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[Fico]

Originally Posted by BRMC

Why would they destroy synagouges then? That is some strange love???

Some pro-nazi people with jewish ancestry 1/4 were accepted as Aryans and they are declared as " honorary Aryans" and changed regligion as in Germany their generals with some kind of jewish ancestry but offical policy had been against jews. Also on pictures are alliance propaganda as in Auswitz through false pictures some you can see that they are obviously false.

Originally Posted by Serbian

Why would this (((SF Russia))) Croat want to see Putin mutilated Gaddafi style? What has Putin done to Croats?

He is direct threat not just for Croats than for all western Europe and Croatia is on door of west. Russian soliders are total animals without discipline in fact,soliders who raped German womans have their progeny in today Russia. SF Russians want to live normal in white civilized world with alll states and fight against white enemies. Putin want what Stalin did not sucess. All post-communsit states centralized in Moscow with big government and poor wages.

[Dominus]

Originally Posted by BRMC

Why would they destroy synagouges then? That is some strange love???

It is obvious that you don't know really much about ustashes, or pretending to don't know. Either way let me inform you a little bit.

Let's begin with this amazing excerpt from Hannah Arendt's famous book Eichmann in Jerusalem:

The Ustase's "Honorary Aryans"

Author Hannah Arendt on the destruction of Croatia's Jewish Community, and the manner in which "assimilated" Jews lingered on until rather late in the war in Zagreb.


The great body of middle class Jews, so characteristic of Western and Central Europe, did not exist in the East; in its stead we find a thin layer of upper-middle-class families who actually belonged to the ruling classes and the degree of whose assimilation - through money, through baptism, through inter-marriage - to Gentile society was infinitely greater than that of most Jews in the West.

Among the first countries in which the executors of the Final Solution were confronted with these conditions was the puppet state of Croatia, in Yugoslavia, whose capital was Zagreb. The Croat government, headed by Dr. Ante Pavelic, very obligingly introduced anti-Jewish legislation three weeks after its establishment, and when asked what was to be done with the few dozen Croat Jews in Germany, it sent word that they 'would appreciate deportation to the East.' The Reich Minister of the Interior demanded that the country be judenrein by February, 1942, and Eichmann sent Hauptsturmfuhrer Franz Abromeit to work with the German police attache in Zagreb.

The deportations were carried out by the Croats themselves, notably by members of the strong fascist movement, the Ustashe, and the Croats paid the Nazis thirty marks for each Jew deported. In exchange, they received all the property of the deportees. This was in accordance with the Germans' official 'territorial principle,' applicable to all European countries, whereby the state inherited the property of each murdered Jew who had resided within it boundaries, regardless of his nationality.

...The original deadline of February, 1942, could not be met, because Jews were able to escape from Croatia to Italian-occupied territory, but after the Badoglio coup Hermann Krumey, another of Eichmann's men, arrived in Zagreb, and by the fall of 1943 thirty thousand Jews had been deported to the killing centers.

Only then did the Germans realize that the country was still not judenrein. In the initial anti-Jewish legislation, they had noted a curious paragraph that transformed into 'honorary Aryans' all Jews who made contributions to 'the Croat cause.' The number of these Jews had of course greatly increased during the intervening years. The very rich, in other words, who parted voluntarily with their property were exempted.

Even more interesting was the fact that the S.S. Intelligence service had discovered that nearly all members of the ruling clique in Croatia, from the head of government to the leader of the Ustashe, were married to Jewish women. The fifteen hundred survivors among the Jews in this area - five per cent, according to a Yugoslav government report - were clearly all members of this highly assimilated, and extraordinarily rich, Jewish group.

And since the percentage of assimilated Jews among the masses in the East has often been estimated at about five per cent, it is tempting to conclude that assimilation in the East, when it was at all possible, offered a much better chance for survival than it did in the rest of Europe.

"There was very little real ideological anti-Semitism in Croatian history. In fact, one of the key founders of the Ustasha Movement, Josip Frank, the successor to Starcevic in The Party of Rights, was an Austro-Hungarian Jew. This is another fact that is suppressed in historical accounts of Croatia and the Ustasha Movement. Josip Frank was a convert to Roman Catholicism but was by birth Jewish. The Ustasha were also known as Frankists or Frankovci because they followed Frank’s virulently racist and anti-Serbian and anti-Orthodox and anti-Semitic ideology that began with Ante Starcevic. Starcevic, the founder of the Ustasha Movement and of modern Croatian nationalism, was actually half-Serbian Orthodox on his mother’s side.

...

"The Ustasha Movement had its origins in Starcevic’s Croatian Party of Rights (Hrvatska Stranka Prava, HSP). The HSP broke up in 1908. Pavelic joined a splinter group lead by Josip Frank. The Frankist group was regarded as the “pure” Party of Rights, the most extremist and right-wing faction."

"Ante Pavelic rose through the ranks of the Party of Right after the incorporation of Croatia into the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes, later to be renamed Yugoslavia. He led the far right-wing of what was already a right-wing party - the "Frankist" faction, so named after Josip Frank, a singularly intolerant man despite his ethnic background as an assimilated Jew.

...

"From the beginning, Pavelic had quite naturally adopted Starcevic and Frank's ideology for his own movement. As with the Italian Fascists, the Ustase was at its origins xenophobic, and author Stella Alexander's description of some articles in the Croatian Catholic press from this time as "unpleasantly anti-Semitic but in a traditional, pre-Hitlerian way" fits the Ustase as well. Ante Pavelic's own wife, Mara Lovrencic, came from a family of assimilated Viennese Jews, and his chief aide in exile, Dido Kvaternik, was related to Josip Frank. "

Was Josip Frank the Michael Savage of his times?


In all fairness, the future Communist dictator Josip Broz Tito had his Jewish contacts as well:

"Broz spent the next five and a half years at Lepoglava, a former monastery and university, converted by the Hapsburgs into a prison for not a few Croatian revolutionaries. The guards largely left him alone, free to commiserate with other prisoners. It was at Lepoglava that he met Mosa Pijade, a Serbian Jew. Mosa had been a Communist only slightly longer than he'd been a prisoner. He tutored Josip Broz in Marxist dialectics. "

From a pro-Croatian site that defends Ustasha against war-crime accusations:


Jews and the racial laws

"Like all areas occupied by the Germans, the Gestapo and SD units of the SS were active in Croatia. The heavy toll of Jews, as well as Croatian Catholics and Moslems, was surely taken. Although the Croatian government posted the racial laws required of them by Germans, Jews were on many occasions assisted by the Croatian people and Croatian laws. One such law redefined the German racial laws in such a way as to allow hundreds of Jews and children of mixed marriages to escape the Nazis. Another law granted full citizenship to those who had excelled in their "service to the Croatian State." (15)

"The reason for this law became apparent when noting the number of Jews who were counted among Croatia's leaders and statesmen. An interesting note in this regard is Slavko Kvaternik. Marsal Kvaternik, married the daughter of Josip (Joshua) Frank, the Jewish successor to Dr. Ante Starcevic as the leader of Pavelic s party. Therefore, not only was the wife of Ante Pavelic, the Chief-of-State, Jewish, but the wife of the vice-president and Chief of the Armed Forces, police forces, and gendarmes was also a Jew. Slavko Kvaternik's son, Col. Eugen Kvaternik, Ustasa commissioner for Public Order and Security was, according to both German and Judaic law, a Jew.

