Why aren't White Nationalists able to discuss Hitler with a balanced perspective? - Page 2

Gott · February 6th, 2004

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Originally Posted by norcalnative1971

I'm sure Roehm had A LOT of plans for the males of Germany...plenty of "male bonding," as was happening during the night he was neutralized. Sparta's a good comparison, with plenty of Hershey Autobahn activities.

As for Hitler choosing "the aristocrats and financiers and industrialists" over "the proletariat" (I presume by the latter you mean the working people), that's such a bunch of crap. Germany's working people never had such a good life between 1935 and 1939, and it would have certainly continued had the Bolshevik-Plutocrat Alliance not forced war onto Germany. Hitler took Germany off the Gold Standard, which is perhaps the number one reason, even beyond the Jew issue, that "Hitler had to be destroyed." Hitler's Deutsche Arbeitsfront created a unique partnership between management and workers, and fostered unprecedented production with better living standards than those found in America. And finally, it was the aristocrats, save a few like August Wilhelm, who led the treason parties against Hitler, with von Stauffenberg, the chicken-shit who saved his own ass by walking out, leaving the bomb for Hitler and Germany's high command.

If you hadn't fucking noticed there were quite a lot of VONS in the German high command, buddy. And the Army demanded that Rohm's SA be offed in exchange for their VON support. That is the deal that was cut and there is not one fucking ambiguous thing about it. Goebbels, who was also of the left wing branch of the NSDAP, was almost murdered that same night along with the couple of hundred others who were, and for the same reasons - the deal with the army and to settle inter-party scores. The people on the side of that deal who won are the VONS and all that went with them.

And yeah, the aristocrats were scum who stabbed Hitler and Germany in the back repeatedly. That is my entire fucking point in saying it was an awful mistake to off Rohm and his organization in exchange for the very dubious support of a bunch of aristocrats who always hated Hitler and the truely egalitarian ideals for which he and his party stood. Get it yet?

And thanks for the lesson about how great the German worker had it. When people ask me what I am, I say National Socialist. I know all about that stuff, thanks, and Robert Ley, and the great vacations and all the other great things. As far as I am concerned the last time life was worth living was between 1933-1945, in Germany. That however, has not one fucking thing to do with this.

And, as to Rohm's plans for the males of Germany, sorry but I'm not interested in the National Enquirer school of history. I suppose that by the same reasoning, Goebbels' plans for the males of German was to have movie star mistresses, or Bormann's was to have double families, or Goring's that they all be narcotics addicts? Speculation is so very kike. You can get anything to add up to just anything you want to that way. All I am interested in proven or provable fact, not gossip.

And anyway, I don't give a piss about anyone's private life - one of the things about the jewed world we live in that most disgusts me is that in it, no one has a private life - there is no privacy and there is no dignity. Besides, my argument was, and is, based on one thing: the way it wound up being played by Hitler, Germany lost the war and in losing it, my cultural identity was destroyed and soon my civilization and culture and even race will be extinct. And maybe if he had told the VONS to shove it and turned the SA into the official military of Germany it would have ended differently. And, I believe thinking exactly like Hitler, if that meant that Rohm fucked a few butts or Goring snorted plenty of coke...SO WHAT.

And about Rohm's sex life...maybe you better take it up with the Fuhrer who did everything but fucking crawl in begging Rohm to come back to Germany from Bolivia to lead that SA. I suppose then they must have both had 'plans' for the males of Germany, hehehe.

I believe Lutze was killed in a partisan ambush in Russia in 43 or 44 and was the highest-ranking guy to be so offed.

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Gott · February 6th, 2004

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Originally Posted by Ghost of Dr. Pierce

Hitler's biggest mistake?

Not getting the a-bomb first, as stated in the History Channel documentary:

Had Hitler taken more care in protecting the advanced weaponry that German scientists developed - such as V-2 rockets, cruise missiles (buzz-bombs) the ME-262 jet fighter, and....lastly, the a-bomb, he could have, at the very least, drawn a stalemate between the Reich and the Allies.

Only Hitler didn't.

He lost the war.

We must forget him, and move on.

FORGET the Fuhrer? Surely you joke. He's the greatest man in the history of the west since the enlightenment, and maybe since the fall of the Roman Empire. Everything he stood for was right and good - he will never be forgotten and with the passing of time more and more will come to see just how right he was.

Like so many Germans in that virtually hopeless struggle - he was great on principles but awful at strategy. Germany wasted a fortune on the extremely ineffective V-2 rocket program when putting a fraction of that money into extremely effective submarines (at the start of the war - and with the new giant diesels ready to come on line toward it's end) might well have forced a British compromise peace. Speculation on Rocket Ships is for peacetime, not the desperation of a war of extinction. And so said the history channel, eh? Well, the history channel is shit, in case you haven't noticed. How are their 'documentaries' on German atrocities lately - balanced and objective? That's the history channel.

