dust settles, which the Jews are already warning about. The West's new color-coded revolution was sabotaged by these Nationalists who are well-organized and came out of nowhere, which is why aside from Sochi, Putin isn't really too worried yet. The Zionist bloc is now starting to back off with these new revelations, but don't confuse that for these nationalists supporting the EU at all. It's a huge gamble they're taking , but I wouldn't be surprised if they succeed. Regardless, their presence amongst the protesters will make the West backoff, which is why this won't be getting much media attention or support from the State Department for much longer. :

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2...l-protest?lite


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KIEV, Ukraine – Daybreak in Kiev's Maidan Square on Wednesday felt more like the end of a bad night in a karaoke bar than the start of another day of a would-be revolution.

A performer on a stage was ruining a folk song, while a few hardy protesters looked on, bored and indifferent – but mostly cold in the 5-degree weather. A biting wind made it feel much colder.

Despite the subdued mood, Wednesday was a big day for Ukrainian nationalists, who celebrated the anniversary of the 1918 Kruty Battle, when a small Ukrainian unit made up mostly of students fought against a force of Bolsheviks 10 times bigger marching on Kiev.

The students were defeated, but the true story was kept under wraps for years by the Soviet Union. And many nationalists liken the students' stand to that of the Spartans – dying for the sake of the motherland.

So, Wednesday was not a day to be missed by the country's nationalist groups, which have been playing an increasingly dominant role since the protests turned violent. They emerged in the morning as if from hibernation from a sea of tents and shelters in surrounding buildings to prepare for a two-mile march to a local Kruty Battle memorial.

‘Glory to the nation! Death to the enemies!’
In the vanguard of a 2,000-strong march were groups of militia-type tough guys, many in combat fatigues and carrying sticks, baseball bats and shields. Some wore ice-hockey body armor. Most wore helmets. They were marshaled, military-style, by burly men in camouflage uniforms and balaclavas.

"Glory to Ukraine, glory to heroes," they shouted as they marched. Then: "Glory to the nation! Death to the enemies!" -- slogans from the nationalist movement of the 1930s, more recently espoused by the Ukrainian far right.

They describe themselves as the "Maidan Guards," but many are affiliated with a group called the Right Sector, closely tied to xenophobic far-right parties, which have been most active in the violence at the barricades.

Some carried flags of the nationalist Svoboda (Freedom) Party, the smallest of three opposition parties whose leaders are negotiating with President Viktor Yanukovych. Svoboda has more recently sought respectability as a mainstream nationalist party and won parliamentary seats.

Its flag shows a hand holding up three fingers, but its symbol used to be a Nazi-style Wolfsangel. The party was -- and some critics say still is -- affiliated with a paramilitary organization that still uses that symbol.

The Svoboda Party values are a world away from those of the liberal-democratic Europe, which the original protesters aspired to join.

European liberal ideals
The visibility of these far-right groups is all the greater because of a fall in the overall number of protesters since the violence began late last year, but the radicals haven't completely drowned out the more rational voices of protest.

"I came here when I saw kids being beaten and killed," said Igor Mits, a 43-year-old small businessman from the town of Ternopil, in western Ukraine. "I have kids of my own," he added. "I had to come, and the protest should continue until somebody is punished."

Like many here, Mits comes and goes, staying in tents or one of the surrounding buildings occupied by the protesters.

Also close to the barricades was 16-year-old Nastia, a Kiev student who didn't give her last name, brimming with youthful idealism. "This is our future," she said. "We have to come here and give our support."

Nastia said she saw the protests as a clear battle between a modern European future and one in Russia's dark and overbearing shadow.

Ukraine's two opposition leaders, Arseniy Yatsenyuk, the parliamentary leader of Fatherland, the country's second biggest party, and former boxer Vitayi Klitschko, who leads the Udar (Punch) movement, have both turned down an offer of senior government positions handed down by the president.
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This involvement of nationalist elements on the side against Russia muddies the waters considerably: on one hand, we know the juUS/hebEU is orchestrating the chaos in the attempt to further isolate Russia; on the other, if, after all this shakes out, a true White nationalist-run Ukraine is the result, it would be fantastic - better than a Ukraine dominated by the Russia of better-than-the-"West's"-whores-but-far-from-ideal Putin.