"Other prominent Jews in the Ustasa leadership included the Ustasa Representative to Hungary Alexander Klein, Vlado Singer of the Ustasa Police, and Pavelic's personal physician. In addition to the families of Dr. Pavelic and Marshal Kvaternik, the wife of Minister Zanic was also a Jew. Hundreds of other Jewish leaders and officials were made "honorary Aryans," a practice that the Germans looked upon as quite serious. W. H. Allen, in his book, The Destruction of the European Jews, noted that: (German Police Attache- SS-Obersturmbannfuehrer) "Helm added that the problem of honorary Aryans was admittedly unsolved; some of them were still holding office." Helm remarked that quite a few Croat leaders had strong family ties with Jews and that "some cabinet members had Jewish wives."(16)

http://www.churchinhistory.org/pages...oatia(n)-3.htm

"In 1941 the NDH leadership, under German domination, promulgated Nazi-type racial laws. But a picture of the Ustasha, including Pavelic, being personally anti-Jewish in the Nazi sense should not be accepted uncritically. Many facts challenge this picture:

i. The Ustasha were often known as 'Francovi' or 'Frankists' due to the dominance in their political evolution of Dr. Isaiah Frank, a Jew. He became leader of The Party of Right (Law) in 1896, following the death of Starcevic. Dr. Frank became a Catholic, taking the baptismal name of Josip ((EJ 16:917)). Frank was greatly admired and honoured by the Ustasha. Yet, if he had been alive in 1941, the racial laws would have driven him from his profession as a lawyer and ordered him to wear a yellow band.

ii. A Jewish lawyer, Hinko Hinkovic, was amongst the ideological and political leaders of Croatian nationalism ((EJ 16: 917)) and Vlado Singer, a Jewish intellectual, worked for Pavelic's election to parliament in 1927 ((MTA 125)).

iii. The Ustasha was not greatly interested in the Jews prior to the outbreak of the war ((SSJ 19: 22)). Their hatred was centred on the Serbs.

iv. Pavelic (as Chief of State) and Milovan Zanic (as President of the Legislative Committee) jointly signed the 1941 decrees concerning Jewish and Serbian property ((RL 606-627)). Yet both had Jewish wives ((MR 69)). According to Nazi ideology, the lives of these wives and their 'mischling' children were under threat.

v. Slavko Kvaternik who proclaimed Croatian independence on 10th April 1941, and became Commander of the Armed Forces and Pavelic's deputy, also had a Jewish wife ((IO 21-22)).

vi. Eugen (Dido) Kvaternik was appointed Director of Public Security. Being the son of Slavko he was therefore half Jewish.

...

xiv. The anti-Jewish laws promulgated by the NDH were implemented in the German zone only, not in the Italian ((RH 456)).

xv. It was easier for the Jews to survive in Croatia as compared with Serbia, because of the Italian zone. Also, the establishment of an 'independent' Croatia, not under direct German military administration, gave many the time to escape to Italy or into the mountains.

xvi. Jews were still holding official positions in Croatia, including senior ones within the Ustasha command, as late as 1944 ((RH 457)).

In this 1995 interview, an editor of neo-Ustashe newspaper* confirms the claims made on this thread:

* "Dr. Srecko Psenicnik, a former Ustashe official and Dr. Ante Pavelic's son-in-law, married to his younger daughter, Marija-Seka."

...

Will you, as a direct heir to Dr. Ante Pavelic and the president of the HOP, apologize to the Jews in the first homeland issue of "NDH" for everything they went through in NDH?

I think that the Jews fared better in Croatia than in any other European state which was engulfed in the war. Mr. [Simon] Wiesenthal [a "Nazi hunter"] also knows that although he doesn't want to admit it.

There were several Jews in the Croatian government, Poglavnik's wife was of the Jewish origin, as well as the wife of Slavko Kvaternik."

Moreover, the phenomenon of Jewish involvement in extreme Croatian nationalism does not seem to be completely over even today:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/794529/posts

"Holocaust exhibit a breakthrough as Croatia addresses wartime past"

(excerpt)

"The exhibit sparked a small demonstration led by Mladen Schwartz, a Croatian nationalist born to Jewish parents. The motto of the gathering was “Jews out of Croatia.”

Indeed, Mr Mladen Schwartz was actually mentioned in the Psenicnik interview above:

"Although I think that Mladen Schwartz is capable and intelligent, I think that his ideas depart from those of Ante Starcevic [founder of Pravasi in 19th century and "the father of the nation"]."


The Jewish Tribal Review has also heard about him:

"Even recently, in Croatia, "in July 1997, Mladen Schwartz, an individual of Jewish origin and an ultra-nationalist agitator, promoted his book 'Protocols, Jews and Adolf Hitler' in Zagreb's main square. In the book Schwartz poses such questions as 'Why should the Croatian state be in the service of Judeo-lobbyists?'" [INSTITUTE OF JEWISH POLICY RESEARCH, 2001]"

Cardinal Alojzije Stepinac and
saving the Jews in Croatia during the WW2


The Holocaust Martyrs' and Heroes' Remembrance Authority, Jerusalem, or in Hebrew - Yad Vashem, was founded by the Israeli Knesset in 1953. Its main objective is not only to keep memory on the Jewish victims of the atrocities of the WW2, but also to keep memory on those brave people (non Jews) who risked their lives to save the Jews throughout Europe. Yad Vashem therefore established a special honour for The Righteous among the Nations.
There are about hundred persons in Croatia who obtained "The Certificate of Honour" and "The Medal of the Righteous" from Yad Vashem in Jerusalem till now. Their names can be seen in "The Honour Wall in the Garden of the Righteous" in Jerusalem.
We would like to mention only a few of these Croatian Righteous:

• rev. Dragutin Jesih, from Scitarjevo near Zagreb, killed during the WW2. The Jews he saved were sent to him by Croatian Archbishop Alojzije Stepinac. Also the local peasants helped to save their lives.
• prof.dr Zarko Dolinar, a well known Croatian intellectual (biologist) working in Switzerland, saved (together with his brother) about 300 Jews.
• dr Mate Ujevic, Croatian lexicographer and writer, editor in chief of the Croatian encyclopedia (1938-1945), who saved his close collaborator and friend Manko Berman from the infamous Jasenovac concentration camp, together with sisters Stefa and Hermina Müller, and took care about their property.
• sisters (nuns) Cecilija and Karitas Jurin.
• Ljubica Stefan, a well known historian (she also risked her life while staying in Belgrade until 1992, when Croatia was already in flames after the aggression of Serbia and the Yugoslav Army; there she managed to prepare in secret her richly documented books about the history of Fascism and anti-Semitism in Serbia during the WW2).

See the list of Croatian Righteous.

There is no doubt that one day the Croatian Archbishop (later the Cardinal) Alojzije Stepinac (1898-1960) will be included into this list. An official request to the Israeli Yad Vashem for the posthumous inclusion of dr Alojzije Stepinac to the list of Righteous has been sent by dr Amiel Shomrony and dr Igor Primorac, now both citizens of Israel. The request has been sent twice, for the first time in 1970, and then in 1994, and both times refused. Bear in mind that only saved Jews and their descendants have the right to nominate candidates to Yad Vashem. Official Jewish organization in Croatia did not send such a request yet. According to solidly based data he saved several hundred Jews during the WW2: either by direct action, or by secret rescripts to the clergymen, including mixed marriages, conversion to Catholicism, as did some Righteous in other European countries (in Greece for instance).

Stepinac most resolutely defended mixed marriages contracted in the Catholic Church. Already in March 1941 he sent a letter to Ante Pavelic where he wrote the following:

...As a representative of Catholic Church, and following my holiest duty, I raise my voice against interference of the state into questions of lawful marriages, that are insolvable, regardless to racial affiliation. There is no state authority having the right to solve these marriages. If it uses physical power, then the state is perpetrating ordinary violence. On the other hand, it is known that also in the highest circles of our state administration there are similar marriages that are insolvable.

He alluded on Pavelic himself, whose wife seems to have been a Jew (Pavelic's mather-in law was Jewish - Ivana Herzfeld), as well as 12 other highest state officials, whose wifes were either Jewish or Serbian, see [Kristo], p. 141, or [Stefan], p. 15 (the Jewish community in Zagreb has no available data).
Kristian Krekovic, a famous Croatian painter, made several portraits of Pavelic. Krekovic's wife was a Jew (Sina Pevner), educated as pianist and polyglot, born in Paris, daughter of outstanding surgeon in Paris. She lived with Kristian Krekovic in Zagreb during the whole period of WWII (information by mr. Anto Cigeljevic). They both left Zagreb and Croatia in 1946 immediately after the humiliating mock trial (that is, soon after the Yugoslav communist rule started), with the status of displaced persons in their passports.
And here is another letter of protest sent by Archbishop Stepinac to Pavelic in July 1941:

As an Archbishop and representative of the Catholic Church I am free to call your attention to some events that touch me painfully. I am sure there will be hardly anyone having the courage to point to them, so it is my duty to do it. I hear from various sides about inhuman and cruel treatment of non-Arians...