But anyway, hindsight is pretty neat and easy too. It's no sweat at all to see the mistakes of the past from a goodly distance, but real easy to make them without the benefit of that hindsight.

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Mike Jahn · February 7th, 2004

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Originally Posted by Gott

FORGET the Fuhrer? Surely you joke. He's the greatest man in the history of the west since the enlightenment, and maybe since the fall of the Roman Empire. Everything he stood for was right and good - he will never be forgotten and with the passing of time more and more will come to see just how right he was.

Hitler should not be forgotten but the "Hitler was God-like" vibe that too many White Nationalists send out feels weird to a lot of people who might be influenced if the arguments in favor of Nazi doctrine were voiced in a "Goebbels said this or Rosenberg said that" instead of always going to back to the name "Hitler" over and over again. There were Nazis/Fascists in almost every European country during the 1920's and 1930's..don't we focus too much on Hitler?? Look at all of the Fascists that get overlooked...French writer Ferdinand Celine was writing great Anti-Semitic articles in the late 1930's yet your average Nazi/White power person has never even heard of him. Fascism was a popular system....people today want systems and ideologies, not one man is God..or this man shall lead us to the promise land....we should stop treating Hitler as our Aryan Moses because it alienates many potential supporters....we need to point out the virtues of the Fascist/Nazi SYSTEM.

LindaLou · February 9th, 2004

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Originally Posted by Ghost of Dr. Pierce

Hitler's biggest mistake?

Not getting the a-bomb first, as stated in the History Channel documentary:

Had Hitler taken more care in protecting the advanced weaponry that German scientists developed - such as V-2 rockets, cruise missiles (buzz-bombs) the ME-262 jet fighter, and....lastly, the a-bomb, he could have, at the very least, drawn a stalemate between the Reich and the Allies.

Only Hitler didn't.

He lost the war.

We must forget him, and move on.

Screw the History Channel!!!
It's nothing but a KIKE RAN OPERATION!!!!!!
Anyone that is white that takes that garbage serious needs to have their head examined!

Whirlwind · February 9th, 2004

With all due respect Otto Remer, how do you explain the virtues of fascist/Nazi system without mentioning Hitler? Those terms are just as scary to most. I find it more effctive to start to undo the brainwashing by exposing sheep to Hitlers writing. It is quite simple to show he is not the raving madman he is portrayed as. Once they have grasped that, I start in with the politics. They seem to have a more open mind to other topics I bring to their attention.

Mike Jahn · February 10th, 2004

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Originally Posted by Whirlwind

With all due respect Otto Remer, how do you explain the virtues of fascist/Nazi system without mentioning Hitler? Those terms are just as scary to most. I find it more effctive to start to undo the brainwashing by exposing sheep to Hitlers writing. It is quite simple to show he is not the raving madman he is portrayed as. Once they have grasped that, I start in with the politics. They seem to have a more open mind to other topics I bring to their attention.

I'm not saying that we shouldn't mention Hitler, but if we could start off by presenting a very large worldview and people find a great deal of it which seems truthful and reasonable to them, they would perhaps then listen to our arguments later on about Hitler. In placing Hitler slightly in the background I don't feel that it compromises our beliefs at all..many in the White Nationalist movement have started suggesting becoming Anti-Hitler and this pleases only the Jews and makes us look like cowards so I'm very opposed to selling out like that. I have a funny saying about the impact of Anti-Hitler rhetoric..everytime a person bashes Hitler, somewhere on Earth a Jew starts masturbating....

February 10th, 2004

Uncle Wolf was definitely a genius, and a rare kind of genius: the kind that gets out there and does something risky and worthwhile. Whenever we mention the Kike Question, what we say can be find in My Struggle; we are merely iterating it and providing newer examples. Whenever we talk about politics, that can be found in My Struggle too. Truly, it deserves to be called the "nationalist Bible."

I haven't seen any exaggerated focus on Hitler. Mostly nationalists seem to avoid talking about him, since he has been so demonized, and when he is mentioned, half of the comments are denounciations. I say, either you speak honestly about him or not at all; if someone thinks his memory is too demonized to save, he should shut up and speak of other fascists rather than pretend to be against Hitler. (not saying that anyone here has so far denounced Hitler)

Uncle Wolf made one huge mistake: he lost. That's the one thing the masses can never forgive in a leader or an ideology. Look how communism is treated, by comparison: that insane, hellish tyranny is treated well not mainly because the media all favor it, but because it took over half of Europe. www.hitler.org has a good quote by Nietzsche about why people are so quick to turn against their former leaders after a defeat: they want to be on the winning side, of course.

Similarly: the Confederate States of America lost a war, and that's why most people couldn't care less how just the Confederate cause was, no matter how many books and articles are written about it. They don't want to defend the losing side.