It leaves a big question mark that's very hard to turn into a period from this distance. We need on-the-ground European member guidance on this one for sure.
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"This is a conflict being fought out within a small and unpopular elite with the total number of those involved never numbering more than tens of thousands (as opposed to hundreds of thousands or millions) and with most of the country looking on from the sidelines." - Da Russophile

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I am of course 100% against the EU obviously. but-

Can somebody tell me what Svoboda is thinking. Do they just hate Russians/Russia so much that they're willing to sacrifice the costs of EU membership (complete control by the jew, Turd World immigration, imposition of Cultural Marxist policies ie faggotry, etc.) just so they can be "free" from Russian influence?

Besides their pro-EU stance Svoboda seemed like good people from their platform, the remarks of their leaders. They love Bandera. Come on, these seem like our type of people. A lot of the western Ukrainians fought with the Nazis after all. Do they think they can play the EU for fools? For example, resist the jewish cultural Marxism after they are let in. Or are they blinded by the Russia hate and just don't care?

Asking the more learned members of this region who are more tuned in. Perhaps Serbian you can shed some light on this. Or anybody else, please.

exhibit A of what I loved about Svoboda:

Come on, these are supposed to be our type of people. This is exactly the kind of thing VNN members post.
check it out, more gold here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svoboda_(political_party)

The same guy destroyed a statue of Lenin. It's painful for me to see them fight side by side with McCain, Jews, and other degenerates.



Always keep the big picture in mind and never let emotional stuff like easily exploitable petty nationalisms cloud your thinking.

This is all part of the ongoing struggle between the jewish NWO Axis of Washington-London-Tel Aviv-Brussels and a still somewhat resistant Russia, with the Russians having beaten them in Gerogia Syria and Iran, while they beat Russia in Serbia.

So what if the Western ZOG is currently, for tactical operational reasons, supporting blind chauvinists, they did it in former Yugoslavia in the early 90s with their support of radical Croat elements, even overlooking neo-ustasha groups like HOS ,as long as they aligned with Bosnain muslims to fight against Serbs. The US even supported massive Al Qaeda presence/mujahideen and facilitated Iranian and Saudi arms shipments to Bosnia during that conflict.

The foolish nationalists in Ukraine will unknowingly, at least until it is too late, help in doing the dirty and bloody street work, which is necessary in order to create chaos and break all ties to Moscow. After the weak, and hesitant to act decisively, Ukrianian govt is toppled, (current members will either defect to the opposition as momentum builds, be jailed or killed) well connected local ZOG approved men, with foreign advisors, will cunningly take over in what will cynically be labeled an ' inclusive democratic transitional government of national salvation and unity'.

At first this coalition will be manipulating and riding on the mass euphoria/ tsunami of Ukrainian nationalism/chauvinism, (see situation in Serbia Oct 2000 during US engineered coup which toppled Milosevic, some of the slogans on the streets during these western funded anti Milosevic Otpor protests were also somewhat nationalistic, accusing Milosevic of losing Kosovo and betraying Serbs in Bosnia and Krajina- of course there were high elements of truth in all these charges but that is beyond the point I'm making) then slowly and by degrees you will begin to see some of the more radical nationalists quickly marginalized, and if need be eliminated from the scene physically. Who is going to need them once they have served their purpose? Is Washington going to give them pensions and nice retirement villages?

No one can seriously think that after all the US has invested here and with so much at stake (total control of Ukraine/political/economic/cultural/military-NATO on Russia's border) that they are going to just hand over power to local 'Nazis' and jew haters. The only thing surprising to me is that I have to explain these things to people who one would assume already know this stuff. If WNs are still confused by the happenings in Ukraine well .

Kevin Alfred Strom has a great recent commentry on this whole situation in the Ukraine but I don't know if Alex allows linking to him so I will not. As for Duke, his silence on the issue is deafening.
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It is better. EU is the worst possible option by far.
its a suicide note, if only those idiots realized it.

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Nastia said she saw the protests as a clear battle between a modern European future and one in Russia's dark and overbearing shadow.

there we have it;
"modern" Europa, of the millions of niggers, and just as many arabs, dot-heads and other shitskins,
thats what they fight to join?
Only a psychopath or jew would ever want Kiev to resemble some shithole like London or Paris;
the financial windfall they maybe expect will be shoved up their stupid asses as kikes laugh at them.

if the losers could drop their dead-end Russian hatred they may see a little better past the kosher dazzle rays of "modern" benefits;
when we come to the point when its ok to refer to a once great city like Paris as shithole it now is, it should make it obvious what the EU social engineers have in mind.
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I'd say they're very much better than the jew-backed protestors/agitators.