Among the Jews that Stepinac managed to save there were also 60 inmates of the Jewish Old People's Home in Zagreb, that the German authorities in Zagreb ordered in December 6, 1943 to leave within 10 days, otherwise they would be sent to a German concentration camp. Upon the request of the members of the Jewish community in Zagreb, Alojzije Stepinac organized their stay in archbishopric's building in Brezovica near Zagreb, of course with the knowledge of the ustasha officials. Archbishop Stepinac often visited them. It is interesting that the inmates stayed there until 1947, while the Archbishop was already in the communist prison since 1946. Five of the inmates died a natural death during this period. It is regrettable that the total number of saved persons is often unjustly reduced to 55, even by the official Jewish sources in Croatia (as was the case in the ``Voice of the Jewish Community in Zagreb'', in an article written by dr Ivo Goldstein).

In the beginning of 1943 the Zagreb Chief Rabbi dr Miroslav Shalom Freiberger accepted an offer of Archbishop dr Alojzije Stepinac and entrusted him his very valuable private library. The Chief Rabbi had been killed in Auschwitz in 1943. He was arrested in 1943, when Himmler himself arrived to Zagreb, dissatisfied with the way the ustasha regime is "solving the Jewish problem" in Croatia. Stepinac immediately sent a request for his liberation to state officials, but without success. It should be noted that Chief Rabbi Freiberger did not accept an offer by Archbishop Stepinac to take refuge on his court until the end of war, since he wanted to share the destiny of his people. The library was returned to the Jewish community in Zagreb after the end of WW2.

Already in the beginning of NDH in 1941, a group 83 outstanding Croatian physicians of Jewish nationality, mostly with their families, were moved to Bosnia, at that time a part of NDH, to be away from the eyes of German Nazists (see [Jasa Romano, pp. 95-99]). Otherwise they would be liquidated. This has been organized by the NDH minister of health, dr Ivan Petric, with the knowledge and approval of highest NDH officials, including Ante Pavelic (see Ha-Kol, 5960/1999, bulletin of the Jewish community in Zagreb, p. 11; the number of 71 saved Jewish families mentioned in Ha-Kol is wrong: there were 83 families, see the aforementioned monograph of Jasa Romano). An important role in saving these Jewish families had prof.dr Ante Vuletic, 1999 Croatian Righteous (awarded posthumously). The role of these physicians in Bosnia was to struggle against infectious diseases, and against endemic syphilis on the first place.


One of the greatest German speaking actresses of the 20th century was a Jew - Tilla Durieux (1880-1971). In 1933 she escaped in front of the Nazis from Germany to Switzerland, and then to the town of Opatija. In 1941 she happened in Serbia, where chetniks killed her husband. She managed to escape to Crotian capital Zagreb, where (during the NDH period) her life had been saved. It is interesting that she collaborated in Kazaliste lutaka (Theatre of Dolls) in Zagreb. She lived in Zagreb until 1955, that is, for about 20 years, and then returned to West Berlin. Tilla Durieux wrote an interesting autobiographic book, and a little known theatre play "Zagreb 1945", which was performed in Luzern in Switzerland. There is a memorial room devoted to her in the Museum of the City of Zagreb. (Glas Koncila, 2. travnja 2000, p. 21).

Dissatisfied with "solving the Jewish problem" in NDH during WW2, Himmler himself arrived to Zagreb in 1943. In an extensive raid that ensued many Jews were transported to Auschwitz. This has been witnessed by dr Amiel Shomrony, now Israeli citizen, personal secretary of rabbi Miroslav Shalom Freiberger. Even Eugen Dido Kvaternik, chief of the ustasha police (his grandfather was Josip Frank - a Jew), sent a secret message to dr Amiel Shomrony (his name in Zagreb was Emil Schwartz) to save himself as he can.

Though it can in no way efface the shame of the ustasha regime, it should be said that the Jewish community in Zagreb was the only one in Europe that acted legally in NDH during the whole WW2 in the period 1941-45 (Tomislavov trg 4).

Only two days after the arrest of Stepinac in 1946 a protest conference was organized by Louis Breier in New York (Bronx), at that time the president of the Jewish community in the USA. He declared:

This great man was tried as a collaborator of Nazism. We protest against this slander. He has always been a sincere friend of Jews, and was not hiding this even in times of cruel persecutions under the regime of Hitler and his followers. Alongside with Pope Pius XII, Archbishop Stepinac was the greatest protector of persecuted Jews in Europe. (my translation from a Croatian source).

His sermons were not allowed to be printed publicly during the NDH period (1941-1945), so that people multiplied and spread them in secret. Glaise von Herstenau, a German Nazi general in Zagreb, declared: "If any bishop in Germany were speaking this way, he would not descend alive from his pulpit!" And when Stepinac visited the Holy See in 1943, he was warned that his life is in danger from the Nazis.

http://www.croatianhistory.net/etf/jews.html


Eugen Kvaternik, Jew who later converted to christianity and one of the creators of the ideology which will be the basis for ustasha movement.


Josip Jozua Frank, another Jew and another founding father (beside Kvaternik) for the ideology, which will be the basis of ustasha movement.


Ivo Korsky (1918-2004), Jewish politician who beside Pavelich is one of the founders of the ustasha ideology.


Vlado Singer
Another Jew from the ustasha leadership.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlado_Singer


Eugen Dido Kvaternik
Another Jew from the ustasha leadership

Other Jews in the high functions of ustasha movement:
-Andrija Betlehem
-Oto Krezimir (chief of the ustasha secret police)
-David Karlovic (member of the ustasha parliament)
-Stipe Mosner
-Mirko Breuer
-Zdenko Vinski https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zdenko_Vinski

Jews in the leadership of the ustasha armed forces:
-Nikola Stajnfel (admiral of the ustasha armed forces)
-Ladislav Aleman (general)
-Rikard Kubin (admiral of the ustasha navy)
-Edgar Angeli (counter admiral of the ustasha navy)
-Julije Fric (general)
-Milan Praunsperger (general)
-Milan Mizler (general)
-Ivo Snur (general)
-Dragutin Helbis (colonel)
-Julio Res (colonel)
-Emanual Balei (colonel)
-Zinko Alabanda (colonel)
-Oton Cus (colonel)
-Ivan Sarnbek (colonel)
-Josip Solc (colonel)
-Rudolf Vaner (colonel)
-Juraj-Djuro Iser (colonel)
-Jozef-Josip Metzger (colonel)
-Julio Sas (colonel)
-Mirko Zgaga (colonel)
-Bozidar Zorn (colonel)
-Kvintijan Tartaglija (colonel)
-Josip Gamberger (lieutenant colonel)
-Dragutin Rubler (lieutenant colonel)
-Ante Altarac (second lieutenant)
-Bruno Dijamantstajn
-Herman Spiler
-Vladimir Bornemisa
-Oskar Kirsbaum
-Rudolf Kraus-Tudic
-Julio Simovic

The main printing house for ustasha media was a Shulhof Printinghouse in Zagreb of the Jewish Shulhof family.

According to many witnesses the Germans were those who forced the cleanse of the Jews in Independent State of Croatia, however the ustasha movement was not helpful in that and they tried to pretend that they are collaborating by cleansing some non-important Jews from the middle-class. But the Jews in the ustasha leadership stayed untouched.

An alarmingly high number of main ustashas were either Jews and/or had Jewish wives. And that is something that present day ustasha supporters try to hide by all means. In theory ustasha movement pretended (for diplomatic purposes with Third Reich) that they are anti-semitic, however in practice they were not. And they where also very pro-Islamic. Their one and only enemy were Serbians.

Originally Posted by BRMC

To me it looks like Yugoslavia was bigger lover of them than anyone else. Sukkat Shalom Synagogue
Serbian: Београдска синагога / Beogradska sinagoga

Yugoslavia was just a para-state on the territory of occupied Serbia.
As about a synagogue. What this prooves exactly? Even Hitler's Germany had some synagogues left, does it mean that they were "Jew-lovers"?

Serbia was actually declared by Third Reich as the first Judenfrei (Jew-free) nation.

