The Alleged "Whiteness" of Ancient Civilizations

Marcus · August 6th, 2012

Recently I've been reading Ben Klassen's material; in doing so, I couldn't help but notice the proclamation of his belief that Whites are and always were the planet's foremost creators of civilization. While I find this idea intriguing, I am not so gullible, and have become powerfully curious regarding such claims.

With that said, can anyone show some real evidence (ie, pictures) which would suggest that the ancient Babylonians, Persians or Indians - just to name a few examples - were, in fact, White people? No selective evidence, please - I'm speaking of typical people; the rule, not the exception.
Furthermore, what solid evidence can be found to support the theory of White influence in the pre-Columbian Americas (ie, Mayan, Incan, etc.)?

I really hope this isn't asking too much. If you feel that it in fact is, then just don't bother posting here.

Anyway, thanks in advance.

Steven L. Akins · August 6th, 2012

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Originally Posted by Marcus

Recently I've been reading Ben Klassen's material; in doing so, I couldn't help but notice the proclamation of his belief that Whites are and always were the planet's foremost creators of civilization. While I find this idea intriguing, I am not so gullible, and have become powerfully curious regarding such claims.

With that said, can anyone show some real evidence (ie, pictures) which would suggest that the ancient Babylonians, Persians or Indians - just to name a few examples - were, in fact, White people? No selective evidence, please - I'm speaking of typical people; the rule, not the exception.
Furthermore, what solid evidence can be found to support the theory of White influence in the pre-Columbian Americas (ie, Mayan, Incan, etc.)?

I really hope this isn't asking too much. If you feel that it in fact is, then just don't bother posting here.

Anyway, thanks in advance.

Not Babylonians or Persians, or Indians per se, but the people who lived in part of what is now called Iran before the Persians - the real Aryans, they were white; their Whiteness is attested to in the lightness of the Persians or Farsi who are partly Aryan in their ancestry. The Scythians were another tribe and their Caucasian racial features have been preserved in mummified form, as have those of the ancient Tocharians who migrated further East into western China.

Marcus · August 7th, 2012

Come on, is that it? Perhaps some Creators could address this?

Angel Ramsey · August 7th, 2012

All that I can say....if you believe in a god. There you go. The majorty are Athiest, here. Make your decisions for yourself.

Marcus · August 7th, 2012

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Originally Posted by Angel Ramsey

All that I can say....if you believe in a god. There you go. The majorty are Athiest, here. Make your decisions for yourself.

I have no idea whatsoever what you're trying to say.

Steven L. Akins · August 8th, 2012

According to Herodotus:

"The Medes were called anciently by all people Aryans; but when Medea, the Colchian, came to them from Athens, they changed their name. Such is the account which they themselves give....Thus Deioces collected the Medes into a nation, and ruled over them alone. Now these are the tribes of which they consist: the Busae, the Paretaceni, the Struchates, the Arizanti, the Budii, and the Magi."

Marcus · August 9th, 2012

It seems as if there indeed is something to this. Very recently came across some excellent videos on Sumer; here's one. Note the ubiquitous blue eyes.

The Sumerians - YouTube

Karl Radl · August 9th, 2012

I don't agree with his arguments or conclusions, but try Arthur Kemp's 'March of the Titans' as that contains sections on the Sumerians and Babylonians.

As for the Indians you appear to be getting confused as nobody has ever claimed all the peoples of India are Aryan, but rather than the Brahmin are the descendants of Aryans (a-la Aryan Invasion Theory). The problem with AIT however is the Indus Valley Civilization, which is yet to be linked to any other civilization be it Aryan or not in the area.

As to the early spread of Aryan civilisations try looking into the Tocharin culture in the Tarim basin. As for detailed answers to your questions I'd suggest going into the vast literature on the subject (mostly in French and German). For a fairly recent English language primer from a nationalist scholar see Jean Haudry's 'The Indo-Europeans'.

Steven L. Akins · August 9th, 2012

Evidence of pre-Arabic Caucasian ancestry in the Near East:

Nuristani girl in Kabul, Afganistan:

Nuristani man from Afghanistan:

The Nuristani people are an ethnic group in Nurestan Province of Afghanistan who speak one of several Nuristani languages. They are sometimes called Kalasha people, though they are not directly related to the Kalash of neighbouring Chitral District in Pakistan. The Nuristanis are a muslim people whose ancestors practiced what was apparently an ancient Indo-European polytheistic Vedic religion, until they were forcibly converted to Islam around the year 1895 by Emir Abdur Rahman Khan. In the mid 1890s, he conducted a campaign in Kafiristan and followed up his conquest with forcible conversions, the region thenceforth being known as Nuristan, the "Land of Light". Non-Muslim religious practices endure today to some degree as folk customs. In their native rural areas, which was referred to by the local Muslims as Kafiristan before the 19th century, they are often farmers, herders, and dairymen.