I remember teaching my ex-girlfriend about nationalism. Even after she knew the important facts and embraced the nationalist cause she felt the same dark shadow looming over Hitler's name. I told her that yes, oddly I feel the same thing, even though both she and I intellectually understood that he was a great man. Rare, however, is the individual who gives reason a fair hearing in spite of the feelings planted in him by others. I fear that Uncle Wolf will remain a hard sale for some time still, even though he stands way above 99 percent of his berators in integrity, intelligence and morality.

Whirlwind · February 11th, 2004

O.R.: When I have started by teaching the reality of N.S., they still wind up with a weak spot where A.H. is concerned. Since his own writing absolves him of charges of lunacy, that dispels the evil from the evil empire. If I show the biggest boogeyman to be the biggest lie, they don't have that nagging "yeah, but what about Hitler" thought lurking in the shadows. Dispel the big lie. All the other lies are smaller, therefore more easily dispelled. Try to get them to read the first chapter of Mein Kampfe. Print out a few pages or quotes so they don't get scared by the book itself. Rational minds will see the truth and the mask will be violently torn off the lie. Let them absorb this before proceeding. A friend of mine compares it to rich food- feed it to them too quickly and they may just puke it back up. I have a hard time restaining myself when I see their mind make that corner.
To each his own. Whatever works for you. You appear way more comfortable with teaching the ideology than I am. Comfort with your topic puts listeners at ease. By whatever route, CHARGE!

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February 9th, 2004	#25
Whirlwind Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: S.E.PA Posts: 1,626	With all due respect Otto Remer, how do you explain the virtues of fascist/Nazi system without mentioning Hitler? Those terms are just as scary to most. I find it more effctive to start to undo the brainwashing by exposing sheep to Hitlers writing. It is quite simple to show he is not the raving madman he is portrayed as. Once they have grasped that, I start in with the politics. They seem to have a more open mind to other topics I bring to their attention.

February 10th, 2004	#27
Fredrik Haerne Guest Posts: n/a	Uncle Wolf was definitely a genius, and a rare kind of genius: the kind that gets out there and does something risky and worthwhile. Whenever we mention the Kike Question, what we say can be find in My Struggle; we are merely iterating it and providing newer examples. Whenever we talk about politics, that can be found in My Struggle too. Truly, it deserves to be called the "nationalist Bible." I haven't seen any exaggerated focus on Hitler. Mostly nationalists seem to avoid talking about him, since he has been so demonized, and when he is mentioned, half of the comments are denounciations. I say, either you speak honestly about him or not at all; if someone thinks his memory is too demonized to save, he should shut up and speak of other fascists rather than pretend to be against Hitler. (not saying that anyone here has so far denounced Hitler) Uncle Wolf made one huge mistake: he lost. That's the one thing the masses can never forgive in a leader or an ideology. Look how communism is treated, by comparison: that insane, hellish tyranny is treated well not mainly because the media all favor it, but because it took over half of Europe. www.hitler.org has a good quote by Nietzsche about why people are so quick to turn against their former leaders after a defeat: they want to be on the winning side, of course. Similarly: the Confederate States of America lost a war, and that's why most people couldn't care less how just the Confederate cause was, no matter how many books and articles are written about it. They don't want to defend the losing side. I remember teaching my ex-girlfriend about nationalism. Even after she knew the important facts and embraced the nationalist cause she felt the same dark shadow looming over Hitler's name. I told her that yes, oddly I feel the same thing, even though both she and I intellectually understood that he was a great man. Rare, however, is the individual who gives reason a fair hearing in spite of the feelings planted in him by others. I fear that Uncle Wolf will remain a hard sale for some time still, even though he stands way above 99 percent of his berators in integrity, intelligence and morality.

February 11th, 2004	#28
Whirlwind Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: S.E.PA Posts: 1,626	O.R.: When I have started by teaching the reality of N.S., they still wind up with a weak spot where A.H. is concerned. Since his own writing absolves him of charges of lunacy, that dispels the evil from the evil empire. If I show the biggest boogeyman to be the biggest lie, they don't have that nagging "yeah, but what about Hitler" thought lurking in the shadows. Dispel the big lie. All the other lies are smaller, therefore more easily dispelled. Try to get them to read the first chapter of Mein Kampfe. Print out a few pages or quotes so they don't get scared by the book itself. Rational minds will see the truth and the mask will be violently torn off the lie. Let them absorb this before proceeding. A friend of mine compares it to rich food- feed it to them too quickly and they may just puke it back up. I have a hard time restaining myself when I see their mind make that corner. To each his own. Whatever works for you. You appear way more comfortable with teaching the ideology than I am. Comfort with your topic puts listeners at ease. By whatever route, CHARGE!