Originally Posted by BRMC

Also refering to everyone as kike you do not like cause they do things you do not like is not really that " intelligent "

No. My emotions are totally controlled and I make my decisions and conclusion purely on evidences and logic. No emotions involved. If I call them Kikes then I'm convinced that they are Kikes. Making decisions-conclusions based on love and hate is for the weak minded.

Originally Posted by BRMC

it is like saying every Bolshevik was jew then Tukhacevsky , Budynov and Brusilov were not.

Great majority of the Bolshevik's leadership were actually Jews and there are tons and tons of evidences for that.
David Duke explains it the best in a nutshell.

You Tube

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Also, Putin himself tells this right into the eyes of Kikes.

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[GoldfingerSRB]

Originally Posted by Fico

Average wages in Serbia? This is my rethoric question and thumbs down just kidding me because I do not sell thumbs. So white ideal is criminal state who is ruled by trash whites. Russians and Serbians are hungry but it is better be hungry and living as poor worker than in zog states lol. Unbeliveble anti-western propaganda from poor whites who can not solve their personal lifes but they are experts for westerns. Superior people from superior eastern Europe.

Originally Posted by Fico

He is direct threat not just for Croats than for all western Europe and Croatia is on door of west. Russian soliders are total animals without discipline in fact,soliders who raped German womans have their progeny in today Russia. SF Russians want to live normal in white civilized world with alll states and fight against white enemies. Putin want what Stalin did not sucess. All post-communsit states centralized in Moscow with big government and poor wages.

So you finally state that:

1) we Serbs and Russians are not superior, i.e. you're indirectly hinting about our inferiority

2) Russians are animals

3) SF Russia is okay.

4) Putin is a threat

WTF? Are you seriously writing this and nobody cares? Those kosher Russian Hollywood Nazis deserve to be passed through meat-grinder. Same goes to you.

[Dominus]

Originally Posted by Fico

He is direct threat not just for Croats than for all western Europe and Croatia is on door of west. Russian soliders are total animals without discipline in fact,soliders who raped German womans have their progeny in today Russia. SF Russians want to live normal in white civilized world with alll states and fight against white enemies. Putin want what Stalin did not sucess. All post-communsit states centralized in Moscow with big government and poor wages.

Such a bullshit! Present day Russian army has nothing to do with the subhuman red-army which mostly contained Caucasian and Central-Asian subhumans (that happened simply because more than 50 million white Russians were exterminated by the judeo-communists).
Present day Russian army is a very professional and technologically very advanced (if not the most advanced) army in the world with 10-15 percent non-whites in it. So it's a totally different thing.
You are Croatian and you are afraid that with the fall of judeo-west and with rise of Russian influence the Zionist occupation of Serbia will collapse. And when it happens you will have to give back Serbian Krajina which you occupied to this very day. So that's the real reason why you hate Russia.
These old judeo commies comparison to present Russia is such a weak bullshit propaganda that only kike Poison allows it on his SF-Ukraine section.

Originally Posted by GoldfingerSRB

So you finally state that:

1) we Serbs and Russians are not superior, i.e. you're indirectly hinting about our inferiority

2) Russians are animals

3) SF Russia is okay.

4) Putin is a threat

WTF? Are you seriously writing this and nobody cares? Those kosher Russian Hollywood Nazis deserve to be passed through meat-grinder. Same goes to you.

Fico=Streljnikov.....
He is just playing it safely around here.

[Fico]

Whole propaganda in Independent State of Croatia were anti-jewish. You can see offical Ustasha documents and see what they think about jews on croatian sub-forum who I translated just for stop their childish games in wn formus . This is fabricated piss of shit making in Serbian laboratory where their members want to convice people in iq 80 propaganda that Hitler alliance were jewish alliance while Croats and Germans did not be in good position after ww1 so they prepared revenge where Germans fought against communism and Croats against serbian government full of Freemasons who stop Hitler attack on SSSR on summer because he did not have clean situation on Balkan. You can see Pavelic message for Hitler where he warns Hitler on that. He did not belive them and later he saw that it was truth. Also last battle in Europe in ww2 were in Croatia after Berlin fall: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Od%C5%BEak

Serbian Milan Nedic and Ante Pavelic were in alliance what means that Serbs and Croats were also in alliance including white Russians and I really do not know what "pro-nazi" in fact pro-communist members want. Maybe they rise spirit of their anti-Hitler ancestry who fought for mongrel white nations. Ustasha also have library and modificated books by Starcevich where he have respect for Russian monarhy.

Originally Posted by GoldfingerSRB

Those kosher Russian Hollywood Nazis deserve to be passed through meat-grinder. Same goes to you.

This is exactly what serbian members here want for do to westerns with help of Putin Kill the best goym first because of bad salary and war is only solution as immigrants want to destroy better white nations. This is same tactic from Bolsheviks. NATO had bombed Belgrade so they want destroy America and Americans because of that. Some Americans WN such as William Pierce though that they are some opposition but it is not truth. Whole story about this is eastern and western rivalry.

[GoldfingerSRB]

Originally Posted by Dominus

Fico=Streljnikov.....
He is just playing it safely around here.

It makes sense then. I was wondering why he posts Ustaše video in neighboring croatian part of forum. What real "Slovak" guy would be interested in Pavelic?

[Dominus]

Originally Posted by Fico

Whole propaganda in Independent State of Croatia were anti-jewish. You can see offical Ustasha documents and see what they think about jews on croatian sub-forum who I translated just for stop their childish games in wn formus .

I can see that the whole ustasha ideology was concepted in the mind of some Jews and I also can see that the whole ustasha movement including Pavelic with his wife was full of Jews.

This is fabricated piss of shit making in Serbian laboratory where their members want to convice people in iq 80 propaganda that Hitler alliance were jewish alliance

Nope. We serbian white-nationalists never said that Hitler's Germany was pro-jewish. We just pointed out that he created the Independent State of Croatia (NDH) purely of necessity. He had no choice because the Serbian Prince who made alliance with Hitler, he was exiled thorugh Coup D'etat which was organized by the Brits (and their Jewish leaders).

Serbian Milan Nedic and Ante Pavelic were in alliance what means that Serbs and Croats were also in alliance including white Russians and I really do not know what "pro-nazi" in fact pro-communist members want. Maybe they rise spirit of their anti-Hitler ancestry who fought for mongrel white nations. Ustasha also have library and modificated books by Starcevich where he have respect for Russian monarhy.

Nedic made alliance of necessity because Pavelic started to exterminate the whole Serbian population in NDH, so Nedic bought out tens of thousands of Serbians from Pavelic and saved them from extermination. That's the whole story of Nedic-Pavelic alliance.

Serbian Prince and Hitler



If the British coup of Serbian Prince wouldn't be successful, your "Independent State of Croatia" would not even exist. So you can thank your pure existence to Churchill.

This is exactly what serbian members here want for do to westerns with help of Putin Kill the best goym first because of bad salary and war is only solution as immigrants want to destroy better white nations. This is same tactic from Bolsheviks. NATO had bombed Belgrade so they want destroy America and Americans because of that. Some Americans WN such as William Pierce though that they are some opposition but it is not truth. Whole story about this is eastern and western rivalry.

Not even close. Those so called "nationalists" in Russia who are at the same time supporting the so called "Ukraine" which is Kievan Russia. They are not goyim at all. They are indeed kosher-nationalists sponsored by judeo-western NGO-s and indeed deserve that fate.

[Fico]

Originally Posted by Dominus

We just pointed out that he created the Independent State of Croatia (NDH) purely of necessity. He had no choice because the Serbian Prince who made alliance with Hitler, he was exiled thorugh Coup D'etat which was organized by the Brits (and their Jewish leaders).

Pavelic warned Hitler on that years before. Where Serbian Prince came? In London,center of Freemasonry because serbian noble were freemasons and had their boss in such city.

Nedic made alliance of necessity because Pavelic started to exterminate the whole Serbian population in NDH, so Nedic bought out tens of thousands of Serbians from Pavelic and saved them from extermination. That's the whole story of Nedic-Pavelic alliance.

There do not exist proof for that. I know Serbs who live in Croatia through centuries so if such plans really existed. There will not be Serbs in Croatia. So Nedic were not pro-white,he had been just in alliance because of interests? How many books he have written? I know that Pevelic were high intellectual and can also translate his pro-racial and evolutional opinions.