The Nuristani are distinguished from the Kalash of Chitral by their adoption of Islam and territory within Afghanistan. Like certain other groups in the region, they sometimes exhibit European-like physical characteristic of light hair, eyes, and skin. These physical features have variously been held to be a preservation of characteristics from the initial migration of Indo-Iranian peoples into the region (likely in the 2nd Millennium B.C.).

Remains of a 1,700 year old blonde-haired corpse discovered in a salt mine in what is now Iran:

Jim Harting · August 9th, 2012

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Originally Posted by Karl Radl

For a fairly recent English language primer from a nationalist scholar see Jean Haudry's 'The Indo-Europeans'.

I also recommend this book as a good place to start for beginners.

It is readable, affordable, informative and academically solid. (English edition is a translation from the French original.)

See: http://www.scott-townsend.com for ordering details.

August 6th, 2012	#1
Marcus Banned Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 479	The Alleged "Whiteness" of Ancient Civilizations Recently I've been reading Ben Klassen's material; in doing so, I couldn't help but notice the proclamation of his belief that Whites are and always were the planet's foremost creators of civilization. While I find this idea intriguing, I am not so gullible, and have become powerfully curious regarding such claims. With that said, can anyone show some real evidence (ie, pictures) which would suggest that the ancient Babylonians, Persians or Indians - just to name a few examples - were, in fact, White people? No selective evidence, please - I'm speaking of typical people; the rule, not the exception. Furthermore, what solid evidence can be found to support the theory of White influence in the pre-Columbian Americas (ie, Mayan, Incan, etc.)? I really hope this isn't asking too much. If you feel that it in fact is, then just don't bother posting here. Anyway, thanks in advance.

August 9th, 2012	#8
Karl Radl The Epitome of Evil Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The Unseen University of New York Posts: 3,130	I don't agree with his arguments or conclusions, but try Arthur Kemp's 'March of the Titans' as that contains sections on the Sumerians and Babylonians. As for the Indians you appear to be getting confused as nobody has ever claimed all the peoples of India are Aryan, but rather than the Brahmin are the descendants of Aryans (a-la Aryan Invasion Theory). The problem with AIT however is the Indus Valley Civilization, which is yet to be linked to any other civilization be it Aryan or not in the area. As to the early spread of Aryan civilisations try looking into the Tocharin culture in the Tarim basin. As for detailed answers to your questions I'd suggest going into the vast literature on the subject (mostly in French and German). For a fairly recent English language primer from a nationalist scholar see Jean Haudry's 'The Indo-Europeans'. __________________ Semitic Controversies Last edited by Karl Radl; August 9th, 2012 at 06:04 PM.

August 9th, 2012	#9
Steven L. Akins Banned Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: The Heart of Dixie Posts: 13,170	Evidence of pre-Arabic Caucasian ancestry in the Near East: Nuristani girl in Kabul, Afganistan: Nuristani man from Afghanistan: The Nuristani people are an ethnic group in Nurestan Province of Afghanistan who speak one of several Nuristani languages. They are sometimes called Kalasha people, though they are not directly related to the Kalash of neighbouring Chitral District in Pakistan. The Nuristanis are a muslim people whose ancestors practiced what was apparently an ancient Indo-European polytheistic Vedic religion, until they were forcibly converted to Islam around the year 1895 by Emir Abdur Rahman Khan. In the mid 1890s, he conducted a campaign in Kafiristan and followed up his conquest with forcible conversions, the region thenceforth being known as Nuristan, the "Land of Light". Non-Muslim religious practices endure today to some degree as folk customs. In their native rural areas, which was referred to by the local Muslims as Kafiristan before the 19th century, they are often farmers, herders, and dairymen. The Nuristani are distinguished from the Kalash of Chitral by their adoption of Islam and territory within Afghanistan. Like certain other groups in the region, they sometimes exhibit European-like physical characteristic of light hair, eyes, and skin. These physical features have variously been held to be a preservation of characteristics from the initial migration of Indo-Iranian peoples into the region (likely in the 2nd Millennium B.C.). Remains of a 1,700 year old blonde-haired corpse discovered in a salt mine in what is now Iran: Last edited by Steven L. Akins; August 9th, 2012 at 07:37 PM.

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August 7th, 2012	#3
Marcus Banned Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 479	Come on, is that it? Perhaps some Creators could address this?

August 7th, 2012	#4
Angel Ramsey Banned Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 6,145	All that I can say....if you believe in a god. There you go. The majorty are Athiest, here. Make your decisions for yourself.

August 8th, 2012	#6
Steven L. Akins Banned Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: The Heart of Dixie Posts: 13,170	According to Herodotus: "The Medes were called anciently by all people Aryans; but when Medea, the Colchian, came to them from Athens, they changed their name. Such is the account which they themselves give....Thus Deioces collected the Medes into a nation, and ruled over them alone. Now these are the tribes of which they consist: the Busae, the Paretaceni, the Struchates, the Arizanti, the Budii, and the Magi."