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May 29th, 2007 | #21 |
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White nationalism is largely undefined
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The White nationalism that is being built now is looking at the lessons of the past. see www.europeanamericansunited.org They have a Constitution and democratic mechanism to elect leaders and even vote on who is allowed to continue as a member (to get rid of defectives and infiltrators when they are found out). Certainly it makes sense to look at past mistakes and we are doing that. I think that what ideology we have is coherent -- namely, economic relocalization and home education of children. We have ideology over what we control, and what we don't control, well, what's the point? But what of your "armed proletariat?" Who is a member of the proletariat? Is it black rabble? The toothless meth tweaker who took down my huge oak trees? The working class people I know are only interested in their next experience of physical pleasures. The only people I know who care about their community and the future are the "petit bourgeouis," and Trotsky hated the "petit bourgeouis" the most of all. Is your Marxism-Leninism different from Trotsky-ism? |
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First of all on this concept of 'race', which amounts to a lot in place like America(despite the history of various white groups like Irish, Italians, and Poles being abused for decades), but means very little in Europe. Racialists may be right when they talk about genetic links, but their definition of race is not easily observable, exploding any myth of "racial consciousness" in the past. Plus, many Jooz would have to be considered 'white' by those standards as well- and you know these guys don't like this. I made an analysis of White Nationalism's problems with history for the Phora, I'll have to dig it up though.
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I did a critique of an article they had on my blog: http://rationalred.blogspot.com (it is the first post, in April I believe) Quote:
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Trotskyism is the distortion of Marxism-Leninism. It is basically reformist, but when success is on the horizon it takes on an ultra-left character to criticize the Communist movement 'from the left'. Its basic ideas are at odds with reality. First, take permanent revolution: Trotskyites basically saw the Russian proletariat and peasantry has helpless, and basically believed that the people who carried out the revolution should have sat around and waited for revolutions in Western Europe before they could begin to construct socialism. It is true that because of the development of society at the time, they could not go directly over to socialism, Lenin solved this with the NEP. Second, the idea that socialism can only be built when there is abundance. When would such a situation occur? Socialism must be built and it can be built in one country(as Stalin proved) while supporting revolution everywhere. The other problem with permanent revolution is that not every country has a revolutionary situation at the same time. To encourage revolutions at the wrong time and place only harms the workers movement.
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Slovjanski is a communist who thinks the only hope for whites is communist revolution. Then again I don't think he really cares about the white race anyway. His habitat is the phora which is his home and he mostly posts there. He used to be a racist and posted here and on SF. His sig expresses a strong desire to be banned and we should grant his request to be banned and do it.
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Slovjanski appears to be one of those intellectual communist sympathizers that see themselves in the upper echelons of the party, being driven around in the swank ZIL limousine and owning the peaceful dacha in the countryside. The one thing these types never see themselves doing is standing in the bread line for hours and living in depressing concrete monstrosities.
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Slovyanski has corrupted my nice thread.
I have a nice Communist solution for human pollution Commies like himself, 25 years каторга in the Kubaka gold mines near Magadan. Proletarian work for the ideals of Marxist Leninism right comrade? I put that dirty piece of trash on ignore. Here's a nice video of typical Russian scenes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5tGClg0xUA |
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Very good find, that was the dreary reality of Slovjanski’s praised socialism. I have read that they built so many of these ugly housing bunkers in East Germany that even the wealthy West German tax payer can not afford to tear all of them down, and that’s just the ones which have been abandoned. These tasteless, soulless communist fucks permanently destroyed wide swaths of land that will not recover until geologic erosion carries away the ugly shit they built.
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Historian John Lukash said "as in the 20th century, the deciding factor was that the Americans spoke English, so the deciding factor in the 21st century will be that Russians are white." I enjoy the debate between Kievsky and Slovanski, but I have to say I don't think another communist revolution will solve anything. Communism is, I think, falling to its racial roots...the overthrow of white civilization by the colored races...since the european communist states collapsed (and were in power only because the Red army brought them in). I think the blacks and hispanics are easily lured into a socialist system and a communal world. My experience with reds in America (and I've known a few) is that they use the minorities as the spearhead for revolution. Like Pierce said, on college campuses, the blacks are the muscle used by Jews. I think that racial base of communism is apparent, despite what Slovanski may think. The only force stronger than it is Islam, and it would be wild seeing capitalism fall and Islam and a new form of communism go at each other. As for the architecture in communism...yeah, it's a corruption of heroic/futuristic style. Cement blocks are 'modern' and 'progressive'. Read Tom Wolfe on architecture. In Berlin, the imperial palace was damaged by bombs in WWII, a beautiful form built by Schinkel, but the reds tore it down on purpose to put up a piece of junk that now is so abestoes ridden it can't be used. But of course, any attempt to rebuild the palace is seen as 'bourgeois'. Communism is a form of mental suicide for the west, a self-induced stroke.
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Of course i'm no expert on Russia, but i'm willing to be that the neo-nazi stuff is just a fad among a small % of the population. |
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i know you are dumb, but you can't be that dumb? Surely you know that what Hitler wrote & Spoke about is not a matter of speculation. The only speculation is how much of a phenomenon the Skinhead situation is in Russia, lol.
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He never ever stated that Russia was inferior to Germany. he did have a problem with the jewish leaders there. There is not one speech of his that you can site nor does it state that in Mein Kampf. As for Goebbels, in his writings "Bolshevism Unmasked", he exposes the Jewish phenomena with communism. Secondly Leon Degrelle, in a videotaped interview expresses clearly that the nazis had a vision of europe as thus,Western Europe as her cultural hub, Central Europe as her economic and administrative hub and Eastern Europe as her future. Thirdly the SS ranks were filled with Europeans from all over Europe including but not limited to, an Islamic (not arabic) SS and an SS division filled with Slavs!
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I am proposing a rule if one wants to further debate Communism- you on the racialist side need to decide if you want to be materialists or idealists. What I mean is- if you're going to bitch about Communism, don't start bitching about lack of consumer goods or nonsense like that- because most of you live in the strongest, most powerful country in the world right now- yet you spend 99% of your time bitching about it. Either you are materialists, who love lots of consumer goods(which you have mostly thanks to China), or you fight for some ideal beyond that, as most racialists claim. Furthermore, I would point out that the economic problems of the East Bloc were due to political and economic reforms introduced by Khruschev and imposed on every other East Bloc nation but Yugoslavia(Khruschev was in some ways copying the Titoite "self-management" ideas), and Albania(Albania followed real Marxist-Leninism and became self-sufficient). This meant that capitalism was more or less restored as far back as the early 60's, and what happened in 1991 was merely stripping the pretenses away from what had become an inefficient system. If you look at Albanian and Chinese publications from the 60s, you will see evidence that the Soviet Union was indeed capitalist in all but name.
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Communism is indeed not racial, but nor does it aim at the elimination of 'race'(itself an arbitrary concept). Communism is about self-determination for all people, and an equality of nations which means that they don't exploit each other.
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1. Nearly all Soviet workers had state-funded dachas for vacations. 2. If you want to talk about standing in line for bread- your talking about the revisionist state-capitalism. I will not defend that betrayal of Marxism-Leninism.
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