And when it happens you will have to give back Serbian Krajina which you occupied to this very day. So that's the real reason why you hate Russia.

Croats are good with Serbians. We do not occupied nothing Croats gave wellcome to Serbians where they fleeing from Turks and they for thanks want war against Croatia. I know upper class Serbs who live good and better in Croatia,have more money,nice life,while they in Serbia live hungry with poor wages. So rebelion Serbs were soo dumb but it is better to have normal Serbs than barbarians. You can not win NATO nor Russians can not help you because they did not help where they bombing you. It is better for you that you never see NATO force and I hope that you will never see this because I am afraid for you. Serbs rule in Croatia with party who fought against rebellion Serbs,they really enjoy. Poor states are without EU and better post-communist states in EU. Better clean shit in your own garden and than you can be clever in western forum. This propaganda topic is poor just like post-communist anti-western states are poor with high criminality,drugs,alcohollic etc. I think that you use something of that for write such clever posts because its give you power argumentation.

[Dominus]

Originally Posted by Fico

Pavelic warned Hitler on that years before. Where Serbian Prince came? In London,center of Freemasonry because serbian noble were freemasons and had their boss in such city.

Prince Paul after exile first flee to Greece, later in Johannesburg (South Africa). He was definitely not a Freemason and there is no a single evidence for that. After war his last 22 years he spent in Paris.

There do not exist proof for that. I know Serbs who live in Croatia through centuries so if such plans really existed. There will not be Serbs in Croatia.

No proof? Really...?
Ustashas started to exterminate the whole Serbian civil population in NDH. Men, women, elders and children were slaughtered alike. Almost al of them were slaughtered exclusively with knives and hammers. There are tons of proof indeed.
















In 1991 you repeated the extermination in your old fashion.

So Nedic were not pro-white,he had been just in alliance because of interests? How many books he have written? I know that Pevelic were high intellectual and can also translate his pro-racial and evolutional opinions.

The alliance which I'm talking about was the alliance between him and Pavelic, so don't try to spin my words!

Croats are good with Serbians. We do not occupied nothing Croats gave wellcome to Serbians where they fleeing from Turks and they for thanks want war against Croatia. I know upper class Serbs who live good and better in Croatia,have more money,nice life,while they in Serbia live hungry with poor wages. So rebelion Serbs were soo dumb but it is better to have normal Serbs than barbarians. You can not win NATO nor Russians can not help you because they did not help where they bombing you. It is better for you that you never see NATO force and I hope that you will never see this because I am afraid for you. Serbs rule in Croatia with party who fought against rebellion Serbs,they really enjoy. Poor states are without EU and better post-communist states in EU. Better clean shit in your own garden and than you can be clever in western forum.

Save this bullshit lies to someone who don't have a clue what is the situation in the occupied Serbian Krajina. You are terrorizing those remaining Serbs on daily basis. You don't allow them to work if they have Serbian names, there is almost no chance that a Serbian gets a job in so called Croatia.
And like I said you neo-ustashas are terrorizing those people daily.

Translation: Hang the Serbs on the willow. Put the Russians under the knife.


Translation: In the spring when the willows are prospering, we will make soup out of Serbs.


Translation: Hang the Serbs on the willow.


Translation: Hang the Serbs on the willow.

A pro-ustasha chauvinist calls on cleansing Croatia from serbo-chetnik pest.

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[Fico]

Originally Posted by Dominus

No proof? Really...?
Ustashas started to exterminate the whole Serbian civil population in NDH. Men, women, elders and children were slaughtered alike. Almost al of them were slaughtered exclusively with knives and hammers. There are tons of proof indeed.

Some of them are false pics such as jews in Auswitz and some pics are really funny however I can also put pictures about serbian war criminal but I am going to tell next: Pavelic liquidated un-disciplined Ustashas and they are know as "wild Ustashas". You total blow communist propaganda who tell in Yugoslavia that Ustasa killed 2 million or 700 000 Serbs,what reminds me on jewish 6 million. There do not exist any document about extermination Serbs. Serbs who accepted policy of new state living good some of them were part of Ustashe who I know. We call serbian propaganda about killing and extermination as serbohoax. Also,there is contradiction that Hitler allies have plan to exterminated Serbs while they were in alliance and also why Hitler would allow that? Where fought you ancestors in ww2? Partisans,anti-Hitler chetniks,Nedic chetnicks? I am pretty sure that they do not fought for Hitler as I am sure that Russian members here are progeny of red army soliders. I can just say you that with nationalism of 19. century you are not soo clever because white race will be minority in western Eruope in just three generations while in eastern europe will be exist self-destructive white persions wihtout eugenics and who will be also mongrelized. Rather read some anti-Christian books by american WN than to live in past and dream about attack pre-dominanty white state withh light look who have also Serbians who are racially better than Serbs in your state. Your radicals are Gypsy,your minister Vulin is also gypsy,just look your racial situation in your state with high grow of poor non-white "Serbs" ,hunderts of mosques,who cowardly living their own territory such as in Kosovo for going in north Serbia so Croats are definitely not your first enemy. You are total degenerate balkan nation who want to put balkanization of this forum. Not all Serbs are like you, normal upper class Serbs in Croatia and normal Serbs do not care about your stupidity,they are western oriented. You can not clean mafia in your own state as Russians and you will teach someone about something lol. Do member here how live serbian girls? They become prostitute for low money such as girls in whole eastern europe just because they are poor,in such post-communist states especially in anti-western states exist one mafia and poor white workmen who work for them. How it is possible? Because of Dinaric sub-race who also hace Croats in Bosnia but on Serbia is big concentration of dinaric sub-race who celebrate criminality who are not orginally Slavs than Balkans. Real Serbs still live in Croatia and they are good.

Save this bullshit lies to someone who don't have a clue what is the situation in the occupied Serbian Krajina. You are terrorizing those remaining Serbs on daily basis. You don't allow them to work if they have Serbian names, there is almost no chance that a Serbian gets a job in so called Croatia.
And like I said you neo-ustashas are terrorizing those people daily.

I also hard can find job as many Croats so what? This is just because communist generation still live and they will die for 30 years. I know upper class Serbs who have firms,and fine jobs. If we terrorizing them,why they have three MPs doe not matter about votes? Why Croatia celebrating chetniks (anti-Hitler chetniks) rebelion in Serb?Why Serbs have monuments who fought against Croatia? Why are government of main croatian kosher-konservative party depends about Serbian national minority? Why we had serbian prime minister? Serbs who live in better places live normal and Serbs who live in bad places live as Croats. If they do not feel good in Croatia,why they do not come in Serbia?

A pro-ustasha chauvinist calls on cleansing Croatia from serbo-chetnik pest.

Lol,this is drunk minority who do not have influence in croatian policy. Croats do not have interes to fight against Serbs,relationships in Croatia are good because I know this,Serbs are lawyers,capitalists,professors,many Serbs who living in my area is better class than I and many Croats. Serbia just try to convince them that they must have rebelion while Serbs who are in Serbia live worse than Serbs who live in Croatia.

[Dominus]

Originally Posted by Fico

Some of them are false pics such as jews in Auswitz and some pics are really funny however I can also put pictures about serbian war criminal but I am going to tell next: Pavelic liquidated un-disciplined Ustashas and they are know as "wild Ustashas". You total blow communist propaganda who tell in Yugoslavia that Ustasa killed 2 million or 700 000 Serbs,what reminds me on jewish 6 million. There do not exist any document about extermination Serbs. Serbs who accepted policy of new state living good some of them were part of Ustashe who I know. We call serbian propaganda about killing and extermination as serbohoax. Also,there is contradiction that Hitler allies have plan to exterminated Serbs while they were in alliance and also why Hitler would allow that?

Holohoax is fake and it has nothing to do with the extermination of Serbs in NDH. Don't even try to mix it up because your kosher ustashas were those same kikes (not all but many were kikes) who are crying today about 6 million.
Also, Hitler didn't want to exterminate Serbs but he did not have time nor sources to discipline the ustashas because he was already in war on many fronts. He could not risk an uprising in states which are already under his control. Pavelic knew that and that is why he ordered the extermination of Serbs.