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What I was saying is that the Ukrainians should have their own independence.

Are they better off becoming a satellite state of either the United States or Russia? I don't think so.
 
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What I was saying is that Ukrainians should have their own independence.

Are they better off becoming a satellite state of either the United States or Russia?

You don't know what you are talking about. In the current climate the issue is not one of having a 'master' rather who that 'master' is going to be. Chose wisely.

If Ukrainians were smart and really cared about their country they would immediately take out jew Arseniy Yatsenyuk. The very fact that this jew, personal friend of jewess Nuland, has a massive podium in front of thousands in Kiev is telling of how low the Ukrainian people have sunk.
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You don't know what you are talking about. The issue is not one of having a master rather who that master is going to be. Chose wisely.

If Ukrainians were smart and really cared about their country they would immediately take out jew Arseniy Yatsenyuk. The very fact that this jew, personal friend of jewess Nuland, has a massive podium in front of thousands in Kiev is telling of how low the Ukrainian people have sunk.


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(Reuters) - Russia's Prime Minister Vladimir Putin said he wants to bring ex-Soviet states into a "Eurasian Union" in an article which outlined his first foreign policy initiative as he prepares to return to the Kremlin as the country's next president.

Putin said the new union would build on an existing Customs Union with Belarus and Kazakhstan which from next year will remove all barriers to trade, capital and labor movement between the three countries.

"We are not going to stop there and are setting an ambitious goal -- to achieve an even higher integration level in the Eurasian Union," Putin wrote in an article which will be published in Izvestia newspaper on October 4.

Putin said last month he would run in the March 2012 presidential election and his current public approval ratings show that he is set to win.

Putin's initiative comes as Russia nears the end of its 18-year-old negotiations to join the World Trade Organization. In the article Putin made no secret of his skepticism about the global trade watchdog.

"The process of finding new post-crisis global development models is moving forward with difficulty. For example, the Doha round (of international trade talks) has practically stopped. There are objective difficulties inside the WTO," he wrote.

In 2009, Putin threw Russia's bid to join the WTO into disarray, saying Russia would instead form the Customs Union with Belarus and Kazakhstan. The new initiative will have to be explained to WTO members.

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Putin, who once called the collapse of the USSR in 1991 "the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the 20th century," said his new project would not resemble the Soviet Union.

"It would be naive to attempt to restore or copy something from the past. However, a stronger integration on a new political and economic basis and a new system of values is an imperative of our era," Putin wrote.

Russia's relationship with its ex-Soviet neighbors has been troubled by trade and political disputes and even armed conflicts such as the 2008 war with Georgia.

Putin said he saw the new union as a supra-national body which would coordinate "economic and currency policy" between its members. It would also be open to new members.

Putin said that the Customs Union would expand to take in Central Asian republics of Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan. He also made a veiled criticism of Ukraine which chose to stay outside the union citing its commitment to European integration.

Some of Russian's neighbors were unwilling to commit to integration because this appeared to contradict their decision to build ties with Europe.

But this was a wrong choice, he wrote. He argued that the Customs Union and in future the Eurasian Union would be the European Union's partner in talks over the creation of a common economic space, guaranteeing its members a stronger voice.

"Membership in the Eurasian Union, apart from direct economic benefits, will enable its members to integrate into Europe faster and from a much stronger position."

Putin wrote that he saw the way out of the global crisis through a regional integration, mentioning the European Union, Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation, the North American Free Trade Agreement and the Association of Southeast Asian Nations as examples.

"These 'bricks' can assemble into a more stable global economy," Putin wrote.

(Reporting by Gleb Bryanski; Editing by Myra MacDonald)

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What we are witnessing is two economic cell blocks or unions carving up the nation of Ukraine.

One is the United States through the European Union as proxy and the other is Russia with it's desired goal of a created Eurasian Union.

End of the story.
 
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Russia's Prime Minister Vladimir Putin said he wants to bring ex-Soviet states into a "Eurasian Union" in an article which outlined his first foreign policy initiative as he prepares to return to the Kremlin as the country's next president.
I am not an advocate of Putin nor do I support this project, that said this just may be a transitional temporary and necessary evil in these dark times of the globally unchallenged unipolar jewish world order.
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