Where fought you ancestors in ww2? Partisans,anti-Hitler chetniks,Nedic chetnicks? I am pretty sure that they do not fought for Hitler as I am sure that Russian members here are progeny of red army soliders.

My ancestors (just like me) were from Krajina and Nedic bought them out (among many other Serbs) from Pavelic so they survived the massacre. Later the male members were in Nedic's army.

I also hard can find job as many Croats so what? I know upper class Serbs who have firms,and fine jobs. If we terrorizing them,why they have three MPs doe not matter about votes? Why Croatia celebrating chetniks (anti-Hitler chetniks) rebelion in Serb?Why Serbs have monuments who fought against Croatia? Why are government of main croatian kosher-konservative party depends about Serbian national minority? Why we had serbian prime minister? Serbs who live in better places live normal and Serbs who live in bad places live as Croats. If they do not feel good in Croatia,why they do not come in Serbia?

Lol,this is drunk minority who do not have influence in croatian policy. Croats do not have interes to fight against Serbs,relationships in Croatia are good because I know this,Serbs are lawyers,capitalists,professors,many Serbs who living in my area is better class than I and many Croats. Serbia just try to convince them that they must have rebelion while Serbs who are in Serbia live worse than Serbs who live in Croatia.

Well, one of my female relatives who still lives there has a degree as a teacher of mathematics. She now tries for fifth year to get a job in some school but she always had the answer that now they don't have a free place. But the interesting thing that almost always the schools where she did go on a job interviews almost always hired someone after her...
And I also has many friends with degrees on different fields who basically are sharing her faith. They can not get a job and after them some Croat is always hired. So please spare me with this "Serbs have the equal chance as I do".
Most of the Serbs there are farmers and they are surviving because they have their land where they can grow crops and raise animals. In public institutions they have no chance to get a job. It's pure chauvinism.

Oh yes, and they don't have to go to Serbia because they are already in Serbia. More precisely Serbian Krajina.

[Fico]

Originally Posted by Dominus

In public institutions they have no chance to get a job. It's pure chauvinism.

Well,they do not want to work. They have communist brain. When you finnished school and giving paper,public sector will employ you. I also can not find job in public sector as many Croats and this is basic example of all post communist states and I heard that similar situation is in Greece. Too big centralized government and too less capitalists because in post-communist society be capitalists is like a be gang. I also do not work in my profession and find lower jobs,jobs exist but some want to work some not. We have too many educated persons in public sector,too big corruption and in Serbia is situation probably worse. I had serbian chief professor in classroom,director in firms,professors so it is not so truth about what you talking because white upper class who are liberals do not care about where people from. Especially in situation where old communists still work in public institutions but with EU we will have only problems with liberalism what is not so bad ideology because it is ideology of upper class but they do not want to help evryone in world.

Oh yes, and they don't have to go to Serbia because they are already in Serbia. More precisely Serbian Krajina.

Fine,so if they live in Serbia it mean that Serbs do not care about their own people. It only exist Serbian chauvinism between Serbs because they have Pupovac and their three votes who hold government so why they can not solve the problem? They convince rebelion Serbs that they will live better and we saw this according to wages how serbian government is powerfull.

[Dominus]

Originally Posted by Fico

Well,they do not want to work. They have communist brain. When you finnished school and giving paper,public sector will employ you. I also can not find job in public sector as many Croats and this is basic example of all post communist states and I heard that similar situation is in Greece. Too big centralized government and too less capitalists because in post-communist society be capitalists is like a be gang. I also do not work in my profession and find lower jobs,jobs exist but some want to work some not. We have too many educated persons in public sector,too big corruption and in Serbia is situation probably worse. I had serbian chief professor in classroom,director in firms,professors so it is not so truth about what you talking because white upper class who are liberals do not care about where people from. Especially in situation where old communists still work in public institutions but with EU we will have only problems with liberalism what is not so bad ideology because it is ideology of upper class but they do not want to help evryone in world.

It has nothing to do with communism or capitalism. It has to do with HDZ who does not allow Serbs to get Jobs in institutions. And my relative is definitely not a communist nor is she lazy. Her only sin is that she's a Serb.

Fine,so if they live in Serbia it mean that Serbs do not care about their own people. It only exist Serbian chauvinism between Serbs because they have Pupovac and their three votes who hold government so why they can not solve the problem? They convince rebelion Serbs that they will live better and we saw this according to wages how serbian government is powerfull.

Pupovac and his party have no influence at all. They are there just that HDZ can show to EU "You see? We are not chauvinists toward Serbs", it's simple as that.

[BRMC]

Originally Posted by Dominus

It is obvious that you don't know really much about ustashes, or pretending to don't know. Either way let me inform you a little bit.

Let's begin with this amazing excerpt from Hannah Arendt's famous book Eichmann in Jerusalem:

The Ustase's "Honorary Aryans"

Author Hannah Arendt on the destruction of Croatia's Jewish Community, and the manner in which "assimilated" Jews lingered on until rather late in the war in Zagreb.


The great body of middle class Jews, so characteristic of Western and Central Europe, did not exist in the East; in its stead we find a thin layer of upper-middle-class families who actually belonged to the ruling classes and the degree of whose assimilation - through money, through baptism, through inter-marriage - to Gentile society was infinitely greater than that of most Jews in the West.

Among the first countries in which the executors of the Final Solution were confronted with these conditions was the puppet state of Croatia, in Yugoslavia, whose capital was Zagreb. The Croat government, headed by Dr. Ante Pavelic, very obligingly introduced anti-Jewish legislation three weeks after its establishment, and when asked what was to be done with the few dozen Croat Jews in Germany, it sent word that they 'would appreciate deportation to the East.' The Reich Minister of the Interior demanded that the country be judenrein by February, 1942, and Eichmann sent Hauptsturmfuhrer Franz Abromeit to work with the German police attache in Zagreb.

The deportations were carried out by the Croats themselves, notably by members of the strong fascist movement, the Ustashe, and the Croats paid the Nazis thirty marks for each Jew deported. In exchange, they received all the property of the deportees. This was in accordance with the Germans' official 'territorial principle,' applicable to all European countries, whereby the state inherited the property of each murdered Jew who had resided within it boundaries, regardless of his nationality.

...The original deadline of February, 1942, could not be met, because Jews were able to escape from Croatia to Italian-occupied territory, but after the Badoglio coup Hermann Krumey, another of Eichmann's men, arrived in Zagreb, and by the fall of 1943 thirty thousand Jews had been deported to the killing centers.

Only then did the Germans realize that the country was still not judenrein. In the initial anti-Jewish legislation, they had noted a curious paragraph that transformed into 'honorary Aryans' all Jews who made contributions to 'the Croat cause.' The number of these Jews had of course greatly increased during the intervening years. The very rich, in other words, who parted voluntarily with their property were exempted.

Even more interesting was the fact that the S.S. Intelligence service had discovered that nearly all members of the ruling clique in Croatia, from the head of government to the leader of the Ustashe, were married to Jewish women. The fifteen hundred survivors among the Jews in this area - five per cent, according to a Yugoslav government report - were clearly all members of this highly assimilated, and extraordinarily rich, Jewish group.

And since the percentage of assimilated Jews among the masses in the East has often been estimated at about five per cent, it is tempting to conclude that assimilation in the East, when it was at all possible, offered a much better chance for survival than it did in the rest of Europe.

"There was very little real ideological anti-Semitism in Croatian history. In fact, one of the key founders of the Ustasha Movement, Josip Frank, the successor to Starcevic in The Party of Rights, was an Austro-Hungarian Jew. This is another fact that is suppressed in historical accounts of Croatia and the Ustasha Movement. Josip Frank was a convert to Roman Catholicism but was by birth Jewish. The Ustasha were also known as Frankists or Frankovci because they followed Frank’s virulently racist and anti-Serbian and anti-Orthodox and anti-Semitic ideology that began with Ante Starcevic. Starcevic, the founder of the Ustasha Movement and of modern Croatian nationalism, was actually half-Serbian Orthodox on his mother’s side.

...

"The Ustasha Movement had its origins in Starcevic’s Croatian Party of Rights (Hrvatska Stranka Prava, HSP). The HSP broke up in 1908. Pavelic joined a splinter group lead by Josip Frank. The Frankist group was regarded as the “pure” Party of Rights, the most extremist and right-wing faction."

"Ante Pavelic rose through the ranks of the Party of Right after the incorporation of Croatia into the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes, later to be renamed Yugoslavia. He led the far right-wing of what was already a right-wing party - the "Frankist" faction, so named after Josip Frank, a singularly intolerant man despite his ethnic background as an assimilated Jew.

...

"From the beginning, Pavelic had quite naturally adopted Starcevic and Frank's ideology for his own movement. As with the Italian Fascists, the Ustase was at its origins xenophobic, and author Stella Alexander's description of some articles in the Croatian Catholic press from this time as "unpleasantly anti-Semitic but in a traditional, pre-Hitlerian way" fits the Ustase as well. Ante Pavelic's own wife, Mara Lovrencic, came from a family of assimilated Viennese Jews, and his chief aide in exile, Dido Kvaternik, was related to Josip Frank. "

Was Josip Frank the Michael Savage of his times?


In all fairness, the future Communist dictator Josip Broz Tito had his Jewish contacts as well:

"Broz spent the next five and a half years at Lepoglava, a former monastery and university, converted by the Hapsburgs into a prison for not a few Croatian revolutionaries. The guards largely left him alone, free to commiserate with other prisoners. It was at Lepoglava that he met Mosa Pijade, a Serbian Jew. Mosa had been a Communist only slightly longer than he'd been a prisoner. He tutored Josip Broz in Marxist dialectics. "

From a pro-Croatian site that defends Ustasha against war-crime accusations:


Jews and the racial laws

"Like all areas occupied by the Germans, the Gestapo and SD units of the SS were active in Croatia. The heavy toll of Jews, as well as Croatian Catholics and Moslems, was surely taken. Although the Croatian government posted the racial laws required of them by Germans, Jews were on many occasions assisted by the Croatian people and Croatian laws. One such law redefined the German racial laws in such a way as to allow hundreds of Jews and children of mixed marriages to escape the Nazis. Another law granted full citizenship to those who had excelled in their "service to the Croatian State." (15)

"The reason for this law became apparent when noting the number of Jews who were counted among Croatia's leaders and statesmen. An interesting note in this regard is Slavko Kvaternik. Marsal Kvaternik, married the daughter of Josip (Joshua) Frank, the Jewish successor to Dr. Ante Starcevic as the leader of Pavelic s party. Therefore, not only was the wife of Ante Pavelic, the Chief-of-State, Jewish, but the wife of the vice-president and Chief of the Armed Forces, police forces, and gendarmes was also a Jew. Slavko Kvaternik's son, Col. Eugen Kvaternik, Ustasa commissioner for Public Order and Security was, according to both German and Judaic law, a Jew.

"Other prominent Jews in the Ustasa leadership included the Ustasa Representative to Hungary Alexander Klein, Vlado Singer of the Ustasa Police, and Pavelic's personal physician. In addition to the families of Dr. Pavelic and Marshal Kvaternik, the wife of Minister Zanic was also a Jew. Hundreds of other Jewish leaders and officials were made "honorary Aryans," a practice that the Germans looked upon as quite serious. W. H. Allen, in his book, The Destruction of the European Jews, noted that: (German Police Attache- SS-Obersturmbannfuehrer) "Helm added that the problem of honorary Aryans was admittedly unsolved; some of them were still holding office." Helm remarked that quite a few Croat leaders had strong family ties with Jews and that "some cabinet members had Jewish wives."(16)

http://www.churchinhistory.org/pages...oatia(n)-3.htm

"In 1941 the NDH leadership, under German domination, promulgated Nazi-type racial laws. But a picture of the Ustasha, including Pavelic, being personally anti-Jewish in the Nazi sense should not be accepted uncritically. Many facts challenge this picture:

i. The Ustasha were often known as 'Francovi' or 'Frankists' due to the dominance in their political evolution of Dr. Isaiah Frank, a Jew. He became leader of The Party of Right (Law) in 1896, following the death of Starcevic. Dr. Frank became a Catholic, taking the baptismal name of Josip ((EJ 16:917)). Frank was greatly admired and honoured by the Ustasha. Yet, if he had been alive in 1941, the racial laws would have driven him from his profession as a lawyer and ordered him to wear a yellow band.

ii. A Jewish lawyer, Hinko Hinkovic, was amongst the ideological and political leaders of Croatian nationalism ((EJ 16: 917)) and Vlado Singer, a Jewish intellectual, worked for Pavelic's election to parliament in 1927 ((MTA 125)).

iii. The Ustasha was not greatly interested in the Jews prior to the outbreak of the war ((SSJ 19: 22)). Their hatred was centred on the Serbs.

iv. Pavelic (as Chief of State) and Milovan Zanic (as President of the Legislative Committee) jointly signed the 1941 decrees concerning Jewish and Serbian property ((RL 606-627)). Yet both had Jewish wives ((MR 69)). According to Nazi ideology, the lives of these wives and their 'mischling' children were under threat.

v. Slavko Kvaternik who proclaimed Croatian independence on 10th April 1941, and became Commander of the Armed Forces and Pavelic's deputy, also had a Jewish wife ((IO 21-22)).

vi. Eugen (Dido) Kvaternik was appointed Director of Public Security. Being the son of Slavko he was therefore half Jewish.

...

xiv. The anti-Jewish laws promulgated by the NDH were implemented in the German zone only, not in the Italian ((RH 456)).

xv. It was easier for the Jews to survive in Croatia as compared with Serbia, because of the Italian zone. Also, the establishment of an 'independent' Croatia, not under direct German military administration, gave many the time to escape to Italy or into the mountains.

xvi. Jews were still holding official positions in Croatia, including senior ones within the Ustasha command, as late as 1944 ((RH 457)).

In this 1995 interview, an editor of neo-Ustashe newspaper* confirms the claims made on this thread:

* "Dr. Srecko Psenicnik, a former Ustashe official and Dr. Ante Pavelic's son-in-law, married to his younger daughter, Marija-Seka."

...

Will you, as a direct heir to Dr. Ante Pavelic and the president of the HOP, apologize to the Jews in the first homeland issue of "NDH" for everything they went through in NDH?

I think that the Jews fared better in Croatia than in any other European state which was engulfed in the war. Mr. [Simon] Wiesenthal [a "Nazi hunter"] also knows that although he doesn't want to admit it.

There were several Jews in the Croatian government, Poglavnik's wife was of the Jewish origin, as well as the wife of Slavko Kvaternik."

Moreover, the phenomenon of Jewish involvement in extreme Croatian nationalism does not seem to be completely over even today:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/794529/posts

"Holocaust exhibit a breakthrough as Croatia addresses wartime past"

(excerpt)

"The exhibit sparked a small demonstration led by Mladen Schwartz, a Croatian nationalist born to Jewish parents. The motto of the gathering was “Jews out of Croatia.”

Indeed, Mr Mladen Schwartz was actually mentioned in the Psenicnik interview above:

"Although I think that Mladen Schwartz is capable and intelligent, I think that his ideas depart from those of Ante Starcevic [founder of Pravasi in 19th century and "the father of the nation"]."


The Jewish Tribal Review has also heard about him:

"Even recently, in Croatia, "in July 1997, Mladen Schwartz, an individual of Jewish origin and an ultra-nationalist agitator, promoted his book 'Protocols, Jews and Adolf Hitler' in Zagreb's main square. In the book Schwartz poses such questions as 'Why should the Croatian state be in the service of Judeo-lobbyists?'" [INSTITUTE OF JEWISH POLICY RESEARCH, 2001]"

http://www.croatianhistory.net/etf/jews.html


Eugen Kvaternik, Jew who later converted to christianity and one of the creators of the ideology which will be the basis for ustasha movement.


Josip Jozua Frank, another Jew and another founding father (beside Kvaternik) for the ideology, which will be the basis of ustasha movement.


Ivo Korsky (1918-2004), Jewish politician who beside Pavelich is one of the founders of the ustasha ideology.


Vlado Singer
Another Jew from the ustasha leadership.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlado_Singer


Eugen Dido Kvaternik
Another Jew from the ustasha leadership

Other Jews in the high functions of ustasha movement:
-Andrija Betlehem
-Oto Krezimir (chief of the ustasha secret police)
-David Karlovic (member of the ustasha parliament)
-Stipe Mosner
-Mirko Breuer
-Zdenko Vinski https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zdenko_Vinski

Jews in the leadership of the ustasha armed forces:
-Nikola Stajnfel (admiral of the ustasha armed forces)
-Ladislav Aleman (general)
-Rikard Kubin (admiral of the ustasha navy)
-Edgar Angeli (counter admiral of the ustasha navy)
-Julije Fric (general)
-Milan Praunsperger (general)
-Milan Mizler (general)
-Ivo Snur (general)
-Dragutin Helbis (colonel)
-Julio Res (colonel)
-Emanual Balei (colonel)
-Zinko Alabanda (colonel)
-Oton Cus (colonel)
-Ivan Sarnbek (colonel)
-Josip Solc (colonel)
-Rudolf Vaner (colonel)
-Juraj-Djuro Iser (colonel)
-Jozef-Josip Metzger (colonel)
-Julio Sas (colonel)
-Mirko Zgaga (colonel)
-Bozidar Zorn (colonel)
-Kvintijan Tartaglija (colonel)
-Josip Gamberger (lieutenant colonel)
-Dragutin Rubler (lieutenant colonel)
-Ante Altarac (second lieutenant)
-Bruno Dijamantstajn
-Herman Spiler
-Vladimir Bornemisa
-Oskar Kirsbaum
-Rudolf Kraus-Tudic
-Julio Simovic

The main printing house for ustasha media was a Shulhof Printinghouse in Zagreb of the Jewish Shulhof family.

According to many witnesses the Germans were those who forced the cleanse of the Jews in Independent State of Croatia, however the ustasha movement was not helpful in that and they tried to pretend that they are collaborating by cleansing some non-important Jews from the middle-class. But the Jews in the ustasha leadership stayed untouched.

An alarmingly high number of main ustashas were either Jews and/or had Jewish wives. And that is something that present day ustasha supporters try to hide by all means. In theory ustasha movement pretended (for diplomatic purposes with Third Reich) that they are anti-semitic, however in practice they were not. And they where also very pro-Islamic. Their one and only enemy were Serbians.

Yugoslavia was just a para-state on the territory of occupied Serbia.
As about a synagogue. What this prooves exactly? Even Hitler's Germany had some synagogues left, does it mean that they were "Jew-lovers"?

Serbia was actually declared by Third Reich as the first Judenfrei (Jew-free) nation.


No. My emotions are totally controlled and I make my decisions and conclusion purely on evidences and logic. No emotions involved. If I call them Kikes then I'm convinced that they are Kikes. Making decisions-conclusions based on love and hate is for the weak minded.

Great majority of the Bolshevik's leadership were actually Jews and there are tons and tons of evidences for that.
David Duke explains it the best in a nutshell.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrieUdYe_e8

Also, Putin himself tells this right into the eyes of Kikes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6p1zxKnDeM

That synagouge was built by your king installed by Brit Zionists whome majority of your people supported despite his stupid policy against Macedonians and other people inside without even criticizing his policy from 1918-34 which resulted in his assassination and eventual fall of Yugoslavia , to blame someone else for every thing it idiotic as it gets. If I am not mistaken his killers were also not Croatian but Bulgarian and Macedonian Chernozemsky and Mihailov , guess they did not like him that much.

P.S Hitler did not build Jewish temples , he destroyed most of them , the same happening in NDH and other parts of Reich. In addition there were atleast 110 000 serving in Hitler's army and another 40 000 in Mussolini Corps why not mention that as well , cause it is a fact.

Also by your weird logic everyone Putin does is good , explain how the Euroasian policy is doing any good , many Russians are killed by mongrels from Asia who are ignored of any crime. Remember that baby beheading in Moscow.

[Serbian]

Can you guys open another thread to deal with Serb Croat issues. This one is about the scum on SF Russia.

You can't really make this shit up. Now Havel is praised too

Poison

Looks like Vaclav Havel was a wise man who knew how to ensure peace in Balkans and agreed with #NATOIsCool. History has already proven him 100% right on that point, as a lasting peace was indeed established. Hopefully Czechs will keep that legacy of wisdom alive. Poles should become their role model on this :].

[Dominus]

Originally Posted by BRMC

That synagouge was built by your king installed by Brit Zionists whome majority of your people supported despite his stupid policy against Macedonians and other people inside without even criticizing his policy from 1918-34 which resulted in his assassination and eventual fall of Yugoslavia , to blame someone else for every thing it idiotic as it gets. If I am not mistaken his killers were also not Croatian but Bulgarian and Macedonian Chernozemsky and Mihailov , guess they did not like him that much.

P.S Hitler did not build Jewish temples , he destroyed most of them , the same happening in NDH and other parts of Reich. In addition there were atleast 110 000 serving in Hitler's army and another 40 000 in Mussolini Corps why not mention that as well , cause it is a fact.

Also by your weird logic everyone Putin does is good , explain how the Euroasian policy is doing any good , many Russians are killed by mongrels from Asia who are ignored of any crime. Remember that baby beheading in Moscow.

I just showed you quite some facts and you answered me with what? With philosophy and empty words? Poison is that you?
Oткуда ты?

[BRMC]

Originally Posted by Dominus

I just showed you quite some facts and you answered me with what? With philosophy and empty words? Poison is that you?
Oткуда ты?

Well what do you think of Tito , he fought jewstashas , is he good guy then also did he have any Jews in his ranks ??? Cause I heard a theory of his twin brother. Care to enlighten me , if not , then who are only ones good from Balkan era of WWII since you hate Draza too when you once mentioned. Milan Nedic and others ???? Also some Serbians mentioned Draza being leader of London sponsored chetniks and not true chetniks.

[BRMC]

Originally Posted by dominus

oткуда ты?

Я из Ростова-на-Дону

[Dominus]

Originally Posted by BRMC

Well what do you think of Tito , he fought jewstashas , is he good guy then also did he have any Jews in his ranks ??? Cause I heard a theory of his twin brother. Care to enlighten me , if not , then who are only ones good from Balkan era of WWII since you hate Draza too when you once mentioned. Milan Nedic and others ???? Also some Serbians mentioned Draza being leader of London sponsored chetniks and not true chetniks.

Tito himself was most probably a Jew. There is no real evidence for that but many very serious people claim that he was actually a Polish Jew. Also what is sure that officially he was a Croatian. He was also a huge anti-Serb. Most of Tito's communist crimes were against Serbian people and Serbian land. Tito killed as many Serbs as Pavelic, or maybe even more. And there are also numerous evidences that Tito's partisans and Pavelic's ustashas cooperated many times against Serbian Chetniks during WWII.
As who was the "good guy". Milan Nedic was one of the greatest heroes for the Serbian people in WWII. He saved hundreds of thousands of Serbs, among them he saved my family too. Dimitrije Ljotic was also a great man, Kosta Pecanac, etc.

[Fico]

Broz (Tito) grave is in Belgrade so he rule in Yugoslavia not with capital town in Croatia than in Serbia. Titos partisans cooperated with Draza Chetniks and communists including serbian national minority who have now power in Croatia celebrated every year his rebelion against Croatia in place named as Srb.
Titos partisans made to Croats Bleiburg where also Serbs died ie. Nedic Chetnicks probably including Germans,so pro-Hitler forces. It is interesting reading Dominus posts. He turned back in Croatia (his ancestor) in communist Yugoslavia and after Yugoslavia fall,he left Croatia. Croats had violent acvitivity world wide against communist Yugoslavia. Many Serbs according to research mourning about such state 70% Serbs and 30% Croats because Slovenians and Croats who are part of EU live better and they live worse know so they only lived on Sovenians and Croats backs and this is reason why they want Yugoslavia and why their state did not have name Serbia than Yugoslavia after last war. Ofically Tito is Croat but communist in fact he had been Yugoslav nationalist he belived in one state with south
Slavs. Ustasha propaganda movie: "Guard on Drina" on german language who speaking about fight against communists:

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revieved award in Italy. How many movies Serbs had in that time?

Hitler in his speech in operation Barbarossa two times mendioned Croats and all nations just one time,Serbs were not mendioned:

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Here are Russians with general Vaslov who attacked SSSR so Croats were with you in allies against people who destroyed Romanovs:

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